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One of these phones is not like the others, one of these phones just doesn't belong...
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/08/t-mobile-didnt-show-galaxy-s-ii-device-because-of-processor-changes/
So, is anyone else a bit concerned about the rumor that the TMo Galaxy II processor differs from the Sprint/AT&T versions? Aren't kernels build and optimized to a specific processor?
Any of you Vibrant owners with a unique GPS chip ready to plunk down a whole bunch of cash on a brand new phone and wait for Samsung/TMobile to develop and release a special version of Android each time there's a newer version released by the mothership?
...just curious.
I'll buy it...
Then sell it and use the money towards a nexus 3 purchase. Not messing with t mobile-Samsung tag team of rape like this vibrant. The development will be fairly small and most of the Ports of roms probably won't happen because the phone is so different from the international version that normally gets regular updates. Or I might try the next best thing from HTC at least they upgrade their phones even through t mobile
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Nah I'm not worried, maybe it will be 1.5ghz like the original rumors, maybe not the Exynos but a guaranteed dual.core beast. .. and it would meen access to T-Mobile fastest speeds and that's cool..
Honestly people whining about updates are just dumb, when we got froyo many devices didn't have it yet, and many devices now do not have gingerbread .. we may or may not get an "official " release but its not like we don't have functional Gingerbread now and that's something not all devices can say even on XDA ..
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Nah I'm not worried, maybe it will be 1.5ghz like the original rumors, maybe not the Exynos but a guaranteed dual.core beast. .. and it would meen access to T-Mobile fastest speeds and that's cool..
Honestly people whining about updates are just dumb, when we got froyo many devices didn't have it yet, and many devices now do not have gingerbread .. we may or may not get an "official " release but its not like we don't have functional Gingerbread now and that's something not all devices can say even on XDA ..
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True but you forget just how long it's taken for these GB builds to lose most of their bugs. I love my Sensation because it's the same identical phone that's used all around the world so if one of them gets a new OS update it will work flawlessly. If this Hercules is not like the others then I'd bet anything that the dev community will be very thin (even thinner than the vibrant community). Phones these days are only as good as the chefs that cook for them. Just something to think about. Instead of having the same GS2 all around the world every carrier gets a slightly modified version making it a pain in the ass to flash roms between them all.
i will not buy it if it has a qualcomm instead of exynos.
This is interesting!
Kies Air: Samsung’s Kies software has been used in the past to update Samsung phones since before Android, but it got abandoned slightly for the Over The Air promises made with Android. When a device doesn’t get an update in a timely manner, the blame machine gets pointed in every which direction with incredible delays sometimes. By removing the carrier from the equation, Samsung has opted to use their own software solution to update their devices. This could possibly be a move by Samsung towards the update alliance proposed by Google at this year’s IO, but what it will do for sure is remove one less person to blame.
Here's the link to the whole article:
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/what-makes-the-galaxy-s2-worth-it-in-the-us-20110831/
funeralthirst said:
i will not buy it if it has a qualcomm instead of exynos.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4707/usa-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-variants-announced
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Nah I'm not worried, maybe it will be 1.5ghz like the original rumors, maybe not the Exynos but a guaranteed dual.core beast. .. and it would meen access to T-Mobile fastest speeds and that's cool..
Honestly people whining about updates are just dumb, when we got froyo many devices didn't have it yet, and many devices now do not have gingerbread .. we may or may not get an "official " release but its not like we don't have functional Gingerbread now and that's something not all devices can say even on XDA ..
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1) You would rather have a device that has download capable throughput that is higher then you will get in almost every instance from a server you are requesting data from for a fraction of the time you use the device compared a significantly stronger CPU that you will be using every time you use the phone? Add to the throttling that TMobile does and that seems like a huge sacrifice.
2) Rom support aside, the point is the Vibrant was handicapped from the beginning and was never what it could have been. GB Roms are far from perfect in every instance. Yes they are functional, but no where close to what they could have been or would be with source code. There are devices far newer then ours that shipped with Froyo and received GB. The Vibrant was a Flagship device.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4707/usa-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-variants-announced
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no new info, it's still the same speculation.
its not gonna have a snapdragon! it will be qualcom
Coming to its processing power,the Hercules is said to be powered by Qualcomm APQ8060 chip which is a dual-core chip clocked in at 1.5GHZ.Google’s upcoming Nexus 4G also called as Samsung Nexus Prime and iPhone 5 all will be using this same processor.
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its not gonna have a snapdragon! it will be qualcom
Coming to its processing power,the Hercules is said to be powered by Qualcomm APQ8060 chip which is a dual-core chip clocked in at 1.5GHZ.Google’s upcoming Nexus 4G also called as Samsung Nexus Prime and iPhone 5 all will be using this same processor.
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qualcomm makes snapdragon, so even if its not labeled as such, its essentially the same thing...certainly different from exynos and tegra
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its not gonna have a snapdragon! it will be qualcom
Coming to its processing power,the Hercules is said to be powered by Qualcomm APQ8060 chip which is a dual-core chip clocked in at 1.5GHZ.Google’s upcoming Nexus 4G also called as Samsung Nexus Prime and iPhone 5 all will be using this same processor.
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The apq8060 is a snapdragon s3 chip dude. Look at theQualcomm website
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I had hopes for this phone but qualcomm really sucks the phones just feel like a overclocked single core Exynos feels like dual core would have preferred tegra if not Exynos but well see how phone performs
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yep, the instant I saw that this is coming with a snapdragon instead of the exynos is the instant I decided to wait for the Droid Prime.
I prefer the Hummingbird, and I prefer the Exynos. It's not the I dislike the Snapdragon, but I certainly believe the Exynos is superior for my needs than either the Tegra 2 or the Snapdragon.
if we get the other processore its basicly a samsung version of sensation with bigger screen and touch wiz faster internet?
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its not gonna have a snapdragon! it will be qualcom
Coming to its processing power,the Hercules is said to be powered by Qualcomm APQ8060 chip which is a dual-core chip clocked in at 1.5GHZ.Google’s upcoming Nexus 4G also called as Samsung Nexus Prime and iPhone 5 all will be using this same processor.
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It's the same CPU that's in a Touchpad, and it's similar to the one that's in the Sensation. It's still a snapdragon dude.
Get the international version of galaxy s2. You problem will go away. I believe international version works on T-Mobile network too.
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jackhuny said:
Get the international version of galaxy s2. You problem will go away. I believe international version works on T-Mobile network too.
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No, international version works only with ATT 3G.
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if we get the other processore its basicly a samsung version of sensation with bigger screen and touch wiz faster internet?
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bigger and much better screen. But otherwise, yes basically.
Well this snap dragon processor is going to suck. battery wise and long wait no speed boast. i mean 1.2 maybe 1.5 and it wont be to bad. the way i see it is i dont need faster internet when my browser is still slow. only way to speed the browser up is faster cpu and gpu or better optimization. since android is on tons of different setup that leaves us with only one option cpu and gpu need to be better. give me samsung processor thank you
After seeing all the specs on this phone, and some hands on video, I am pretty dissapointed with the wait. There are phones out now that pretty much rival all aspects of the Nexus - except the ICS. In a month or so, ICS will be available to the the other phones. When it is, it will put the Nexus on par with them (or a notch below).
Whats all the hype about ? It seems like it is all around ICS, and a device we cannot yet get our hands on.
Ics. Duh.
I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.
Why ?
Because of the ****ty carrier update system.
Personally Id by an Amaze 4g today if the stupid piece of crap carrier and HTC werent in the way of me getting Android 4.0. As it stands pretty much the only way you get to use it is by getting a GN or waiting 2-3 months for decent roms to come out.
Again. Since Google refuses to mandate min. time frames for carrier/OEM updates this means noone has a clue when they can get a major OS update. Making GN the only choice for months.
The HD screen is the second biggest factor , I havent seen any comparison to a QHD screen so dont know if its as big a deal as Im making it out to be.
The display, the OS, and the fact that it's a Nexus device. Win/Win/Win.
For me it's not having an annoying overlay. Touchwiz and Sense are ok, but I'd much rather have vanilla Android.
randypurcz said:
After seeing all the specs on this phone, and some hands on video, I am pretty dissapointed with the wait. There are phones out now that pretty much rival all aspects of the Nexus - except the ICS. In a month or so, ICS will be available to the the other phones. When it is, it will put the Nexus on par with them (or a notch below).
Whats all the hype about ? It seems like it is all around ICS, and a device we cannot yet get our hands on.
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The Nexus line is not suppose to be "top of the line" spec phones.
But to answer your question, the Galaxy Nexus comes with ICS, that's why everyone wants it.
To put things into perspective. I bought my G2x a few month ago, and it shipped with Froyo, with a promised update to Gingerbread. This was many, many months after Gingerbread was released.
Typically, phones won't see the latest android OS a few month after the OS has been announced. So if you want the latest OS, you need to go with a Nexus device.
1.) ICS
2.) Likely to have a huge developer base
3.) Hardware fairly optimized for software (and according to: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/17/2568348/galaxy-nexus-review , its blazing fast)
4.) 720p HD Screen (again according to the above link and also http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/11/17/galaxy-nexus-review-part-1-hardware-overview-video/ although the screen is pentile, it still is amazing)
5.) Vanilla Android
6.) ???
7.) Profit
Now, I can see why some people might not want to buy this phone because of the following three reasons:
1.) Low-standard GPU - could become obsoleted fairly quickly (really old GPU) and I highly doubt a lot of games in the future could run on this device
2.) Although the hardware is fast now, in a few months from now it may not be as fast in comparison to other devices. (Remember CES 2011 with the introduction of dual core smartphones? From then on, the single core processor phones were essentially obsoleted + it is rumoured that there will be quad core phones later this year - http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/11/15/r...ndroid-4-0-with-a-2-5ghz-quad-core-processor/)
3.) The battery life may not be great with this phone
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Whats all the hype about ? It seems like it is all around ICS, and a device we cannot yet get our hands on.
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that's exactly what it is a Developer reference phone for ICS
that's why you no longer see the state of the art hardware included anymore since Nexus S
I see all your points.
I guess I think Google/Samsung/Verizon, just dragged thier feet too long on getting it to market IMO. I think higher spec phones are just months away, so the only thing cutting edge here is ICS. Just my opinion.
Now, I do have the Nexus on the way, but I am just not going to be sleepless over it. I just sold my Galaxy Note (too big to function as a phone for me, but one hell of an information device), but I will always wonder how it would have performed with ICS versus GB.
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1.) Low-standard GPU - could become obsoleted fairly quickly (really old GPU) and I highly doubt a lot of games in the future could run on this device
2.) Although the hardware is fast now, in a few months from now it may not be as fast in comparison to other devices. (Remember CES 2011 with the introduction of dual core smartphones? From then on, the single core processor phones were essentially obsoleted + it is rumoured that there will be quad core phones later this year - http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/11/15/r...ndroid-4-0-with-a-2-5ghz-quad-core-processor/)
3.) The battery life may not be great with this phone
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hmmm... methinks you didn't give your cons much thought as they all contradict. each other.
oilfighter said:
The Nexus line is not suppose to be "top of the line" spec phones.
But to answer your question, the Galaxy Nexus comes with ICS, that's why everyone wants it.
To put things into perspective. I bought my G2x a few month ago, and it shipped with Froyo, with a promised update to Gingerbread. This was many, many months after Gingerbread was released.
Typically, phones won't see the latest android OS a few month after the OS has been announced. So if you want the latest OS, you need to go with a Nexus device.
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I think the nexus phones are developer phones so are set at being what google expect the average phone to be in the middle ics lifetime. After all theres no point developing on a phone when no other phone comes close to the specs. The only benefit really is it gets the latest android first rather than waiting for manufacturer releases or even later for mobile operator releases.
Personally I'm still undecided and also considering the RAZR or waiting to see what comes out in the next few months. There is no phone which makes me think I must have it at all costs at the moment. SGS2 is meh, HTC XE looks nice but doesn't excite, only RAZR and Nexus I'm considering though I'd consider the rezound if it was available in the uk.
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hmmm... methinks you didn't give your cons much thought as they all contradict. each other.
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How so? I don't believe I did.
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gbroon said:
I think the nexus phones are developer phones so are set at being what google expect the average phone to be in the middle ics lifetime. After all theres no point developing on a phone when no other phone comes close to the specs. The only benefit really is it gets the latest android first rather than waiting for manufacturer releases or even later for mobile operator releases.
Personally I'm still undecided and also considering the RAZR or waiting to see what comes out in the next few months. There is no phone which makes me think I must have it at all costs at the moment. SGS2 is meh, HTC XE looks nice but doesn't excite, only RAZR and Nexus I'm considering though I'd consider the rezound if it was available in the uk.
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I wouldn't go for the RAZR, as many reviews I have seen put it on a bad place compared to the Nexus (E.g. www.theverge.com)
For me it's the screen and ICS ....Why the crappy gpu and only 5meg camera and sub par audio is beyond me.....I don't play many games but the gpu in the s2 woulda been nice..I sold my Vibrant and need a phone now might not wait and just get gs2..The gpu in the nexus is very dissapointing ...Why the newer high end device would be speced lower than the older s2 is just dumb imo.
I did find a store that imports them and is expected the 28th for $749 shipped......The gs2 will cost me $444 local tmo.....Decisions Decisions!
Until the quad cores come out much later in 2012 the galaxy nexus will mostly be top dog. The next batch of devices will all be dual core 1.5ish ghz, some will get some version of 720p screens some will not. We should see that clear through summer until the galaxy hd/3.
That's a pretty good run for a device add to it the google experience and well it should hold its own for two years easily. IMO the only people getting screwed are the people buying the gs2 now.
As long add it's out before the end of January on AT&T (unlikely) I'll buy the galaxy nexus otherwise I'll wait for summer.
Well now it looks like the GS2 has already been ported, so maybe months of wait will be reduced to weeks to get a usable ICS rom on some of the better devices. Cancelled my preorder(Nexus) and am thinking of purchasing another Note !
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For me it's the screen and ICS ....Why the crappy gpu and only 5meg camera and sub par audio is beyond me.....I don't play many games but the gpu in the s2 woulda been nice..I sold my Vibrant and need a phone now might not wait and just get gs2..The gpu in the nexus is very dissapointing ...Why the newer high end device would be speced lower than the older s2 is just dumb imo.
I did find a store that imports them and is expected the 28th for $749 shipped......The gs2 will cost me $444 local tmo.....Decisions Decisions!
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I'd like to refer you to here where they go beyond speculation and actually have the device so aren't pulling things out of thin air like 99% of the people here.
For people who tl;dr:
"Before we received the device, what troubled us was the idea of a last-generation GPU pushing 1280×720 pixels of the Galaxy Nexus’ screen — we can now say that fear is unfounded. We picked up and played a few games of Wind-up Knight and found it performed better in its native resolution than did the Motorola RAZR at 960×540. The RAZR uses the same GPU at a slightly slower speed, but has 40% fewer pixels. Google has done some serious tweaking to the graphics drivers to achieve such amazing results."
Just like how we don't compare ATI and Nvidia cards by their GFLOP's nor triangles per second, we should keep in mind that performance is dependant on both hardware and drivers - and varies with games just as some games naturally play better with Nvidia cards and some perform better with ATI/AMD cards. Drivers make a world of difference. Looks like Google/PowerVR/TI have done their job.
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For me it's the screen and ICS ....Why the crappy gpu and only 5meg camera and sub par audio is beyond me.....I don't play many games but the gpu in the s2 woulda been nice..I sold my Vibrant and need a phone now might not wait and just get gs2..The gpu in the nexus is very dissapointing ...Why the newer high end device would be speced lower than the older s2 is just dumb imo.
I did find a store that imports them and is expected the 28th for $749 shipped......The gs2 will cost me $444 local tmo.....Decisions Decisions!
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Once again, MP means jack **** EXCEPT picture size. Do your research before you comment. As some comparisons have said its only a little below the iPhone 4s in quality, and guess what? That's not due to MP.
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That review was pretty good.
looking to switch from an epic 4g to either a nexus or droid 4 (both are only $99). Can anyone give input on which you think would be the better of the two and why? The phone is used for calls, a few apps here and there but mainly for email and internet surfing (and tethering from time to time).
I do like having the full slide out keyboard, but it's not something that would kill me if it was missing as I have to use the on screen keyboards for my work iphone... It is handy but not a deciding factor - any info is appreciated!
Nexus all the way! Bad ass screen and ICS!
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If you don't need the hardware keyboard, I don't see how you ever consider the Droid 4 over the Galaxy Nexus. The Nexus absolutely crushes it.
Honestly if you're gonna compare a Moto device to the GN you should be comparing the RAZR MAXX to the Galaxy Nexus.
i don't think there are any other phones with slide out keyboards worth a crap on verizon other than the droid, is there? The samsung stratosphere, but it looked to be old technology.
if anyone can, could you check out the phones listed for verizon on wirefly.com and tell me which one is the best model? i work in the IT field with double bachelor's degrees, but couldn't tell you the first thing about these damn phones other than elementary specs because every time i turn the computer on there are new ones coming out.
The sprint lady said we had until March 13th or 14th iirc to get out of the contract with no termination fee so whatever we decide on, it has to be done before then
selfinfliction said:
i don't think there are any other phones with slide out keyboards worth a crap on verizon other than the droid, is there? The samsung stratosphere, but it looked to be old technology.
if anyone can, could you check out the phones listed for verizon on wirefly.com and tell me which one is the best model? i work in the IT field with double bachelor's degrees, but couldn't tell you the first thing about these damn phones other than elementary specs because every time i turn the computer on there are new ones coming out.
The sprint lady said we had until March 13th or 14th iirc to get out of the contract with no termination fee so whatever we decide on, it has to be done before then
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As I said above, if you don't need the keyboard, the Nexus is the winner all the way. The only reason to get the Droid 4 is the keyboard honestly. Because if you didn't need the keyboard it'd be between the RAZR MAXX and the GN, and even then unless you need the battery, the GN wins again.
Droid 4 has terrible ghosting when it comes to their screen. Check the Androidpolice review of the D4. It has a video demonstrating it.
Galaxy Nexus is a pretty bad ass device. I was coming from an Epic 4G Touch on Sprint and while that phone spec wise is better then the GN, there is just something about this phone that just makes it a winner.
The GN was was to big of a device for my wife so I got her an HTC Rezound. Still a little big for her but definitely better then the GN. The Rezound has a dual core 1.5ghz processor and a 720p screen resolution. Camera is also pretty good on that phone.
This is my first Nexus device and I must say I am liking the pure Android experience.
after some more research, i think we're going to hold off. we were looking at the specs of current phones compared to our epic's from 2010 and there isn't much that has changed other than the addition of dual core cpu's. it would really be a waste for us to get new phones now and be stuck with them for two years when the galaxy s3 and a few other quad core phones with possibly 16mp cameras will be coming out this summer.
having an original ICS phone would be good, but not enough to make us sacrifice getting outdated hardware for it. I was actually really surprised to see the nexus to have such low specs with all of the anxiety they produced in december.
martonikaj said:
If you don't need the hardware keyboard, I don't see how you ever consider the Droid 4 over the Galaxy Nexus. The Nexus absolutely crushes it.
Honestly if you're gonna compare a Moto device to the GN you should be comparing the RAZR MAXX to the Galaxy Nexus.
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Well said.
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after some more research, i think we're going to hold off. we were looking at the specs of current phones compared to our epic's from 2010 and there isn't much that has changed other than the addition of dual core cpu's. it would really be a waste for us to get new phones now and be stuck with them for two years when the galaxy s3 and a few other quad core phones with possibly 16mp cameras will be coming out this summer.
having an original ICS phone would be good, but not enough to make us sacrifice getting outdated hardware for it. I was actually really surprised to see the nexus to have such low specs with all of the anxiety they produced in december.
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While the genex doesn't have the greatest hardware specs, it will have the longest support life. Most phones are lucky to get one software update, the nexus line will have software updates to the latest version of android for quite some time. Plus ICS is optimized for the genex hardware.
By far the best phone I have had, even with the stock rom.
As someone who's used both, the ONLY thing the D4 has is it's physical keyboard. The functionality of the Nexus versus the D4 isn't even in the same league! I switched over from the DROID series to the Nexus just recently and couldn't be any more satisfied.
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after some more research, i think we're going to hold off. we were looking at the specs of current phones compared to our epic's from 2010 and there isn't much that has changed other than the addition of dual core cpu's. it would really be a waste for us to get new phones now and be stuck with them for two years when the galaxy s3 and a few other quad core phones with possibly 16mp cameras will be coming out this summer.
having an original ICS phone would be good, but not enough to make us sacrifice getting outdated hardware for it. I was actually really surprised to see the nexus to have such low specs with all of the anxiety they produced in december.
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Would love to know what you will be able to due with a quad core phone that you cannot do with a dual core phone. How much faster do we really need these processors? These are mobile operating systems that don't even take advantage of dual cores none the less quad cores.
My wife has a Rezound, dual core 1.5ghz processor and an EVO View Tab single core 1.5ghz processor. Do you think her Rezound does anything her tab can't? Do you think one feels faster then the other? I am not even sure they benchmark any differently although I haven't tested them up to each other.
Bottom line, single cores can get the job done plus when quad core phones get released you will start hearing about octo cores or something.
Do you think a webpage will open up quicker with a quad core device? Nope...The only thing it might help with is 3D gaming but no developer is going to limit their games to only quad cores anyway because that would take away from there profits of everyone else who does not own a quad core phone.
axion68 said:
While the genex doesn't have the greatest hardware specs, it will have the longest support life. Most phones are lucky to get one software update, the nexus line will have software updates to the latest version of android for quite some time. Plus ICS is optimized for the genex hardware.
By far the best phone I have had, even with the stock rom.
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i'm sure it is a great phone, but these are some of the same camera specs that were on phones literally from 2010 and if i buy something that already has antiquated hardware this year, then i'll be stuck with it until 2014 and that's just not a good decision on my part.
Coming from a Droid X that has ran everything from Apex to Tranquility. Simply put, the Galaxy Nexus is the best phone on the market because of Ice Cream Sandwich. It is everything people make it out to be. I've only had the phone for about a week, and I will only buy Nexus phones from here on out. I'm running Android 4.0.4 unlocked and rooted. You do not need to change kernels or Rom the phone. ICS is perfect. I might consider overclocking in the future as I've read that the CPU in the Galaxy Nexus was underclocked from factory.
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after some more research, i think we're going to hold off. we were looking at the specs of current phones compared to our epic's from 2010 and there isn't much that has changed other than the addition of dual core cpu's. it would really be a waste for us to get new phones now and be stuck with them for two years when the galaxy s3 and a few other quad core phones with possibly 16mp cameras will be coming out this summer.
having an original ICS phone would be good, but not enough to make us sacrifice getting outdated hardware for it. I was actually really surprised to see the nexus to have such low specs with all of the anxiety they produced in december.
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Laughable, you don't the deserve a great device like the Galaxy Nexus.
Let me give you a few hints too:
1. The Galaxy S 3 doesn't have to be quad core, we have already seen Qualcomm's Krait destroy Tegra 3, quad core is just a gimmick.
Samsung are making dual core Exynos processor which might or might not appear in the Galaxy S 3.
2. The part where you said 16 megapixel camera was very funny.
I highly doubt you would ever print anything that big, not that your printer would be big enough anyway, also there would be no benefit of having that resolution on the phone.
But I guess it's ok if you like big useless numbers?
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[email protected] said:
Would love to know what you will be able to due with a quad core phone that you cannot do with a dual core phone. How much faster do we really need these processors? These are mobile operating systems that don't even take advantage of dual cores none the less quad cores.
My wife has a Rezound, dual core 1.5ghz processor and an EVO View Tab single core 1.5ghz processor. Do you think her Rezound does anything her tab can't? Do you think one feels faster then the other? I am not even sure they benchmark any differently although I haven't tested them up to each other.
Bottom line, single cores can get the job done plus when quad core phones get released you will start hearing about octo cores or something.
Do you think a webpage will open up quicker with a quad core device? Nope...The only thing it might help with is 3D gaming but no developer is going to limit their games to only quad cores anyway because that would take away from there profits of everyone else who does not own a quad core phone.
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Nah, even 3D gaming wouldn't benefit too much from a quad core, only if the game was physics or AI heavy.
At this point waiting for the galaxy 3 would be smart. Especially with the simultaneous release rumors.
dario3040 said:
Laughable, you don't the deserve a great device like the Galaxy Nexus.
Let me give you a few hints too:
1. The Galaxy S 3 doesn't have to be quad core, we have already seen Qualcomm's Krait destroy Tegra 3, quad core is just a gimmick.
Samsung are making dual core Exynos processor which might or might not appear in the Galaxy S 3.
2. The part where you said 16 megapixel camera was very funny.
I highly doubt you would ever print anything that big, not that your printer would be big enough anyway, also there would be no benefit of having that resolution on the phone.
But I guess it's ok if you like big useless numbers?
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Nah, even 3D gaming wouldn't benefit too much from a quad core, only if the game was physics or AI heavy.
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are you 15 years old? I don't "deserve" to have a specific phone? that's such a childish comment, the rest of your post doesn't even deserve an acknowledgement by dissecting it and providing the proper information.
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Would love to know what you will be able to due with a quad core phone that you cannot do with a dual core phone. How much faster do we really need these processors? These are mobile operating systems that don't even take advantage of dual cores none the less quad cores.
My wife has a Rezound, dual core 1.5ghz processor and an EVO View Tab single core 1.5ghz processor. Do you think her Rezound does anything her tab can't? Do you think one feels faster then the other? I am not even sure they benchmark any differently although I haven't tested them up to each other.
Bottom line, single cores can get the job done plus when quad core phones get released you will start hearing about octo cores or something.
Do you think a webpage will open up quicker with a quad core device? Nope...The only thing it might help with is 3D gaming but no developer is going to limit their games to only quad cores anyway because that would take away from there profits of everyone else who does not own a quad core phone.
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oh i agree that phones now do a decent job, heck i'm still happy with my epic 4g that's nearly 2 years old. but the thing is, why would i pay the same price for antiquated equipment now (the nexus) when I know for a fact that much better stuff is coming out in a few months? That's like going to a car lot and buying a 2009 camaro for $45,000 when you can wait a few months and buy a 2010 corvette for $45,000. see what i mean? it just doesn't make good sense when i've got a phone that already works for what i need it to do.
but there is something that no one is considering here, what everyone keeps comparing these quad core phones to is dual core and single core processors running SINGLE THREAD applications, because there are not that many multi-threaded apps out for phones yet. I'm going to be stuck with whatever I get for 2 years out, and will guarantee that by the end of this year as apps get more complex and programmers get deeper into their thing, they will start using multi threads on most stuff, especially the droid OS itself.
i'm not sure how old you are(you may have seen this develop as well), but i've been working in the computer industry for over 13 years now and this is the identical issue as what happened when multi-core cpu's came out for computers. people were screaming bloody murder and how senseless multiple cores were on a computer and now i don't even think the cheapest cpu's are single core. I couldn't tell you how many times that people were hating on the multi-core cpu's talking about how their single core p4's were the best. As soon as they started programming multi-thread applications, those guys put their heads back in the ostrich holes because they knew they were wrong
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oh i agree that phones now do a decent job, heck i'm still happy with my epic 4g that's nearly 2 years old. but the thing is, why would i pay the same price for antiquated equipment now (the nexus) when I know for a fact that much better stuff is coming out in a few months? That's like going to a car lot and buying a 2009 camaro for $45,000 when you can wait a few months and buy a 2010 corvette for $45,000. see what i mean? it just doesn't make good sense when i've got a phone that already works for what i need it to do.
but there is something that no one is considering here, what everyone keeps comparing these quad core phones to is dual core and single core processors running SINGLE THREAD applications, because there are not that many multi-threaded apps out for phones yet. I'm going to be stuck with whatever I get for 2 years out, and will guarantee that by the end of this year as apps get more complex and programmers get deeper into their thing, they will start using multi threads on most stuff, especially the droid OS itself.
i'm not sure how old you are(you may have seen this develop as well), but i've been working in the computer industry for over 13 years now and this is the identical issue as what happened when multi-core cpu's came out for computers. people were screaming bloody murder and how senseless multiple cores were on a computer and now i don't even think the cheapest cpu's are single core. I couldn't tell you how many times that people were hating on the multi-core cpu's talking about how their single core p4's were the best. As soon as they started programming multi-thread applications, those guys put their heads back in the ostrich holes because they knew they were wrong
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Mr been in the industry for 13 years... I been in it for like 4 years and even I know that about the only multithreaded mainstream programs used in desktops are computer games and even then its rare
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Mr been in the industry for 13 years... I been in it for like 4 years and even I know that about the only multithreaded mainstream programs used in desktops are computer games and even then its rare
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there are plenty of database applications that utilize multi-threads, we actually have a couple of GIS mapping programs and plugins that use 16 cores at a time. ( you'd be surprised how processing intensive 500-1000mb maps with 50 or 75 layers is ) I can't get into the specifics of it, but there are hundreds if not thousands of every day applications that take advantage of simultaneous multithreading. what i manage is just a microscopic amount of what is available.
You'll have to forgive me because i'm not up on phones too much but i would say i'm fairly decent with computers, after all i do have an associates in network systems, a bachelors in information systems security, and am finishing up with my masters of information systems in June. Just these damn phones change so much and i don't have time to keep up with anything that doesn't have to do with school or work.
I really didn't mean to offend anyone about their nexus if this is where the thread is going, just because i don't think it's a good deal for me, doesn't mean it's not a good deal for someone else. heck, i've really been super happy with my epic since i switched it over to ICS, that makes a world of difference even on an old phone so i'm sure it runs great on the nexus as well.
How long until you believe this phone becomes obsolete? I hear a lot of people (and read them, too) say that this is probably the first phone they'd go the full 2 years with...however, being realistic, when was the last time you made it two years with the same device? I haven't gone two years with the same device since the original Razr was in style.
I know, I know, at 2gb ram, dual core, etc, this phone is far from becoming obsolete, so I'll rephrase that question for you: What feature on a future phone would make you make the switch from your Galaxy S3? Or are you confident enough that there will be no other phone in the next two years that can replace it?
When they release phones with 16 core Opterons in them
In the wise words of amd..:
MOAR CORES!!!!!
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My old s1 still works great
And really do we need to be able to play skyrim on a phone
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I've actually been impressed with mobile gaming...never was big on it but I have played 3D Spiderman, GTA 3, Fifa12, PES 2011 and 2012, NBA Jam, etc...been a great experience recently
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My old s1 still works great
And really do we need to be able to play skyrim on a phone
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Yes
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I don't know that I have a feature that I would jump ship for at this time ... but I wonder if, in 2 years, the size and use of applications will make even 2 gb of ram obsolete?
I'm in the camp that I can see keeping this phone throughout contract, but it is hard to tell if, in 1.5 to 2 years time, 2 GB of ram is actually not enough to keep up with programs/OS requirements. I don't necessarily think so, but remember back when 256MB of ram was a lot? That wasn't TOO long ago.
But, since I don't use my phone for intense gaming, I see this phone in my future for a long while - at least until the sandwich-making feature phone is announced.
I don't think it being obsolete would be the problem. I'll just want something newer at some point before two years. My Evo 3D could have easily lasted another year for my uses, but I still got a GS3.
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I don't think it being obsolete would be the problem. I'll just want something newer at some point before two years. My Evo 3D could have easily lasted another year for my uses, but I still got a GS3.
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You and I think alike. Also had Evo 3D, Razr, GNex, but still had to have the S3 and more than likely getting the Note 2 when it comes out
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Ill keep mine the whole 2 years (well 20 months or whatever it is) just like I have done with every other phone. While there may be something new and better out if you are always waiting for that you will never have a phone. That and the cost to buy phones off contract now are more than I want to spend.
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Ill keep mine the whole 2 years (well 20 months or whatever it is) just like I have done with every other phone. While there may be something new and better out if you are always waiting for that you will never have a phone. That and the cost to buy phones off contract now are more than I want to spend.
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That's why you make a friend who works for AT&T and gets all the new phones free who can turn around and sell em to u for 100-150...lol
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It will become obsolete sometime between Q4 2012 & Q2 2013. Qualcomm are already prepping the S4 QUAD for tablets this year and its performace is roughly x2 the Dual S4, and far exceeds the Exynos 4212+Tegra 3 if I read correctly. Technically the GPU in all Android phones are obsolete or slow in comparison to Apple's latest offerings(Imaginations is like a high-end Nvidia in the mobile-space, Adreno mid, and Tegra mid-high).
For some reason I feel someone is gonna make a 1080P phone, which is useless btw--just had to throw that out there for those that were unaware. Cores cores and more cores will probably be one of the more popular acts we see though, and 2GB-4GB Ram will be standard. Unfortunately I wish these companies would realize they need to relax b/c optimizations are practically nonexistent with Stock Android phones. I hate to constantly reference Apple & WP7/8, though it's a must. When i hear people telling me stuff like the HOAX or S3, or whatever dual/quad lags--lag. Seriously, these phones are using CPUs that theoretically should outperform the 4S/iPd3, but that's normally not the case. We are getting to a point where everyone is rushing to get out the latest and greatest, however all the hardware don't mean **** when the software can't match it.
P.S. Sorry about going off on a rant.
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We are getting to a point where everyone is rushing to get out the latest and greatest, however all the hardware don't mean **** when the software can't match it.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again here, I love Android OS but in terms of refinement iOS is better put together overall (speed, battery life, overall smoothness). Thats just my opinion.
and yes, quad core, 2GB RAM-LTE device is already out there in Korea... it wont be long until our dual core, 2GB RAM, LTE gets outdone hardware-wise down here
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I have been so disappointed with the radio in my t-mobile s3 because I cannot stream music without it cutting out constantly. I am actually going to demand a microsim adapter from them and return to my vibrant. If my data sucks so bad that I cannot consistently stream music in the car, what's the point of owning this without calling it just a pda.
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I have been so disappointed with the radio in my t-mobile s3 because I cannot stream music without it cutting out constantly. I am actually going to demand a microsim adapter from them and return to my vibrant. If my data sucks so bad that I cannot consistently stream music in the car, what's the point of owning this without calling it just a pda.
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What are u streaming? And what coverage do you have? 3G? H+?
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I've said it before and I'll say it again here, I love Android OS but in terms of refinement iOS is better put together overall (speed, battery life, overall smoothness). Thats just my opinion.
and yes, quad core, 2GB RAM-LTE device is already out there in Korea... it wont be long until our dual core, 2GB RAM, LTE gets outdone hardware-wise down here
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And it only took around 2 months for it to become obsolete then, not ideal in the world I would prefer, but I suppose it can't be helped. This phone could had been so much more if Samsung stuck with the SGX instead of adopting the Mali-400. It would had been so cool to have the CPU part of the S4 combined with a dual/quad SGX543/544 like the ipad/iphones. Those GPUs outperform even the silly Tegra 3 & its fancy 16 cores(which are just 16 weak cores throw together ). I don't know what Sammy or Qualcomm were thinking about. Everyone is just dropping the ball all over the place these days.
I'm not really sure, mainly because I'm not entirely vested in this phone as it is, so it probably wouldn't take much, provided I could sell this one and cover the majority cost of a replacement phone.
I think something with sufficient horsepower to run some things which even this phone can't, but that remains to be seen. One thing that could almost definitely sell me is a flagship phone like this one that has a hardware keyboard. The problem is that I'm in the minority, so a flagship Galaxy S or Nexus phone is highly unlikely to have one, and I care ever so slightly more about the fact that flagship phones have thriving development communities, whereas one-off phones, which I may like more, won't get the same kind of attention from either developers or manufacturers.
I'll keep my phone until my contract is up. I always have (except for my BB Storm which I *****ed about until they upgraded me). My OG Droid Inc lasted for 2 years until I got this S3 and it was still in like new condition. I was tired of the small screen, but the devs here kept the phone fresh.
Hell, part of me misses my Inc. (Love this phone, though.)
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Technically the GPU in all Android phones are obsolete or slow in comparison to Apple's latest offerings.
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Do you mean the dual core 800MHz in the 4S? That is Apple's current offering.
Since the definition of obsolete is...
1. out of use or practice; not current
2. out of date; unfashionable or outmoded
An old Startac is obsolete because it It can no longer be used. My old Motorola RAZR is not obsolete because I can still use it
for it's intended purpose.
I would say the phone will not be obsolete for many years to come. How can a device me considered obsolete if there is a phone
with a faster CPU or more memory? The phone can still be used for it's intended purpose.
My S3 can not do anything my Vibrant couldn't (with the same mechanicals), it only does it better.
Ian
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Do you mean the dual core 800MHz in the 4S? That is Apple's current offering.
Since the definition of obsolete is...
1. out of use or practice; not current
2. out of date; unfashionable or outmoded
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Actually when I said latest offering I was referencing the iPad 3. And actually I stated the GPU in Android devices are all obsolete(as in not current in terms of power). The Legendary SGX543 MP4 in the iPad 3 mops the floor of every single Android device to ever touch this world, even the soon to be made Adreno 320 in the new S4 QUAD(snapdragon) fails to match the creature. Even the 4S' SGX543 MP2 is barely phased by the Mali 400, Adreno 225, and Tegra 3's laughable 16 core toy. I have no doubt that the S3's CPU is superior at all.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6022/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-review-att-and-tmobile-usa-variants/4
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/...agon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6054/google-nexus-7-mini-review
^Just look there, every time Apple makes everyone look like a joke. As much as I dislike Apple's methods and price gouging what I say it true.
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It will become obsolete sometime between Q4 2012 & Q2 2013. Qualcomm are already prepping the S4 QUAD for tablets this year and its performace is roughly x2 the Dual S4, and far exceeds the Exynos 4212+Tegra 3 if I read correctly. Technically the GPU in all Android phones are obsolete or slow in comparison to Apple's latest offerings(Imaginations is like a high-end Nvidia in the mobile-space, Adreno mid, and Tegra mid-high).
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Obsolete (by my definition) doesn't mean that a newer/better product exists. Every device would be a obsolete within a few months if that were the case. To me obsolescence means that it either doesn't perform modern tasks acceptably or a new product feature is so desirable that you simply don't want your old device anymore.
We all know the S3 will handle Jelly Bean beautifully. I'm pretty confident it will be good for Key Lime Pie as well. I got close to 2 years from my OG Epic (Galaxy S1) and only upgraded short of 2 years because I could. With the strong CM/AOKP support this phone has, I'm fully confident I'll have this phone the full 2 years. Unless I break it, heh.
Are we getting Android M 6.0?
i hope so , but for now im hoping and dreaming for 5.1.1 tbh where a lot of bugs are fixed and performance is much smoother and better
I hope too, but my device can dream on this version only. I think it will be cool os but as always this one will be installed first of all on Nexus smartphones.
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are we getting it?
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are we getting it?
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Where should we know? My best guess is yeah, probably.
Samsung has so much device fragmentation I highly doubt it - even if they consider this their flagship tablet they've already announced a new version of it. Plus, there's been so many deep discounts on the device lately it seems thought they move on firly quickly to the next model. I feel like Samsung doesn't have the support I've grown used to with Nexus devices :/
Plus, not being a true octa-core (I.e. it's a big.little implementation of one fast quad paired with a slower battery-friendly quad core) it doesn't seem like the tablet I thought it would be. It's still pretty awesome and I don't plan on replacing it for several years but I doubt it'll get M.
I just hope someone steps up to be an official maintainer for some of the devices with, say, cyanogenmod, so we start getting some official nightlies.
Wow, are we seriously fretting already about the next major Android update that probably won't even be available on Nexus devices before Christmas? Does anyone at XDA spend more than a few hours enjoying the device they have before worrying that they're being ignored by the manufacturer (or carrier, etc.)?
I'm starting to hate Android updates, always someone complaining about things.
Who knows what goes inside the head of Samsung engineers and managers? My personal view is that as soon as Tab S is succeeded by its 2015 replacement, which should be this summer, the 2014 Tab S won't be getting any new updates from Samsung. I personally wait for Cyanogenmod to start producing the nightlies for the T800, just like they do for T700. That would be the best upgrade path.
Samsumg always provide at least 2 years of updates in my experience. If the Tab S2 gets it, which is more than likely, the Tab S will too.
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Samsung has so much device fragmentation I highly doubt it - even if they consider this their flagship tablet they've already announced a new version of it. Plus, there's been so many deep discounts on the device lately it seems thought they move on firly quickly to the next model. I feel like Samsung doesn't have the support I've grown used to with Nexus devices :/
Plus, not being a true octa-core (I.e. it's a big.little implementation of one fast quad paired with a slower battery-friendly quad core) it doesn't seem like the tablet I thought it would be. It's still pretty awesome and I don't plan on replacing it for several years but I doubt it'll get M.
I just hope someone steps up to be an official maintainer for some of the devices with, say, cyanogenmod, so we start getting some official nightlies.
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I am with you on that, totally. Samsung is pushing their Tizen OS and it's just a matter of time before it become the official OS, especially for all their new devices. ANDROIDPIT has a good write up on M, most of the features we always wanted from the launch of ICS, but it's great to see Google developers paying attention, as we saw improvements to the features in each OS release after ICS, in particularly the security/permissions of applications. Kudos to Google! I'm not sure about Samsung, they've been acting like Apple lately (if you know what I mean).
I'm all for device longevity but so what if we don't get M? Nobody promised us M when we bought this tablet, which is great the way it is as far as tablets on Kitkat/Lollipop go.
I dont think our tab s can handle android M
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I dont think our tab s can handle android M
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What is that comment based on?
I also have a Nexus 10 running Lollipop 5.1.1 and it runs better than the original v4.4.x it came with. The only issue I can think of is the size of the system partition and that could be addressed considering the amount of included bloatware. Besides my Nexus 5 is getting Android M and that cannot be that much different in power than a Tab S.
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