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Hi
Just downloaded the navigon 30 day trial and I noticed it requires network access to run. I`m going away in a few weeks time to Italy so dont want to use any network data. Any ideas if the full version requires network connection too?
thanks
I was under the impression that it only needs network access to download the maps to your SD card.
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Dave
Nope, if you disable all network connections it doesnt run, complaining of no network. Once it finds a network then it comes up with the screen to upgrade,trial,etc
Does it work with just WiFi or does it need cellular data connection?
Maybe trial version needs network to decide how long it has been installed.
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paulruk said:
Hi
Just downloaded the navigon 30 day trial and I noticed it requires network access to run. I`m going away in a few weeks time to Italy so dont want to use any network data. Any ideas if the full version requires network connection too?
thanks
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As a user of the full version I can confirm that it is only the trial version that requires a network connection. The full version doesn't.
martuk said:
Does it work with just WiFi or does it need cellular data connection?
Maybe trial version needs network to decide how long it has been installed.
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Yes, the trial does work with a WiFi connection. As you surmise it is to check that you have not gone beyond the 30 day limit, and also to give you the options to upgrade to the full version.
I'd be interested to know if this is any good? Dont even wanna attempt the trial if it was as bad as the iphone version?
ok thanks for clearing that up, have to test it out before going away and then purchase if its any good.
What was so bad about the iphone version btw?
It sucked, I had virtually all the main gps navigation aids on my 3gs, and I used then with the tom tom gps cradle (enhancer). The problem with nearly all of them was rerouting. This was my main gripe. Lets say you take a wrong turn, by mistake. This is easy with navigon as I found its graphics were the worst in as much as road names were tiny and the colors were pooh. Navigon and copilot would somehow assume that you know where your going and recalculate a completely different route. Now if that means a 20 mile additional journey, who cares. It showed you a way, you didn't take it, so have this 20 mile detour! And you would be none the wiser. Tom tom would get you to do a uturn at the first available point, if it was still the quickest route and straight away you know you've gone wrong.Its routes were generally poor regardless of setting. As were the rest to be fair. But tom tom was the best, followed I believe by sygic, copilot had a great ui, probably the best in fact, but it often failed to find signal, the same as navigon. And that was with the enhanced gps. Copilot took over a month to reply to my email. What i really like about the desire maps is the road in front is accurate, the severity of bends is correct, a little laggy, but the maps are spot on. I didn't see this on navigon, they straighten the roads out, some more than others to save space which can add to confusion as to where you are. Navigon I also found laggy, roughly the same as google navigation.
Dunbad said:
It sucked, I had virtually all the main gps navigation aids on my 3gs, and I used then with the tom tom gps cradle (enhancer). The problem with nearly all of them was rerouting. This was my main gripe. Lets say you take a wrong turn, by mistake. This is easy with navigon as I found its graphics were the worst in as much as road names were tiny and the colors were pooh. Navigon and copilot would somehow assume that you know where your going and recalculate a completely different route. Now if that means a 20 mile additional journey, who cares. It showed you a way, you didn't take it, so have this 20 mile detour! And you would be none the wiser. Tom tom would get you to do a uturn at the first available point, if it was still the quickest route and straight away you know you've gone wrong.Its routes were generally poor regardless of setting. As were the rest to be fair. But tom tom was the best, followed I believe by sygic, copilot had a great ui, probably the best in fact, but it often failed to find signal, the same as navigon. And that was with the enhanced gps. Copilot took over a month to reply to my email. What i really like about the desire maps is the road in front is accurate, the severity of bends is correct, a little laggy, but the maps are spot on. I didn't see this on navigon, they straighten the roads out, some more than others to save space which can add to confusion as to where you are. Navigon I also found laggy, roughly the same as google navigation.
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Thanks. Just tried Navigon today and yeah its a fast but hideous looking interface. Is it me or is there no way of removing all the POI info. It seems really lacking in settings, it also didnt re-route very quickly.
I`ve tried co-pilot, and I liked its features but like you say can take you on some wild detours. Instead of using motorways that were quicker but longer it would try and use A roads that were shorter, but slower. Even adjusting the settings to say not too, it just ignored it. So you really had to check your route before leaving.
I`d like to try sygic but there doesnt seem to be a trial, and at £50 / 59euros i`d rather not have to buy it and find out its not what I want.
I really wish tomtom would bring out an android app.
Yeah X2 on the tom tom. It wasnt great, but it was the best by some way. I could rely on it anyway. If I was you and had co pilot, id stick with it. try navigon and see what you think. It maybe better on android. Near in mind though, when you buy, those roads might straighten out! Would not surprise me! if you dont wanna buy a standalone, copilot once the route is checked with a map,??? and you've gone through the ball ache that is entering the destination on co pilot or navigon, then your good to go. It really is nice to follow. (providing come the day of the races it loads! Lastly, the tome it takes to recalculate the route, I thought was reasonable on all of them. But its HOW it re routes thats vital. And most get it wrong! That all said things might be different on android. As for me, im not even bothering till tom tom comes out.
Well after using Navigon trial for a while at both home and abroad I have decided to purchase , having tried all the other navigation software. Its slightly lacking in features compared to co pilot but what it does do well is navigation. Its fast, good display, accurate and comprehensive speech and the poi`s are pretty good. Probably used it for 300 miles without a hitch.
Thanks for the help
Hi,
I've two questions.
1. Which navigation sofware can I use offline with phone 7 (alternative to the t-mobile dongle).
2. Which smartphoneholder is good for using in Car. Im looking for a aktive solution so that it's not nessesary to plug in cable in the smartphone if i plug in the phone (same principle as the becker navigation holder)
Thanks for your feedback
alexander555 said:
Hi,
I've two questions.
1. Which navigation sofware can I use offline with phone 7 (alternative to the t-mobile dongle).
2. Which smartphoneholder is good for using in Car. Im looking for a aktive solution so that it's not nessesary to plug in cable in the smartphone if i plug in the phone (same principle as the becker navigation holder)
Thanks for your feedback
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Well I have given up on Getting any GPS software for WP7 and use a Dedicated GPS for all my Navigation in Malaysia and Singapore. There is no company supporting WP7 for of line use of GPS maps that I could find.
If you purchase a dedicated GPS unit with Bluetooth it is possible to use it as A hands free device as well. Most dedicated units also come with a mount.
I have a Nokia phone that I use for GPS when traveling as all the maps and turn by turn navigation are free.
I'm using the AT&T Navigator software on my AT&T focus and its turn by turn directions work great. It cost a few buck per month, but its worth it. The only downside is that with no multitasking, you can't monitor emails while using it, but calls still work.
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I'm using the AT&T Navigator software on my AT&T focus and its turn by turn directions work great. It cost a few buck per month, but its worth it. The only downside is that with no multitasking, you can't monitor emails while using it, but calls still work.
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How much data per hour or so does that pull in?
alexander555 said:
1. Which navigation sofware can I use offline with phone 7 (alternative to the t-mobile dongle).
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If your operator doesn't provide a navigation solution, basically your only option is to find Navigon and sideload it on your phone - search xda for hints on how to do it.
Rumor is that Navigon has an exclusive deal with T-Mobile Germany until summer, so it won't be available on Marketplace until then.
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2. Which smartphoneholder is good for using in Car. Im looking for a aktive solution so that it's not nessesary to plug in cable in the smartphone if i plug in the phone (same principle as the becker navigation holder)
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On xda, there are device-specific forums with "Accessories" sections, check out the forum for your device.
I think every WP7 user should get A to Z. It's in the marketplace and its free. It's amazing, but I'm not sure if it only works in the states... It has turn by turn directions!!!
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I think every WP7 user should get A to Z. It's in the marketplace and its free. It's amazing, but I'm not sure if it only works in the states... It has turn by turn directions!!!
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It's actually called A to B but yes, it is pretty sweet.
I'm with the OP on this. I need a map based turn by turn GPS software such as Garmin, Tomtom, iGO or Navigon. Using bing or A to B doesn't cut it. The last thing I want is to be lost in a dead zone. For me this is a deal breaker and one of the many reasons why I am still with WinMo.
alexander555 said:
Hi,
I've two questions.
1. Which navigation sofware can I use offline with phone 7 (alternative to the t-mobile dongle).
2. Which smartphoneholder is good for using in Car. Im looking for a aktive solution so that it's not nessesary to plug in cable in the smartphone if i plug in the phone (same principle as the becker navigation holder)
Thanks for your feedback
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1. Since you're from Germany, your best bet if you need navigation now is to simply get a T-Mobile device as they come pre-loaded with Navigon.
2. Depends on the device you get. We have Omnia7's and purchased the active Brodit holder for it, great holder. Only downside is that it doesn't play nice with the phones once you put gelaskins on them.
AT&T Navigator costs $10 a month. That is NOT cheap...
10% (maybe more) of your phone bill per month, or $240 over a 2 year contract. You're better off buying a $100 GPS system with offline navigation with updatable maps...
Those GPS services preloaded on these phones are a joke. That's why Google Voice Navigation (and later Bing Voice Navigation) was such a big deal...
deeken said:
I'm with the OP on this. I need a map based turn by turn GPS software such as Garmin, Tomtom, iGO or Navigon. Using bing or A to B doesn't cut it. The last thing I want is to be lost in a dead zone. For me this is a deal breaker and one of the many reasons why I am still with WinMo.
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I'm with you guys here. I'm only on a 200mb plan. Why would I pay $10 per month for Navigator when it'll probably end up going over my limit and overcharge an extra $15 for data? I would have no problem paying a good price for an offline map based GPS.
N8ter said:
AT&T Navigator costs $10 a month. That is NOT cheap...
10% (maybe more) of your phone bill per month, or $240 over a 2 year contract. You're better off buying a $100 GPS system with offline navigation with updatable maps...
Those GPS services preloaded on these phones are a joke. That's why Google Voice Navigation (and later Bing Voice Navigation) was such a big deal...
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totally agree, "a few bucks" is maybe 2-3, but 10 is dead-end. same with their family tracker. I use my Garmin and a few times sideloaded Navigon.
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totally agree, "a few bucks" is maybe 2-3, but 10 is dead-end.
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You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but from my experience (I use Navigator, and I've owned two different dedicated GPS units) you are dead wrong. $10/month for Navigator is quite reasonable compared to what I would have to spend to get a GPS unit with comparable features and quarterly map updates.
RoboDad said:
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but from my experience (I use Navigator, and I've owned two different dedicated GPS units) you are dead wrong. $10/month for Navigator is quite reasonable compared to what I would have to spend to get a GPS unit with comparable features and quarterly map updates.
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I got my GPS for 120 and it was a good quality Garmin. A year in and you're already paying that for Navigator with less features... and that's if you're already paying for unlimited data.
derausgewanderte said:
totally agree, "a few bucks" is maybe 2-3, but 10 is dead-end. same with their family tracker. I use my Garmin and a few times sideloaded Navigon.
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Now that WP7 has FREE tracking built in, there is absolutely no need for the ATT Family Tracking. iPhone and Android Both offer Free Tracking also. I hate to admit it, but iPhone does the best tracking. It pinpoints down to within 20 feet.
I feel both ways on the GPS functions. Personally, I prefer a good GPS unit over GPS on my phone. But, it is nice to get the extra features found on the connected GPS devices. ATT Navigation is actually quite a nice program to use. I used the free trial and was quite impressed, even though I've been a LONG time user of TomTom and Navigon. ATT held it's own, but as others have mentioned, being left without connection, thus no Navigation is just not acceptable for me either.
TomTom, with map updates does end up costing just about the same as ATT Navigator, with the exception of the Data. If you don't use much data, it's probably a wash, but if you go over your data plan, I'm sure ATT will end up being much more expensive. Being able to search for ANY Point of Interest is a big plus on the Connected Navigation. TomTom and Navigon occasionally don't have all the POI's needed.
The newer TomTom's now have the best of all worlds. Free Lifetime Map Updates, Offline Navigation, Online Search, etc... Problem is, they cost around $300-400 for all that.
I'm holding my breath that TomTom will support WP7, especially now that Microsoft has opened up the Dev a bit for them. TomTom on iPhone is really nice to use, so it should be that much better here.
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Now that WP7 has FREE tracking built in, there is absolutely no need for the ATT Family Tracking. iPhone and Android Both offer Free Tracking also. I hate to admit it, but iPhone does the best tracking. It pinpoints down to within 20 feet.
I feel both ways on the GPS functions. Personally, I prefer a good GPS unit over GPS on my phone. But, it is nice to get the extra features found on the connected GPS devices. ATT Navigation is actually quite a nice program to use. I used the free trial and was quite impressed, even though I've been a LONG time user of TomTom and Navigon. ATT held it's own, but as others have mentioned, being left without connection, thus no Navigation is just not acceptable for me either.
TomTom, with map updates does end up costing just about the same as ATT Navigator, with the exception of the Data. If you don't use much data, it's probably a wash, but if you go over your data plan, I'm sure ATT will end up being much more expensive. Being able to search for ANY Point of Interest is a big plus on the Connected Navigation. TomTom and Navigon occasionally don't have all the POI's needed.
The newer TomTom's now have the best of all worlds. Free Lifetime Map Updates, Offline Navigation, Online Search, etc... Problem is, they cost around $300-400 for all that.
I'm holding my breath that TomTom will support WP7, especially now that Microsoft has opened up the Dev a bit for them. TomTom on iPhone is really nice to use, so it should be that much better here.
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Integrating WP7 with Windows Live Family Safety and introducing Bing Maps Navigation and a service similar to Latitude would work, and you wouldn't have to pay AT&T for it.
And for the poster above talking about Navigator: Who cares. Navigator subscriptions are a scam and the only carrier that has a good deal is Sprint because they give it for free with their $69 (not 79) plan. I'm just aghast that people pay these prices for a Navigation app with no offline capabilities on a subscription when GPS hardware is so cheap and actually quite attractive these days (not to mention lots of new cars are coming with them built-in).
You can spin it any way you want, but they make no monetary sense to consumers when you can either get a phone that has it for free, or get a GPS unit that costs half as much as Navigation costs over the course of a your cell phone contract.
One of the reasons Android took off so well is cause of the free Navigation, and even WP7 has this. Microsoft just needs to get off their asses and bring Voice-Guided Navigation to WP7.
I wish I could just buy Ovi Maps for a flat fee or something, for WP7. But in the meantime, I just carry my Vibrant everywhere and use it for that purpose instead.
Hell, even MapQuest has a Voice Guided Nav app for Android now: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mapquest.android.ace&feature=search_result
Microsoft either needs to work with some company like MapQuest, another third party (TomTom, etc.), or get Bing Navigation up to par.
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I think every WP7 user should get A to Z. It's in the marketplace and its free. It's amazing, but I'm not sure if it only works in the states... It has turn by turn directions!!!
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A to B do not work here, i am using dedicated GPS nav device fast and cheap... SGD300/-
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I got my GPS for 120 and it was a good quality Garmin. A year in and you're already paying that for Navigator with less features... and that's if you're already paying for unlimited data.
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It's disingenuous to try to lump your data plan into the "cost" of GPS navigation, unless that is the only reason you have the data plan. Since almost no one falls into that category, the cost is obviously amortized (I use my data connection for email, YouTube, weather updates, downloading apps, and about 20 other purposes).
As for your experience with your $120 Garmin, we'll just have to agree to disagree. My experience has been very different.
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It's disingenuous to try to lump your data plan into the "cost" of GPS navigation, unless that is the only reason you have the data plan. Since almost no one falls into that category, the cost is obviously amortized (I use my data connection for email, YouTube, weather updates, downloading apps, and about 20 other purposes).
As for your experience with your $120 Garmin, we'll just have to agree to disagree. My experience has been very different.
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No it's not. It can change your data requirements. If you use the GPS apps a lot on your phone, a 200MB data plan may not be enough. With a dedicated GPS system, you may be able to just use a 200MB data plan. Some people are like that.
So in the end you end up paying a ridiculous amount of money for the GPS services and the data plan to facilitate it, than just getting a dedicated GPS device.
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A to B do not work here, i am using dedicated GPS nav device fast and cheap... SGD300/-
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Agree.
1. It doesn't work (as in, I've never gotten it to work).
2. It has that banner on the screen at all times, which is a waste of useful screen real estate in this type of application.
What can it do? I was going to activate it on Sprint, but its way too expensive. I decided to just get an HTC Maple on the SERO plan.
So what can this do? I have it controlling my music on the PC already, but I don't know what else I can do with it. So far I keep either this or my iPhone4 in my pocket for use as a:
Music player
Flashlight
Music switcher
Camera
Web Browser
Game player (rather Doodle Jump player)
Clock
What else should I make it do?
Isn't the maple a Windows mobile device? Geeze...
How about a paperweight?
What else would you need it do...? Short of controlling your car and printing money.
if you got a maple, why are you posting here? do you just have an unactivated evo?
The Maple is indeed WM. I hated the phone until I got my Droid stolen and was pleased by the battery life that it had, and I realized it I didn't hate it at all, I did prefer the older stupid-smartphone for various reasons, it works better as a phone to me anyways and I always preferred the keyboard to a touchscreen. I do have an unactivated Evo that I don't think I'll use for cellular service and I'd like to make the best of it. I realize that its like castrating the phone, but I really don't know what else to do with it. Is there a way to forward texts to it and reply from my Evo?
You could just give it to me and I'd make really good use of it.
I can't give it away, I already spent like 100 bucks on it fixing and stuff.
why did you buy this instead of the new itouch? why are you in the Evo forums without a real service providing Evo?
This is dumb
Because it was on sale? I bought it and an iPhone since they were bundled. Why are you so mad? Ignore me if you don't have anything useful to say.
The GPS should work. It's an expensive alternative to a TomTom, but you already have it.
Check my sig.
you can also watch porn! lol
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Check my sig.
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Oh my god, thats beautiful. I'm totally doing that. Thanks! Wow.
cranbiz said:
The GPS should work. It's an expensive alternative to a TomTom, but you already have it.
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Do I need data to use the GPS? I didn't know there was an offline way to use it!
davidv001 said:
you can also watch porn! lol
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Haha, I think I would have to convert a lot of videos!
Download CoPilot via WiFi and you can use that offline, just download the maps on to a SD card and you're golden!
I use CoPilot all the time during road trips and is awesome!
Also, not sure what area you're in but if you're in an area that has MetroPCS you can activate the EVO on their service. I know in Jacksonville, Florida they had this thing where they would charge you 10 dollars for flashing your phone over to MetroPCS as long as it had a clean ESN.
Man, I'm confused. Are you planning on using it for some of the things it's intended to do? Or are you planning on using a crappy WinMo phone?
Update: 2011062601 Basically my car doesn't really have anywhere that looks nice to mount this thing. I just ordered some HDPE bar stock from McMaster Carr after completely redesigning my approach. I'll update Tuesday when my shipment arrives. Ugh... what a pain in the ass.
I know this will be disappointing for you to read right this moment as nothing is done, but I just got off work and I'm about to start making my custom fiberglass dash mount kit. Since CM7 hasn't gotten official GPS kernel modules yet for the LG G2x, I'm using my Tab10.1 as my navigation unit. Here is what I plan on doing, maybe not all this weekend but it will be a work in progress. If you want to get an idea, check it out here http://forum.androidcentral.com/motorola-xoom/67247-car-dock.html
Here is what will happen to my 09 Chevy HHR:
Custom made mold, bracket and swivel stand to hold tablet
Hide-away hinge that will allow me to fold it down and in when not in use
Wireless router and ethernet web cam for use with IP Cam Viewer as a rearview camera.
If any one would like to chime in on good ideas, please let me know. As I said, I'm starting right now making the fiberglass mold so you can expect pictures up by the end of the night. My only design concern is accommodating a TPU case down the road, so I might build it big.
I love this kind of stuff... Looking forward to it!
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I love this kind of stuff... Looking forward to it!
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I agree.... I love this stuff too. look forward to the finish product.
What's the progress so far?
How do you use a wifi only device as an in-car GPS solution? Are you tethering from your phone?
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How do you use a wifi only device as an in-car GPS solution? Are you tethering from your phone?
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That or he has a mifi device
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I heard if you input from a place with wifi such as home, gps will still lock while driving, even without a connection. Also, people load the maps into the devuce to use it without connections
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I heard if you input from a place with wifi such as home, gps will still lock while driving, even without a connection. Also, people load the maps into the devuce to use it without connections
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Depends on the map program. Google Maps (and therefore Google Navigation), the default map and navigation program, does not allow you to load maps. At best, it will pre-cache your directions if you input your route while using wifi. This is useful only if you (a) stay exactly on course (i.e., never require a re-route), and (b) don't use any real-time features like POI, traffic, etc. Hence my question.
Sorry for the late response... to be honest I've had a whole weekend of fail with this...
To answer the questions about GPS... look at your application data size for Google Maps after a week of use. I do intend to tether from my phone but mostly because of Google Music, Pandora, GroVeIP and porn...
There is a substantial ammount of map cache and when not using wifi I am able to get a decent resolution of my route, however, I haven't tried veerinng off course to test whether it actually caches roads... We'll see. I've heard through forums before though that Google had planned on implementing this fully specifically because of WiFi only Android devices
why not just buy the multimedia dock and fit it somewhere around the dashboard? personally I'm gonna wait for Brodit to release a mount
This is for the 7":
http://www.brodit.com/images/511209.jpg
Anyways, good luck!
from one of the guys at RAM:
The RAM-HOL-TAB2U is the available holder for the Galaxy tablet and we are coming out with a specific cradle towards the end of July, RAM-HOL-SAM4U.
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beautiful work!
http://tablet-holder.com/Volkswagen...04_Padholdr_Premium_kit_(Works_w_or_wo_cases)
Have a question, I am upgrading to the Galaxy S3 this coming Thursday and was wondering what I should do with my INC. There will be no plan on it but I still would have the use of wifi. What could I use it for if it will no longer be my primary phone? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
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Have a question, I am upgrading to the Galaxy S3 this coming Thursday and was wondering what I should do with my INC. There will be no plan on it but I still would have the use of wifi. What could I use it for if it will no longer be my primary phone? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
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Its still a great device even without service, its an all in 1 tool. Its a camera, mp3 player, internet on wifi, game player, etc. You could use an app like groove ip, and get a free wifi phone and have a sort of house phone. You could pass it to a younger family member or a friend. You could sell it. Its really up to you.
Wifi, flashing, music, alternative device.
Various things you can do.. I'm getting the nexus on Tuesday and because my device is in poor condition I will not be selling it to best buy as I originally planned. But.. I will be show them its running jelly bean lol, wish it was Verizon though
Anyway just keep it as a backup and stuff.
bOx Stash - https://www.box.com/shared/d8a46b7252c38069deb1
They fetch a pretty decent price on ebay with good ESNs in good shape. I've been looking for one sort of to set up a friend for development. You can probably expect about $90+
Other than that like the others said it makes a good media player, gps, portable gaming device, etc. Use it as a tool kit on wifi.