Seeing as these wireless charging plates are just hitting the market I thought i'd my hands on one to review, seems to work really well
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Hi thanks for this review. will it be compatible with the samsung 3000mah battery? Thanks
+1. I'm looking for wireless charge for extended battery.
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It doesn't work but I guess it could be modified to work fairly easily
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Thanks, but how and why you say it doesn't work? Is it because the battery is too high and the contacts on the wireless charger won't reach? If this is so, it could be potentially modified... but I am more interested if the actual receiver fits and the cover will not squash it?
Big thanks...
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any idea when will it be in stock... and also what version is the one on mobilefun website... as far as I can remember, the V2 versions had some fault.... and also how thick is it? There are new ones that are emerging with .8mm thickness only.
I hope you don't mind me asking a lot of questions here.
cheers
Thanx for review we should get one of them I'm just curious guys did you try it before?
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Thanks, but how and why you say it doesn't work? Is it because the battery is too high and the contacts on the wireless charger won't reach? If this is so, it could be potentially modified... but I am more interested if the actual receiver fits and the cover will not squash it?
Big thanks...
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any idea when will it be in stock... and also what version is the one on mobilefun website... as far as I can remember, the V2 versions had some fault.... and also how thick is it? There are new ones that are emerging with .8mm thickness only.
I hope you don't mind me asking a lot of questions here.
cheers
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the contacts doesn't reach. it could be modified and have been done by some people. there's a thread somewhere here where someone used the zero lemon and hyperion (i think) and modified the qi reciever to touch the contacts.
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the contacts doesn't reach. it could be modified and have been done by some people. there's a thread somewhere here where someone used the zero lemon and hyperion (i think) and modified the qi reciever to touch the contacts.
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Yeah that is the issue, i'll double check the 3000mAh battery cover will close easily tomorrow morning and post some pics
Pardon the question but where can i find these? thanks.
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Pardon the question but where can i find these? thanks.
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@ Oli2k - As it mounts directly on the battery, does it interfere with NFC in any way ?
Nice Review BTW
I need to test the NFC but as far as I know it still works fine. My NFC tags are at home so I'll report back on that later.
Here are the pictures are promised
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NFC works fine on these pads afaik. There's a sticky about the receivers. the 2nd post (that i made) answers a few questions that some people might have about it.
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NFC works fine on these pads afaik. There's a sticky about the receivers. the 2nd post (that i made) answers a few questions that some people might have about it.
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I thought it would, nice one for the feedback
i have the wireless pad + ballistic Sg case and it charges and uses NFC just fine. The NFC range dropped a little bit to around half an inch (from case to tag) but it still works fine.
the charging distance dropped quite abit and you would have "tap" it in to work (atleast with my set up where the dock is at a 45 degree angle)
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i have the wireless pad + ballistic Sg case and it charges and uses NFC just fine. The NFC range dropped a little bit to around half an inch (from case to tag) but it still works fine.
the charging distance dropped quite abit and you would have "tap" it in to work (atleast with my set up where the dock is at a 45 degree angle)
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I tested the NFC last night and as you said it does drop the distance a little but still works fine. Really good product for the money overall.
Be interested to see some pics of a modded one with the extended battery
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I tested the NFC last night and as you said it does drop the distance a little but still works fine. Really good product for the money overall.
Be interested to see some pics of a modded one with the extended battery
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search this forum... someone did a mod for the zero lemon & hyperion battery
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@oli2k and mputtr - thanks for the info guys
Just need to find somewhere that sells them relatively cheap. At £60 for the pad and the charger, it's still a tad expensive. Lol
unfortunately it's the price of being an early adopter.. you would have to wait a few more years before it gets cheap.
I can confirm that the 300mAh battery is compatible with the wireless charging pad in the OP... it fits without any modification, you just have to fit the contacts and close the back cover on the side first where the wireless charging contacts are. I'm very happy now... thanks to Oli for starting this thread...
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title says all heres link
http://cgi.ebay.ca/3500mAh-EXTENDED...702?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb5f9f3ae
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Full Picture Review HERE !!! 25 pages later...
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Finally one with a backplate that properly fits the battery. Maybe I'll pick something like this for roadtrips and what not...but the size of the 3500 defeats the purpose of getting a nice slim phone...decisions decisions...
im out and away from a charger a lot this will make those days of OMG WHERES A CHARGER AT!!!! long gone i can just keep both and use this only when i need it. definitely ordered this. stupid out of us shipping though so who knows when itll show up
"★* High quality & 100% New OEM rechargeable Lithium-ion battery"
How can it be OEM? Samsung never released something like this. Seems funny, but I'm sure it is still functional.
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"★* High quality & 100% New OEM rechargeable Lithium-ion battery"
How can it be OEM? Samsung never released something like this. Seems funny, but I'm sure it is still functional.
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A store like that would sell you a slab of plastic and call it OEM.
I hope the chinese translation is worse than the product! i bought one right away even though i have 2 samsung batteries.
the "mugen" 3200mah battery with i897 backplate is still $80 on ebay, and that backplate is shiny and ugly.
the new
not to mention, i didnt buy the phone because it was thin.
honestly i find the phone too thin, and i have small hands. (only hands.. perverts.)
i miss feeling the phone in my palm not just the edges.
i hope this battery sits nicely in the palm. i will definatly post pics when it arives. we havent gotten many good pics of oversized batteries yet.
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not to mention, i didnt buy the phone because it was thin.
honestly i find the phone too thin, and i have small hands. (only hands.. perverts.)
i miss feeling the phone in my palm not just the edges.
i hope this battery sits nicely in the palm. i will definatly post pics when it arives. we havent gotten many good pics of oversized batteries yet.
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Please post pictures!
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+1 Picture please.
For $13 I figured what the heck and just ordered it. Will let you know after I receive and test it a bit.
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For $13 I figured what the heck and just ordered it. Will let you know after I receive and test it a bit.
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same thing i thought. i already have 2 oem batts. but a double capacity for $13.
dumb not to,.
I find it strange that if I am signed in on EBay on another tab.
When I click on the link it wants me to sign in again ! ?
my link is ebay . CA you were logged in at .COM
the real question is does it actually work, many of these aftermarket batterys claim really high mah but never actually work much longer at all than the stock battery....
although I DO reserve sceptisism, as yes its a $10 double capacity battery from china, from reading the MANY threads on aftermarket batteries in this forum, i have optimistic hopes.
i have read about a similar looking battery but rated 3200mah that while it may not last twice as long as OEM it does last alot longer.. they dont just say a bigger number, they are twice as thick *.* new backplate.
So how many hours of charging?
no idea havent come accross alot of info on the extendeds, when mine gets here in a couple weeks i will definatly make a thourough reveiw/ information/pics whatever/. im not a writer, but im a details and information guy.
so ill have lots of info soon, and as usual it will be detailed, helpful, and accurate but chances are I'll offend someone unintentionally (i usually do).
anxiously waiting for so many ebay toys...
i've ordered one myself, I've been waiting on these to come out for the captivate ever since I got my phone. After coming from a blackberry and using similar china extended capacity batteries, i've found it to be a huge benefit. I doubt it'll be the actual capacity but i'm sure it'll be substantial enough.
With my old blackberry I could barely get to 12 hours on a single charge (and carrying two oem batteries was a pain if I forgot to charge the spare), but with the extended battery I would easily last 2 days and still have charge.
Thanks for this mate...I am getting one for sure. I dont expect twice the charge but anything over normal is fine.
been working on this for awhile. this is my render of the part.
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and this is a simplified prototype to test fitment and other things.
it fits the GSM and LTE Nexus with a case on it. the touchstone goodies are inbetween the case and the phone itself. opening the phone was unnecessary.
right now the phone is a bit of a tight fit. need to get that sorted out and try again in a few days. also need to verify the touchstone will work with the gap i gave it. (.050ish)
look forward to hearing any comments you guys have.
looks awesome!
2 words:
bad.ass
I'd love to see a dock/stand made with that.
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I'd love to see a dock/stand made with that.
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agreed really WOW shame i can't do such thing because don't have such machinery
are u charging via pogo pins or micro usb?
Only issue I see with this is that the placement off the touchstone would have to line up exactly with where you place the coil.
From what I see it wouldn't work on mine since my coil is much higher to avoid interference with NFC...looks very promising though!
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Only issue I see with this is that the placement off the touchstone would have to line up exactly with where you place the coil.
From what I see it wouldn't work on mine since my coil is much higher to avoid interference with NFC...looks very promising though!
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i tried it and there weren't problems with nfc and the coil using beam and an id
and also IF there were problems it wouldn't matter because it's a car dock pretty much sure he's not using nfc in that case
Pretty limiting in that you've blocked off the phone's speaker and the headphone jack. Sure, some people use bluetooth for everything - but some don't. Just some food for thought.
Looks cool. Any way you can share a cad file of this. I drew a few up myself and I'd like to compare dimensions.
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Impressive.
Does the thickness of the material interfere with the cam at all? IIRC it has a pretty wide view. That said, dude, it has a hole for the camera, good stuff
Let's start from the top
Charging through the pogo pins. charging rate appears to be around 750Ma, or around 40% an hour. It was good enough to keep my phone charged while tethered streaming a movie. So its good enough for me.
I realize I didn't leave any provisions for the internal mics or speakers to do their thing. Much less room for the headphone and USB port. I'm only making a few of these for me and some friends willing to conform to my apple-esque control over how their phone is setup.
The NFC works fine, planning on using an NFC tag to launch the car dock.
Not sure about the camera, I should check that...
T-Keith, PM me your email and I'll try and send you some files when I get it to a point where I'm happy (it fits kinda tight right now)
Thanks for all the kind words, I'll get some nicer photos up soon.
Thats just good stuff - would love to see this extended to a home landscape dock.
I'm confused about how/what is holding the phone in the dock.
looks awesome. You could start a Kickstarter to get funding. I want one!
Definitely looks promising. Great inspiration, I might see what I can come up with if I have some free time. This is just begging for some rapid prototyping fun.
I'd also love to take a look at your files. Great work.
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Definitely looks promising. Great inspiration, I might see what I can come up with if I have some free time. This is just begging for some rapid prototyping fun.
I'd also love to take a look at your files. Great work.
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Agreed! If you post up the cad files when you're done I can probably whip one up in my company's makerbot. I can try and figure out the cost and go from there. This is an AWESOME project!
Question.
If you've modded your case so you can charge using a Touchstone, haven't you already got magnets in there to hold the handset in place when using the Touchstone?
If so, then what does the plastic bit achieve?
I'm not trying to criticise, I'm just confused is all.
Did you ever make more progress on this? I use a touchstone in my car now but something to keep the phone a bit more secure would be awesome!
If you've modded your case so you can charge using a Touchstone, haven't you already got magnets in there to hold the handset in place when using the Touchstone?
If so, then what does the plastic bit achieve?
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Most people are afraid to use JUST a touchstone in their car because if you hit a big bump then your phone could go flying. This is EXACTLY what I was looking to do, integrate a touchstone into a regular car dock so that you can just drop it in for wireless charge and not worry about your phone launching across the car when you make a quick turn. I think I'm going to try to modify an already made dock to fit the touchstone as the back plate, as I don't have access to a CNC machine or a 3D printer =(
EDIT: Sorry if it's a bit off topic, but I found a dock that looks like it'd be perfect to cut out the back and integrate a touchstone. What do you guys think?
Hey fellas,
Ive been lucky enough for Anker to send me a 4400mah battery to test and review for you guys. I've used their batteries ever since the Sensation days and I actually have a 2200mah anker for a spare on the S3. They sent me a Pebble Blue back cover as they do not produce the white one yet. I have a two toned S3 hahah. I just wanted to post pics to give you guys an idea. I will be draing the battery today as it came with 57% out of the box. I will give it its first run tomorrow during my work day. Here are the pics, I will be posting 1st run results tomorrow then for the next few days after that. These batteries usually get better after a few cycles. The phone feels good in the hand, not too big. I just ordered one of those TPU extended battery cases to protect the phone while I am using the Extended Anker. Stay tune for some numbers and updates! Thanks!
Im supposed to get one too for reviewing. But you beat me to it
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Forgot to add that it does not say NFC anywhere on the battery. I did go into settings and the NFC box still could be checked. I don't know if this battery has it as I do not use NFC. I'll contact Anker to make sure.
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Im supposed to get one too for reviewing. But you beat me to it
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They are out in Cali where I am LoL! You should be getting yours soon. I'm digging this two tone though hahahah!
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Forgot to add that it does not say NFC anywhere on the battery. I did go into settings and the NFC box still could be checked. I don't know if this battery has it as I do not use NFC. I'll contact Anker to make sure.
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No NFC, jonathan confirmed it. Though i made some recommendations to them to have an option for it with a different price point. hopefully they hear me. Price for this one is about $19.99, i think that's pretty good with that price
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No NFC, jonathan confirmed it. Though i made some recommendations to them to have an option for it with a different price point. hopefully they hear me. Price for this one is about $19.99, i think that's pretty good with that price
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Not bad but there are comparable batteries out there that have nfc for a tad bit less.
8/14 1st Full charge
Rom: FreeGS3 R4
Kernel: seventh R3 1512/384 smartass v2 1048/384 screen off
BATTERY LEVEL AT 76%
Specs:
- Brightness 50%
- Auto Sync On
- BT/GPS Off
- 4G data no WiFi
1st Run: Middle if the day!
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8-15: Battery made it through the night. I did not turn WiFi at all on this first day of testing. I will do a second test on the second full charge tomorrow. So far I am impressed! 5 hours of screen time! Hawt Damn
Do you know how much thicker this makes the phone ? I am wondering what kind of case would fit this and also if it would still fit in a car holder.
Just double the size of the battery. Look at the pic I posted of the side view. I actually ordered a TPU case for extended batteries, should get here in a couple days. I'll post when I receive it.
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Just double the size of the battery. Look at the pic I posted of the side view. I actually ordered a TPU case for extended batteries, should get here in a couple days. I'll post when I receive it.
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Hello. Any updates on this bat? How it's going on so far? Regards.
I have had this battery for few days.
Medium use - online quite a lot, bluetooth always on, brightness on high auto. Same usage on my old S2 with 2100mAh would have critical warning by about 6pm on day 1.
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I just checked Ebay for this for my Sprint. S3. They list AT&T and Tmobile but not Sprint. Will either of those fit my Sprint s3? Or should i just contact the seller?
Thanks in advance,
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All s3 products fit all s3s
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That's what i figured. Better safe than sorry, yeah? Thanks for the quick answer. Going to buy one now.
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Not quite... the Korean market S3 (SHV-E210) uses a different battery than the international / US version. Also the Korean market Samsung Flip Cover will not fit properly on the international / US version. The curvature or thickness of the units are ever so slightly different, so the back plate will not click securely into place on the international / US handset.
But if you don't include the Korean S3 model, then I believe you'd basically be correct.
It probably doesn't affect most people on this forum, but it's a significant exception to the rule that should be noted.
With heavy brightness.
Slim 4.3
What is the total tickness of the phone ?
Debating on getting this or the samsung.
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What is the total tickness of the phone ?
Debating on getting this or the samsung.
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Idk about twice as thick as it is stock
Slim 4.3
I have seen cases for other phones that contain a second battery to charge the phone's main one? Does this type of accessory exist for the Note?
they do,a lot of them exist on ebay and amazon. I think ecell sold the 3500, probably their other wares are good. I'd check some threads here if I was you. I think there is a review on some of them
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I don't want an extravagant battery. Even just a case containing one the same size will do. I want it a case for the actual phone though - not a separate "carry battery" to charge my phone off. The thinner, the better also.
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I don't want an extravagant battery. Even just a case containing one the same size will do. I want it a case for the actual phone though - not a separate "carry battery" to charge my phone off. The thinner, the better also.
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Something like this, this or this ?
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Something like this, this or this ?
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Anyone have tried yet? Is it worth buying?
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Yes its worth buying
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Anyone have tried yet? Is it worth buying?
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I am using a similar case in long trips. Better than external power banks(with cables)
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http://www.flipkart.com/m/callmate-charging-case-samsung-galaxy-note/p/itmddrtzkczn5j5a
Yes It Is Worth It
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Something like this, this or this ?
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I own the first one in black. It works as advertised and makes the phone feel protected. THe Microusb port on the bottom of the device is a tight fit and faces backwards to the one on the phone. This means you have to pay attention plugging it in so as not to munge the plug. I have two batteries and this case that I take with me when I expect to need to use my device excessively.
I found this one, I am not sure if it is any good or not but I like that it has a kickstand and I like that it looks somewhat like an OEM case.
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I found this one, I am not sure if it is any good or not but I like that it has a kickstand and I like that it looks somewhat like an OEM case.
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Look nice
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Right, I ordered this model yesterday
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120972372225?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
It came today.
From what I noticed so far:
- It looks great. Phone fits tightly inside, overall shape is longer and just slightly thicker than a usual protective case.
- Product description mentions some king of a stand. Don't bother about it. It's just a plastic coin-shaped object which you can slide in the hole at the back of the case (you have to keep it in your pocket separately).
- The case can't charge your phone if you're using it. Its output is only 500mA which is not enough for charge and use. The description at the back of the box states 1Amp but the instruction mentions only 500mA. Phone's battery slowly discharges even when the case is on (there is a button at the back to switch it on/off). Of course the overall combined both batteries life should be longer but if you are close to 0% of phone's battery life you are better of switching the phone off, letting the case to charge it and then switching it back on. I'll do some tests tomorrow if it's better to keep the case on from 100% phone's battery life or drain the phone and then switch it off, switch the case on, charge and switch the phone back on. I'll see what gives longer battery life.
- You can charge your phone without taking it out of the case. just be ready for some longer charging times because of those 500mA.
I don't know yet if both phone and case are being charged simultaneously or first phone and then, if the battery reaches 100% the case.
I'll add some photos later on today.
If you have any questions, throw them in.
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cool case, good pictures
Been using this kind of case for one month.. Easy to carry than powerbank with cable, which you need to connect the cable separately.. :laugh:
As the title says, what accessories would you like to be made for the OnePlus One?
There are already custom back covers which you may put on, but what else would you like to see?
It can be from screen protectors all the way to cases or attachments.
Personally, I'd like to see a Dot View Case for the OnePlus One but way stronger.
It could be great to see some sort of wireless charging dock if it was possible for this phone (I haven't done much research about it at this stage). Maybe some OnePlus One exclusive portable battery pack would be cool to see.
Cases of course. I have a bad habit of dropping my phone
Yes if anyone finds a case please post link, thanks.
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Any Cruzerlite case would be cool I use them religiously on my m7 and flo
Spigen case
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Yes! Spigen would be awesome to have!
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Dot view case !! It would be awsome !!
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I'd like to see a back that adds wireless charging a la Galaxy S5. I understand that they probably couldn't include it due to costs but as an additional accessory I think it would be cool.
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I'd like to see a back that adds wireless charging a la Galaxy S5. I understand that they probably couldn't include it due to costs but as an additional accessory I think it would be cool.
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Sadly, not possible as the battery does not support it. If it does happen, there'd need to be some extreme hackery first
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klvnhng said:
Sadly, not possible as the battery does not support it. If it does happen, there'd need to be some extreme hackery first
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Hmm, I may resort to something like this then if nice cases come out. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ultra-thin-Qi-Wireless-Charging-Universal-Receiver-for-micro-USB-Phones-Type-A-/271418734724?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneChargers&hash=item3f31d13884
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Hmm, I may resort to something like this then if nice cases come out. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ultra-thi...ories_MobilePhoneChargers&hash=item3f31d13884
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That's pretty cool. Let me know if you ever get one and manage to mod it properly!
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klvnhng said:
That's pretty cool. Let me know if you ever get one and manage to mod it properly!
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I'll definitely start a thread if I do, hopefully there is enough space between the phone and a case for the coil to fit.
are the spring pins under the cover for wireless charging? theres two sets of them, two pins on each side. in the samsung devices, its for qi and nfc. the qi coil blocks nfc on the batter so a helper antenna is added. i guess we will have to wait and see...
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are the spring pins under the cover for wireless charging? theres two sets of them, two pins on each side. in the samsung devices, its for qi and nfc. the qi coil blocks nfc on the batter so a helper antenna is added. i guess we will have to wait and see...
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Hmm hopefully you can power the phone that way. I wonder where the nfc module is placed, if it's in the battery then I don't think my aftermarket solution will work without blocking the NFC.
http://forums.oneplus.net/threads/ifixit-oneplusone.5351/
apparently the pins are for the antennas that are built into the backplate. an internal qi receiver most likely wont work by being blocked by the nfc antenna in the backplate, and an external one would block nfc.
Wireless charging back cover. I love wireless charging on my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III.
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Yes it does look like the nfc coil is on the back of the phone. Dammit that means wireless charging aftermarket isn't possible without loosing the nfc capabilities.
I would like to see a flip case that replaces the back cover just like the flip case for the Moto G. It would keep the phone as small as possible while protecting the screen.
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Yes it does look like the nfc coil is on the back of the phone. Dammit that means wireless charging aftermarket isn't possible without loosing the nfc capabilities.
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I don't use nfc, so bring on the wireless charging mod lol.
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