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Hi!
I'm looking for an application, that quickly kills my battery if it's low, so I can do a full charge to improve battery life.
Something, that I launch, I put my phone on the desk, have a tea meanwhile, and it's drained! Something, that turns on wifi, do some downloading, browsing, video playing, or whatever, and does it automatically without supervision. Does such app exists?
I'll second this, it'd be nice to have an app do this for me and maybe even give us some interesting stats from it?
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why would you want an application to destroy your battery?
Adevem said:
why would you want an application to destroy your battery?
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Apparently if you do a full discharge the battery life will be longer.
Soniboy84 said:
Apparently if you do a full discharge the battery life will be longer.
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not really, you should avoid deep discharges...
Byr0x said:
not really, you should avoid deep discharges...
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+1 If you had been reading around...you would know Lithium Ion batteries are designed to 'maximize' their efficiency within about two weeks of 'top up' charging. Cycle-charging is generally considered a less efficient method of charging. You will need to 'TopUp charge' this means charging as much and as often as possible. If your battery is at 89% for instance and you find yourself near a socket, plug your adapter in and charge it up to 100%. After a few days of doing this you will notice an improvement in the life of your battery when you are not able to charge.
Actually,,,
It is not matter of running your battery down to 0%.
It is ok to run it down till phone does to power on itself.
As you know battery is a single cell Li-Ion @ 3.7v
when it is fully charged it's peak voltage is 4.2v
By the time battery mah is drained down (galaxy s has 1500mah)
battery voltage should be around 3.2~3.4v range. this will depend on condition of the battery.
Battery should never go below 3.2v personally, 3.4v is my cut off.
If your battery voltage goes below 3.2v... it's time for a new battery as this kind of voltage will damage your battery, either it will leak or puff (battery will actually get bloated.
Phone has a voltage cut off so it will not over charge over 4.2v but if it does, it will likely start to smoke and catch fire.
I am sure anyone who is into electric Radio control knows all about these batteries.
Oh btw,,, long time storage voltage should be 3.8v
You'll be asking how do I know what voltage my battery is... I personallly don't know of any apps but GPS Status actually shows the temperature & voltage of your battery.
Soniboy84 said:
I'm looking for an application, that quickly kills my battery if it's low, so I can do a full charge to improve battery life.
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First, take into consideration the comments above regarding deep discharge of your battery...but, to answer your question, there's an app in the market place called 'Battery Refresh' which attempts to drain your battery quicker.
Well if it's all true above than its a good sign, and thanks for the info! I'm not an expert but in the old times I remember batteries had to discharged completely, maybe even if it's just a few times. Now somebody can also tell me why my battery is discharging when it's plugged in the socket with original charger? All I do is using the internet, and has. nimbuzz and a live wallpaper on. :S
You could probably enable the GPS/BT/WIFI ( connected to a router ) and run the interactive mode on Neocore benchmark.. that should enable most of the hardware components on the phone and stress the GPU/CPU.. probably would see a 25% battery drain for every 35-40mins.
I don't know what has changed with the batteries but as far as I know...
it is good to discharge new batteries 3~4 times down until phone does not power on.
Like I have said... it's about the voltage of the battery, not whether battery has any juice left in it or not.
These batteries have a protective circuitry so that it will not charge over 4.2v,
also as for discharge it is usually down to 3v but usually with a charger/discharger units that can control mah/volts/amps. With typical usage from the phone, it'll likely be discharged down to about 3.2`3.4v. Which is very safe.
You can do whatever you feel but I personally do this to every batteries I have for phone and every batteries I use with my radio controled cars.
For my RC cars, I have about 6 batteries ranging from 1cell to 3cell LiPo packs.
Each cell is 3.7volts.
But you don't have to force discharge and hurry the process.
Just use the phone normally and let it run down to nothing... than recharge to full peak.
Than again, choice is yours.
I'm looking for the same kind of applications. It's very useful for recalibrating your battery. Wipe the battery history then do a full cycle.
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The old saying in RC Helicopters was that the difference between discharging 50% and 100% was the difference between getting 500 uses and 5 uses.
You should certainly avoid ever fully dischaging any lithium based battery.
Older nickel batteries (Ni-cd, Ni-MH) required full dischage cycles to get rid of memory the the metals pertained, lithium-ion and lithium-ion-polymer not only do not require this; but doing so will damage them.
And yes, the older ipods came with Nimh cells and they did reccomended full discharge cycles.
Im pretty sure the idea was to try not to let the voltage get below 3.5v/cell and never below 3.3. Dead flat is 3 or 2.85 which is when the battery simply cant produce any real current. The phone should have circuitry though to not let the voltage get above 4.25 or below ~3.5.. If the low battery warning comes on, set the brightness to dim, and stop any activities (unless its a phone call, its not THAT important but if youre playing games or watching a movie...) until yo can get to a charger.
By the way this being my first post (i meant to ages ago) Ill just mention that my galaxy S came with recovery mode and download mode Enabled, i got it just last month, Virgin network, Australia.
draining the battery fully was for the older battery types, new age batteries are not recommended to be drained fully
Thanks!
One more question:
I'm using my phone as a desktop replacement, because I don't have Internet at the moment. I'm using xda, dolphin browser and listening music. It's plugged into the mains and it's not charging. It says 49%, and stuck there. Is it possible I'm using too much battery?
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Ok, this will be my last reply.
Fully draining or not is not the issue.
In RC, most modern electronic speed controllers have a built-in battery cut-off which will cut off power once it reaches certain voltage. Because OVER-draining battery without cut off can damage/kill/ or make it unable to hold voltage.
Also, once the battery voltage reach certain point (still within safe range) you will notice the motor being powered slow down. This would also be a recommended time to stop.
Cellular phones have built in safe cut off aswell. As I have said I have measured my battery after being full drained, voltage was around 3.55v or so. Which is very normal considering voltage of the battery is 3.7v only with peak charged voltage of 4.2.
Now, Someone mentioned that fully draining your battery repeatedly will dramatically reduce battery life.
Reducing life of the battery has more to do with the amount of AMP used to charge the battery. Faster charging is usually reduce battery life dramatically.
And without hobby grade chargers, you won't be able to control this charge rate.
Slow charge is better but charging at 1C rating is the normal. But charging at 1C means regardless of batteries mah rating, battery can be charged in about 60 minutes. As we all know, our phone batteries doesn't charge from zero to full in 60minutes, right? just like most of the portable devices it takes nearly 3~4hours to fully recharge. Last 20% usually takes longer because Amp provided to charge slowly lowers. That is why.
For example, if Galaxy S battery is 1500mah, than 1C charge rate is @ 1.5amp.
If battery is 3000Mah, 1C is 3.0Amps and so on.
So like I have said over and over before, drain your battery away if you have to by choice or not. Just use it up, I will bet you your battery will last longer than you keep your phone.
U should avoid draining ur battery to 0% (witch is not possible with ur phone. When it shows 0% the charge of the battery is at 10-15%). Li-ion batteries dont have a memory effect, so it would be usless discharching it completely anyhow. Best for sgs battery is charging it before it goes under 50% that will improve the lifetime of ur battery (not how long it lasts before u have to charge but how long it lasts before u have to go and buy a new one)
How do i know? Simply cause i had to learn that a few weeks ago for the job im learning.
@xxgg: yes ur right, it wont really damage the battery if u runn it till thr phone shows its empty. But using an app to drain battery as quick as possible will, since the app forces the battery to give out more Ampere than its built to give out
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I just got some new batteries for my i-9000. I am wondering, I have always heard LIthium batteries do not like to be fully discharged. I want to perform a calibration on the new battery, but all the battery calibration apps say
1.Fully charge the battery
2.Press calibrate battery button.
3.Run the phone fully flat until the battery dies.
4.Fully charge the battery to 100% uninterrupted.
Now, step 3, going all the way until the phone dies, is that a good thing to do or a bad thing to a new battery?
Letting your cellphone's battery drain until the phone dies is a normal thing that won't damage your battery, because the battery won't really go to 0% charge.
Cellphones always shutdown it-self when the battery levels get too low (like 3%), to avoid the damage it would do in the Li-ion battery if it would go to 0%. So you have nothing to worry about.
yeah mine shuts down around 2-3% percent for that reason. You'll be fine.
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just doing it once when you get a new phone or after noticing horrible battery life on a newly flashed ROM can work wonders
other than those times, I only let my phone get to 20-40% before I plug it back in
I Use BOS Gingersense Port From Kingdom, My battery is good and i didnt do that whole discharging,recharging crap.
calibration works for me...
Calibration even worked for me too, on my Galaxy 3. Previously i was getting backup of only 1 day, but after calibration i get around 1.5 days. I know its not much improvement, but still its worth.
And you don't need calibrate frequently. Just once in two weeks is fine. And I've heard that deep discharge once a while is infact good for the battery. Correct me if I'm wrong.
waiting for phone to completely die right now. One question though can I turn on phone while charging or should I just leave it off after dieing?
I called Sammy, they told me letting the phone turn off by itself because the battery can't power it is bad for the battery in the long run, they said you can't really see the bad effect that time, they told me, we have learned on are testing that when you see the low battery message pop up that is where you need to charge the phone, that warning is where the calibration starts, now draining it to the point that the phone turn itself off is bad for the battery. Do you believe that?
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Only if you leave the cell empty.
It's best to recharge a cell as soon as possible if you have discharged it.
Discharge/charge cycles should be kept to a minimum, ie when you first get the battery, when you are sure you need to recalibrate, and when you've got no choice.
Top up charges are best for lithium batteries.
The charging circuitry in the phone should protect the battery from over discharge. It also protects the phone from overcharging. However, just like a spring, it's the constant charge/discharge that damages a battery. I would not run it down every day but it should not damage the battery, only cause it to wear out faster.
Source: I'm an electrical engineer.
Try to avoid frequent full discharges. Occasional full discharges are okay.
Lots of uncertainty here, lol.
A new Li-Ion cell will output ~4.2V when fully charged and ~3V when it is totally discharged. Every single smartphone I've owned would shut down before the cell dropped below 3.5V. Draining your phone's battery until it dies will not hurt the battery or your phone. No worries about batteries catching fire.
Repeated or frequent full discharges will wear your battery out much faster, though.
Flattened my Xoom earlier, as I do everynow and again to full cycle the battery.
Came back to it a bit later and it had charged up to 40 odd %
Used it for a while then it suddenly said the battery was flat and switched off..
Anyone else had this, am I looking at a dead battery or should I just leave it swtiched off and on charge overnight?
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Flattened my Xoom earlier, as I do everynow and again to full cycle the battery.
Came back to it a bit later and it had charged up to 40 odd %
Used it for a while then it suddenly said the battery was flat and switched off..
Anyone else had this, am I looking at a dead battery or should I just leave it swtiched off and on charge overnight?
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It shouldn't be, lithium ion batteries don't have as intense a memory problem as the old nicad batteries...maybe just wipe the batteries stats in clockwork for good measure and take it from there. Sorry I forgot to mention that this would assume you are rooted. All my Android devices have weird jumps like that, but not usually that extreme.
cool, I'll clear the battery stats and see what it says in the morning.
Clear the stats in the morning after the full night charge not before..
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Good job I checked here before I went to sleep eh
Lithium batteries do not like to go all the way down to dead (so low the device won't even start). They wear alot if you do. There is no reason to cykle them after the first time charge as there is no memory effect on them.
I had a laptop battery partially charged installed in my laptop and did't use it for two weeks. The battery went compleatly dead and when I charged it I only got like 20% into it before it said full. I had to buy a new battery.
So don't leave your XOOM with 1% battery for a long time. If you are not gonna use it for a prolonged time charge it up to about 75% before leaving it.
SEALen is correct, Lithium batteries should not be fully discharged it significantly shortens their lifespan, there is also no memory effect, the only battery type that ever did have one is NiCad.
The best way to keep a lithium battery healthy is to charge little and often, keep it topped up.
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SEALen is correct, Lithium batteries should not be fully discharged it significantly shortens their lifespan, there is also no memory effect, the only battery type that ever did have one is NiCad.
The best way to keep a lithium battery healthy is to charge little and often, keep it topped up.
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+ 1 to your arguments however if he is doing a calibration, i let it get to 1% before charging it again, i dont let it die i watch battery widget pro and watch the mA.. This will not fix a battery but give better indication of its lifespan
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I've brought my Desire Z back for reparation (Mainboard died and replaced by an official repair center).
I've bringed it with my stock Battery fully loaded (I took it from the charger and 30 minutes later it died). When i picked it up, the battery was totally empty. Nothing in it. The Phone didn't even turned on!
It taked a while on the charger, but finally it turned on and was charged to 100% in normal time.
Since that, I experience a huge battery drain. When I release my phone from the charger on 7.30AM, it is dead on 4.30PM with no use! No SMS, phonecall, nothing. Only Gmail sync.
I've tried different ROM's (With- and without sense) and did restore my phone to stock. It doesn't solve my problem, the drain still stays huge, even with no apps installed!!!
I've tried another battery > same problem!
What can this be? Normally, my Desire Z last about 1,5 days oder 2 days when nothing happens. Why it's draining so fast, even if it's not used?
What can I do to resolve this ??
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I've brought my Desire Z back for reparation (Mainboard died and replaced by an official repair center).
I've bringed it with my stock Battery fully loaded (I took it from the charger and 30 minutes later it died). When i picked it up, the battery was totally empty. Nothing in it. The Phone didn't even turned on!
It taked a while on the charger, but finally it turned on and was charged to 100% in normal time.
Since that, I experience a huge battery drain. When I release my phone from the charger on 7.30AM, it is dead on 4.30PM with no use! No SMS, phonecall, nothing. Only Gmail sync.
I've tried different ROM's (With- and without sense) and did restore my phone to stock. It doesn't solve my problem, the drain still stays huge, even with no apps installed!!!
I've tried another battery > same problem!
What can this be? Normally, my Desire Z last about 1,5 days oder 2 days when nothing happens. Why it's draining so fast, even if it's not used?
What can I do to resolve this ??
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try a new battery? Reset battery stats and give it a few days to actually get accurate readings? 8 hours isn't unheard of especially if your battery is giving up the ghost. give those thigns a try and maybe turn off sync and/or data to see if that makes a differance.
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try a new battery? Reset battery stats and give it a few days to actually get accurate readings? 8 hours isn't unheard of especially if your battery is giving up the ghost. give those thigns a try and maybe turn off sync and/or data to see if that makes a differance.
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Thanks! I've already tried a new battery, but that makes no sense.
I'm now draining it to zero, i.e. when it's fully dead, and then charge it to 100% for 8 hours. When it's charged, i'll wipe battery stats. Let's see.
When anybody has more tips, i'm pleased to hear them!
Here's a tip: don't drain your battery to zero. This is a great way to shorten the life of the battery, or completely ruin it.
For purposes of battery meter calibration, draining to 10-20% is plenty sufficient.
There should be no problem draining a battery to zero as shown by software. There is a myth/misunderstanding that this is a bad thing because people confuse it with the fact that Lithium Ion batteries can be permanently damaged if they are drained too low.
BUT any device using such batteries will have its circuitry setup to have 0% set to a point above this damaging threshold.
So the "too low" point in hardware is likely to be below the zero point that the phone's firmware and software will let you go to.
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.
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Here's a tip: don't drain your battery to zero. This is a great way to shorten the life of the battery, or completely ruin it.
For purposes of battery meter calibration, draining to 10-20% is plenty sufficient.
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x2 I concur with this. No need to fully discharge the battery, one it probably doesn't even fully discharge because I'm pretty sure the software is saving you from yourself, plus when the battery stats are uncalibrated I'm fairly certain it reads as discharged but in fact is only partially thus the calibration is off. Lastly I'm if the opinion that throwing different charge levels works better because it more closely resembles real life charging situations. Also letting it charge for that long does nothing because the phone charges only a trickle when full in order to not ruin the battery, similar to a laptop. Overcharge protection....
Thanks again!
Now I did charge it to full and wiped Battery stats.
After 1hour 30 minutes, it lost 10%. Did only send 2 short mails with Gmail.
Here is the usage chart:
- Screen 54% (Time active 4m 51s), Brightness ~20%
- Mobile Stand-By 20% (Time active 1u 26m 13s)
- Phone inactive 18% (Time Active 1u 21m 21s)
- Gmail 5% (CPU Total 31s, CPU Foreground 25s, enabled 51s)
- Android OS 3% (CPU Total 21s)
CPU is on idle ~10%, as always. I don't see any apps that are burning my battery.
s there something abnormal here?
just compared it with my statistics (running virtuous affinity)...
Mobile Stand-By seems to be very high... i have 4% (time active 2 h 30 m)
maybe radio related?
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just compared it with my statistics (running virtuous affinity)...
Mobile Stand-By seems to be very high... i have 4% (time active 2 h 30 m)
maybe radio related?
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This stats come from Virtuous Affinity also. I'd had never had any problems with such a drain with my 'old phone'. As soon as I got it back from the repair center, the battery drain is huge.
I've reflashed the latest radio for my phone, made a Superwipe and made a fresh install of Viruous Affinity. Let's see.
I think that 'Cell Standby' is killing my battery. It is at the top of the usage list with 38% and it's all time active. My phone was left it's charger at 7.15AM, now at 9.00AM it lost 20% of it's battery on idle use only. On 9.00AM, I've turned my phone on airplane mode. Let's see if that works.
I will recover the phone to stock tonight. If this isn't working, I'll return the phone to the store.
Even with the phone on airplane mode the battery is heavily draining. My last escape is to remove the SD Card. If the draining continues, then I will bring my phone back.
Does the battery came hot? Like more than normal?
With temp+cpu app you can monitor your temperature.
Because if on idle the temperature's around 25-28 C, you should be alright.
And then you can consider what steviewevie said; lithium battery can be damaged if you go on a too low voltage. Even if the phone as his ''protection'' to not get the battery to a critical level, the battery can loose power even if its not used.
Lithium ion, its cool but not perfect.
Try a OEM brand new battery.
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There should be no problem draining a battery to zero as shown by software. There is a myth/misunderstanding that this is a bad thing because people confuse it with the fact that Lithium Ion batteries can be permanently damaged if they are drained too low.
BUT any device using such batteries will have its circuitry setup to have 0% set to a point above this damaging threshold.
So the "too low" point in hardware is likely to be below the zero point that the phone's firmware and software will let you go to.
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I've seen plenty of people on XDA with this phone and others that have rendered their battery unable to charge by letting it discharge to zero. Yes, there are failsafes meant to prevent over-discharge, but they apparently do not always work. The damage is not "permanent" in that its just the protection circuit of the battery kicking in. But the only way to bring the battery back from "sleeping" is with a special battery meter with boost function, which most people do not have access to. So for all practical purposes, its cheaper to just buy a new battery.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/low_voltage_cut_off
Yes, over-discharge will not LIKELY kill your battery in this way. But there is no point in taking the risk. The battery meter is far from accurate in the best of conditions. So there is zero benefit to letting the battery drain to zero, as opposed to 10 or 20 %, just for the benefit of calibrating the battery meter.
Also, even if over-discharge does not instantly "kill" the battery, running full cycles at the least will shorten the overall life of the battery. Its best to avoid full cycles and charge often.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
Now this is just my experience from reading the experiences of others on XDA. I know there are hardware techs that can give much more first hand experience with batteries and may disagree. But as I figure, better safe than sorry. Especially when you consider there is no real benefit to letting it drain to zero on purpose.
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Does the battery came hot? Like more than normal?
With temp+cpu app you can monitor your temperature.
Because if on idle the temperature's around 25-28 C, you should be alright.
And then you can consider what steviewevie said; lithium battery can be damaged if you go on a too low voltage. Even if the phone as his ''protection'' to not get the battery to a critical level, the battery can loose power even if its not used.
Lithium ion, its cool but not perfect.
Try a OEM brand new battery.
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The temp of the battery don't exceed 28 degrees, I test this with Battery Indicator Pro. When discharged, the Voltage is around 3,6 (Which is normal behaviour). When charged, it,s 4,2V which is normal also.
I have already tried a new battery, and it doesn't make sense. Same behaviour.
I'm really clueless, because it drains the battery always. Airplane mode an removal of the SD card makes no difference.
I will return to stock tonight, charge again, and see if it behaves the same. When yes, then I will return the phone as I don't accept such behaviour (Normally, my Battery last 30+ Hours on idle).
Thanks for your tips and help for so far! I will report.
Hello,
So I am going to get HTC One X next week. Though, I have one question. Should I charge it first time for a long period or can I turn it on in shop, just to check if everything is okay and etc. I just want to have the maximum battery life, possible. Thanks for your answers
And hey, maybe you have any other suggestions?
I would get it home and stick it on charge until at least the light turns great. A few people are suggesting leave it for at least another 20-30 mins after this too if you can. I definitely wouldn't turn it on in the store; and HTC also recommend to fully charge before use.
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I would get it home and stick it on charge until at least the light turns great. A few people are suggesting leave it for at least another 20-30 mins after this too if you can. I definitely wouldn't turn it on in the store; and HTC also recommend to fully charge before use.
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Oh, okay Thanks. Well, I am just so scared... I don't want to get a phone with bunch of bugs
You're fine to turn it on and give it a quick test. All Lithium Ion/Polymer batteries have a partial charge for shipping as leaving it completely flat for long periods of time will damage it. Don't run the battery down though.
You should still charge it fully before using it properly however. Once the phone is fully charged then you can unplug it and use it. You don't need to leave it "charging" for 12+ hours even if the phone thinks it is fully charged.
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You're fine to turn it on and give it a quick test. All Lithium Ion/Polymer batteries have a partial charge for shipping as leaving it completely flat for long periods of time will damage it. Don't run the battery down though.
You should still charge it fully before using it properly however. Once the phone is fully charged then you can unplug it and use it. You don't need to leave it "charging" for 12+ hours even if the phone thinks it is fully charged.
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Okay, I will plug it in for the first time. But what about second, third times? Should I discharge it completely?
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Okay, I will plug it in for the first time. But what about second, third times? Should I discharge it completely?
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Its normally better for the battery to run down to a low level before re-charging if you keep topping the battery up when it gets to 50 - 60 you could end up damaging the battery.
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Its normally better for the battery to run down to a low level before re-charging if you keep topping the battery up when it gets to 50 - 60 you could end up damaging the battery.
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That is with NiCad and NiMH batteries. Lithium Ion batteries don't have the memory effect and actually prefer partial discharge cycles.
If anything odd happens then you can recalibrate the battery monitoring data by discharging it fully then charging it. In general however, you shouldn't do this every cycle.
My second phone that arrived took around 3 hours 15 mins for its charge light to turn green; I unplugged it after 4 hours and I was actually happy with the battery life on that one. My third one arrived earlier and the green light came on after 1 hour and 25 mins.
Guess they started with different battery levels? I will leave it on charge for another hour or so as I'm going in a meeting anyway; therefore when I turn it on its initial charge will have been around 3 hours long.
I believe you can't over charge the battery anyway, so once the green light it on there is a chance its probably not taking in anymore power. If thats the case leaving it plugged in once the light has changed is just irrelevant?
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I believe you can't over charge the battery anyway, so once the green light it on there is a chance its probably not taking in anymore power. If thats the case leaving it plugged in once the light has changed is just irrelevant?
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Li ion batteries are protected from overcharging, as overcharge could actually cause it to overheat and catch fire or explode. Not sure if the protection is in the OS, hardware, or battery. But basically charging will stop when the battery is 100% and saturated, then when the battery dips below 100%, it will top it off again. Not sure about the One X (still waiting for the AT&T variant), but on other HTC phones, you will sometimes actually see the battery meter drop down from full to 99% when its on the charger, then read full again.
So leaving it on the charger doesn't hurt things much (although technically partial charges are better for the battery long term). Leaving the battery charging for longer ensures the "saturation" charge is applied, which may not happen if you quick charge to full, then disconnect.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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If anything odd happens then you can recalibrate the battery monitoring data by discharging it fully then charging it.
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You shouldn't purposely discharge Li ion batteries until the phone shuts off. In theory, protections in the OS and the battery's safety circuit are supposed to prevent over-discharge. But its not fail-safe, and I've seen reports of plenty of Android phones where the battery fails to take a charge after being discharged to shutdown. If this happens to you, the only way to bring the battery back to life is with a special battery meter with boost function (which most people do not have access to) or buy a new battery (which is of course a problem on the One X, due to the non-removable battery).
Its rare, but it does happen, and there is no real benefit to running the battery until the phones shuts down. The battery meter is not remotely accurate enough to justify purposely discharging below 10 or even 15%, just for sake of calibration. Charge to full, leave it a while (30 min), then use until 15% charge or so. Repeat a couple times to fully calibrate the battery meter.
To answer the original question, powering the phone on (when you first get it) for a short time is ok. Just go through the battery meter calibration as I described as soon as possible thereafter, and it should be fine.
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Li ion batteries are protected from overcharging, as overcharge could actually cause it to overheat and catch fire or explode. Not sure if the protection is in the OS, hardware, or battery. But basically charging will stop when the battery is 100% and saturated, then when the battery dips below 100%, it will top it off again. Not sure about the One X (still waiting for the AT&T variant), but on other HTC phones, you will sometimes actually see the battery meter drop down from full to 99% when its on the charger, then read full again.
So leaving it on the charger doesn't hurt things much (although technically partial charges are better for the battery long term). Leaving the battery charging for longer ensures the "saturation" charge is applied, which may not happen if you quick charge to full, then disconnect.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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You shouldn't purposely discharge Li ion batteries until the phone shuts off. In theory, protections in the OS and the battery's safety circuit are supposed to prevent over-discharge. But its not fail-safe, and I've seen reports of plenty of Android phones where the battery fails to take a charge after being discharged to shutdown. If this happens to you, the only way to bring the battery back to life is with a special battery meter with boost function (which most people do not have access to) or buy a new battery.
Its rare, but it does happen, and there is no real benefit to running the battery until the phones shuts down. The battery meter is not remotely accurate enough to justify purposely discharging below 10 or even 15%, just for sake of calibration. Charge to full, leave it a while (30 min), then use until 15% charge or so. Repeat a couple times to fully calibrate the battery meter.
To answer the original question, powering the phone on (when you first get it) for a short time is ok. Just go through the battery meter calibration as I described as soon as possible thereafter, and it should be fine.
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Brilliant post redpoint73; appreciate you taking the time. Just got out of my meeting so my device has been on charge for around an extra hour since seeing the green light so I will be taking it off charge now to set it up etc... Total first time charge time will have been 2 hours 40 mins.
It's likely it will be down to 15%-20% before I put it on charge again tonight as will be syncing all the apps and data back on to the device as well as giving it a good bit of usage to check things out. Will no doubt then be on charge for around 7 hours through the night whilst turned off, and I will do this for the first 3/4 days (same as previous one). My last battery was good so hoping for the same again.
redpoint73 said:
You shouldn't purposely discharge Li ion batteries until the phone shuts off. In theory, protections in the OS and the battery's safety circuit are supposed to prevent over-discharge. But its not fail-safe, and I've seen reports of plenty of Android phones where the battery fails to take a charge after being discharged to shutdown. If this happens to you, the only way to bring the battery back to life is with a special battery meter with boost function (which most people do not have access to) or buy a new battery (which is of course a problem on the One X, due to the non-removable battery).
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It is pretty poor design if your phone does kill itself if you hit 0% though as that isn't too unusual of an event for a phone. I've never seen any phone which did that but I agree it could happen.