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The following are the features NEEDED before I adopt WP7 as my new smartphone OS.
1. Rooted device.
2. Rooted windows share Local network access.
3. File explored => than iFile
3. Phone theme app similar to winterboard for iPhone.
4. DLNA in all forms.
5. True windows live Mesh.
6. Zune updated via explorer, no tethered or untethered syncing needed.
7. Push everything.
8. App pirating scene => apptrackr.org for iPhone.
9. Video game console emulation from all the greats.
10. IE download manager.
11. Video chat.
These needs are almost already met with my iPhone. Being a avid windows 7 and windows media center user I can see a huge advantage of adopting WP7. Devs, can u tell me how many features I can check off this list? I know some are possible with 6.x already. Feel free to add to this list for wanted features that are out of the norm.
Also I don't think I like the idea of ROM cooking. I might not understand it though, since ROM means read only memory does it mean that u have to modify your devices os before you install it in your phone? I don't like that at all. I want to be able to modify my os at anytime in explorer like u can with windows 7.
App pirating...oh yeah that's a feature that will be good for the development of the platform. Seesh, people work hard on stuff and generally charge reasonable prices to keep themselves afloat and you demand app pirating!? Dear Microsoft please allow rpoot access to the device so people can find work arounds and steal your client's good work. That's exactly the attitude which stops Microsoft from allowing root access, because its waaaaay to easy to pirate then.
What we really need is a good ad revenue generator (ie Google ads, iAds) so that innovation can be driven by the financial incentive and these guys who dev can get some well earned cash.
Anyways, whats your job? Would you like it if I asked for yur services and then you didn't get paid?
Sorry grouchy this morning. #Rant
Yea. $400 for a phone is fine but then when asked to pay $3 for an app you'll use all the time it's just too much? :facepalm:
......why the hell does a mobile browser need a download manager?
Thats what the iPhone needs to be able to download mp3s or docs from safari. I just want the ability to download a mp3 from the net in the brower and have it show up in my zune media player. The iphone requires a few jailbroken apps to achieve this at the moment.
that's native in the zune music player already you know...
1. Rooted device.
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I thought rooting was only used for android. But as far as the unlocking thing, it is device dependent. Several developers are working on finding means to give developers more freedom as well as users with wp7. but it is a work in progress and takes time.
2. Rooted windows share Local network access.
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what
3. Phone theme app similar to winterboard for iPhone.
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Does this really have to be said? I mean are you looking for an application that will allow user customization of the start menu like winterboard? If so see post 1. to be frank the theming for wp7 so far is okay but nothing as open as windows mobile. But again we have no idea what the device can really do. It is based on what is found and the extent of what development will lead to.
But if you want winterboard...well get the phone that has it
4. DLNA in all forms.
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Again unsure if wp7 can do that. It may be able to but no idea. We don't know
5. True windows live Mesh.
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Isn't live mesh going to be gone soon?
6. Zune updated via explorer, no tethered or untethered syncing needed.
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I dunno if that's really necessary. There may be a program for it most likely. But I don't think its needed in first generation wp7 devices. Heck I much prefer to just drag and drop my files or sync with zune anyway...
7. Push everything.
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Not everything has to be push...I think that as far as notification goes push may be a hindrance. I do prefer the old system though
8. App pirating scene => apptrackr.org for iPhone.
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yeah this is a fail...
9. Video game console emulation from all the greats.
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That is developer dependent and its tough to say what the emulation scene will be like...
10. IE download manager.
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Why!? Seriously why!? sorry but that's retarded. I mean how much are you downloading on your phone right now to substantiate a feature like that. remember, wp is the de emphasis of the phone being a computer but performing some basic tasks like all smart phones can do in a different way.
11. Video chat.
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It could be a developer making something for that. No one knows
As for the things being met for your iphone, keep your iphone =) if you honestly are looking for information on a platform that isn't released, wait a year until wp7 has some options available...
and for the point of not liking rom cooking, do you even know the process? No you don't. May wanna read up on it...
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IMHO, almost everything you listed I know personally I won't be using my phone for that. I don't mind media centric information but there is overload. For suiting my needs (clinical psychology) I may need to browse some psychology databases, a dedicated pdf reader, an ebook reader, the ability to record notes from class, patient intake, and so on. But again specifics differ according to user of the device.
Thanks for the info domineus, what I mean by "Rooted windows share Local network access." is the abiltiy for my phone's whole file system to show up when I click on the network in explorer on one of the PCs in my house. The iPhone does this with ubuntu when it is jailbroken right now. Also I want the abiltity to telnet/ssh into all my home network PCs to move files around and delete them or whatever. Basicly I want total control of my home network in the command line. This feature is lacking with my iPhone right now. I bet telneting is possible in windows mobile 6.x right now isn't it?
As far as the download manager thing goes. I don't know what u use your phone for but I am constantly getting new mp3s, pics, video, and docs offline everyday. The itunes library on the phone is encrypted right now so u can't just drop and drag in iFile to add to the itunes library. Also the default safari you can't save target as to get the file. I think you can with windows mobile 6.x though, I did it at work once. Half the time I'm not around a pc to sync anyways, I feel like tethered syncing is a chore. I am pretty sure you can't "save target as" in IE with the WP7 emulator.
Yeah Ive decided....you should get the iPhone...Im pretty happy to see how the community goes but for you to make demands a lot of which are stupid or overly tailored to your specific needs and hence serve no purpose on a public forum, well thats pretty darn silly.
gotta agree its a bit solipsistic
especially on a platform that is newly developed and IMHO we have no idea how its going to develop or the clientele requirements
Skatingn330 said:
[...]Also I want the abiltity to telnet/ssh into all my home network PCs to move files around and delete them or whatever. Basicly I want total control of my home network in the command line. This feature is lacking with my iPhone right now. I bet telneting is possible in windows mobile 6.x right now isn't it?[...]
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Uhm, telnet? Yes, through 3rdparty apps of course. Telnet is a very simple thing to use, but you still need somewhere to telnet TO and something responding on the other end (on your computer(s)). So, the "feature" you want is not something that is related to the device, but rather something you need to setup on your LAN. You would only need a telnetapp on your device
Though I must say... Unless I was in a DIRE need for exposing my WHOLE system for outside access I would NEVER even dream of using a telnetserver on ANY of my systems (except on my linuxbox, hehe). Its a disaster waiting to happen There are fare better choices to use than telnet.
Regarding the file-sharing (SMB) you spoke of. Even if we disregard the fact that SMB is not a very secure protocol, the main thing that speaks against that MS would incorporate such a feature is... since MS doesnt even provide filesystem-access ON the device, why should they do it through SMB? I am pretty sure you can forget that one, at least out-of-the-box, maybe if its unlocked and through some obscure 3rdpartyapp.
Just my two cents...
Moving to general.
Skatingn330 said:
The following are the features NEEDED before I adopt WP7 as my new smartphone OS.
1. Rooted device.
2. Rooted windows share Local network access.
3. File explored => than iFile
3. Phone theme app similar to winterboard for iPhone.
4. DLNA in all forms.
5. True windows live Mesh.
6. Zune updated via explorer, no tethered or untethered syncing needed.
7. Push everything.
8. App pirating scene => apptrackr.org for iPhone.
9. Video game console emulation from all the greats.
10. IE download manager.
11. Video chat.
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1. Might happen, but a strange requirement
2. Don't understand this one?
3. You're not getting this, the phone don't have a traditional filesystem.
3_. You're not getting this either.
4. Microsoft is a promoter of DLNA
5. It's being merged to SkyDrive, and is supported at launch
6. Won't be possible with the explorer, but it will with the Zune desktop client.
7. The notification-system is based on push.
8. Microsoft is a large company with a long history of anti-piracy. You'll might get in trouble here
9. Write some XNA wrapper for it then!
10. I'd suspect there will be a form of management of downloads and downloaded files.
11. None of the 1. generation phones have a camera on the front side, so you'll have to wait. But software-wise it's supported from day one.
smuppy said:
Though I must say... Unless I was in a DIRE need for exposing my WHOLE system for outside access I would NEVER even dream of using a telnetserver on ANY of my systems (except on my linuxbox, hehe). Its a disaster waiting to happen There are fare better choices to use than telnet.
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Im pretty new to networking but wouldnt using a VPN serve the purpose of what he is wanting? Im not familiar with telnet hardly at all (expect for watching star wars episode 4 that i stumbled across google, haha) but it sounds like a VPN would do what hes looking for. Which WM, the iphone (from what i understand anyways), and im hoping WP7 does. Plus its much MUCH more secure then telnet in even its most basic form of PPTP.
I've gone to a couple WP7 training courses and whenever the developers ask about having access to parts of the OS and things of that nature, the microsoft rep mentions theres a OEM SDK. That SDK is unavailble to normal developers and only available to OEMs. If any very resourceful xda members got ahold of that SDK and leaked it, we would see some very interesting apps! It would be a great start to a jailbroken/rooted app store or something of that nature. Just offer all the great apps that wouldn't normally get approved by MSFT. ie wifi tethering, emulators....
Unless you can magically make sideloading happen, this will not work.
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[...] It would be a great start to a jailbroken/rooted app store or something of that nature. Just offer all the great apps that wouldn't normally get approved by MSFT. ie wifi tethering, emulators....
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I think that the OP is counting on some kind of "jailbreak" will solve that problem
(and so am I)
Actually if you have your phone registered as a dev phone, you kind of have a jailbroken one. Because you have the freedom to put any xap on you want.
It's just going to be the standard WindowsCE dev environment, right? All the WinCE libraries are on the phone, anyway. If you have Visual Studio, I think you can download the WindowsCE version from Microsoft, at least the trial version. Look around, you'll find it.
There's still a limit on the number of apps you can load. I believe it's 10 apps.
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Actually if you have your phone registered as a dev phone, you kind of have a jailbroken one. Because you have the freedom to put any xap on you want.
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Unless you can magically make sideloading happen, this will not work.
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Wait, but it will still require you to stay in the silverlight/XNA jailbox, right?
Yes, yes, yes.. There are multiple versions of this thread floating around.. and Yes I did a search for them but none of them are quite what I was looking for. I've been seeing and reading things recently, ok the article isn't so recent but me reading it is. Anyway, It talks about being able to compile recent iphone apps for use on Android phones. I know they are written in certain language (objective-c) and Androids are (java).. But, as stated on that site:
“Well with no code changes, about 2 hours to have the graphics tweaked (thanks to @pneal), I was able to port Happy Peg over to Android.”
In regards to why I want this... I want to be able to play Urban Rivals on my android.. Yes, this can be played by just going to there website, but it runs extremely slow and it wasn't meant for people with sausage fingers like myself.
So I guess the Question would be.. Would you be able to Decompile an iphone app and recompile for Adobe AIR and then use that app on an android phone?
I appreciate the support and look forward to seeing some constructive thoughts on the matter.
You know what I want? CANABALT! They made it for the iPhone and not Android and im pissed.
Just found this Video on Youtube. A company is developing a way to convert Objective-C or Java (and others) into and out of HMLVN. So this would allow converting of iphone apps to Android apps.
http://xmlvm.org/overview/ IS there website.. They say the only way to download the source code is subversion.. but I don't know what that means.
Subversion: method by which governments control their sheeple. See WMD's.
Absolutely no help there leebo.
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Just found this Video on Youtube. A company is developing a way to convert Objective-C or Java (and others) into and out of HMLVN. So this would allow converting of iphone apps to Android apps.
http://xmlvm.org/overview/ IS there website.. They say the only way to download the source code is subversion.. but I don't know what that means.
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See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subversion_(software)
According to WPcentral:
Sounds like an innocent blog that reviews apps right? Well the concerns from the Twitter posts is that not only does the site review apps but it also contains download links for the .xap file that is residing on Microsoft's servers.
Even if you download the .xap file, it's going to take some effort to get it installed to your Windows Phone 7.
You will need the developer tools and device that is unlocked for development. While the developer tools are free, you have to be a registered developer to get an unlocked device. You CAN however download the .xap and rename it as a .zip and look at the structure of the app, though we're 99% sure that the real "code" of the app is compiled/encoded/encrypted.
Not many will be able to do much with this downloadable file. That is unless you're a developer looking to download free apps from other developers. Still, one has to wonder why it's so easy for a third party site to provide download links to Marketplace apps.
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They are talking about the website: http://winmobile7.apphab.com/
Kind of a strange site. They are offering free downloads of paid marketplace applications. Unless you are a developer, you can't do anything with it. But it's still strange...
This sounds like a good way to get in a lot of trouble. I would bet Microsoft can see what apps are installed when the phone checks for marketplace app updates even if you side load it as a developer.
And its still live and offering files to download. Shoddy MS security on display, extremely troubling for devs.
Hopefully Microsoft will look into that site and any similar sites.
We cant have developers loosing money because of these people.
I can't see where you download apps - if its real why not post a link on http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsphone7/threads ?
It says it's for free and trial versions. Isn't it pointless to provide download files anyway since you can only install apps via the Marketplace?
****, they have my app on there, not happy
my app does support trial, I'm not seeing anything about xap downloads, hopefully this means the breach has been fixed and not that I'm looking in the wrong place
I don't mind free publicity, but I put many hours into that and don't want it spread around in such a way (free, unauthorized downloads, raw code)
Definitely not cool for developers. One issue is that all the apps are silverlight and are only compiled to MSIL. Pop open the binaries with Reflector and you've basically got the source code. All devs should utilize Dotfuscator to at least help with this.
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my app does support trial, I'm not seeing anything about xap downloads, hopefully this means the breach has been fixed and not that I'm looking in the wrong place
I don't mind free publicity, but I put many hours into that and don't want it spread around in such a way (free, unauthorized downloads, raw code)
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It looks like the site that had the links (http://winmobile7.apphab.com) took down the link to the XAPs but I bet the issue is still there. It was a pretty simple URL to the Microsoft server. You just had to know the application's GUID and you could download the XAP.
I don't see how this makes them free... you can easily see you need a registered dev device, I doubt it makes the app "free" because there is a fee you must pay.
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And its still live and offering files to download. Shoddy MS security on display, extremely troubling for devs.
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Microsoft can check your device and see if you have pirated software on it, just like they do for XBox live. They already have the infrastructure in place and if you pirate be prepared to have your phone banned from Marketplace, Zune, XBox Live, etc.
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Definitely not cool for developers. One issue is that all the apps are silverlight and are only compiled to MSIL. Pop open the binaries with Reflector and you've basically got the source code. All devs should utilize Dotfuscator to at least help with this.
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...-with-preemptive-solutions-for-analytics.aspx
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Any decent develper will Obfuscate the code. If they didn't, they were kind of asking for it since it's hot hard to intercept data being downloaded over WiFi, etc. The fact that it can only come from the market was never enough to stop people from getting their hands on the files downloaded from said market.
It's no different than any other platform that uses a VM architecture (Android, WP7, WM 6.x .NET CF, Java ME, etc.).
I found my own app there. I don't however see a download link?
--edit: Nvm, should've read the thread to its end.
What is the URL? To replace with GUID or XAP filename? Could always use archive.org.
i guys!i have a mega pack xap installers with games and apps.
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is a method to decrypt files xap
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I went on miniclips.com and none of those flash games work. I have 8.1 preview and other flash sites work well. How can I run flash games on my surface rt.
Care to be even vaguely more specific than "none of those flash games work"? Like, what actually happens? Also, did you try any *other* flash game sites, or just that one?
It is not our job to get the info we need in order to help you ourselves. In fact, it's not our job to help you at all. If you want help for something like this (i.e. your personal problem), don't make us go do a bunch of work.
Microsoft do still have a blacklist in place for sites which are known to not work well or contain malware (which miniclip has had before).
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Care to be even vaguely more specific than "none of those flash games work"? Like, what actually happens? Also, did you try any *other* flash game sites, or just that one?
It is not our job to get the info we need in order to help you ourselves. In fact, it's not our job to help you at all. If you want help for something like this (i.e. your personal problem), don't make us go do a bunch of work.
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Okay, on minicips and other flash sites, I get this error "This game cannot be played on this computer. Supported Platforms: Windows and OSX "
Its not only miniclips its an array of flash sites. Try searching robot rage into google and try to play it. The sites that host that game would just give you that error. Please try it on your rt.
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Okay, on minicips and other flash sites, I get this error "This game cannot be played on this computer. Supported Platforms: Windows and OSX "
Its not only miniclips its an array of flash sites. Try searching robot rage into google and try to play it. The sites that host that game would just give you that error. Please try it on your rt.
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Well, it looks like Robot Rage on miniclip.com and gameflare.com require the unity web player, so it looks like it isn't a flash game. My 8.0 RT doesn't know what to do with the ".application" file it asks to download, which probably is compiled for x86 anyway. If other games on miniclip.com use the same thing then that would explain it. Not sure what is up with it on gamezhero.com. Looks like there is a facebook version... have you tried that version? All the other facebook games I've ever tried used flash, so maybe the facebook version of this one will too... I can't believe I'm sort of recommending a facebook game...
malberti1993 said:
Okay, on minicips and other flash sites, I get this error "This game cannot be played on this computer. Supported Platforms: Windows and OSX "
Its not only miniclips its an array of flash sites. Try searching robot rage into google and try to play it. The sites that host that game would just give you that error. Please try it on your rt.
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Robot rage isn't flash....
8 Ball Pool Multiplayer at miniclip.com works fine for me in RT, so not all games there fail to work. As mentioned, Robot Rage and some other games use a web player called Unity 3D, which is only for Windows (x86/x64) and OS X (as it says when you try to play them), so there's nothing that you can do about that, other than buy a Surface Pro.
Happy wheels work fine for me.. There'd one flash game for ya
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Also an FYI, don't use the tile version of IE, use the desktop version as it works way better....the tile version of IE is more finicky!
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Also an FYI, don't use the tile version of IE, use the desktop version as it works way better....the tile version of IE is more finicky!
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I don't really use the metro version of IE to browse, I'm used to the desktop version and stick with that.
In all most flash games lag. Is there a way to combat that?
Thanks
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I don't really use the metro version of IE to browse, I'm used to the desktop version and stick with that.
In all most flash games lag. Is there a way to combat that?
Thanks
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If the game has any settings available try and turn fancy effects and things off. One of the reasons that flash wasn't always available under the old whitelist rules for windows RT was because flash on an RT tablets ARM processor just isn't as quick as on an x86 processor in a normal windows PC, some flash games lag on intel atom processors which still outperform the ARM platform for flash performance. Another reason was flash utilities often not playing nicely with touch. Now microsoft have lifted the whitelist and switched to a blacklist for websites which are known to be malicious instead.
Yeah... frankly, the only solution for the lag (short of some kind of optimizing of the Flashplayer which we obviously cannot do) is to use a faster CPU than 1.3GHz ARM. Yes, it's quad-core, but Flash doesn't really make good use of that (everything *else* gets shoved to the other cores, but the applet itself still runs on just one) and clock-for-clock, ARM is less powerful than any modern x86.
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Also an FYI, don't use the tile version of IE, use the desktop version as it works way better....the tile version of IE is more finicky!
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FWIW, it seems to me that this has been greatly improved in IE11 (which comes with Windows 8.1). The Metro and desktop versions seem rather identical to me in performance and compatibility. In one stark case, I could view a javascript-based subscriber area of a local website in IE10's desktop mode, but not in its Metro mode. Now, in IE11, I can view it in both, and the performance feels the same. I haven't done a whole lot of browsing, but, so far, I haven't yet come across a site that's been more usable in IE11's desktop mode than in Metro mode. Others may have different experiences, but that's been mine... so far.
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I could view a java-based subscriber area.
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Java and javascript are not one and the same, their similarity ends at the name. Remember that in future. Windows RT + internet explorer flat out do not support java.
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Java and javascript are not one and the same, their similarity ends at the name. Remember that in future. Windows RT + internet explorer flat out do not support java.
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I know that. I meant javascript. Sometimes people who know better misspeak and would appreciate not being talked down to. Remember that in the future.