hi,
i have a desire with amoled screen, s-off, cm7r2.
yesterday some google programs started to give error and fc. then i restart my phone but it didnt open. then i try to delete dalvik cache and try to reboot but same. after that i try to restore backup, however it freezes at some place while restore.i tried also install new rom, but it freezes at some place again. how can i handle the problem? do you have any suggestion?
polatkanfatih said:
hi,
i have a desire with amoled screen, s-off, cm7r2.
yesterday some google programs started to give error and fc. then i restart my phone but it didnt open. then i try to delete dalvik cache and try to reboot but same. after that i try to restore backup, however it freezes at some place while restore.i tried also install new rom, but it freezes at some place again. how can i handle the problem? do you have any suggestion?
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May be a motherboard fault, or a broken ext partition. Do you use an ext partition?
yes, i have ext3 1gb... i try to partition sd card again via clockworkmod, it says done but nothing change. data inside it exist still. and problem continues.
polatkanfatih said:
yes, i have ext3 1gb... i try to partition sd card again via clockworkmod, it says done but nothing change. data inside it exist still. and problem continues.
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Partition it again using the guide in my sig.
Clockworkmod recovery cant partition very well so that could be ur problem like abaaaabbbb63 says, change ur recovery to 4ext recovery and then partition ur sdcard with abaaaabbbb63 guide.
thanks for all, i tried format my sd card in linux with gparted but it always gave error. in windows, i can see the files inside it but cannot copy or open them. i tried to format in windows but it says "windows unable to format the card". evetually, i bought new card, format it and it worked. now, my broken card is 32 gb class 10 samsung, i dont want to throw it. how can i fix it? any suggestions?
Odp: my desire doesnt open
polatkanfatih said:
thanks for all, i tried format my sd card in linux with gparted but it always gave error. in windows, i can see the files inside it but cannot copy or open them. i tried to format in windows but it says "windows unable to format the card". evetually, i bought new card, format it and it worked. now, my broken card is 32 gb class 10 samsung, i dont want to throw it. how can i fix it? any suggestions?
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Try to repartition it using 4ext recovery.
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Hi, i am trying to install app2sd using the Nimbu guide found here : http://nimbu.amorvi.com/2010/05/how-to-root-your-htc-desire/
However, when i follow that guide and start to flash from the sd card, i get this error:
E:Can't symlink /system/xbin/[
E:Failure at line5:
symlink busybox SYSTEM:xbin/[
The card i am using to flash the app2sd is NOT partitioned. Is this an issue?
Here is some other info on my phone
- i have an orange phone, but i reflashed to the 1.21.... generic rom
- After installing this rom, i flashed the radio back to this one: update-bravo-radio-32.30.00.28U_4.05.00.11-signed.zip
If you need any more info let me know and thanks for your help
ok, just to update this...
i have now managed to install app2sd by reinstalling rootedupdate.zip
HOWEVER, now when i turn my phone on it just goes to the white HTC screen and hangs there, it doesnt ever boot up. Can anyone shed any light as to why its doing this and how i can fix it?
i have partitioned the SD card and did install it with a goldcard
in the mean time im gonna flash back to a non app2sd rom
anyone know why it might be doing this? it just hangs on the white htc splash screen straight after powering on
gyro11 said:
anyone know why it might be doing this? it just hangs on the white htc splash screen straight after powering on
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If you are stuck in a boot loop, then like you suggested, it's most likely because you have not partitioned the SD Card.
You only need to create a Gold Card if your phone is software branded and is running a non-generic rom.
but ive rebooted the phone with a partitioned SD card and that doesnt work...Does the card i install App2sd need to be partioned?
gyro11 said:
but ive rebooted the phone with a partitioned SD card and that doesnt work...Does the card i install App2sd need to be partioned?
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You replace the Gold Card sd card with your normal sd card. Then in recovery, you need to partition your SD card, this is for the benefit of allocating extra space with the ext partition, which is used specifically for the installation of App data.
That's why it is recommened to set a 0MB swap, ext2 with 512MB (for apps), and the rest of the partition to FAT32.
Make sure you wipe Factory Reset, Dalvik, Cache, SD:EXT and then flash the ROM. After you have done this and while you are still in recovery (don't reboot phone yet), install Apps2SD zip (only if you are installing a ROM that does not include Apps2SD). Power off phone and then insert your sd card into the phone (not the Gold Card). You then enter Recovery Mode again and partition the SD card accordingly.
ok, but im not sure your understanding (i might be wrong...)
I have 2 sd cards....1 which is a gold card which is NOT partitioned and contains the install file for app2sd
and 1 which is the sdcard i run in my phone under normal operation.
I am ONLY using the non partitioned card to install app2sd. As soon as it is installed i remove this card and insert the Partitioned card
Does this make sense? So i know that a partioned sd card Must be used when running the phone with apps2sd, but do i need a Partioned goldcard just to install it? i can i just use a standard goldcard for the installation (and then put in the partioned card after installation) (note...i am using a goldcard as i have an orange uk desire with a generic rom)
Ah yes i understand you now. Yep, the Gold Card should not be partitioned, only formatted as FAT32. After you have used the Gold Card to install Apps2SD, you then insert the other SD card and partition using that.
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ok, so that is how i had it, with the partioned sdcard, but i am still getting the white htc splash screen and not getting any further. Any idea why this might be happening?
im installing it on the 1.21... update
try ext3 , NOT ext2
that did it for me.
rhedgehog said:
try ext3 , NOT ext2
that did it for me.
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Do you mean to select the option:
SD:ext2 to ext3
as i have already done that and it didnt work
Hmm... strange...
Have you tried repartitioning your sd card? Set the values for swap and ext to zero, then check to see if it boots ok.
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Hmm... strange...
Have you tried repartitioning your sd card? Set the values for swap and ext to zero, then check to see if it boots ok.
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nope, just tried with these settings and unfortunately still no luck. I even tried it without any sdcard in there at all and still the same result.
Could the radio version have anything to do with it? as (other than the update) thats the only other thing ive flashed to it
gyro11 said:
nope, just tried with these settings and unfortunately still no luck. I even tried it without any sdcard in there at all and still the same result.
Could the radio version have anything to do with it? as (other than the update) thats the only other thing ive flashed to it
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What Radio version did you flash exactly? I don't think that would cause a problem unless you flashed an incompatible version. Are you running Bootloader 0.75.0000 or 0.80.0000?
I would suggest you flash back to stock Radio and then flash back to stock ROM also, as this will restore the stock Kernel. Then after that, carefully take it step by step and try again.
From the steps you have carried out, it all sounds ok to me. When you attempt this again after returning everything to stock, try a ROM that already includes Apps2SD, leaving you to just partition the SD card (after wiping and flashing the custom ROM while in Recovery).
The rom im using is the rootupdate base (1.15) with the 1.21... generic rom manually installed.
I then flashed the following radio:
update-bravo-radio-32.30.00.28U_4.05.00.11-signed.zip
This is really annoying as im finding myself flashing my phone daily now to get this working. I appreciate all your help but i think now im just gonna wait for a stable release of froyo to come onto the forums and update with that
Thats the stock radio version that you re-flashed so don't see how that would cause a problem.
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Installed adamg`s open desire rom and after installing cant seem to get the phone to boot, just stuck on htc screen. Tried to restore my nandroid backup but does the same thing after installation.
It does give an error after installation in the custom recovery, it reads
Restoring Sd-ext...
E:Can`t mount/dev/block/mmcblk0p2(file exists )
erroe mounting /sd-ext/!
Skipping format...
E:Can`t mount/dev/block/mmcblk0p2(file exists )
erroe mounting /sd-ext/!
Skipping format...
Have a partition installed 512mb taht was working fine today?
If I did a factory reset would i lose my custom recover and backups?
Any ideas
memphisuklf said:
Installed adamg`s open desire rom and after installing cant seem to get the phone to boot, just stuck on htc screen. Tried to restore my nandroid backup but does the same thing after installation.
It does give an error after installation in the custom recovery, it reads
Restoring Sd-ext...
E:Can`t mount/dev/block/mmcblk0p2(file exists )
erroe mounting /sd-ext/!
Skipping format...
E:Can`t mount/dev/block/mmcblk0p2(file exists )
erroe mounting /sd-ext/!
Skipping format...
Have a partition installed 512mb taht was working fine today?
If I did a factory reset would i lose my custom recover and backups?
Any ideas
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double check your partitions, make sure you have FAT32 + EXT3 @512mb then flash the chosen rom again, this is your best chance.
go with my rom, linked through my signature, the update will wipe the Cache + dalvik cache but keep all of you personal data and apps.
LeeDroid said:
double check your partitions, make sure you have FAT32 + EXT3 @512mb then flash the chosen rom again, this is your best chance.
go with my rom, linked through my signature, the update will wipe the Cache + dalvik cache but keep all of you personal data and apps.
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How do i check the partitions? Cant boot so can`t see them that way and haven't got card reader or anything. Im sure its got something to do with partition. Does this seem like it is causing the problem?
Any help appreciated.
bump, need help
have you wiped everything before flash?
I wiped with rom manager after downloading rom. Not sure of all the custom recovery options as rom manager usually does it all for you. Not sure if i should wipe date, cache etc, will this wipe my backups? Tried removing sd card but wont boot, not even sure how I would get another custom rom on sd card so i could flash that. I have both defrost 2.4a and opendesire aswell as a nandroid backup on my sd card but can't get these to boot either
Must be something to do with the sd card partition. Everything I try I get the message
E:Can`t mount/dev/block/mmcblk0p2(file exists)
error mounting sd/ext/!
Don't know what this means but think its causing the problem.
perhaps a bad sector on the SD?
try backing up everything on the SD, format it again & try the roms one by one to see which possible causes the issue
U need to try an alternative recovery.
Try using unrevoked, and flash and different recovery.
Sounds like the fake flash recovery u got with rom manager Isn't clearing ur partitions.
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My Wife has got same phone so I have full sd card backup from before I partition this morning. Might format sd card and put that back on. and restore backup from that. Format will remove partition wont it?
memphisuklf said:
My Wife has got same phone so I have full sd card backup from before I partition this morning. Might format sd card and put that back on. and restore backup from that. Format will remove partition wont it?
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usually does some programs allow you to keep it tho but 90% of the cases its just gone
formatted card through windows but its still saying i only have 3.18gb. How do I get rid of partition?
memphisuklf said:
formatted card through windows but its still saying i only have 3.18gb. How do I get rid of partition?
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in Windows XP Disk Management, right-click the existing partition,
and click delete, that will leave the whole card as unallocated space. Then
right-click on the unallocated space, and click new partition.
edit : or install http://www.sdcard.org/consumers/formatter/sdfv2000.zip
free SD partitioner
in disk management it only shows the size as 3.18gb, I made the partition through rom manager which I think formats it in linux which windows doesn't recognise.
Taking the Sd card out gets in onto the animation screen, so a little further, but still doesn't boot. Very frustrating. \\\\\any more help appreciated.
Flash a ROM that doesn't use Apps2SD.
can you link one for me pal, ripping my hair out here, lol. By the way how do you do full wipe in custom recovery ie data, cache, is that it?
edit. Don't matter. Sorted. Copied an earlier backup of sd card onto spare sd card and did a recovery. Still need to know how to remove the partition from other sd card using windows.
This was definitely the problem and won't be using rom manager to do another partition.
If someone does know how to remove partitions using rom manager from sd card via windows then would appreciate it if you would let me know...
Stock rooted ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=694564
Full wipe can be done using the "wipe data/factory reset" option in ClockworkMod Recovery.
To get rid of the ext Partition get gparted or something like that. Normal Windows cant see ext partitions because its a Linux filesystem. You can also take a Linux live cd.
Can't you just take ROM Manager and partition your SD card again? Swap 0/Ext 0/FAT 32 All
It looks like something isnt ok with the partitions so i would recommend to delete all partitions and make them new i also had a problem once with my sd card but after deleting all partitions and repartition it everything was ok again.
Hi, I have problem guys.
After some problems reported under roms with A2sd+ when sdcard corrupted I decided to flash different rom. Before that I tried to format my sdcard so that ext3 partition would go away. But after that I couldn't boot.
Now I can get to recovery, but have no access to the card at all. Unfortunately I have no card reader at home either, so I cant reformat my card and try to flash another rom either.
Any suggestions what should I go next? Thank you so much!
Wont boot up without sdcard either... DAMN
.:george:. said:
Hi, I have problem guys.
After some problems reported under roms with A2sd+ when sdcard corrupted I decided to flash different rom. Before that I tried to format my sdcard so that ext3 partition would go away. But after that I couldn't boot.
Now I can get to recovery, but have no access to the card at all. Unfortunately I have no card reader at home either, so I cant reformat my card and try to flash another rom either.
Any suggestions what should I go next? Thank you so much!
Wont boot up without sdcard either... DAMN
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If you can get into recovery you can "mount USB storage".. all depends wether you are running windows/linux/mac from there... try to scan and fix it
Before you wrote I tried to do RUU, will report how it goes...
Edit: oh man, RUU seemed to be working, I am now running stock 2.1 ROM... sdcard appears to work normally too.
Thanks for your interest anyway, I really appreciate it
Just buy a card reader, they're a couple bucks.
Then install your choice of free advanced drive manager software, delete all the partitions, create a new one, and format it FAT32 with 32k clusters.
Ok, I've searched everywhere and I cant find an answer so I've come here for help.
I've got a Telstra Branded HTC desire, been rooted and is running Leeroid 2.3 for the last month and its been great. Just bought a new 32gb SDHC to replace my old 8gb. Put it in my phone and detected it without a problem, was able to run "ClockWorkMod" to install a partition for A2SD "512mb ext, 0mb swap". Booted recovery, backed up, wiped the factory/data, Wiped Partition Cache and Wiped Dalvik Cache.
Now here's the problem
After all that is done I reboot from recovery mode, The phone hangs at the First Telstra Logo "The White HTC screen for original Rom". Take the 32gb SDHC out and put the old 8gb and it boots normally, take the 8gb out and have no memory and it boots normally.
Anyone know what the problem is? I've been re-installing the Rom on both the 8gb and 32gb, Re-Formatted the 32gb, copied all the files from the 8gb to 32gb and ran a full nandroid backup and still have the same problem........
While Restoring a copy of the backup from the 8gb on the 32gb, I got two things that are missing according to the check.
".android_secure.img not found. Skipping restore of /sdcard/.android_secure."
"sd-ext.img not found. Skipping restore of sd-ext/."
Spent the last 5 hours fiddling around with the phone but getting really frustrated, any help or a solution would be great
Thanks
It is definitely your SD Card.
However, a nandroid restore should work.
And from some reason you miss some files from your backup. The EXT.img is vital to make the ROM Run.
It does not even boot if you flash the ROM again after a full wipe?
nagypapi said:
It is definitely your SD Card.
However, a nandroid restore should work.
And from some reason you miss some files from your backup. The EXT.img is vital to make the ROM Run.
It does not even boot if you flash the ROM again after a full wipe?
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When you mean full wipe, thats re-installing the rom from the 32gb SDHC or do I have to format something in Recovery Mode?
I donno why it cant find the EXT.img when I do the backup, if all fails I might as well throw out the SD card since its purpose was just for the phone......=_=
Yeah, a copied backup from the 8gb on the 32gb does the same thing, just hangs on the white splash logo thingy
Why not just wipe everything and start from scratch? Bit of a pain but if it works, it works.
Meaple said:
Why not just wipe everything and start from scratch? Bit of a pain but if it works, it works.
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I am willing to do that, the thing is whenever I put the 32gb card in my phone, it just hangs on the first set of logo's.
I've copied the Leeroid to the root of the 32gb, wiped the Factory/Data, Partition Cache and so on.
Go into install from zip and select Leeroid 3.2d.zip and run that. It finishes installing and asks me to reboot. I reboot manually and it loads the first set of logos and hangs.......
I've put the memstick in the phone and it worked before I partitioned it for A2SD. After that, its just been chaos, Im using the 8gb stick again so I can make calls an all but 32gb would be great to use =_=
If there's anyway to get this thing up and running on the 32gb. Doesnt matter if I have to start from scratch, as long if it works. That would be great ^_^
SD CARD = your 32 GB card
1. Partiton your SD CARD for A2SD+ (512MB Ext3 minimum)
2. Put SD CARD in the phone, copy Leedroid_a2sd.zip (or whatever it is) to the card.
3. In recovery wipe everything (data(factory reset)/cahce/dalvik cache) - dalvik is found under the advanced menu.
4. Install Leedroid 2.3
5. First boot takes 5-15 mins, so just wait.
nagypapi said:
SD CARD = your 32 GB card
1. Partiton your SD CARD for A2SD+ (512MB Ext3 minimum)
2. Put SD CARD in the phone, copy Leedroid_a2sd.zip (or whatever it is) to the card.
3. In recovery wipe everything (data(factory reset)/cahce/dalvik cache) - dalvik is found under the advanced menu.
4. Install Leedroid 2.3
5. First boot takes 5-15 mins, so just wait.
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I've got the 32gb SD Card working again, turns out that the partition I created on ClockWorkMod was corrupted. Rejoined the Partition, Wiped everything and installed Leeroid 2.3 and it works fine and the phone picks up the memory.
New Problem
I cannot get ClockWorkMod to create the partition since it automatically reboots the phone every time I attempt it and I get an black screen with an android/! picture.
Im using Gparted to create the A2SD partition but each time I create one I get an error
Unable to detect file system! Possible reasons are:
- The File System is Damaged
- The File System is Unknown to Gparted
- There is no file system available
- The device entry /dev/sdc2 is missing
I'm assuming that the SDHC I bought, for some reason doesn't allow me to create a partition? If that is the case, is there any work around to install apps to the SDHC. The Desire is such an awesome phone but it lacks the internal memory
nagypapi, I know I'm asking too many questions but your help means a lot
What card is it? If it was a cheap one, it can cause problems.
And partition it from the phone using GParted.
Boot into recovery, mount USB storage. And the run Gparted.
Remove both partitions, and create new ones from scratch.
If GParted still gives an error, try to format it on the PC.
nagypapi said:
What card is it? If it was a cheap one, it can cause problems.
And partition it from the phone using GParted.
Boot into recovery, mount USB storage. And the run Gparted.
Remove both partitions, and create new ones from scratch.
If GParted still gives an error, try to format it on the PC.
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I bought the SDHC from eBay, doesn't have a brand but it works apart from the whole partition thingy.
I got the error when I format the SDHC on the computer with card reader, I'll have a go with the USB Storage on the phone recovery mode. Donno if it will make a difference but I'll give it a shot anyways, I cant do it now since I have work tomorrow but I'll attempt it while I'm working and get back to you
Sounds like a defective card, send it back, if possible. Never use "unbranded" cards.
Before installing a Custom ROM on my rooted Desire I am trying to sort out the SDCard as required but am running into problems.
The guides I've read say to change the size of the Fat32 partition on my card to allow an Ext partition. The trouble is in GParted my card just comes up as 'unallocated'.
If I do format it to Fat32 and add an Ext partition (both Primary) once I put my recovery files (and or update.zip for custom ROM) on the card and enter CWM Recovery it doesnt see the files. It just says 'no files found'.
At one point my phone said it couldn't mount SD Card. This even occured when booting phone as usual as no memory card was showing up.
Has anyone else had this problem?
Well I've spent about three hours on this again today still to no avail.
I tried formatting the card in recovery then brought it up in gparted. The card was still showing up as 'unallocated' and when I created the Fat32/Ext partitions the card once again failed to be read by recovery. Although Windows has no problem seeing it.
Eventually my phone and gparted couldnt see or mount the card at all. After running my phone and formatting the card it eventually saw it.
I thought the problem may be because I connected my card to gparted through the phone so tried a card reader but the card reader didn't appear to work. I don't know if the difference I explained is important.
Is it feasible to install a decent custom rom with A2SD with the partition created through recovery? (which gparted also didnt see) as I am having an absolute headache with gparted. Every work around I try just creates a new problem.
Try this: Use Gparted to partition whole card to 1 FAT32 primary partition and then partition it via 4ext recovery into two partitions as required.
Thanks, I'll try it once the kids give me some peace.
Its actually the Supernova 2.4.0.0 ROM I'm trying to install but if I do partition the SD Card with Ext4 Recovery when I do the required Full Wipe won't it go back to how it was? and then I'd have to setup the phone and install the app again to re-partition it? Would I be able to do this before I install the custom ROM?
Steveh8204 said:
Thanks, I'll try it once the kids give me some peace.
Its actually the Supernova 2.4.0.0 ROM I'm trying to install but if I do partition the SD Card with Ext4 Recovery when I do the required Full Wipe won't it go back to how it was? and then I'd have to setup the phone and install the app again to re-partition it? Would I be able to do this before I install the custom ROM?
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A full wipe doesnt repartition the card. It only formats some partitions. Partition first, then do a wipe and finally install the rom. Installation instructions for the rom are given on supernova.droidzone.in
Droidzone said:
A full wipe doesnt repartition the card. It only formats some partitions. Partition first, then do a wipe and finally install the rom. Installation instructions for the rom are given on supernova.droidzone.in
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By 'Full Wipe' do you mean the wipe data/factory reset from ClockworkMod Recovery?
Steveh8204 said:
By 'Full Wipe' do you mean the wipe data/factory reset from ClockworkMod Recovery?
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You were the one who mentioned a full wipe! I thought that was what you meant.
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You were the one who mentioned a full wipe! I thought that was what you meant.
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The installation instructions mention a full wipe but reading further it does mention a factory reset so its ok. Will let you know how I get on once the kids are in bed.
Right after some messing about I've had some success. I booted back into Android once I'd used GParted and after a while it saw my SD Card ok.
My Windows PC only saw 12.9GB (of a 16GB card), my phone saw the full 14.9gb in Android and GParted saw both partitions.
As I'd just done a factory reset and my PC saw my Phone I transferred the ROM File to my memory card and installed.
As I had downloaded the Extreme edition I followed the Classic install instructions as instructed and rebooted (after booting to android after install).
The LEd flashed green a couple of times as mentioned but then stopped and is now stuck on the htc screen.
Am I right the file I installed (Supernova_2.4.0.0_signed) is the classic version? Should I have downloaded a sepaerate file for the A2SD installer? The instructions don't seem to suggest this.
And most importantly how do I get my phone to work? lol, please help!
Update: Before I installed the ROM it was showing up correctly in GParted and in Windows it was only showing the Fat32 section which I assumed to be correct. After removing the battery I am back to starting up as normal (with the new Custom ROM) but the SD Card will not show up in GParted and will only allow me to use in Windows if I format first which I havent done. Therefore I can only conclude the file system has got lost somewhere which is why the A2SD installer crashed.
I've very happy with the improved ROM but I still don't have extra stoarge space which was the whole point in upgrading.
Any idea where I can go from here?
The file is right. However I cant suggest anything until you follow the proper reporting format and pull logs from your phone as per post #3 of supernova thread. The report should be filed in the Supernova thread or on the Supernova Forum at droid-force.com
Droidzone said:
The file is right. However I cant suggest anything until you follow the proper reporting format and pull logs from your phone as per post #3 of supernova thread. The report should be filed in the Supernova thread or on the Supernova Forum at droid-force.com
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OK fair enough will do, where do I post it though? just in the Help and troubleshooting thread I take it?
Steveh8204 said:
OK fair enough will do, where do I post it though? just in the Help and troubleshooting thread I take it?
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To be honest I'm starting to think the problem lies with CWM Recovery.
Is it easy to downgrade as I am on 4.0.1.4?
Steveh8204 said:
To be honest I'm starting to think the problem lies with CWM Recovery.
Is it easy to downgrade as I am on 4.0.1.4?
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Take my advice and move over to 4ext recovery.. It's the best atm.. you'll love it.
Edit:
I saw your post at droid-force.com and have responded to it there/