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i spoke to a guy at ATT the other day and he told me that theyre going to be releasing a new wp7 for att in late march/ early april...
its supposed to be 4g the whole 9 yards i guess..
has anybody else heard of this or have any details on it??
im running 2g on an unlocked tmobile hd7 and its be good to have a similiar phone running on H+ or at least 3g
Haven't heard anything myself. If they do, I just hope its an HTC solid body.
I read a rumor on a site(WMpower?) that the hd7 may be coming. Don't know if that would help you out though
Well.... the focus can do 4g speeds right now they just have it throttled down by default. So technically ATT already has a wp7 4g phone.
Focus 4G speed settings
I can tell you this much... Both my wife and I have the focus and after I applied the changes I was getting speeds on mobile speed test roughly 2 times faster then she was.... I was getting speeds between 2000 kbps (just under what they have 4G speeds at) and around 3000 kbps or more (well over what they have listed as 4G)
I just did a speed test a second ago and I'm at 2336 kbps.. my wife's is under 1000... same place.. same phone... way WAY different speeds
Aaron McCarthy said:
Well.... the focus can do 4g speeds right now they just have it throttled down by default. So technically ATT already has a wp7 4g phone.
Focus 4G speed settings
I can tell you this much... Both my wife and I have the focus and after I applied the changes I was getting speeds on mobile speed test roughly 2 times faster then she was.... I was getting speeds between 2000 kbps (just under what they have 4G speeds at) and around 3000 kbps or more (well over what they have listed as 4G)
I just did a speed test a second ago and I'm at 2336 kbps.. my wife's is under 1000... same place.. same phone... way WAY different speeds
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That's a bit misleading. The specs on the Samsung Focus state that it has HSDPA and HSUPA support, which equate to HSPA when both are enabled.
4G is considered to be LTE or WiMax (and even still, those technologies are considered pre-4G). The problem is that T-Mobile is marketing their HSPA+ network as a 4G network. Currently, Sprint has a 4G roadmap using Clear's WiMax network. Verizon has already begun building out their LTE network. AT&T is wrapping up their HSPA+ rollout before they begin on the LTE network. Since they are late in the marketing game, AT&T has gone to T-Mobile's level and marketed their HSPA+ network as 4G.
Ultimately, out of the 4 carriers above, T-Mobile will shoot themselves in the foot by not having a true 4G rollout plan and relying on marketing their HSPA+ network as 4G.
Bottomline -- Samsung Focus supports HSPA, not HSPA+ or LTE.
Michael.
I currently have a GSM Galaxy Nexus with a T- Mobile Prepaid Data plan ($30 - 5GB). I love the phone and service but I do live in an area were if I leave the city my signal drops to EDGE or nothing at all. I have been thinking about trying AT&T instead to help with reception issues.
Will switching to an AT&T plan help out with roaming? I check with T-Mobile and my current plan does not have roaming included.
Also, building penetration is extremely poor. Outside I can get between 5-6 mbps down and up. Going inside drops performance down to 1.5-2 mbps down and up. Is this a T-Mobile specific issue? Will switching to AT&T help with building penetration?
Building penetration is a gsm thing. Switch to CDMA if you want better penetration. Gsm goes further from the tower but is less effective through buildings
It actually has more to do with the spectrum you're using rather than CDMA vs. GSM. AT&T has deployed their 800mhz spectrum across much of the US and if you're using it rather than the 1900mhz spectrum they also use, your service will be better when in buildings. Also, GSM 3G is a WCDMA technology which makes the GSM vs. CDMA argument a moot point.
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I currently have a GSM Galaxy Nexus with a T- Mobile Prepaid Data plan ($30 - 5GB). I love the phone and service but I do live in an area were if I leave the city my signal drops to EDGE or nothing at all. I have been thinking about trying AT&T instead to help with reception issues.
Will switching to an AT&T plan help out with roaming? I check with T-Mobile and my current plan does not have roaming included.
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Well, the reason why your T-Mobile plan doesn't have roaming is because its Prepaid. Prepaid plans (with any carrier) very very very rarely include roaming. If you were to go to a full-price AT&T (proper) service, you'll be paying 3-4x as much as your Prepaid T-Mobile account, but yes you'll get better coverage.
If you simply choose to go to an AT&T MVNO Prepaid account (such as Straight Talk), you'll probably get better coverage (AT&T footprint is larger), although you don't get roaming still. It really does depend on your area and what carriers offer good service. In reality, AT&T could be just as bad as T-Mobile in your area.
Also, building penetration is extremely poor. Outside I can get between 5-6 mbps down and up. Going inside drops performance down to 1.5-2 mbps down and up. Is this a T-Mobile specific issue? Will switching to AT&T help with building penetration?
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It's because T-Mobile runs HSPA+ on AWS, which is 1700/2100mhz. The higher the frequency, the harder time it has getting through walls, hills, etc.. AT&T won't be dramatically better, as it runs on 850mhz & 1900mhz, so you'll still be relying on high mhz spectrum. It'll never fare inside buildings as well as Verizon and AT&T's LTE rollout, which is in the 700mhz band.
timgt said:
Building penetration is a gsm thing. Switch to CDMA if you want better penetration. Gsm goes further from the tower but is less effective through buildings
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Actually, it just depends on the frequency its running on...
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Building penetration is a gsm thing. Switch to CDMA if you want better penetration. Gsm goes further from the tower but is less effective through buildings
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lol, wrong. T-Mobile's 3G is on a higher frequency. (band IV)
To the OP: T-Mobile postpaid can sometimes roam on AT&T. Prepaid does not. Such is life with T-Mobile USA.
Not a big deal for me - I have great T-Mobile coverage - but certainly it's not good enough for people who don't spend a significant amount of time in densely-populated metropolitan areas.
Has anyone else found the following web site with instructions on setting up a 4G/3G/Edge switch on the Web
(Do a search to find the link)
I tired it and was able to get the switch, but I have not been able to try it on 4G(LTE) yet as I do not have LTE reception where I live and only have 3G (the phone says 4G, but I know it is 3G+) but will try it at work tomorrow where I can actually get LTE.
But one thing I noticed is that I cannot get EDGE service where I live. I heard that AT&T wanted to get rid of 2G (EDGE). Have they done that already?
Hre is the link:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/04/nokia-lumia-900-gets-edge-3g-4g-toggle/
Im not sure what you mean about trying it on 4G... the only choices are 4G (LTE) 3G or edge so you get one of the 3.
In my LTE market when I choose 4G I get LTE.
hx4700 Killer said:
Hre is the link:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/04/nokia-lumia-900-gets-edge-3g-4g-toggle/
Im not sure what you mean about trying it on 4G... the only choices are 4G (LTE) 3G or edge so you get one of the 3.
In my LTE market when I choose 4G I get LTE.
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On AT&T, there are 4 types of data. 2G/EDGE, 3G, "4G"/3G+/HSPA+ and LTE.
We all know about 2g and 3g, but many people like you don't know about the difference between "4g" and LTE.
This whole thing was started by T-Mobile, because this was the early days of LTE, and Sprint was advertising it's WiMax network as 4G, T-Mobile decided to use a technology called HSPA+ and brand it as 4G. Initially, AT&T scolded T-Mobile for this move, but as soon as it was decided HSPA+ could be considered 4G, AT&T rapidly built up a network of this, almost as large as their 3G network.
HSPA+ is basically a faster version of 3G, hence why it's often called 3G+. However, AT&T tries to advertise it as 4G so they can boast they have the largest 4G network, even though Verizon leads the charge with the most LTE sites. HSPA+ is a bit faster than 3G, but doesn't hold a candle to LTE. However, it does have it advantages, such as being compatible on the iPhone 4S, and unlike Verizon, on AT&T, if you loose LTE coverage, you can fall back on HSPA+, where as on Verizon you fall back on their CDMA network (Which is still slower than AT&T's GSM network).
So over all it's good and leads to faster overall experience, unless of course you're in LTE coverage 24/7, then it doesn't matter that much. My (and others) only problem with this is AT&T branding it as 4G, which tricks consumers.
These days, both AT&T and T-Mobile branded devices display "4G" for *any* UMTS connectivity, instead of 3G/H.
It's lame.
My 900 has this switch in the settings without the need for any hacks
you hit #data# and then hit the ... button at the bottom and set up the toggle between speeds. Then restart the device, go under settings>cellular> select data speed.
With this device's data speed selection, 2G= edge, 3g= HSPA+/UTMS, 4G= LTE. Eventhough ATT modified the registry so that UTMS shows 4G at the top of the device, when you select 3G in the speed selection, you are only making the phone connect to HSPA+/UTMS
hx4700 Killer said:
Hre is the link:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/04/nokia-lumia-900-gets-edge-3g-4g-toggle/
Im not sure what you mean about trying it on 4G... the only choices are 4G (LTE) 3G or edge so you get one of the 3.
In my LTE market when I choose 4G I get LTE.
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Hey, they stole my article that I originally posted on Mobility Digest. (www.mobilitydigest.com). They even took my screen shot. I purposely took that shot when my phone was showing "G". Oh well. Btw, it does work.
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About a month ago my area upgraded from EDGE to HSPA+. I finally decided to play with the speedtest.net app yesterday and I was only managing download speeds of maybe 1 or 2Mb, on a good test. This is enough for casual use, I suppose, but most people (on this board at least) seem to be getting much better speeds than that. A nearby area where the State University resides also produces similar speeds on my GNex and my previous phone (AT&T Galaxy S2).
Is this normal or do I need to change something on my phone?
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About a month ago my area upgraded from EDGE to HSPA+. I finally decided to play with the speedtest.net app yesterday and I was only managing download speeds of maybe 1 or 2Mb, on a good test. This is enough for casual use, I suppose, but most people (on this board at least) seem to be getting much better speeds than that. A nearby area where the State University resides also produces similar speeds on my GNex and my previous phone (AT&T Galaxy S2).
Is this normal or do I need to change something on my phone?
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1-3mbps is pretty normal for me indoors with 2-3 bars of signal, with 4-5 or so outdoors with better signal. I can only pull down those crazy numbers of 10+ with HSPA+ late at night when the towers aren't as busy. I'm in a small town, but we've had HSPA+ for a good year or more now (heck, I was on Verizon when it was switched on, so I don't know exactly how long...). Maybe your network is still getting upgraded / installed and the process isn't done yet?
I'm on the T-mobile $30 plan, by the way. I've heard AT&T's HSPA+ can be significantly slower in some places, so that may be part of it?
if they just rolled out the towers a month ago and upgraded to HSPA+, I'm not at all surprised by those speeds.
Att's hspa is notoriously slow compared to Tmo. I see between 6 and 18 mbps on my Tmo phones and my Att phones max out at around 6, averaging around 3.
For an area that just now got hspa turned on when the rest of the country is getting LTE, those speeds you are describing seem perfectly normal.
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I'm on T-Mobile and 1-2Mb is normal for me with 5 bars. If I'm extremely lucky I sometimes see 3Mb.
T-Mobile's "4G" in Phoenix is exactly the same speed as my 3G Vibrant.
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I'm on T-Mobile and 1-2Mb is normal for me with 5 bars. If I'm extremely lucky I sometimes see 3Mb.
T-Mobile's "4G" in Phoenix is exactly the same speed as my 3G Vibrant.
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True, location also plays a big role.
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I would be happy to get 6Mb down with AT&T in Austin. Max is about 3.1Mbps which I think is crap since we know it is capable of more. Interestingly, AT&T LTE in the same areas rock!
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Att's hspa is notoriously slow compared to Tmo. I see between 6 and 18 mbps on my Tmo phones and my Att phones max out at around 6, averaging around 3.
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Well that's also because T-Mobile has HSPA+ 42mbps deployed, and devices that can make use of it. Most AT&T devices are at best 21mbps capable, and not all of their towers are.
Depends on signal strength. On VZW LTE I can pull 20+ mbps in Seattle, but only 2-5 mbps in outlying areas.
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Depends on signal strength. On VZW LTE I can pull 20+ mbps in Seattle, but only 2-5 mbps in outlying areas.
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Well, we're talking about AT&T HSPA+ in here so...
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Well, we're talking about AT&T HSPA+ in here so...
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...so the thread title asked about 4g speeds. 4g = HSPA+ or LTE.
Winesnob said:
...so the thread title asked about 4g speeds. 4g = HSPA+ or LTE.
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"4g" in quotes, and OP specifically is talking about AT&T.
I'll have to run speedtest some more when I'm out of town and see what kind of numbers I can get. I would be interested to see what speeds a 3G phone gets in the same region as my "4G" Gnex (HSPA+ via AT&T, not LTE via Verizon).
LTE and 4G are the same? because i know that glide doesnt has lte, but when i use the mobile data, i see the 4G icon. i always have that question. thanks
4g is hsdpa+, which is slightly above 3g, but not quite 4g. It still is fast enough
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4g is hsdpa+, which is slightly above 3g, but not quite 4g. It still is fast enough
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Then , is better than 3.5G ? (here we know that like 3g and 3.5g). Thanks, for your help thats clear me that question (sorry for my english )
It pretty much is 3.5g.
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To give you an idea, LTE can "theoretically" max at 300 mbps (mbps = mega bits per second -- most carriers/ISP's provide this), which would translate to 37.5 megabytes/sec. Do you get that now? Very unlikely. Friends who have LTE are only getting around 24 mbps, which is still really fast.
HSPA+, which is what AT&T's "4G" (not 4G LTE -- it's the 3.5G) as well as T-Mobile's has a peak of about 42 mbps -- and I've seen folks here (Houston) get really close to that in speed -- which translates to a little over 5 megabytes/sec.
T-Mo and AT&T are actively working to get more and more LTE towers and service created (they have HSPA+). T-Mo hasn't rolled theirs out at all, except I think for testing in a few select, small markets, if I remember correctly. AT&T has service in LTE already established.
LTE is the way of the future at the moment. Kind of like the HD-DVD vs bluray debacle years ago -- LTE won out over another 4G technology, WiMax, which was on several earlier phones on Sprint. Sprint finally conceded it lost and start building out an LTE network to replace their WiMax one.
Hopefully, that's a NICE BIG chunk of knowledge that you can partially digest.
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To give you an idea, LTE can "theoretically" max at 300 mbps (mbps = mega bits per second -- most carriers/ISP's provide this), which would translate to 37.5 megabytes/sec. Do you get that now? Very unlikely. Friends who have LTE are only getting around 24 mbps, which is still really fast.
HSPA+, which is what AT&T's "4G" (not 4G LTE -- it's the 3.5G) as well as T-Mobile's has a peak of about 42 mbps -- and I've seen folks here (Houston) get really close to that in speed -- which translates to a little over 5 megabytes/sec.
T-Mo and AT&T are actively working to get more and more LTE towers and service created (they have HSPA+). T-Mo hasn't rolled theirs out at all, except I think for testing in a few select, small markets, if I remember correctly. AT&T has service in LTE already established.
LTE is the way of the future at the moment. Kind of like the HD-DVD vs bluray debacle years ago -- LTE won out over another 4G technology, WiMax, which was on several earlier phones on Sprint. Sprint finally conceded it lost and start building out an LTE network to replace their WiMax one.
Hopefully, that's a NICE BIG chunk of knowledge that you can partially digest.
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Ya it's a huge difference, put it like this;
We get 3mbps and LTE gets 30mbps. Of course I am over simplifying things but LTE is about 10X faster then 3G which is what we have.
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Ya it's a huge difference, put it like this;
We get 3mbps and LTE gets 30mbps. Of course I am over simplifying things but LTE is about 10X faster then 3G which is what we have.
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Depends on where they're deployed, though. At the moment, in my mind, though, HSPA+ is fast enough. LTE is nice and important for future-proofing, but I don't see a need for it for another... probably 3-5 years. Keep in mind, most people's home internet is like 3-12 mbps on average. HSPA+ current results for my city are WELL above this for all providers.
You realize that Cappy Glide can get HSPA+ which goes up to 42mbps -- you could theoretically download at > 5 megabytes/sec under ideal circumstances... I currently pull around 1-2 megabytes/sec... Why would you ever need more on this current gen -- especially with data-capping?
Just saying I have a friend on the same cellular provider as me and he has that new Windows Phone from Nokia on LTE and me with the glide. We did a speed test and I got around 2.5mbps and he got 25.mbps. I agree for everyday stuff 2.5 mbps is enough, but I just have to say I was drooling when I saw the speed he was getting on Rogers which is whoI have.
I have 2 years left on my Contract and I am happy with my Glide but for sure in 2 years I will make sure my next phone is a LTE device. I have a 6Gigs download cap so I am not to worried about caps after all it is a cell phone and 6 gigs should be plenty.
Fair enough -- seems that Rogers is much different as a carrier than the ones here in the US. I've had friends on HSPA+ on T-Mobile at like 30ish mbps and friends on LTE on Verizon at 35 mbps. It wasn't a super big difference. But until you hit double-digits on the speed, I can totally understand the drool you emit and why.
thanks, thats clear e a lot i always think that 4G was behind of lte but better than 3.5G, because my glide is the unique phone that i see with 4G icon (all the phones here only has 3G icon or H+ and the modems wcdma or Hsdpa) i am not in USA or Canada
I wouldnt say that 4G is HSDPA+ ..
Let's get back to begining ...
1. GSM (2G) 9.6 kbps,
2. GPRS (2G) 40 kbps
3. EDGE (2G) 120 kbps
4. WCDMA (3G) = UMTS and HSDPA 14Mbps
5. HSPA and HSUPA (3.5G) = HSPA+ 28Mbps (unreal speeds / market speeds)
6. DC-HSDPA (4G) 42Mbps and up (unreal speeds / market speeds)
7. OFDMA (LTE/WiMAX) 100Mbps (unreal speeds / market speeds)
Here is reality : http://www.zdnet.com/au/speed-test-how-fast-is-4g-really-7000007995/
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I wouldnt say that 4G is HSDPA+ ..
Let's get back to begining ...
1. GSM (2G) 9.6 kbps,
2. GPRS (2G) 40 kbps
3. EDGE (2G) 120 kbps
4. WCDMA (3G) = UMTS and HSDPA 14Mbps
5. HSPA and HSUPA (3.5G) = HSPA+ 28Mbps (unreal speeds / market speeds)
6. DC-HSDPA (4G) 42Mbps and up (unreal speeds / market speeds)
7. OFDMA (LTE/WiMAX) 100Mbps (unreal speeds / market speeds)
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That table is misleading. Most cablecos have rolled out DOCSIS3, capable of 50Mbps at the low end, yet you'd be lucky if there's a 20Mbps package available at all. VDSL is a similar story. Realistically, you're gonna see one, maybe two Mbps real-world, even on LTE. When you're talking about actual bandwidth delivered to your device, you won't see ANY improvement upgrading past UMTS. In the US market, all the benefits of the newer technologies are exclusively on the side of the carriers -- you will see nothing.
Stay on WiFi, folks.
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That table is misleading. Most cablecos have rolled out DOCSIS3, capable of 50Mbps at the low end, yet you'd be lucky if there's a 20Mbps package available at all. VDSL is a similar story. Realistically, you're gonna see one, maybe two Mbps real-world, even on LTE. When you're talking about actual bandwidth delivered to your device, you won't see ANY improvement upgrading past UMTS. In the US market, all the benefits of the newer technologies are exclusively on the side of the carriers -- you will see nothing.
Stay on WiFi, folks.
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Man I don't know what u talking your words are misleading.. sorry
roothorick said:
That table is misleading. Most cablecos have rolled out DOCSIS3, capable of 50Mbps at the low end, yet you'd be lucky if there's a 20Mbps package available at all. VDSL is a similar story. Realistically, you're gonna see one, maybe two Mbps real-world, even on LTE. When you're talking about actual bandwidth delivered to your device, you won't see ANY improvement upgrading past UMTS. In the US market, all the benefits of the newer technologies are exclusively on the side of the carriers -- you will see nothing.
Stay on WiFi, folks.
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Lololololololol now that I've laughed enough. Play an online game on UMTS and on LTE or download a file or game or video the come talk to me. LTE is not just for the benefits of the carriers.
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Lololololololol now that I've laughed enough. Play an online game on UMTS and on LTE or download a file or game or video the come talk to me. LTE is not just for the benefits of the carriers.
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OK u are the maaan
The Captivate Glide on AT&T in the US is capable of a rated 21Mbps maximum speed...I have one on a NET10/AT&T SIM in Los Angeles and have so far seen up to 11Mbps in speed tests, but it can also be much slower, dependent on the traffic on the network where I happen to be - the phone's indicator nearly always says "4G" even if my download speeds are less than 500k. If you have a Samsung Relay on T-Mobile (the closest phone to the Captivate Glide design-wise) it has a max rated speed of 42Mbps, and the T-Mobile network usually has faster average data speeds regardless, as long as you're on 4G, but their network is smaller. At this point I'm paying $46 a month on NET10/AT&T versus $55 a month on Page Plus for a 3G phone that maxes at 2.5Mbps (usually around 1200k) on Verizon's network, both with 2GB of data (I use WiFi as much as possible). For my needs I'm willing to spend a lot less with a MVNO prepaid network and live with the HSPA+, rather than paying $100 a month and up for LTE on Verizon, AT&T or Sprint - LTE is also a big battery hog. The fact I was able to get a slightly used Glide for around $100 helped as well, rather than paying hundreds more for an LTE phone and/or being locked into an expensive contract.
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The Captivate Glide on AT&T in the US is capable of a rated 21Mbps maximum speed...I have one on a NET10/AT&T SIM in Los Angeles and have so far seen up to 11Mbps in speed tests, but it can also be much slower, dependent on the traffic on the network where I happen to be - the phone's indicator nearly always says "4G" even if my download speeds are less than 500k. If you have a Samsung Relay on T-Mobile (the closest phone to the Captivate Glide design-wise) it has a max rated speed of 42Mbps, and the T-Mobile network usually has faster average data speeds regardless, as long as you're on 4G, but their network is smaller. At this point I'm paying $46 a month on NET10/AT&T versus $55 a month on Page Plus for a 3G phone that maxes at 2.5Mbps (usually around 1200k) on Verizon's network, both with 2GB of data (I use WiFi as much as possible). For my needs I'm willing to spend a lot less with a MVNO prepaid network and live with the HSPA+, rather than paying $100 a month and up for LTE on Verizon, AT&T or Sprint - LTE is also a big battery hog. The fact I was able to get a slightly used Glide for around $100 helped as well, rather than paying hundreds more for an LTE phone and/or being locked into an expensive contract.
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UUf i would never pay so much ..
I have one contract for 12 months (sim only) so am locked but am paying £15 a month and I have unlimited internet and unlim. SMS , then 600 minutes that my girlfriend uses .. (she never use all 600 minutes .. she is texting more ..)
And I had Giff Gaff previously .. it is based on O2 but it is cheaper and it is sim only . I used to pay £10 a month for unlimited internet unlim. texts and 250 minutes .. BUT they increased package to £12 so I started NOT liking it cos speed is not as fast as on 3 network
So I have decided to go with 3 network (same as my girlfriend) but it is SIM only pay as u go so it is 15 pounds a month no contract am not locked and I have same package as girlfriend but NOT 600 minutes but 300 minutes of call .. and that is way enough for me .. internet and SMS unlimited that is my priority..