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Help in solving bootloader issue

Please I have a peculiar problem, I pray you can assist me. I tried to root my telus dhd using advanced hack kit, after running the hack kit the phone failed to reboot. It stock at a blank bLack screen. To solve that, I mistakenly flash a froyo pd98img on a GB ROM. Since then, the phone takes about 20 to 30 minutes to boot. It will start with a splash screen and vibrate for about 10 minutes then takes another 10 minutes to boot. The problem is I can't enter boot loader and I can't use the hack kit again to return to stock since the phone won't reboot in the process.
I will appreciate any help. Thanks for your time.

And why exactly can't you enter the bootloader? Remove and re-insert your battery, Press Vol Down and Power button to boot into the bootloader.
Can you post the text that appears on the bootloader? Is your phone S-OFF yet?

degreatone said:
Please I have a peculiar problem, I pray you can assist me. I tried to root my telus dhd using advanced hack kit, after running the hack kit the phone failed to reboot. It stock at a blank bLack screen. To solve that, I mistakenly flash a froyo pd98img on a GB ROM. Since then, the phone takes about 20 to 30 minutes to boot. It will start with a splash screen and vibrate for about 10 minutes then takes another 10 minutes to boot. The problem is I can't enter boot loader and I can't use the hack kit again to return to stock since the phone won't reboot in the process.
I will appreciate any help. Thanks for your time.
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Sounds like a messed bootloader. Go to the Ace Think Tank thread linked in my signature. Find the PDF in post #7. In that, read about the messed bootloader fix.

if4ct0r said:
And why exactly can't you enter the bootloader? Remove and re-insert your battery, Press Vol Down and Power button to boot into the bootloader.
Can you post the text that appears on the bootloader? Is your phone S-OFF yet?
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volume down and power button doesn't work, the phone won't boot that way. I don't think its s-off

[QUOTtgranola;32865757]Sounds ns like a messed bootloader. Go to the Ace Think Tank thread linked in my signature. Find the PDF in post #7. In that, read about the messed bootloader fix.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it's messed up bootloader. Yesterday on #ahksupport, @attn1 gave an adb command, which after typing it, The phone booted to a black screen with HTC on it. Then he gave me a link to a file which he ask me to paste in cmd window. But unfortunately he changed his mind due my inability to respond swiftly to his question.
I have found the PDF, will give it a try. Thanks
Update: This is the file uploaded to by @attn1 yesterday. I believe it's an extracted and unlocked bootloader. The only problem is that I don't know how to flash it. If anyone can assist me.

degreatone said:
Please I have a peculiar problem, I pray you can assist me. I tried to root my telus dhd using advanced hack kit, after running the hack kit the phone failed to reboot. It stock at a blank bLack screen. To solve that, I mistakenly flash a froyo pd98img on a GB ROM. Since then, the phone takes about 20 to 30 minutes to boot. It will start with a splash screen and vibrate for about 10 minutes then takes another 10 minutes to boot. The problem is I can't enter boot loader and I can't use the hack kit again to return to stock since the phone won't reboot in the process.
I will appreciate any help. Thanks for your time.
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I have the same problem... if u can enter in boot menu ur are saved... u need to instal GB rom back on your phone, you have link here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1335027 if I'm right your RUU is smoething .707.4..download that, connect your dhd on usb and run that program..it will instal your old rom. when u do that fin AHK that is updated one month ago and run it. that helped me. And sorry on bad eanglish

bananagranola said:
Sounds like a messed bootloader. Go to the Ace Think Tank thread linked in my signature. Find the PDF in post #7. In that, read about the messed bootloader fix.
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Alexi666 said:
I have the same problem... if u can enter in boot menu ur are saved... u need to instal GB rom back on your phone, you have link here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1335027 if I'm right your RUU is smoething .707.4..download that, connect your dhd on usb and run that program..it will instal your old rom. when u do that fin AHK that is updated one month ago and run it. that helped me. And sorry on bad eanglish
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Is yours Telus too? I downloaded an RUU intending to flash it using windows, the computer detects the phone but I was afraid. I read in some forums that flashing the RUU in this situation can lead to brick! Pls advise me. Thanks for the reply

degreatone said:
Is yours Telus too? I downloaded an RUU intending to flash it using windows, the computer detects the phone but I was afraid. I read in some forums that flashing the RUU in this situation can lead to brick! Pls advise me. Thanks for the reply
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Just make sure you read properly how to do it before proceeding. Read the guide bananagranola gave you and follow the instructions. We can help with almost anything but conquering your fear. Unless you want glevitan to connect to your computer via teamviewer and have him press 'next'.
Sent from a dream.

degreatone said:
Yes, it's messed up bootloader. Yesterday on #ahksupport, @attn1 gave an adb command, which after typing it, The phone booted to a black screen with HTC on it. Then he gave me a link to a file which he ask me to paste in cmd window. But unfortunately he changed his mind due my inability to respond swiftly to his question.
I have found the PDF, will give it a try. Thanks
Update: This is the file uploaded to by @attn1 yesterday. I believe it's an extracted and unlocked bootloader. The only problem is that I don't know how to flash it. If anyone can assist me.
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Ok, this is what you have to do. I sent you the pastebin link in the IRC channel yesterday but afterwards attn1 told me that that solution would not work in your case. You need to flash that HBOOT in this way:
Code:
adb reboot oem-78
wget https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13152450/ace/PD9812000_Ace_Gingerbread_S_hboot_0.85.0024.zip --no-check-certificate
fastboot flash zip PD9812000_Ace_Gingerbread_S_hboot_0.85.0024.zip
The code will also download the hboot....BE PATIENT IT WILL TAKE TIME TO FLASH...RELAX AND ENJOY

glevitan said:
Ok, this is what you have to do. I sent you the pastebin link in the IRC channel yesterday but afterwards attn1 told me that that solution would not work in your case. You need to flash that HBOOT in this way:
Code:
adb reboot oem-78
wget https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13152450/ace/PD9812000_Ace_Gingerbread_S_hboot_0.85.0024.zip --no-check-certificate
fastboot flash zip PD9812000_Ace_Gingerbread_S_hboot_0.85.0024.zip
The code will also download the hboot....BE PATIENT IT WILL TAKE TIME TO FLASH...RELAX AND ENJOY
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I will try that now. Thanks a lot

glevitan said:
Ok, this is what you have to do. I sent you the pastebin link in the IRC channel yesterday but afterwards attn1 told me that that solution would not work in your case. You need to flash that HBOOT in this way:
Code:
adb reboot oem-78
wget https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13152450/ace/PD9812000_Ace_Gingerbread_S_hboot_0.85.0024.zip --no-check-certificate
fastboot flash zip PD9812000_Ace_Gingerbread_S_hboot_0.85.0024.zip
The code will also download the hboot....BE PATIENT IT WILL TAKE TIME TO FLASH...RELAX AND ENJOY
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I sent the code, the phone rebooted to a black HTC screen, and has been on it for almost an hour now? Is it normal? Tanks for the help, it's appreciated.
It shows white screen now with the following information:
Ace pvt ship s-on
Hboot-0. 85.0007
Macrop -0438
Radio 26.03.04.26_m
RUU
What should I do next?

degreatone said:
Is yours Telus too? I downloaded an RUU intending to flash it using windows, the computer detects the phone but I was afraid. I read in some forums that flashing the RUU in this situation can lead to brick! Pls advise me. Thanks for the reply
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im not sure, i know that it was asian and 707.4... usualy u can't do nothing with usb because u can't turn on debbuging on your phone, with that RUU asian 707.4 u can instal rom without debbuging.. i'm not sure but if u can access hboot your dhd is not bricked and there is hope to install rom on it.. i was spent 6h reading forums to find solution for my problem

degreatone said:
I sent the code, the phone rebooted to a black HTC screen, and has been on it for almost an hour now? Is it normal? Tanks for the help, it's appreciated.
It shows white screen now with the following information:
Ace pvt ship s-on
Hboot-0. 85.0007
Macrop -0438
Radio 26.03.04.26_m
RUU
What should I do next?
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that is normal as you don´t have a RUU in your phone. Does it still take long time to boot in hboot? from there you should be able to flash a RUU as that hboot supports multiple CIDs

I don't think it worked as he is still showing the .007 boot which is froyo.
Question why wouldn't your guide work in this case? Is it because of it being the nam version(pd12000 vs pd10000)? Hboot versions not interchangeable?or something else that as mentioned in the irc

marsdta said:
I don't think it worked as he is still showing the .007 boot which is froyo.
Question why wouldn't your guide work in this case? Is it because of it being the nam version(pd12000 vs pd10000)? Hboot versions not interchangeable?or something else that as mentioned in the irc
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to be strictly plain I am not quite sure..but Attn1 told me that the fix in the guide will only work with just one RUU build 1.32.xxx can't remember now. So he has to flash a new hboot that will allow multiple CIDs...
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glevitan said:
that is normal as you don´t have a RUU in your phone. Does it still take long time to boot in hboot? from there you should be able to flash a RUU as that hboot supports multiple CIDs
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Can I go ahead and flash an RUU now? If yes, can I flash any gb ruu or it has to be telus?
How do I flash it? Am I going to extract the image and place it on sd card or run the. exe file from computer.
Am highly grateful for the help. Thank you

degreatone said:
Can I go ahead and flash an RUU now? If yes, can I flash any gb ruu or it has to be telus?
How do I flash it? Am I going to extract the image and place it on sd card or run the. exe file from computer.
Am highly grateful for the help. Thank you
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Just one question...when you flashed the hboot did you get the OKAY.finished in the command prompt? Your is still at slow motion for booting??
If the answers to the question are: Yes. No...then you can flash an unbranded RUU and it should work. :good:

glevitan said:
Just one question...when you flashed the hboot did you get the OKAY.finished in the command prompt? Your is still at slow motion for booting??
If the answers to the question are: Yes. No...then you can flash an unbranded RUU and it should work. :good:
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No, I didn't get OKAY in the command, It didn't show finished. The phone screen just showed black with HTC written on it for almost two hours. Then eventually it rebooted to white screen withe info I posted above. Yes it's still at the motion boot.

degreatone said:
No, I didn't get OKAY in the command, It didn't show finished. The phone screen just showed black with HTC written on it for almost two hours. Then eventually it rebooted to white screen withe info I posted above. Yes it's still at the motion boot.
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Then I don´t think you have flashed the hboot....the process will take 2 or 3 hours I guess. You need to get OKAY. Finished near the end to know that you have achived the goal.
If you want I can lend you a hand via teamviewer (http://www.teamviewer.com/) but you have to put the phone in fastboot usb first. When you are there just send me the ID and PASS over a Private Message (PM)...

glevitan said:
Then I don´t think you have flashed the hboot....the process will take 2 or 3 hours I guess. You need to get OKAY. Finished near the end to know that you have achived the goal.
If you want I can lend you a hand via teamviewer (http://www.teamviewer.com/) but you have to put the phone in fastboot usb first. When you are there just send me the ID and PASS over a Private Message (PM)...
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Thanks for the assistance. I will try the command again to night, if unsuccessful I will send you a pm tomorrow. Once again, thanks

[Q] Problems with installing blackout ics ROM Desire HD

So I decided to root my android desire hd phone and avail the benefits of blackout ics rom on my phone.
This is how I approached.
I unlocked the bootloader from HTC Dev.
I have the adb with me, adb devices, adb restart bootloader are working absolutely fine and cell phone was detectable.
I downloaded the aahk and blackout rom from xda forums.
But I am not able to use the aahk properly. It says in instruction to do a fastboot flash boot boot.img from command prompt with the source being the place where aahk is placed on the PC. But it still doesn't work, and probably this is the root cause of the issues I am facing.
I tried downloading the CWM to boot into recovery, but that also gave me an error stating cannot find the adbwinapi.dll file.
So after that, I did a factory reset of my cellphone and truly I got my first success and I was able to get into the bootloader and recovery.
I can reach to the bootloader screen (white screen+3 andro dummies), but when I select the fastboot option It says cannot find image(which image, is it referring to boot.img). I deleted the cache on my cell phone, but again things are pending from here on.
The description on this screen says S-ON and some other things. Does that mean the security is still on?
I have the rom loaded on the sd card with renamed to update.zip, but when I select update option from the recovery it again says cannot find image, rebooting!(what image this is referring to).
And after all this sequence I am down with a cellphone now degraded to froyo from ginger bread and back to stone age!
Please advise.

TH3_M0Nk said:
So I decided to root my android desire hd phone and avail the benefits of blackout ics rom on my phone.
This is how I approached.
I unlocked the bootloader from HTC Dev.
I have the adb with me, adb devices, adb restart bootloader are working absolutely fine and cell phone was detectable.
I downloaded the aahk and blackout rom from xda forums.
But I am not able to use the aahk properly. It says in instruction to do a fastboot flash boot boot.img from command prompt with the source being the place where aahk is placed on the PC. But it still doesn't work, and probably this is the root cause of the issues I am facing.
I tried downloading the CWM to boot into recovery, but that also gave me an error stating cannot find the adbwinapi.dll file.
So after that, I did a factory reset of my cellphone and truly I got my first success and I was able to get into the bootloader and recovery.
I can reach to the bootloader screen (white screen+3 andro dummies), but when I select the fastboot option It says cannot find image(which image, is it referring to boot.img). I deleted the cache on my cell phone, but again things are pending from here on.
The description on this screen says S-ON and some other things. Does that mean the security is still on?
I have the rom loaded on the sd card with renamed to update.zip, but when I select update option from the recovery it again says cannot find image, rebooting!(what image this is referring to).
And after all this sequence I am down with a cellphone now degraded to froyo from ginger bread and back to stone age!
Please advise.
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You have not done anything fine...anything at all. My advice is that you'd better start reading hard buddy or you will end up with a 300 bucks paperweight.
Use the guide in my signature to start.
Tip 1:If you really downgrade to froyo and you were running gingerbread, you might have messed the bootloader..can you boot in hboot in normal times or takes ages?
Tip 2:The Hack Kit can not be run with an unlocked bootloader...that is what the manual says. The manual is there just to avoid this.
If your bootloader is still unlocked, then you have to install CWM recovery, put the rom in the sdcard (no rename is necessary) and then flash the boot.img from where that file is located (I usually put in the PC desktop) and not from the Hack Kit folder.
Then, from CWM flash the rom normally and you will be up and running.
Unlocking the bootloader will not give you S-OFF....

glevitan said:
You have not done anything fine...anything at all. My advice is that you'd better start reading hard buddy or you will end up with a 300 bucks paperweight.
Use the guide in my signature to start.
Tip 1:If you really downgrade to froyo and you were running gingerbread, you might have messed the bootloader..can you boot in hboot in normal times or takes ages?
Tip 2:The Hack Kit can not be run with an unlocked bootloader...that is what the manual says. The manual is there just to avoid this.
If your bootloader is still unlocked, then you have to install CWM recovery, put the rom in the sdcard (no rename is necessary) and then flash the boot.img from where that file is located (I usually put in the PC desktop) and not from the Hack Kit folder.
Then, from CWM flash the rom normally and you will be up and running.
Unlocking the bootloader will not give you S-OFF....
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I had this tutorial open side by side in your signature while I was doing it. (the noob one)
I can go into Hboot normal times.
I am writing it down here from the main website from where I downloaded the aahk. And it says
Unlock the bootloader using the HTC DEV bootloader unlock process.
Download att-ace-30-isboot.zip and unzip it (don’t forget to check MD5)
fastboot flash boot boot.img
relock bootloader
But just now you told me that it should not be run on an unlocked bootloader! I am a little confused.

TH3_M0Nk said:
I had this tutorial open side by side in your signature while I was doing it. (the noob one)
I can go into Hboot normal times.
I am writing it down here from the main website from where I downloaded the aahk. And it says
Unlock the bootloader using the HTC DEV bootloader unlock process.
Download att-ace-30-isboot.zip and unzip it (don’t forget to check MD5)
fastboot flash boot boot.img
relock bootloader
But just now you told me that it should not be run on an unlocked bootloader! I am a little confused.
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Yeah, but also says this: "...No Temproot for Inspire Build 3.20.502.52..." But you have a Desire HD, haven't you? And your build is not that one, is it?

glevitan said:
Yeah, but also says this: "...No Temproot for Inspire Build 3.20.502.52..." But you have a Desire HD, haven't you? And your build is not that one, is it?
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Yeah.
I think i found the answers I was looking for and since I used the bugger HTC dev unlocker (which I shouldn't have used), I have to come down a step and start over again.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31211732&postcount=396
This made me realize deep down search is more important. Thanks

TH3_M0Nk said:
Yeah.
I think i found the answers I was looking for and since I used the bugger HTC dev unlocker (which I shouldn't have used), I have to come down a step and start over again.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31211732&postcount=396
This made me realize deep down search is more important. Thanks
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No problem. Get a working phone and then you can try to run the Hack Kit...but it has to be stock or otherwise will not work. :good:

glevitan said:
No problem. Get a working phone and then you can try to run the Hack Kit...but it has to be stock or otherwise will not work. :good:
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I am not sure if you are on right now, but i am giving a try to the steps mentioned by that gentlemen above in the link.
the phone is now stuck at signature verification. I reasearched for it but could not find a viable solution or an exploit that can overcome it(though everyone seems to be suggesting to install CWM recovery)
Not taking any chances to convert my phone into a brick! Whats the best way.

TH3_M0Nk said:
I am not sure if you are on right now, but i am giving a try to the steps mentioned by that gentlemen above in the link.
the phone is now stuck at signature verification. I reasearched for it but could not find a viable solution or an exploit that can overcome it(though everyone seems to be suggesting to install CWM recovery)
Not taking any chances to convert my phone into a brick! Whats the best way.
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ok, Have you managed to unlock the bootloader? if you are already unlocked, do you mind if I have a look at it over teamviewer?

glevitan said:
ok, Have you managed to unlock the bootloader? if you are already unlocked, do you mind if I have a look at it over teamviewer?
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I am following the steps sequentially as mentioned in that link by sashank. The bootloader is partially unlocked due to the HTCDEV process.
Couple of other things that I noticed. The android version is still at 2.3.5 however the device was shipped with Froyo. My mistake to have said that it is downgraded to froyo when I did the factory reset.
The facebook for HTC Sense thing is jacked up big time, I cannot find that in peoples app.
The device has (believe me) gained speed. pretty strange.
Once I reach home 3 hours from now, i'll update this thread and we can connect through Teamviewer so that you can have a look.hope thats cool!
Thanks

TH3_M0Nk said:
I am following the steps sequentially as mentioned in that link by sashank. The bootloader is partially unlocked due to the HTCDEV process.
Couple of other things that I noticed. The android version is still at 2.3.5 however the device was shipped with Froyo. My mistake to have said that it is downgraded to froyo when I did the factory reset.
The facebook for HTC Sense thing is jacked up big time, I cannot find that in peoples app.
The device has (believe me) gained speed. pretty strange.
Once I reach home 3 hours from now, i'll update this thread and we can connect through Teamviewer so that you can have a look.hope thats cool!
Thanks
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Ok, just let me know when you are online and be arrange it.

glevitan said:
Ok, just let me know when you are online and be arrange it.
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Yes I am online now. Let me know how to proceed.

TH3_M0Nk said:
Yes I am online now. Let me know how to proceed.
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download the teamviewer: http://www.teamviewer.com
Get the ID and PASS and send them over a Private Message, NOT HERE

[Q] Dowgrade and root HTC Desire HD

Hello!
I've a HTC Desire HD and I want to root it.
I tried several ways, first one I used the HTCdev and got an error message "(bootloader) [ERR] comand error!!!" after the command "fastboot oem get_identifier_token", I tried find a solution and discover (i think) that I have to do a downgrade of my software that is 3.13.163.3 , to 1.32..
Than I tried to downgrade throw this post "http://igyaan.in/2011/01/5431/how-to-root-htc-desire-hd-included-downgrade-from-1-72-405-3-to-1-32/" but again got an error after the command "Cowngrade>adb shell /data/local/tmp/psneuter" saying "Failed to set prot mask (Inappropriate ioctl for device)".. On this one i couldn't find a reason or a fix for it..
And at last tried the "Advanced Ace Hack Kit", done everthing in the tutorial but when I open hack-ace.exe as an ADMIN gives me, one more time, ERROR ERROR ERROR phone no plugged in or driver not installed or USB debugging not enabled. I do not know what more to do...
the softtware information of the phone are:
Android version: 2.3.5
HTC sense version: 3.0
Software number 3.13.163.3
MORE: Baseband, Kernel version, etc.
Thank you for your time and I hope you can help me

So you didn't actually manage to unlock the bootloader or downgrade? For AAHK, what have you done so far? Have you read the manual?

bananagranola said:
So you didn't actually manage to unlock the bootloader or downgrade? For AAHK, what have you done so far? Have you read the manual?
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I couldn't anything to downgrade or bootloader..
for the AAHK is what i said previously, I unistall the htc drivers, disable the anti-virus and firewall as well the win defender, installed the htc driver given by the AAHK launched the hack-ace.exe as ADMIN and gives the error phone no plugged in or driver not installed or USB debugging not enabled.
And yes I read the manual.. but I noob at this please help

noobexplorer said:
I couldn't anything to downgrade or bootloader..
for the AAHK is what i said previously, I unistall the htc drivers, disable the anti-virus and firewall as well the win defender, installed the htc driver given by the AAHK launched the hack-ace.exe as ADMIN and gives the error phone no plugged in or driver not installed or USB debugging not enabled.
And yes I read the manual.. but I noob at this please help
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Well, look at what the error says. Is USB debugging on, is the phone in charge-only mode, are you using the original cable, is the phone plugged in, and did you install the driver with the phone unplugged?

bananagranola said:
Well, look at what the error says. Is USB debugging on, is the phone in charge-only mode, are you using the original cable, is the phone plugged in, and did you install the driver with the phone unplugged?
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Yes the debugging is on, the phone is in charge-only mode, im using the original cable and the phone wasn't plugged while installing the driver...
Anymore suggestions? im out of ideias

noobexplorer said:
Yes the debugging is on, the phone is in charge-only mode, im using the original cable and the phone wasn't plugged while installing the driver...
Anymore suggestions? im out of ideias
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Have You installed the drivers with phone unplugged?

glevitan said:
Have You installed the drivers with phone unplugged?
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Yes i did.

noobexplorer said:
Yes i did.
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Then use a liveCD then.

glevitan said:
Then use a liveCD then.
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And what is liveCD?

noobexplorer said:
And what is liveCD?
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu
That is a Linux bootable CD. Anyway, now it is late. The Hack Kit was retired today about 15 minutes ago, so you won't have the RUU to downgrade and you might get stuck in the middle.

glevitan said:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu
That is a Linux bootable CD. Anyway, now it is late. The Hack Kit was retired today about 15 minutes ago, so you won't have the RUU to downgrade and you might get stuck in the middle.
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What now?! i really don't know what to do... Isn't any other way?!
Please help!!

noobexplorer said:
What now?! i really don't know what to do... Isn't any other way?!
Please help!!
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The only available option now is to unlock your bootloader with HTCDEV, then flash a custom recovery and root files separately. You will not be S-Off, so you cannot flash radios and will need to fastboot flash boot.img each time you flash a new ROM. For instructions look in post #7 in the thread in my signature.

bananagranola said:
The only available option now is to unlock your bootloader with HTCDEV, then flash a custom recovery and root files separately. You will not be S-Off, so you cannot flash radios and will need to fastboot flash boot.img each time you flash a new ROM. For instructions look in post #7 in the thread in my signature.
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Finally I did it!
I follow your thread as you said, used easy unlock tool and work like a charm!
Then i use SDK fastboot.exe and CWN to flash recovery and installed the ROM i wanted.
Thank you very much!

noobexplorer said:
Finally I did it!
I follow your thread as you said, used easy unlock tool and work like a charm!
Then i use SDK fastboot.exe and CWN to flash recovery and installed the ROM i wanted.
Thank you very much!
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You are welcome....

glevitan said:
You are welcome....
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Oh man... i claim victory to soon..
I installed the ROM ViperHD 2.1.2 but it just wont pass the white screen htc logo when rebooted after installation :\
I tried already Sabsa Prime v13 and i have the same result..
Why this is happen? i am freaking out!

noobexplorer said:
Oh man... i claim victory to soon..
I installed the ROM ViperHD 2.1.2 but it just wont pass the white screen htc logo when rebooted after installation :\
I tried already Sabsa Prime v13 and i have the same result..
Why this is happen? i am freaking out!
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Because lack of reading. You Need To flash the boot.img in fastboot everyt time You flash a rom

glevitan said:
Because lack of reading. You Need To flash the boot.img in fastboot everyt time You flash a rom
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THANK YOU SO MUCH!!
It worked!
Your are the best!

Rumrunner won't pass test 1

Hi there
I am trying to gain s-off via rumrunner. I followed the instructions closely but when it attempts to check the bootloader and fastboot, it fails. My phone (Sprint m8), boots to boot loader but then it just sits there and rumrunner fails.
What is going wrong and how do I fix it? My phone is rooted and unlocked. I've got insertcoin and twrp flashed. Is there something wrong with fastboot? Please help as I am eager to gain s-off. I am thinking about just using Sunshine, but I don't want to pay the fee if it's not even going to work.
Thanks
G

garyg199 said:
Hi there
I am trying to gain s-off via rumrunner. I followed the instructions closely but when it attempts to check the bootloader and fastboot, it fails. My phone (Sprint m8), boots to boot loader but then it just sits there and rumrunner fails.
What is going wrong and how do I fix it? My phone is rooted and unlocked. I've got insertcoin and twrp flashed. Is there something wrong with fastboot? Please help as I am eager to gain s-off. I am thinking about just using Sunshine, but I don't want to pay the fee if it's not even going to work.
Thanks
G
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Rumrunner hasn't worked for over a year and a half, and Firewater hasn't either.
Sunshine is the way to do it now if you want/need S-Off. You could buy a Java Card, but it would be more expensive.

Oh, wow , okay thanks. Yeah I thought it was weird but I was watching a video that was uploaded one week ago and the user was using rumrunner. I'm still a bit of a noob with this but the reason I am trying to gain s-off is because when I flash a new rom I either get stuck at the bootloader or the boot image. I'm guessing it's because I'm a-on and I would have to flash using abd commands on my pc? If I am wrong can someone please let me know? It's a bit confusing. Thanks

garyg199 said:
Oh, wow , okay thanks. Yeah I thought it was weird but I was watching a video that was uploaded one week ago and the user was using rumrunner. I'm still a bit of a noob with this but the reason I am trying to gain s-off is because when I flash a new rom I either get stuck at the bootloader or the boot image. I'm guessing it's because I'm a-on and I would have to flash using abd commands on my pc? If I am wrong can someone please let me know? It's a bit confusing. Thanks
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Is your firmware up to date?
Tell me what it says next to "OS" in your bootloader. If you are using an old version of TWRP, it may be blank. If it is, post the results of fastboot getvar all to determine the firmware version from that, but remove your IMEI and serial# first as that is private info.

Well it is blank. It just says "OS-".
How do I execute the fastboot getvar etc. ? In a command window on my computer or? Sorry. Noob is shining here

I just updated twrp like last week though?

Yeah my twrp version is 2.8.5.0

garyg199 said:
Well it is blank. It just says "OS-".
How do I execute the fastboot getvar etc. ? In a command window on my computer or? Sorry. Noob is shining here
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Did you buy the phone rooted, or did you use ADB and fastboot to root yourself? Yes, you do it in CMD with the SDK/ADB software. Hook your phone up to your PC, open CMD in ADB (shift+right click and choose "open command window here")
enter adb reboot bootloader
then fastboot getvar all

I rooted it myself. I just tried it and got nothing after it says <waiting for device>. I could also be doing this wrong too though. SDK...Is this android audio whatever? Because I've been trying to find that and that's where it brought me, from every link. I downloaded the actual package with the program tools so I think I have it right but I'm not sure. Thanks for all the help by the way

I think I've got the right sdk tools and all. I just found another thread where someone had the same issue. He said it fixed magically overnight, but another said to uninstall the HTC drivers and reinstall on my pc. Guess I'll try that, unless you know another solution?

garyg199 said:
I think I've got the right sdk tools and all. I just found another thread where someone had the same issue. He said it fixed magically overnight, but another said to uninstall the HTC drivers and reinstall on my pc. Guess I'll try that, unless you know another solution?
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Okay. You "think" you have SDK? I'll tell you right now, your firmware is out of date. Run the software update/RUU from HTC's US website. I would tell you if you should run Sprint's standard RUU, or the Sprint H/K RUU, but since you have failed to provide me with the information to direct you to the proper firmware update that I asked for, I guess you can figure it out on your own by searching your CID and MID from your getvar output.
Here's a link to the HTC US Software Download page.
Good luck!

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I think I've got the right sdk tools and all. I just found another thread where someone had the same issue. He said it fixed magically overnight, but another said to uninstall the HTC drivers and reinstall on my pc. Guess I'll try that, unless you know another solution?
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If you unlocked the bootloader yourself, you have a working adb/fastboot environment.
Be sure you are booted into OS, and have "USB Debugging" enabled in settings, to issue the adb command suggested by xunholyx.

Thanks @redpoint. Sorry for my ignorance and lack of knowledge guys, just trying to get things straight. Im guessing my next step as of now is to get my boot loader locked again and get my stock recovery back so I can update my firmware. It seems like I can't do much until I do so. I downloaded sunshine and it gave me an error about flashing a "non debuggable ram disk". Thanks again for your help. Any other advice is much appreciated

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Thanks @redpoint. Im guessing my next step as of now is to get my boot loader locked again and get my stock recovery back so I can update my firmware.
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You shouldn't be "guessing" anything.
You have failed to provide the proper information (output from fastboot getvar all) which has been requested 3 times now. Can't provide the proper guidance without more info.
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Thanks @redpoint. I downloaded sunshine and it gave me an error about flashing a "non debuggable ram disk".
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s-off isn't going to automatically (all by itself) fix your problem (flashing a ROM), if that is what you think.
You have 2 potential (probable) issues:
1) The ROM won't boot if your firmware is outdated (s-off makes it a bit easier to update firmware, but its not strictly required to do so)
2) ROM also won't boot if its does not specifically support the Sprint version M8

I'm failing to provide the info because it's not giving me the info! I'm guessing because I'm doing this on my own more or less

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I'm failing to provide the info because it's not giving me the info! I'm guessing because I'm doing this on my own more or less
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I have no idea what that means. Your computer is sensing you are doing this "on your own" and deciding it doesn't like that?
If you are having issues executing the advice given to you, you need to state that, along with the specific results, error messages, etc. A screenshot may also be helpful.
If you don't post that you tried, and it failed; all we can do is assume that you ignored or missed the advice.
If the computer is hanging "waiting for device" when you try "fastboot getvar all" then you should try another USB cable, another port, re-install HTC Sync, or even try another computer (if possible).
But I have no idea of knowing what the issue is, if you don't tell us.

Cid- SPCS_001
MID-0P6B70000

I hope those are the correct numbers that were needed

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I hope those are the correct numbers that were needed
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I want the full getvar output (minus IMEI and serial number, which are personal info) not just 2 pieces of it.

Here's what I got
Had to use the all in one toolkit to get it. Wasn't giving it to me with just the commands.

RESOLVED! [SOS!] Phone can't boot past bootloader

My phone is having a bowl of bootloops right now lol.
I have a unlocked htc 10, i unlocked the bootloader (S-on since leedroid thread didn't say it was necessary), flashed the latest TWRP formatted data part, rebooted recovery again, swiped allow modifications, flashed the marshmallow version of the ROM and nothing but bootloops. what am i missing? thanks
first time HTC owner here coming from a 6p so show mercy

drago10029 said:
My phone is having a bowl of bootloops right now lol.
I have a unlocked htc 10, i unlocked the bootloader (S-on since leedroid thread didn't say it was necessary), flashed the latest TWRP formatted data part, rebooted recovery again, swiped allow modifications, flashed the marshmallow version of the ROM and nothing but bootloops. what am i missing? thanks
first time HTC owner here coming from a 6p so show mercy
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Are you on MM firmware or N?
Also S-OFF is the way to go.

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Are you on MM firmware or N?
Also S-OFF is the way to go.
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I was on latest stock nougat before I started the process. since the I have tried flashing both leedroid marshmallow zip and the nougat magisk zip also. and what's the deal with s-off?
Everywhere i look they're all how to's about s-off lol. seems hard to find a thread on what s-off is, if it's needed to for a specific ROM or not :/ that being said leedroid it wasn't needed as quoted below. thanks!
If you wish to s-off first, please follow >> THIS GUIDE << by @jcase & return when your device is back up and running.
First boot will take approximately 15 minutes due to Art optimization
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UPDATE: things have gotten worse.... I was attempting to relock the bootloader since RUU was failing with error 155, someone in a diff HTC thread said locked bootloader was needed for RUU. now phone flashes HTC logo then powers off. buttons pressed not going to recovery right now anyone wanna chime in? please...

@defcomg you know anything about HTC phones? I am currently stuck in the sunken place lol

drago10029 said:
I was on latest stock nougat before I started the process. since the I have tried flashing both leedroid marshmallow zip and the nougat magisk zip also. and what's the deal with s-off?
Everywhere i look they're all how to's about s-off lol. seems hard to find a thread on what s-off is, if it's needed to for a specific ROM or not :/ that being said leedroid it wasn't needed as quoted below. thanks!
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1680928

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https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1680928
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hmmmm according to that post the TWRP i flashed should have reverted on reboot and that hasn't been the case at all since it has survived multiple reboots... any thoughts on that?
"...Basically, all changes made to these partitions while the phone is running is not permanent, and will be reset upon a reboot..."
EDIT: also does that mean unless I have S-off none of the custom ROMs will flash? so what's the point of unlocking a bootloader is that needs to be disabled also

drago10029 said:
hmmmm according to that post the TWRP i flashed should have reverted on reboot and that hasn't been the case at all since it has survived multiple reboots... any thoughts on that?
"...Basically, all changes made to these partitions while the phone is running is not permanent, and will be reset upon a reboot..."
EDIT: also does that mean unless I have S-off none of the custom ROMs will flash? so what's the point of unlocking a bootloader is that needs to be disabled also
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Keep in mind the date on that post is from a few years back (2012). You can't put all your eggs into one basket, so to speak. I was just giving you 1 article I found from a simple Google Search. Encryption and TWRP have changed quite a lot, especially since Nougat.
From my small amount of time, I think you may be confused about what the difference is between an unlocked bootloader and S-OFF, which I'd need to even go back and read that article, but thought it touched a little on it
The 10 has changed quite a bit too from past phones. Before you'd need to be S-OFF and unlocked bootloader. Now S-OFF unlocked and S-OFF locked are basically the same, but that can be found in threads if you'd like to find more info on that.
Most the info is there, you just need to search. If you need help finding articles, I can try and help with that. I've been surprised with the great info I've found after awhile of coming up empty.
I'm just now seeing all the new posts that came from before I posted and have been on my phone and don't have the time to catch up on it all right now.
Hope things get squared away for you soon, I'll check in when I can.
It seemed you were in a simple bootloop, but I'm not 100%. I think your issue was flashing MM ROM on N firmware. Can't do that.
Also, Verizon doesn't allow us to unlock bootloader on Htc-dev. So if we want to root, we must S-OFF.

andybones said:
Keep in mind the date on that post is from a few years back. You can't put all your eggs into one basket, so to speak. I was just giving you 1 article I found from a simple Google Search. Encryption and TWRP have changed quite a lot, especially since Nougat.
I'm just now seeing all the new posts that came from before I posted and have been on my phone and don't have the time to catch up on it all right now.
Hope things get squared away for you soon, I'll check in when I can.
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gotcha and thanks! so for anyone else who wants to help. I have regained access to download mode and bootloader. when attempting to run latest official RUU.exe from HTC's site, i get error 155. via HTC the error means I'm using the wrong update but my phone reports SW 2.48.617.1 and I'm trying to update it to SW 2.48.617.3.
also i have relocked the bootloader and have s-off.

drago10029 said:
gotcha and thanks! so for anyone else who wants to help. I have regained access to download mode and bootloader. when attempting to run latest official RUU.exe from HTC's site, i get error 155. via HTC the error means I'm using the wrong update but my phone reports SW 2.48.617.1 and I'm trying to update it to SW 2.48.617.3.
also i have relocked the bootloader and have s-off.
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What method have you tried for the SW?
is it an RUU or just firmware?
I suggest the sdcard method.
Make sure to have the correct htc_fastboot.exe over the standard fastboot.exe, this could be the cause of your failure.
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24545065934258327
Either remove your current fastboot.exe and rename this one to it, or keel it as htc_fastboot.exe and use the correct, htc_fastboot flash, over fastboot flash

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What method have you tried for the SW?
is it an RUU or just firmware?
I suggest the sdcard method.
Make sure to have the correct htc_fastboot.exe over the standard fastboot.exe, this could be the cause of your failure.
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24545065934258327
Either remove your current fastboot.exe and rename this one to it, or keel it as htc_fastboot.exe and use the correct, htc_fastboot flash, over fastboot flash
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bear in mind I'm still learning all this HTC stuff lol
is it an RUU or just firmware? It's an RUU.exe for HTC 10 unlocked edition that i got from there website
I suggest the sdcard method. you mean installing custom ROM zip from sd card? otherwise i'm not sure what you mean.
Make sure to have the correct htc_fastboot.exe over the standard fastboot.exe, this could be the cause of your failure. hmmm well I used fastboot.exe from minimal adb & fasboot to unlock bootloader and that worked fine, and should i still i just replace fastboot in platform tools folder with fastboot.exe from htc website?
also so s-off shouldn't be needed to install the ROMs? just bootloader unlock?

drago10029 said:
bear in mind I'm still learning all this HTC stuff lol
is it an RUU or just firmware? It's an RUU.exe for HTC 10 unlocked edition that i got from there website
I suggest the sdcard method. you mean installing custom ROM zip from sd card? otherwise i'm not sure what you mean.
Make sure to have the correct htc_fastboot.exe over the standard fastboot.exe, this could be the cause of your failure. hmmm well I used fastboot.exe from minimal adb & fasboot to unlock bootloader and that worked fine, and should i still i just replace fastboot in platform tools folder with fastboot.exe from htc website?
also so s-off shouldn't be needed to install the ROMs? just bootloader unlock?
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Keep in mind this is me helping in my free time.
Use the linked htc_fastboot.. It's made for htc, it's why I mentioned it..
I've seen many ppl have RUU fail by not using this.
Also an RUU/firmware have 3 methods to install.
I suggest the sd-card method. Safest.
Search. Search. Search. ...
Option 1
Copy 2PS6IMG.zip (THIS IS FOR VERIZON, YOUR CARRIER WILL NEED TO BE RENAMED CORRECTLY) to root of a physical SD formatted to fat32. No exfat! No internal storage! Must be external SD formated to fat32!
Reboot phone to download mode and follow prompts once RUU is detected by phone.
Option 2
EXE option. Download EXE file below (for windows) and simply double click to start. You can either be booted to OS with USB debugging enabled OR booted into download mode for this to start.
Option 3
Fastboot RUU mode . This method assumes you have a working ADB/Fastboot directory on your PC. Download RUU zip file and place in your working fastboot/adb directory. Boot your phone to download mode and connect to PC. Issue the following commands.
htc_fastboot oem rebootRUU
###while in this mode your phone will display an HTC logo on the screen
htc_fastboot flash zip 2PS6IMG.zip
##while in this mode you will see an HTC logo on the screen and a green status bar across the bottom of the screen. When command output ##completes it may say reboot required to flush etc... if that's the case issue a "htc_fastboot reboot-bootloader" command and restart option 1 again.
## assuming flash completes and no further flushing/reboots are requested from the cmd output you can now reboot IF you simply wish to reboot the system you can issue "htc_fastboot reboot" which will reboot system.
## expect a good 5 minute plus first boot!
--Taken from
Also read here. This is a great thread.
There's a lot of info out there.
Just search and do your homework.
It's easy to turn that device into a useless brick.
Especially being S-OFF... Secuirty-off..
I know it can be overwhelming, but the info is out there, and if not, just ask, as others most likely have the same question and this will help them.
And correct, with S-OFF isn't needed to flash ROMs. Only bootloader unlock.

andybones said:
Keep in mind this is me helping in my free time.
Use the linked htc_fastboot.. It's made for htc, it's why I mentioned it..
I've seen many ppl have RUU fail by not using this.
Also an RUU/firmware have 3 methods to install.
I suggest the sd-card method. Safest.
Search. Search. Search. ...
Option 1
Copy 2PS6IMG.zip (THIS IS FOR VERIZON, YOUR CARRIER WILL NEED TO BE RENAMED CORRECTLY) to root of a physical SD formatted to fat32. No exfat! No internal storage! Must be external SD formated to fat32!
Reboot phone to download mode and follow prompts once RUU is detected by phone.
Option 2
EXE option. Download EXE file below (for windows) and simply double click to start. You can either be booted to OS with USB debugging enabled OR booted into download mode for this to start.
Option 3
Fastboot RUU mode . This method assumes you have a working ADB/Fastboot directory on your PC. Download RUU zip file and place in your working fastboot/adb directory. Boot your phone to download mode and connect to PC. Issue the following commands.
htc_fastboot oem rebootRUU
###while in this mode your phone will display an HTC logo on the screen
htc_fastboot flash zip 2PS6IMG.zip
##while in this mode you will see an HTC logo on the screen and a green status bar across the bottom of the screen. When command output ##completes it may say reboot required to flush etc... if that's the case issue a "htc_fastboot reboot-bootloader" command and restart option 1 again.
## assuming flash completes and no further flushing/reboots are requested from the cmd output you can now reboot IF you simply wish to reboot the system you can issue "htc_fastboot reboot" which will reboot system.
## expect a good 5 minute plus first boot!
--Taken from
Also read here. This is a great thread.
There's a lot of info out there.
Just search and do your homework.
It's easy to turn that device into a useless brick.
Especially being S-OFF... Secuirty-off..
I know it can be overwhelming, but the info is out there, and if not, just ask, as others most likely have the same question and this will help them.
And correct, with S-OFF isn't needed to flash ROMs. Only bootloader unlock.
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my bad, i hope i didn't come off rude or anything. i do appreciate all your help and i understand it. I do the same here when i have the free time.
I will ask some question's on both those threads you linked. I came across one of them but no s-off and didn't wanna pay for sunshine app. also topjohnwu thread about stock and guides would be helpful if it listed which phones the code names correlate to.
in the end I see your point, keep researching and asking. and I do that very often and promise. today was different since a bunch of PC failed to install updates at work (post wannacry) lol and dealing with my bootlooping phone, my mind was scattered. iv'e bricked before but never on a phone this expensive *__*
thanks again andy!
JUST AN UPDATE: i restored via twrp after i got the bootlooping to stop. I completely forgot I had made one -__- (more scatter brains) so I'm good to go now.... kinda.

drago10029 said:
my bad, i hope i didn't come off rude or anything. i do appreciate all your help and i understand it. I do the same here when i have the free time.
I will ask some question's on both those threads you linked. I came across one of them but no s-off and didn't wanna pay for sunshine app. also topjohnwu thread about stock and guides would be helpful if it listed which phones the code names correlate to.
in the end I see your point, keep researching and asking. and I do that very often and promise. today was different since a bunch of PC failed to install updates at work (post wannacry) lol and dealing with my bootlooping phone, my mind was scattered. iv'e bricked before but never on a phone this expensive *__*
thanks again andy!
JUST AN UPDATE: i restored via twrp after i got the bootlooping to stop. I completely forgot I had made one -__- (more scatter brains) so I'm good to go now.... kinda.
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You didn't come off rude at all, I was actually hoping you didn't take my response as being rude. S-OFF and sunshine is completely worth the $25. However, for a normal user like yourself, you don't need it.
Glad to hear that you're somewhat good to go, lol.
You can always pm me or tag me in a post if needed and I'll do my best to help.

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You didn't come off rude at all, I was actually hoping you didn't take my response as being rude. S-OFF and sunshine is completely worth the $25. However, for a normal user like yourself, you don't need it.
Glad to hear that you're somewhat good to go, lol.
You can always pm me or tag me in a post if needed and I'll do my best to help.
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glad no guns are being drawn here
and since no you offered lol.... how do i get my CID and MID? using the fastboot you kindly spotted me...
fastboot getvar all and fastboot oem readcid: both return nothing but fastboot not recognized..... etc. etc. I am in download mode (unlocked and s-on if that matters)

drago10029 said:
glad no guns are being drawn here
and since no you offered lol.... how do i get my CID and MID? using the fastboot you kindly spotted me...
fastboot getvar all and fastboot oem readcid: both return nothing but fastboot not recognized..... etc. etc. I am in download mode (unlocked and s-on if that matters)
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Fastboot isn't recognized? As in it's not working?

drago10029 said:
gotcha and thanks! so for anyone else who wants to help. I have regained access to download mode and bootloader. when attempting to run latest official RUU.exe from HTC's site, i get error 155. via HTC the error means I'm using the wrong update but my phone reports SW 2.48.617.1 and I'm trying to update it to SW 2.48.617.3.
also i have relocked the bootloader and have s-off.
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2.48.617.3? I don't think there is such a thing. Do you mean 2.41.617.3?

andybones said:
Fastboot isn't recognized? As in it's not working?
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2.48.617.3? I don't think there is such a thing. Do you mean 2.41.617.3?
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1st things 1st, SOS is no more. was trying to flash leedroid magisk file, thinking it was a ROM until i noticed the file size so I went back to stock via TWRP backup (i forgot I made) since RUU was giving 155 error.
2nd the HTC fastboot wasn't working for some reason.. adb devices cmd detected nothing, it worked at my job though since i have android studio/platform tools there (shrug) so used that fastboot instead.
3rd I did mean SW 2.48.617.1 that's the exact OS version # that download mode reports currently and was the last official update i took several days before going custom route.

drago10029 said:
1st things 1st, SOS is no more. was trying to flash leedroid magisk file, thinking it was a ROM until i noticed the file size so I went back to stock via TWRP backup (i forgot I made) since RUU was giving 155 error.
2nd the HTC fastboot wasn't working for some reason.. adb devices cmd detected nothing, it worked at my job though since i have android studio/platform tools there (shrug) so used that fastboot instead.
3rd I did mean SW 2.48.617.1 that's the exact OS version # that download mode reports currently and was the last official update i took several days before going custom route.
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Okay. Cool that you got it fixed. But you did say you were trying to update from 2.48.617.1 to 2.48.617.3, so that's why I said there was no .3

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Okay. Cool that you got it fixed. But you did say you were trying to update from 2.48.617.1 to 2.48.617.3, so that's why I said there was no .3
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oooh i see lol.. too many numbers.