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levels of rooting!

Greetings,
I am planning to buy the HTC desire 2day .. but am living in egypt.. so we didnt get the froyo update yet :/ .. so i was wondering if the lvl 1 rooting (named shell rooting) done to the desire using this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=803682 will allow me to install apps to the sd card and installing themes maybe.. because those are the only 2 things that i need that cant be done in the 2.1 stock ROM
I used the search feature.. but couldn't find anything about rooting levels .. the above thread mention there are 3 levels of rooting.. so i dont really know the difference.. never owned an android device before
Oh .. and i bricked my last htc phone after flashing a rom.. so i wont ever flash a custom rom again.. so here goes my next question.. i can root the phone and use the stock rom while enjoying the rooting features or do i have to install a custom rom? and when the official middle east froyo update is released can i easily unroot the phone and install the new update?
Kindly reply, i will wait for the reply b4 i buy the phone
Thnx in advance

Fady_0 said:
Greetings,
I am planning to buy the HTC desire 2day .. but am living in egypt.. so we didnt get the froyo update yet :/ .. so i was wondering if the lvl 1 rooting (named shell rooting) done to the desire using this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=803682 will allow me to install apps to the sd card and installing themes maybe.. because those are the only 2 things that i need that cant be done in the 2.1 stock ROM
I used the search feature.. but couldn't find anything about rooting levels .. the above thread mention there are 3 levels of rooting.. so i dont really know the difference.. never owned an android device before
Oh .. and i bricked my last htc phone after flashing a rom.. so i wont ever flash a custom rom again.. so here goes my next question.. i can root the phone and use the stock rom while enjoying the rooting features or do i have to install a custom rom? and when the official middle east froyo update is released can i easily unroot the phone and install the new update?
Kindly reply, i will wait for the reply b4 i buy the phone
Thnx in advance
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yes shell rooting will let you do everything you want to do, the only thing it lacks is write access to the nand chip while the device is booted, but it does allow it from recovery, dont worry about bricking, unrevoked is fool proof now

Thanks for the reply
Okay last 5 questions lol ... plz bear with me... as i cant really risk losing another 700$ phone
1- am a bit confused... should i use unrevoked rooting or the lvl 1 rooting mentioned in link in the above post .. which one allows me to install apps on sd card and install themes with minimum alteration to the stock rom? anyone of them is 100% safe?
2- i can continue using my stock rom and still enjoy the rooting features.. no need to flash custom roms .. right?
3-am i going to be able to update my rooted phone when the official froyo is released or do i have to unroot it?
4- lets say that for any reason i have to use the phone's warranty ... so i have to unroot my phone 1st b4 going to htc .. is it easily done?
5- a bit offtopic: The only way i found to change themes without altering the stock rom is using 3 apps called : PandaHome,OpenHome and aHome (themes for these apps are even posted on the android market) .. but the thing is .. do they require a vanilla android or they are compatible with sense ui too?

Fady_0 said:
Thanks for the reply
Okay last 4 questions lol ... plz bear with me... as i cant really risk losing another 700$ phone
1- am a bit confused... should i use unrevoked rooting or the lvl 1 rooting mentioned in link in the above post .. which one allows me to install apps on sd card and install themes with minimum alteration to the stock rom? anyone of them is 100% safe?
2- i can continue using my stock rom and still enjoy the rooting features.. no need to flash custom roms .. right?
3-am i going to be able to update my rooted phone when the official froyo is released or do i have to unroot it?
4- lets say that for any reason i have to use the phone's warranty ... so i have to unroot my phone 1st b4 going to htc .. is it easily done?
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1 unrevoked imho is more simple and more popular and tested
2 corect
3 you have to unroot
4 easier than rooting just download ruu file, run on your pc connected to phone and thats all. U will loose root+old rom+data+custom recovery image
BTW greetings to Egypt! Been there (HRG) at february and it was warm and nice

Fady_0 said:
Thanks for the reply
Okay last 5 questions lol ... plz bear with me... as i cant really risk losing another 700$ phone
1- am a bit confused... should i use unrevoked rooting or the lvl 1 rooting mentioned in link in the above post .. which one allows me to install apps on sd card and install themes with minimum alteration to the stock rom? anyone of them is 100% safe?
2- i can continue using my stock rom and still enjoy the rooting features.. no need to flash custom roms .. right?
3-am i going to be able to update my rooted phone when the official froyo is released or do i have to unroot it?
4- lets say that for any reason i have to use the phone's warranty ... so i have to unroot my phone 1st b4 going to htc .. is it easily done?
5- a bit offtopic: The only way i found to change themes without altering the stock rom is using 3 apps called : PandaHome,OpenHome and aHome (themes for these apps are even posted on the android market) .. but the thing is .. do they require a vanilla android or they are compatible with sense ui too?
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1. Go with Unrevoked, it's safe and most commonly used method for rooting HTC Desires, check your Hboot version beforehand to see if it's compatible (it should be if you're on 2.1 eclair) and just make sure you read the guide properly first and nothing should go wrong
Rooting will not give you A2SD or A2SD+, you'll have to install a custom ROM to get those benefits (or wait for Froyo with its own Apps2SD function)
You also won't be able to flash themes as the stock ROM is odexed and won't support it, you'll need to flash a deodexed custom ROM for that.. although you can use apps like LauncherPro to customise your phone a little.
2. Yup, rooting doesn't mean you have to change the ROM, it just means you have the choice to through the additional Recovery program installed during rooting
3. You can apply the OTA froyo update, it'll unroot your phone though.. you could use Unrevoked again to get root afterwards
4. I would definitely recommend unrooting the phone if possible before running a warranty claim, I haven't had to do it but I've read it's relatively easy
5. All the launcher/home replacements should work fine with Sense, i've got LauncherPro/Sense/Launcher2 (vanilla android home) all working fine on mine, just install ClearDefaultsHome so you can choose which Home screen you want
The safe option is wait for the Froyo update, it'll give you Apps2SD.. but personally I'm glad I rooted and flashed a custom ROM, made the phone so much better! It to follow all the rooting/flashing tutorials properly then you should be fine, though obviously there are risks involved.. as you already know!

Well, thanks to ur replies guys .. i am now the proud owner of an htc desire! :d

Unlocked/rooted my phone but new to custom ROMs, have some questions

Hey guys, I recently bought an HTC One V to replace my old Android phone. Last weekend I unlocked the bootloader and rooted it so I could enable wifi tethering, now I’m thinking about trying on some new ROMs but since I never flashed to one before on any phone I had some general questions about what I can/can’t do and what to expect along the way.
1. It’s important for me to make sure I have a backup of the stock ROM I’m currently on in case none of the custom ones suit me or don’t work as well. Last weekend when I flashed TWRP to recovery and believe I made a backup of stock before rooting, I know I was following a tutorial and they said it was optional but I should do it just in case for the same reasons I listed above. Is this considered doing a “Nandroid backup”, and with these backups is the ROM and all installed apps backed up as well, so when flashing back to it it restores the ROM and whatever was installed at the time so apps don’t need to be re-downloaded?
2. When on a custom ROM and wanting to revert back to stock is the procedure the same as going to a custom? I thought I saw something about having to relock the bootloader if wanting to go back to stock.
3. When looking around for custom ROMS to try out do I need to make sure that it’s compatible specifically with my phone model or generally speaking do all custom Android-based ROMs work on any Android OS phone or tablet?
4. Are there some ROMS built around doing a specific task? Like for me I want to concentrate on making sure my phone’s mobile hotspot runs as smoothly as possible for tethering and having a functional bluetooth profile is important as well. Without asking “What ROM is best” can someone recommend a ROM that best fits my criteria that I should try out?
5. Will I need to re-root my phone whenever I flash to a new ROM? And when doing a Nandroid backup while rooted is the root access backed up as well?
6. Is there an app available that keeps track of the ROMs I download and allows for flashing to them easily?
7. Does GApps need to be flashed to the phone after going to a new custom ROM everytime, or do some ROMs include the GApps in them already?
Any other tips, tricks, or explanation on something you don’t think I’m “getting” would be great. Thanks a bunch for any help.

brokenvisage said:
Hey guys, I recently bought an HTC One V to replace my old Android phone. Last weekend I unlocked the bootloader and rooted it so I could enable wifi tethering, now I’m thinking about trying on some new ROMs but since I never flashed to one before on any phone I had some general questions about what I can/can’t do and what to expect along the way.
1. It’s important for me to make sure I have a backup of the stock ROM I’m currently on in case none of the custom ones suit me or don’t work as well. Last weekend when I flashed TWRP to recovery and believe I made a backup of stock before rooting, I know I was following a tutorial and they said it was optional but I should do it just in case for the same reasons I listed above. Is this considered doing a “Nandroid backup”, and with these backups is the ROM and all installed apps backed up as well, so when flashing back to it it restores the ROM and whatever was installed at the time so apps don’t need to be re-downloaded?
2. When on a custom ROM and wanting to revert back to stock is the procedure the same as going to a custom? I thought I saw something about having to relock the bootloader if wanting to go back to stock.
3. When looking around for custom ROMS to try out do I need to make sure that it’s compatible specifically with my phone model or generally speaking do all custom Android-based ROMs work on any Android OS phone or tablet?
4. Are there some ROMS built around doing a specific task? Like for me I want to concentrate on making sure my phone’s mobile hotspot runs as smoothly as possible for tethering and having a functional bluetooth profile is important as well. Without asking “What ROM is best” can someone recommend a ROM that best fits my criteria that I should try out?
5. Will I need to re-root my phone whenever I flash to a new ROM? And when doing a Nandroid backup while rooted is the root access backed up as well?
6. Is there an app available that keeps track of the ROMs I download and allows for flashing to them easily?
7. Does GApps need to be flashed to the phone after going to a new custom ROM everytime, or do some ROMs include the GApps in them already?
Any other tips, tricks, or explanation on something you don’t think I’m “getting” would be great. Thanks a bunch for any help.
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Well, I have only had motorola with android, but maybe i can help you with some of your questions
3) No, each custom rom is made for a specific model, so you have to search the roms that are made for your phone/tablet, flashing a wrong rom may be an easy way for killing your device
5) Most roms are pre-rooted, at least all of the roms i used on my motorolas were pre-rooted, i guess that with htc things must be simillar.
6) It depends, some roms (like cyanogenmod) does not include GApps, so you have to flash them after you install the rom, others have GApps included, so you must see if the rom you're installing has GApps included.
Well, hope this may help
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Great questions...still a noob but learning fast. These are some of the questions I was wondering about myself. (If I ever find a way to root my phone) Good luck and I will bm this page for future use.

Thanks guys, bump to try and get the other ones answered.

1) Use Titanium Backup for the apps' backup .
2) You should flash the stock rom of that phone and then relock the bootloader.
6) I don't know any app to do this, but it can exist, idk.

[Q] {Q} Help please!

Hi Guys, I have a N7105 that is running stock and is rooted.
I have never flashed a custom rom, because its all a bit above my head honestly and I didnt want to ruin my phone.
Of course, I realize that I am stuck on 4.1.2 whilst everyone else has update to 4.3
My first question is, what is the best way to Unroot my N7105, also the easiest, I cannot stress how uncoordinated I am at this kind of stuff, so I need the easiest way possible.
Then, whats the best Stock rom, because I love the S-pen etc and dont want to loose functionality of it, that I can flash?
Then, once I am done, will I be able to root my device again ?
Thank you in advance for any help, It is really appreciated!

DevilsArc said:
Hi Guys, I have a N7105 that is running stock and is rooted.
I have never flashed a custom rom, because its all a bit above my head honestly and I didnt want to ruin my phone.
Of course, I realize that I am stuck on 4.1.2 whilst everyone else has update to 4.3
My first question is, what is the best way to Unroot my N7105, also the easiest, I cannot stress how uncoordinated I am at this kind of stuff, so I need the easiest way possible.
Then, whats the best Stock rom, because I love the S-pen etc and dont want to loose functionality of it, that I can flash?
Then, once I am done, will I be able to root my device again ?
Thank you in advance for any help, It is really appreciated!
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if you just need root access
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2032849
the you will gain root access with your own stock rom
if you would like custom roms with stock and additional features there should be many available
just read and see which suits your needs best

DevilsArc said:
Hi Guys, I have a N7105 that is running stock and is rooted.
I have never flashed a custom rom, because its all a bit above my head honestly and I didnt want to ruin my phone.
Of course, I realize that I am stuck on 4.1.2 whilst everyone else has update to 4.3
My first question is, what is the best way to Unroot my N7105, also the easiest, I cannot stress how uncoordinated I am at this kind of stuff, so I need the easiest way possible.
Then, whats the best Stock rom, because I love the S-pen etc and dont want to loose functionality of it, that I can flash?
Then, once I am done, will I be able to root my device again ?
Thank you in advance for any help, It is really appreciated!
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u mean u want 4.1.2 rom or 4.3 rom ?
to be frank N7105 custom TW rom is not a lot, unless u take the risk and you know how to flash those Tmob ROM / AT&T rom (to be flashed on your N7105 device).
you can find those custom ROM under N7105 Android development forum.
If you want with the all original S-pen / Samsung feels, you have to flash TW ROM only (stock / custom).
Currently for N7105 original custom ROM, is only LionROM. But if you want other(s), you can try SkyNote from AT&T forum, but you have to read first before you flash, on how to make it work with our N7105 device.
If currently your device is rooted, those custom ROM will keep your rooting, so there's no need to worry about how to root back (just follow the flashing instructions).
But if you flash the official stock ROM from sammobile, you will loose your root, and you should be able to root back also.
It's all your choice. Good luck, mate.
Sent from the corner of this rounded earth.

Hi Guys, I am after the link for the 4.3 ROM if possible. I went on the Sammobile site and it says there is an update for Optus N7105, but I cant find one for Telstra, does it matter if I flash one that isnt for my carrier?

Before Rooting Question

I just got this phone. Android 4.2.2. I was wondering if rooting is still possible. I know that there are issues with unlocking the bootloader like, we can't. So can I still root and have the rooting goodies? If so, can you direct me to the correct method of rooting? All the methods I can find include unlocking the bootloader first and I don't know if I can just skip that step or not.
Thank you for your time.

Time To Shine said:
I just got this phone. Android 4.2.2. I was wondering if rooting is still possible. I know that there are issues with unlocking the bootloader like, we can't. So can I still root and have the rooting goodies? If so, can you direct me to the correct method of rooting? All the methods I can find include unlocking the bootloader first and I don't know if I can just skip that step or not.
Thank you for your time.
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To answer your question you need to unlock/s-off your phone to root it, I would recommend running the rumrunner tool, installing a customer recovery and then install a custom rom. The reason I say install a custom rom even if you want to remain stock is because you can get a stock rom without any bloat. Most of the bloat apps on the HTC One and pretty much any phone, run in the background as soon as your phone starts, this eats battery life and performance. For a stock rom check out Santod040, he has a good stock rom released, personally I like NuSense and ViperOne they are both very solid roms.
Read this thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2473644 it is the Rumrunner tool. I believe as long as you DO NOT UPGRADE to 4.3 you can still root/unlock/s-off, after you unlock/s-off you can install whichever rom you like without worrying about losing the ability to have root access.
You will want to get into the bootloader to check which OS version you have and then download the corresponding version of Rumrunner.
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Be sure to backup your whole phone as soon as you install a customer recovery. After the backup is complete, save a copy on your computer. There will be times when you are tinkering with your phone that you will need to get your phone back to a factory state, you can use a RUU but in my opinion that is more complicated process and you have a higher risk of something going wrong compared to simply restoring a backup.

Okay. Thank you. I will look into this.

Noob ROM user - help with 1st ROM install, please

Hope this the right place to post - please let me know if not.
I have the Sprint G3. I rooted (being a first time rooter at that time) within a few weeks of getting the phone. Frankly, I don't recall how I rooted it, but I think it was using Stump'd. In any case, root went fine, installed, SU, and been using some of the Framework apps like tweaksbox.
Okay, here's what I need some help with:
I think I need to unroot the phone, return it to factory stock, and then reroot before flashing a ROM to it. Is that correct?
I've seen a couple of threads here with instructions, but I don't follow/understand much of the terminology. Hence, is this page good to use to help me - http://lgg3root.com/lg-g3-root/how-t...nbrick-lg-g3/?
Secondly, once returned to factory srock ROM, will I have to OTA update to the most current version for Sprint before rerooting? I think I've read that the current stock ROM is not yet rootable?
Third, I really want to flash a ROM because I think it will result in a lighter weight ROM to conserve battery power and because I really want to theme the phone beyond what I can do now rotted with icon packs and tweaksbox. Is the CM ROM lighter weight and will I realize better battery performance?
Lastly, I'm hesitant to install a custom ROM because I'm afraid of losing phone, data, sms, gps services. I think this after reading the custome ROM threads and see complaints regarding users not having services available or connectivity issues. Is this a legit concern or am I overthinking this?
Thanks in advance for your suggestions, tips, and feedback.

JMak00 said:
Hope this the right place to post - please let me know if not.
I have the Sprint G3. I rooted (being a first time rooter at that time) within a few weeks of getting the phone. Frankly, I don't recall how I rooted it, but I think it was using Stump'd. In any case, root went fine, installed, SU, and been using some of the Framework apps like tweaksbox.
Okay, here's what I need some help with:
I think I need to unroot the phone, return it to factory stock, and then reroot before flashing a ROM to it. Is that correct?
I've seen a couple of threads here with instructions, but I don't follow/understand much of the terminology. Hence, is this page good to use to help me - http://lgg3root.com/lg-g3-root/how-t...nbrick-lg-g3/?
Secondly, once returned to factory srock ROM, will I have to OTA update to the most current version for Sprint before rerooting? I think I've read that the current stock ROM is not yet rootable?
Third, I really want to flash a ROM because I think it will result in a lighter weight ROM to conserve battery power and because I really want to theme the phone beyond what I can do now rotted with icon packs and tweaksbox. Is the CM ROM lighter weight and will I realize better battery performance?
Lastly, I'm hesitant to install a custom ROM because I'm afraid of losing phone, data, sms, gps services. I think this after reading the custome ROM threads and see complaints regarding users not having services available or connectivity issues. Is this a legit concern or am I overthinking this?
Thanks in advance for your suggestions, tips, and feedback.
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First lets start with returning to Stock ROM. No, no you definitely do not need to return to stock factory ROM to flash a new one. Since you already are rooted all you need is a TWRP recovery.
To flash TWRP recovery to your device (Sprint G3) use this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-lg-g3/orig-development/bump-unlock-lg-g3-twrp-sprint-t2900588
It's very easy for a begginer to achive this. If you don't want to use adb, fell free to download flashify and flash the downloaded TWRP image from thread above with it.
It's even easier with flashify.
Yes CM ROM is lighter, closer to stock android, not the LG one. If you really want better battery experience you should also look up different kernels, different governors, more adavanced stuff, nothing too much.
You don't need to be scared of flashing ROMs. It's a very basic task these days.
Losing data, calling ability or other thing is very unlikely. Of course mistakes happen so be careful. First thing to do before flashing anything on your device after instaling your TWRP recovery is to do a backup.
ALWAYS DO A BACKUP OF ALL IMPORTANT PARTITIONS ON YOUR DEVICE.
To get your custom ROMs, including CM look up these:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-lg-g3/orig-development
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/development
Also be careful to flash things made only for your device (Sprint LG G3).

Very helpful and thanks.
To show off my noobness... Do custom ROMs have customer kernels or do I install a customer kernel as well as a custom ROM?

Yes, they do come with custom kernels.
But you could change kernel for some other one if you wish for.
I personally use Blisspop 3.7 on my LG G3 D855 with kernel that came with it 777 by 777jon.

Thanks, now to twrp, flash new rom and install cm 12 theme. Fingers crossed I dont go ham and brick the device.