Any devs think it's possible to lower the min clock speed on our phones? 384MHz seem a bit high compared to all the other devices I have used... (long list)
I noticed the n4 was able to bring it down to 300MHz. Any possibilities for us? Or any custom jb kernels in the works?
Thanks
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This would need to be coded in kernel. However, lowering the minimum frequence would not mean we would have better battery life. I could go really long explaining this but i'll try to keep it basic. 1st, the energy used vs frequency is not linear. For example, 500Mhz would not use half the energy than 1Ghz. 2nd, This would either cause the kernel to have an higher load than 384Mhz, which would in fact increase the energy consumption or Bump the kernel to an higher frequency, which would make that frequency useless. In both case we are not winning any battery life.
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Heya,
I've heard of this SetCPU program, and figured it has some solid potential of saving battery power.
My question is - does it work? I've read several post claiming that SetCPU doesn't work on HTC phones.
If it does - will using the "Mix \ Max frequency" mode will save battery during stand by and normal usage, or just slow down the phone?
Using Rooted Desire, LeeDroid 2.2d.
Its primary use is to overclock the CPU, its secondary use is to create profiles and reduce the clock or change the governor. This will improve battery life slightly but also decrease responsiveness, depending on how far you go.
You'll need root if you want to use it.
To really increase battery life you have to use a custom ROM with an undervolted kernel.
So you're saying that the saving in battery life is insignificant considering the slowdown in performance?
yes, you use LeeDroid which is undervolted, thus perfect conditions.
It also uses a custom governor 'Smartass' which gives you best performance while using it and limits the max. clock while sleeping. That's the most common method to increase battery life with SetCPU while maintaining performance. So no, you don't need SetCPU, LeeDroid handles everything perfectly already.
However, the Desire has a very powerful CPU, compared with other Smartphones. So you can use SetCPU to limit the clock to maybe 700MHz or 800MHz. This will increase the battery life but also reduce the processing power. If you don't play games, don't do a lot of simultaneous things or browsing huge websites, don't use heavy loaded homescreens, it's possible that you don't notice the reduced processing power.
Thanks again
I guess there is no damage to the SnapDragon if I lower clock speeds a bit...
But, if I want to do some overclocking - how far is it safe to go?
When I OC'ed my Q6600 CPU I used the TheremalRight Extreme 120 with two Slip Stream fans to cool it off.. So, will heat damage be a constant threat to an overclocked Desire?
I currently live in Israel, and it's hot as hell even on stock speeds
CoreOxide said:
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I guess there is no damage to the SnapDragon if I lower clock speeds a bit...
But, if I want to do some overclocking - how far is it safe to go?
When I OC'ed my Q6600 CPU I used the TheremalRight Extreme 120 with two Slip Stream fans to cool it off.. So, will heat damage be a constant threat to an overclocked Desire?
I currently live in Israel, and it's hot as hell even on stock speeds
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I for one has chosen to disable the default powersave in Auraxt sense, and then using SetCPU to control it, i get a day of power easily, and still goes to bed wit 50% power, that is with stock clocks on normal usage, but with minimum power (245) on screen off
Re overclocking:
To reach high clock speeds you also increase the voltage on your PC, else you can't increase the frequency that drastically.
Because you can't improve the cooling on the desire you have to keep stock voltages but also can't overclock that much.
The overclocking methods on the desire keep the voltage at stock values or even lower (defrost rom).
I don't know the voltage values for LeeDroid.
I it shouldn't get warmer. In the worst case it will crash and reboot until you reduce the clock speed.
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i have used the search and not found any solid info
what are the benefits of it if any
I haven't heard of people undervolting their fone, although i haven't looked to much.
This would mean though reducing the power that the CPU gets. I would imagine this increases battery life among other things.
Your right about what it is, but almost every custom rom/ kernel is undervolted in development section.
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Undervolting means, the CPU (or hardware in the phone) gets lower voltages, thus saving more battery & not loosing performance.
Undervolting is a process which reduces the excess "voltage" given to the CPU using a software. This is widely used as a cooling solution and in my opinion more effective than any other cooling solution available (thermal paste, cooling pad, etc) at NO cost. Undervolting will NOT compromise performance at all. Underclocking and Overclocking (clock speeds) is whats responsible in regards to performance. Benchmarks will also prove that performance remains the same.
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Not excess voltage but fully, manufacturer guaranteed, stable Core voltage to lower guesswork voltages which may or may not work and may or may not cause data loss/corruption.
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A cpu needs power for every 'clock cycle'. 1Ghz means there are a billion per second. IF you lower the voltage, there is less power used. But if you lower it too much, the cpu wo'nt be able to 'cycle its clock'...
So undervolting doesn't affect performance, since the cpu remains on 1Ghz. It decreases the power used, so you get better battery life.
Every single cpu is different, so HTC has chosen a default voltage that (shoud) work on all phones they sell. But your particular cpu could be able to work at a lower voltage. It's just a matter of trail and error. Decrease the voltage until the cpu stops working, then higher it a bit. That way you've undervolted your cpu so it uses the least power.
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A cpu needs power for every 'clock cycle'. 1Ghz means there are a billion per second. IF you lower the voltage, there is less power used. But if you lower it too much, the cpu wo'nt be able to 'cycle its clock'...
So undervolting doesn't affect performance, since the cpu remains on 1Ghz. It decreases the power used, so you get better battery life.
Every single cpu is different, so HTC has chosen a default voltage that (shoud) work on all phones they sell. But your particular cpu could be able to work at a lower voltage. It's just a matter of trail and error. Decrease the voltage until the cpu stops working, then higher it a bit. That way you've undervolted your cpu so it uses the least power.
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Very sensible answer..Thanks
koenvbeek said:
A cpu needs power for every 'clock cycle'. 1Ghz means there are a billion per second. IF you lower the voltage, there is less power used. But if you lower it too much, the cpu wo'nt be able to 'cycle its clock'...
So undervolting doesn't affect performance, since the cpu remains on 1Ghz. It decreases the power used, so you get better battery life.
Every single cpu is different, so HTC has chosen a default voltage that (shoud) work on all phones they sell. But your particular cpu could be able to work at a lower voltage. It's just a matter of trail and error. Decrease the voltage until the cpu stops working, then higher it a bit. That way you've undervolted your cpu so it uses the least power.
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How would one go about under volting .i have tried everything suggested to me and nothing really seems to make a difference
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Most kernels are undervolted and unless you can compile the kernel for yourself you are stuck with the values given by the creator. There are two exceptions for this, HAVS kernels which automaticly chose a voltage depending on temperature and some other stuff and SVS kernels with snq-'s volt selection interface (found in Leedroid and maybe some other kernels/roms).
So what exactly have you tried and what did you expect to see? Because the difference won't be that noticeable.
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Most kernels are undervolted and unless you can compile the kernel for yourself you are stuck with the values given by the creator. There are two exceptions for this, HAVS kernels which automaticly chose a voltage depending on temperature and some other stuff and SVS kernels with snq-'s volt selection interface (found in Leedroid and maybe some other kernels/roms).
So what exactly have you tried and what did you expect to see? Because the difference won't be that noticeable.
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I have tried battery calibration, using app watch dog to let me know which apps are using excessive CPU. Putting my brightness down to 10%, making sure not everything is synced, the only thing synced is beautiful widgets every 4 hours. And just about everything else that has been put forward to me. Here's another example I just taken my phone off charge at 100% and wrote this and I'm now at 73 %. And its only taken2 mins to write
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I have tried battery calibration, using app watch dog to let me know which apps are using excessive CPU. Putting my brightness down to 10%, making sure not everything is synced, the only thing synced is beautiful widgets every 4 hours. And just about everything else that has been put forward to me. Here's another example I just taken my phone off charge at 100% and wrote this and I'm now at 73 %.
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So in short you havent tried any kernel with undervolting at all!
Well that all has nothing to do with undervolting, but (extra) undervolting will not fix the drain problem you have.
Do you use setCPU cause your sig says you run at 1113MHz, which cause higher consumption. Also did you set your wifi sleep policy to never(setting-wireless and network-wifi settings-press menu-advanced-wifi sleep police).
At the moment I have the havs kernel that comes with oxygen 2.0 rc6. I have posted another topic about is the kendal good for battery life etc and no1 has told that another kendal would make anything better
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Well that all has nothing to do with undervolting, but (extra) undervolting will not fix the drain problem you have.
Do you use setCPU cause your sig says you run at 1113MHz, which cause higher consumption. Also did you set your wifi sleep policy to never(setting-wireless and network-wifi settings-press menu-advanced-wifi sleep police).
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@TheGhost1233, how exactly does one decide which kernel suits us best..
Eg: I see two undervolted kernels (I think) at 875 and 925 mV. I have no idea how to decide. Trial and error?
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@droidzone Yes trial and error. The mentioned voltage is the lowest the cpu will get at 245MHz. Not all devices are stable with 875mV (you will know if your phone freezes up) so then you move up to the 925mV min. Other than the voltage there is no difference between 875mV or 925mV.
With the HAVS kernels it can take a while before you notice the freezes cause the voltage is dynamic, so be careful if you need your phone as a alarm clock.
So I tried to underclock my One X to around 640 MHz and it was running VERY smoothly and stable with only 2 cores active. I was using the ViperX 2.2.1 ROM and the Kernel was the no OC NCX 0.99a. The battery life wasn't bad, but has anyone tried underclocking to 1 GHz or lower? If so, how is the battery life and what kernel and ROM did you use?
With SetCPU you can change the max. CPU, but why should you? When the phone doesn't need much processor power, it just scales down by itself.
So, it already has the best underclocker there is.
Mayby you could try undervolting to save even more battery, but that means the CPU can be somewhat less steady.
im trying to get my head around UVing / UCing my HOX. is there any guide around? im trying to search through the forum but still no luck.
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im trying to get my head around UVing / UCing my HOX. is there any guide around? im trying to search through the forum but still no luck.
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underclocking means the CPU runs slower so should use less battery but slower CPU speeds also means to takes longer to preform tasks which could use more battery, check on google most places say its not worth it as that battery saved is tiny and not worth the drop in CPU performance.
undervolting however lowers the voltage that CPU uses while working this does save power and also lowers heat (less voltage less heat) but if you lower it to much then the CPU becomes unstable due to lack of power and well crashes and restarts the phone in most cases.
to get the best out of undervolting you need to lock the max CPU speed to each step (CPU speed, 300mhz, 600mhz and so on) and slower the voltage and then run a bench mark (like antutu) and see if its stable, if it is you lower the voltage again and repeat until it crashes at which point you have found the lowest voltage that the clock speed can handle so you jump up a voltage then more on to the next speed.
it takes along time but that would get you the best undervolt your phone and hardware could handle.
or you can just use the global to lower the voltage for every speed, this is much faster and much less time consuming but you don't get the most out of it.
for this you basically drop the voltage then use your phone for different things; browsing, games, benchmark and see if it crashes if not lower again till it does then go back up a step.
thanks for explaining. I'm getting some of the points that I missed Awhile ago. I guess I'm going to try the longer way of doing it.
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How much can the phone be underclocked while maintaining the stability of the system?
What would happen if i set Max freq to 600 Mhz?
What is the best thing to do to save up the very last bit of juice in the battery for emergency situations where i would only need the phone and message facility? Besides switching off Bt,wifi,sync.
Im asking because i was wondering if underclocking "too much" saves a substantial amount of battery when my battery is quite low and I am "hours away" from a charging port!
And is there a way to change the carrier name on the notification drop down to whatever we want.
Sorry if i sound noobish or if a similar query has been asked before
Thnx.
Underclocking the CPU dramatically isn't going to gain you a great deal in the way of extra battery life because:
1. Unless you are heavily taxing the CPU (complex 3d games etc), the biggest drains on the battery are the screen and the radio.
2. If the screen is off, the phone will drop the CPU frequency right down anyway.
The best way to get extended battery life is simply to carry spare batteries!
Regards,
Dave
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I think 600mhz is way too low and counter productive or for that matter anything less than 1ghz. The phone will lag alot and you'll have freezes. You'll probably end up using up alot of the battery life trying to get tasks completed. You could try leaving the stock clockspeed 1.6ghz, set minimum cores to 2 and slightly undervolt to -25mv, leave the gpu setup to its default 533mhz and also undervolt to -25mv using a kernel that supports stweak app. Then run an app called Stability Test for 10minutes to check for errors.
Also I tried Go Power Master, which can be assigned to disable certain features once your battery hits critical low levels.
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I think 600mhz is way too low and counter productive or for that matter anything less than 1ghz. The phone will lag alot and you'll have freezes. You'll probably end up using up alot of the battery life trying to get tasks completed. You could try leaving the stock clockspeed 1.6ghz, set minimum cores to 2 and slightly undervolt to -25mv, leave the gpu setup to its default 533mhz and also undervolt to -25mv using a kernel that supports stweak app. Then run an app called Stability Test for 10minutes to check for errors.
Also I tried Go Power Master, which can be assigned to disable certain features once your battery hits critical low levels.
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Thats quite informative. Thanx!
Have a question regarding min CPU speed vs voltage. I run task's Roman with stock kernel. My phone is not stable unless I up the voltage on the CPU clock at both the 189 and 378 speeds to 925mv.
So here's the question... since both speeds use 925mv, wouldn't it make more sense just to leave the min CPU speed at 378? Seems to me the faster min speed would process faster allowing the phone to go into deep sleep faster and saving battery.
Thoughts?
192 and 384, you mean?
Personally, I prefer my min at 192 not cos of mV difference, but cos it keeps my phone lots cooler when at min speeds.
I asked a similar question with no response. mine goes down to 81mhz and stays stable but a higher clock speed uses the same voltage so I thought just run the higher one. unless deep sleep is consistent then it shouldnt matter. but for cases like bluetooth or music streaming the higher speed might seem better. but the more heat thing must cause more battery usage I would think
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I asked a similar question with no response.....
....more heat thing must cause more battery usage I would think
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Looks like some thread lost with time...
More heat isn't good... heat is nothing but energy dissipated... and that means energy lost... So more heat is an indicator that you are kinda pushing your CPU to work hard and harder the work, more the battery utilized.
The voltage consumption of a CPU is calculated by f*V^2. So to answer the question, even if two frequencies share the same voltage, the lower frequency will still consume less power than the higher frequency.
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