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Any real reason to root?????? Any advantages

My GS3 is still 100% stock, I have not even installed the T-mobile pushed update yet, I keep postponing it. So I'm 100% ICS 4.0.4 stock out of the box. I've added a bunch of widgets and stuff like that, but I have not rooted.
I had been using an iPhone(s) for the last 4+ years, dabbling with the occasional Android device, until I got the GS3 from T-mobile, and getting 4G speeds is amazing, especially after being in EDGE LIMBO on the iPhone for so long.
So the core of my question is WHY ROOT. Rooting is NOT like Jailbreaking an iPhone, since it seems like I can pretty much do 99% of anything with the phone without rooting. To me, seems that rooting only offers the AdBlock feature and WiFi tether option, then the ability to flash roms - and it seems like Flashing roms on this device can introduce problems like loss of IMEI and I've seen some reports of 4G no longer working or slowing down from the stock speeds.
Forgive me, because I know iPhone chatter gets peoples blood boiling over here, but that's what I have to compare against, my experience with rooted android devices are pretty limited.
SO: Without making this message long and boring - What are the serious advantages to rooting? And is it worth it? And at the risk of sounding like a jerk, I'm not a phone noob, just an android noob. I've had smart phones for A LONG TIME, all the way back to the Nokia Symbian phones...................
Some information if anyone cares, and just in case this info influences the information.
I'm in T-mobile USA. I've got the unlimited data/1st 2Gb at 4g plan.
Stock out of the box GS3 16gb model (32gb sdcard)
Primarily a Widnows user, but my MacBook air is dual bootcamped - but I use Windows 7 99% of the time
On my previous android phone (LG Thrill/optimus) which I rooted, the adblock thingy prevented me from viewing many of my emails which I do browse - like Newegg, Amazon, Groupon. They were all considered spam/ad's I guess?
I don't *THINK* having a Wifi hotspot would be something I'd ever use, but you never know.
My T-mobile plan was ancient until last year when I switched to a more modern plan that offered 4G instead of only t-zones, and I do not have the hotspot option - so I can't do hotspot without rooting (at least I think I can't)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not afraid of rooting, just wondering if there is any significant advantage? While I like the idea of flashing roms, most of the time I'm not a fan of beta testing stuff... like I heard CM10 was awesome, but apparently there were issues with the camera app not working 100% of the time........ that's not acceptable to me, especially since I have a new grandbaby and snap TONS of pictures now a days.
On another phone I had, which was a Samsung galaxy S 4g (small tiny t-mobile phone) and as I recall the LG thrill too, by modifying the build prop you could increase the hsdpa+ settings and get better data access at faster rates.......? Not sure if there is any way to get faster data speeds on the GS3?
Well, I guess that's enough for now............................. Any help would be appreciated.

I found jailbreaking iOS to be pointless. But feel the opposite about rooting Android. But the thing I like the most about Android doesn't even require root; flashing new firmware. Today I'm running CM10, tomorrow I'm running AOKP. Because I can. Rooting facilitates my addiction.
If you root, Android is your playground. Titanium Backup is amazing if you like to flash new firmware (I use it differently from CWM nandroids). Root Explorer gives you total control over your file system. AdFree to block ads, as you mentioned. Terminal Emulator (all the fun commands require su). Making a fully touch-based game work with an XBox360 controller.
Maybe rooting isn't right for you. But it takes two minutes and has zero downsides. Back up your IMEI before you start flashing (Terminal Emulator > su > reboot nvbackup).

With root u can control things like cpu speed, and voltage table (and if you have a custom kernel you can overclock)
You can also freeze apps you don't need, access files you normally wouldn't be able to like /etc/hosts to block ads.
You can also install some fun apps that require root like dsploit and droidsheep lol
Rooting opens up your phone to do a lot more.
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Aerowinder said:
I found jailbreaking iOS to be pointless. But feel the opposite about rooting Android. But the thing I like the most about Android doesn't even require root; flashing new firmware. Today I'm running CM10, tomorrow I'm running AOKP. Because I can. Rooting facilitates my addiction.
If you root, Android is your playground. Titanium Backup is amazing if you like to flash new firmware (I use it differently from CWM nandroids). Root Explorer gives you total control over your file system. AdFree to block ads, as you mentioned. Terminal Emulator (all the fun commands require su). Making a fully touch-based game work with an XBox360 controller.
Maybe rooting isn't right for you. But it takes two minutes and has zero downsides. Back up your IMEI before you start flashing (Terminal Emulator > su > reboot nvbackup).
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thanks for the info in Ur signature Hun, I found it very helpful

Hmm. optimization and longer battery life of custom ROMs. Uhh expirement with changing radio to get better signal.
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ayeitschris said:
Hmm. optimization and longer battery life of custom ROMs. Uhh expirement with changing radio to get better signal
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Don't need root for either of those.

Aerowinder said:
Don't need root for either of those.
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Technically no.. but rooting usually comes hand in hand with those things.
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It gives you more options. Such as switching between touchwiz ROMs and CM10/AOSP/AOPK. Flashing custom kernels & radios for better performance/battery life.

So you can back up your stars in bad piggies. And delete stupid system apps.

***REMOVE BLOATWARE****....main reason I rooted ..and still stock LOL

To gain full control over the android device.

With everything else said above I'd like to add "the ability to install custom members apps that do more" and other apps in the app store that require root such as call blockers which I love.

Not really. I've been back and forth between stock and pretty much every rom. Currently I got tired of f'ing with my phone and I'm on stock and I plan to stay there until CM10 is stable and has better battery life.

When I first got my s3 I to didn't see a huge gain in rooting since they came out with apps like Foxfi that allow wireless tethering without root and having the latest ICS was great but having the options too use titanium backup to backup all of my apps and their data and upload it to a cloud service and using other root apps like CPU sleeper and ROM tool box to under clock my CPU so I can save my battery rooting your phone is just for more convenient controls over the normal if you feel like you don't need to root then don't you still have a great phone
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maxcaos said:
When I first got my s3 I to didn't see a huge gain in rooting since they came out with apps like Foxfi that allow wireless tethering without root and having the latest ICS was great but having the options too use titanium backup to backup all of my apps and their data and upload it to a cloud service and using other root apps like CPU sleeper and ROM tool box to under clock my CPU so I can save my battery rooting your phone is just for more convenient controls over the normal if you feel like you don't need to root then don't you still have a great phone
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You need some punctuation in your life.
I've tried a few custom roms on this phone, don't really see a need for them though. They all have one issue or another with them. Might go back to stock to compare battery life.

kitsunisan said:
You need some punctuation in your life.
I've tried a few custom roms on this phone, don't really see a need for them though. They all have one issue or another with them. Might go back to stock to compare battery life.
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One sentence paragraphs and fragments, really?

psykhotic said:
One sentence paragraphs and fragments, really?
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Really.

Well i rooted mine because I wanted to disable a few bloatware, and also some apps in market will not fully function without root. I'm not much of a flashaholic, I've stayed with just a rooted stock..
I'm just sayin!

Flashing wicked v6 is worth rooting alone. Also for better phone performance as said earlier. But devices are finally getting good enough where you dont need to root necessarily. This is the first phone Ive had in a while where I didnt root immediately because it was very nice stock.
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[Q] Please help me get my marriage back on track ;)

Hi all.
Been an Android user for about as long as it's been out there and I have almost always rooted and installed custom ROM's on my devices. Last year I finally managed to convince the wife to upgrade to Android (enter the ARC S). She was delighted but the phone was always a bit slugish. When the ICS update came out I pressed her to upgrade because I thought she would benefit from the upgrade and the speeds might improve. So after a few months she finally gave in and about 2 weeks ago I did the upgrade. Aaaaaaannnndddddd that's when it all went to hell. Her phone is slow. Soooooo painfully slow that even an old HTC Desire loaded with a Sense 3.5 / 4 ROM is outperforming it by miles. She is mad. Soooooo very mad at me since then for having made her phone all that much worse. Reading up on it I know now that the upgrade was a bust and that Sony dropped the ball with this one.
So now I am looking to redeem myself. Usually I'd just root the phone, slap on some recovery software and flash away a couple of ROM's and choose from them. But this device seems to be not so straight forward. So I am turning to the community for help. What I am looking to do is install a custom ROM that is smooth and fast and will stay that way for as long as possible. Preferably one that is JB based and as easy to get on the device as possible. Now I know that when this question gets put out there people are often greeted with the "flash 'em and try" response, but my wife is reluctant to let me do anything else to her phone, let alone experiment with many a ROM. So I am asking for opinions. Any ROM as long as it's fast. The ROM that gets the most positive opinions wins and that is what I'll flash and hopefully save my marriage
Please keep in mind the phone is SIM locked and not rooted. It's basically an original ARC S with ICS on it. I have no recovery or rooting experience with this device, so it would be lovely if this could be done simply. I don't really want to over complicate things and risk gorking the thing even more.
Thanks in advance to all you members out there!

Hi.
You could just have Googled best rom arc s and read one of the numerous threads on the subject, and these threads are just another variation of best rom threads which are also now starting to build up. Root and and remove crap, few build.prop and init.d tweaks and you'll have a nippy Phone that works as it should, install a custom ROM then she isn't going to be happy when something doesn't work and you're constantly taking it of her to sort it out.

XperienceD said:
Hi.
You could just have Googled best rom arc s and read one of the numerous threads on the subject, and these threads are just another variation of best rom threads which are also now starting to build up. Root and and remove crap, few build.prop and init.d tweaks and you'll have a nippy Phone that works as it should, install a custom ROM then she isn't going to be happy when something doesn't work and you're constantly taking it of her to sort it out.
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I did. And I actually considered (still am tbh) the Ultimate HD. But thought maybe there was something out there better and no frills. As for the root and decrap option, that's actually a pretty good idea. But won't the crap just load back? I mean, on most roms when I remove the bloatware it just loads up again via market. As for build.prop I don't know much. Could you just tip me a thread topic or what not and I will search. Or topics even.
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Pitbull_Raven said:
I did. And I actually considered (still am tbh) the Ultimate HD. But thought maybe there was something out there better and no frills. As for the root and decrap option, that's actually a pretty good idea. But won't the crap just load back? I mean, on most roms when I remove the bloatware it just loads up again via market. As for build.prop I don't know much. Could you just tip me a thread topic or what not and I will search. Or topics even.
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Best thing is to try honestly (I wouldn't say ultimate hd is a bad choice )
And bloatware wouldn't load back once you've removed them so dont worry
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jman2131 said:
Best thing is to try honestly (I wouldn't say ultimate hd is a bad choice )
And bloatware wouldn't load back once you've removed them so dont worry
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Thanks. Will have to consider it.
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Try Ultimate HD 2.0.3 / Xperia T ROM
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Thanks. Will have to consider it.
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I have been using that ROM for around a week now and my phone is faster than ever.. The only issue seems to be in sending items via bluetooth (accept works smooth, but the option in send via is missing). But if your wife doesn't use that much bluetooth file sharing, then I'd recommend this ROM. Another good choice would be XPERIA T ROM for Arc S - Comparatively its a tad bit slower (not noticeable) but loads of more features (WalkMan has GraceNote, ClearAudio. Album has SenseMe etc.) Both are stable for daily use.

vish2407 said:
I have been using that ROM for around a week now and my phone is faster than ever.. The only issue seems to be in sending items via bluetooth (accept works smooth, but the option in send via is missing). But if your wife doesn't use that much bluetooth file sharing, then I'd recommend this ROM. Another good choice would be XPERIA T ROM for Arc S - Comparatively its a tad bit slower (not noticeable) but loads of more features (WalkMan has GraceNote, ClearAudio. Album has SenseMe etc.) Both are stable for daily use.
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Thank you for the input. Bluetooth is not an issue. She rarely uses it at all. So yes, I'll keep it in mind. I'll have to decide till tomorrow morning seeing as how I am going to try to get it done over the weekend. To those of you that took the time to reply, my thanks!

Pitbull_Raven said:
Thank you for the input. Bluetooth is not an issue. She rarely uses it at all. So yes, I'll keep it in mind. I'll have to decide till tomorrow morning seeing as how I am going to try to get it done over the weekend. To those of you that took the time to reply, my thanks!
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So did you install one finally??
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vish2407 said:
So did you install one finally??
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Actually, no. She forbade me
I'm guessing she's scared it'll just get worse or I'll mess it up even more. She won't even allow me to root it. At this point, I am hoping that some official fix comes along so that I can at least get her phone back to acceptable status. It's sooooooo slow. My old HTC Desire flies like a bat with a lit match stuck up it's butt compared to her Arc S right now. I mean, pulling up the phone dialer takes literally between 7 to 17 seconds to open just the dialer. And don't even dare to tap "contacts" because it can take you the best part of 30 seconds to see them appear.
SONY didn't just drop the ball with releasing this update; they bloody well stabbed it with a hunting knife to deflate it first so the ball would never bounce again... and then they dropped it.
Really, I am so sad for her every time I see her trying to do something on her phone. She used to love it. Now I see her turning away from it every chance she gets. It's really heartbreaking, and I am not trying to be funny. It really does pain me to see this happen.

Pitbull_Raven said:
Actually, no. She forbade me
I'm guessing she's scared it'll just get worse or I'll mess it up even more. She won't even allow me to root it. At this point, I am hoping that some official fix comes along so that I can at least get her phone back to acceptable status. It's sooooooo slow. My old HTC Desire flies like a bat with a lit match stuck up it's butt compared to her Arc S right now. I mean, pulling up the phone dialer takes literally between 7 to 17 seconds to open just the dialer. And don't even dare to tap "contacts" because it can take you the best part of 30 seconds to see them appear.
SONY didn't just drop the ball with releasing this update; they bloody well stabbed it with a hunting knife to deflate it first so the ball would never bounce again... and then they dropped it.
Really, I am so sad for her every time I see her trying to do something on her phone. She used to love it. Now I see her turning away from it every chance she gets. It's really heartbreaking, and I am not trying to be funny. It really does pain me to see this happen.
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Yes, and atheistically Arc S is an awesome phone. And since its good under the hood as well, with a good custom FW, it really flies. My condolences to you my friend. However I have used Arc with stock FW as well, hence will suggest you some tips to enhance performance
1. Disable FaceBook Inside Xperia - It lags the system like hell
2. Remove the Timescape widget and live wallpapers if set.
3. Disable AutoSync if possible or keep it on for accounts other than FaceBook
4. Clear messages and call history a few days - I know it sounds strange - but it sure used to speed up my Arc.
5. Using tools like App Cache Cleaner and RAM Booster can help speed it up

vish2407 said:
Yes, and atheistically Arc S is an awesome phone. And since its good under the hood as well, with a good custom FW, it really flies. My condolences to you my friend. However I have used Arc with stock FW as well, hence will suggest you some tips to enhance performance
1. Disable FaceBook Inside Xperia - It lags the system like hell
2. Remove the Timescape widget and live wallpapers if set.
3. Disable AutoSync if possible or keep it on for accounts other than FaceBook
4. Clear messages and call history a few days - I know it sounds strange - but it sure used to speed up my Arc.
5. Using tools like App Cache Cleaner and RAM Booster can help speed it up
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Thanks for those tips. Will surely come in handy. How can I disable FB in the Arc? I know how to remove the account, but I think it's somehow integrated into the ROM, right? Is that what you meant?

Pitbull_Raven said:
Thanks for those tips. Will surely come in handy. How can I disable FB in the Arc? I know how to remove the account, but I think it's somehow integrated into the ROM, right? Is that what you meant?
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He didn't mean Facebook itself, but Facebook inside Xperia. It's that awesome feature that let's you do things you don't need to... seriously. I don't remember well where it is in settings, but it is there (I flashed a custom JB rom so I can't tell you where it is). I guess it was in "Xperia" but I'm not sure on that one. Autosync takes a huge amount of the guilt for making it slower, allow it only when you enable wifi, if possible. Check RAM usage, and look for apps that are not in use, and uninstall them.
If you really want it fast, then why not flashing a GB lightweighted Rom or even the debloated stock one? There are quite a few around here that you can flash. Just check the development section. It won't have a lot of features as ICS does, but as this phone was designed for GB, it will run in a decent way.
I used Ultimate HD for a while, and let me tell you, it was great. It offers very nice features. 5x4 apps drawer like in Xperia T (also Xperia T's boot animation); very nice design; on-screen buttons at choice; quick toggle panel (that is really handy); walkman app; new calendar app; the new album app that allows you to see the photos on map (if geotag was allowed when taken); included overclocking tool; and much more, being quite fast at the same time. I just switched to JB for the sake of feeling JB in my hand! But of course, if I see that it doesn't suit me well, I'm going back to ICS, back to UHD.
If you really want to make it faster, your best choice is to convince her to flash a custom ROM. Stock is well aesthetically designed, but as you said yourself, laggy as hell. Some of those custom ROMs are even able to be used with locked bootloader (although I would recommend to unlock the bootloader, check link at my signature from the android soul community). My suggestion: Read. She won't, you will. The chances of schrewing it up are lower if you inform yourself of the risks. I usually do this: I read the OP, and then I go to the last 5 pages, and read some repplies. It tells me whether people are having issues recently, or if there's a common issue.
Good luck convincing her :fingers-crossed:

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He didn't mean Facebook itself, but Facebook inside Xperia. It's that awesome feature that let's you do things you don't need to... seriously. I don't remember well where it is in settings, but it is there (I flashed a custom JB rom so I can't tell you where it is). I guess it was in "Xperia" but I'm not sure on that one. Autosync takes a huge amount of the guilt for making it slower, allow it only when you enable wifi, if possible. Check RAM usage, and look for apps that are not in use, and uninstall them.
If you really want it fast, then why not flashing a GB lightweighted Rom or even the debloated stock one? There are quite a few around here that you can flash. Just check the development section. It won't have a lot of features as ICS does, but as this phone was designed for GB, it will run in a decent way.
I used Ultimate HD for a while, and let me tell you, it was great. It offers very nice features. 5x4 apps drawer like in Xperia T (also Xperia T's boot animation); very nice design; on-screen buttons at choice; quick toggle panel (that is really handy); walkman app; new calendar app; the new album app that allows you to see the photos on map (if geotag was allowed when taken); included overclocking tool; and much more, being quite fast at the same time. I just switched to JB for the sake of feeling JB in my hand! But of course, if I see that it doesn't suit me well, I'm going back to ICS, back to UHD.
If you really want to make it faster, your best choice is to convince her to flash a custom ROM. Stock is well aesthetically designed, but as you said yourself, laggy as hell. Some of those custom ROMs are even able to be used with locked bootloader (although I would recommend to unlock the bootloader, check link at my signature from the android soul community). My suggestion: Read. She won't, you will. The chances of schrewing it up are lower if you inform yourself of the risks. I usually do this: I read the OP, and then I go to the last 5 pages, and read some repplies. It tells me whether people are having issues recently, or if there's a common issue.
Good luck convincing her :fingers-crossed:
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Oh wow, thanks for the info! This thread is actually becoming more helpful then I expected. You can bet I'll keep trying to convince her. Also I'll check the FB issue and see if I can get something sorted.

Pitbull_Raven said:
Oh wow, thanks for the info! This thread is actually becoming more helpful then I expected. You can bet I'll keep trying to convince her. Also I'll check the FB issue and see if I can get something sorted.
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Good luck on that one :highfive: And don't forget to click thanks on the posts that you found helpful

So good news! She finally had enough and can't stand the slowness anymore. I have the go ahead to do what I want to the device. So now everything is an option. So from what I gathered so far, first I must unlock bootloader. But this means formating the data partition, thus loosing everything.
Is it at all possible to root first so I can Titanium Backup the hell out of this phone first? LT18i running stock 4.0.4 and 4.1.B.0.587.
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Pitbull_Raven said:
So good news! She finally had enough and can't stand the slowness anymore. I have the go ahead to do what I want to the device. So now everything is an option. So from what I gathered so far, first I must unlock bootloader. But this means formating the data partition, thus loosing everything.
Is it at all possible to root first so I can Titanium Backup the hell out of this phone first? LT18i running stock 4.0.4 and 4.1.B.0.587.
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Yes. root it, backup your apps using titanium backup. (i recommend paid version) backup contacts and sms also. unlock your bootloader, flash custom kernel, (i recommend rush kernel), do full wipe (wipe absolutely everything except sd card of course since your backups are all there.) flash custom rom (preferably stock based roms since they are more stable. Try ultimate hd or jelly sandwich).
boot up for the first time, first boot usually slower. Complete First time setup, let it sit for awhile, like 5 minutes, install titanium, restore apps and contacts, make sure the apps are working. Some apps like line won't work after restoring with data from titanium and I had to clear it's app data first. set cpu governor to performance and add a bit of overclock (1.5 or 1.6). she won't know what these are anyway and she'd stop whining about lags. remember to set to overclock on boot. reboot phone and you're done.
I do this for my girl too. I'd still recommend ultimate hd 2.0.3. but you should mess around with the settings to see what it has to offer first. And also remember to search within their threads to find current unfixed bugs and their solutions.
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Yes. root it, backup your apps using titanium backup. (i recommend paid version) backup contacts and sms also. unlock your bootloader, flash custom kernel, (i recommend rush kernel), do full wipe (wipe absolutely everything except sd card of course since your backups are all there.) flash custom rom (preferably stock based roms since they are more stable. Try ultimate hd or jelly sandwich).
boot up for the first time, first boot usually slower. Complete First time setup, let it sit for awhile, like 5 minutes, install titanium, restore apps and contacts, make sure the apps are working. Some apps like line won't work after restoring with data from titanium and I had to clear it's app data first. set cpu governor to performance and add a bit of overclock (1.5 or 1.6). she won't know what these are anyway and she'd stop whining about lags. remember to set to overclock on boot. reboot phone and you're done.
I do this for my girl too. I'd still recommend ultimate hd 2.0.3. but you should mess around with the settings to see what it has to offer first. And also remember to search within their threads to find current unfixed bugs and their solutions.
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Very helpful. Thanks. I have TB paid version, so it shouldn't be a problem. Was just wondering how to root without unlocking boot first. I can see many a tutorial, but all seem to tell how to unlock bl first.
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you don't need to unlock bl to root... and once you unlock bl you won't need to root because most custom roms and kernels come pre-rooted. use flashtool to root. download flashtool if you haven't already. It's like the all in one toolbox if you're just a user.
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Will definitely look into it. Many thanks.
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[Q] Custom ROM on GN2

Hello all,
First post, although I've been a fan of XDA for several years and have never signed up for an account as I have typically googled to find all my answers. I signed up yesterday to ask a perplexing question to me today. I've installed custom ROM's on my last couple smart phones and loved them for all the reasons I know many people on this site do. Now I got a GalaxyNote 2, I rooted it and installed CM10 - thrilled I must say...kudos to Skip for the great GN2 toolkit!
Then I found out that the multi-view and S-Pen from my research don't work on AOSP ROM's. What then would be the benefit of a ROM on GN2? Or have I not done enough homework to find the missing links? I did find this thread for mult-view but I'm not comfortable proceeding with it. I understand Papyrus works for S-pen.
To me with a phablet this big. These 2 solutions would keep me from staying rooted and return to stock. Yet, I truly love the speed and simplicity of CM10. Without all the Vendor bloatware - but that just gives me an overgrown smartphone... what am I missing?
Thankful for any/all your insights and suggestions.
Jason

I would try this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2170142
It's asethically based off AOSP but has all of the great TW features. It's, hands down, my favorite ROM out at the moment.
JRL70 said:
Hello all,
First post, although I've been a fan of XDA for several years and have never signed up for an account as I have typically googled to find all my answers. I signed up yesterday to ask a perplexing question to me today. I've installed custom ROM's on my last couple smart phones and loved them for all the reasons I know many people on this site do. Now I got a GalaxyNote 2, I rooted it and installed CM10 - thrilled I must say...kudos to Skip for the great GN2 toolkit!
Then I found out that the multi-view and S-Pen from my research don't work on AOSP ROM's. What then would be the benefit of a ROM on GN2? Or have I not done enough homework to find the missing links? I did find this thread for mult-view but I'm not comfortable proceeding with it. I understand Papyrus works for S-pen.
To me with a phablet this big. These 2 solutions would keep me from staying rooted and return to stock. Yet, I truly love the speed and simplicity of CM10. Without all the Vendor bloatware - but that just gives me an overgrown smartphone... what am I missing?
Thankful for any/all your insights and suggestions.
Jason
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JRL70 said:
Hello all,
First post, although I've been a fan of XDA for several years and have never signed up for an account as I have typically googled to find all my answers. I signed up yesterday to ask a perplexing question to me today. I've installed custom ROM's on my last couple smart phones and loved them for all the reasons I know many people on this site do. Now I got a GalaxyNote 2, I rooted it and installed CM10 - thrilled I must say...kudos to Skip for the great GN2 toolkit!
Then I found out that the multi-view and S-Pen from my research don't work on AOSP ROM's. What then would be the benefit of a ROM on GN2? Or have I not done enough homework to find the missing links? I did find this thread for mult-view but I'm not comfortable proceeding with it. I understand Papyrus works for S-pen.
To me with a phablet this big. These 2 solutions would keep me from staying rooted and return to stock. Yet, I truly love the speed and simplicity of CM10. Without all the Vendor bloatware - but that just gives me an overgrown smartphone... what am I missing?
Thankful for any/all your insights and suggestions.
Jason
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Thank you!! I feel the same way, I love this phone's functions and don't want to lose any but I have been using cyanogenmod since the g1 days. Guess I will be waiting until they get a fully functional version going

I would try this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2170142
It's asethically based off AOSP but has all of the great TW features. It's, hands down, my favorite ROM out at the moment.
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Can you update apps? There was a comment that one app couldn't be updated or it would cause issue??
Thanks for the quick posts... I found this... http://droidviews.com/2013/best-custom-roms-for-sprint-galaxy-note-2-sph-l900/
MIUI seems to be a decent ROM and has S-Pen and multi-view built in... Now I have a couple options!
I feel a bit better...

I'm downloading that AOSP Touch Wiz ROM right now to give it a go. Could be a better solution to my stock rooted MA7 with Apex Launcher Jelly Bean theme.
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JRL70 said:
... I rooted it and installed CM10 ... I found out that the multi-view and S-Pen from my research don't work on AOSP ROM's. What then would be the benefit of a ROM on GN2? Or have I not done enough homework ...These 2 solutions would keep me from staying rooted and return to stock. ... what am I missing? ...
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First, yes, you didn't do enough research. No biggie.
You have to remember, CM is still in beta and has a few things that do not work yet. If memory serves me well, they're listed in the first post for CM.
The multiwindow aspect of the GN2/GS3 is built into the framework for touchwiz and android. So, it's not likely something we'll see very soon in CM. I think they may be waiting for Google to implement into Android.
I don't know about the Spen. That may be more specific to the phone more than touchwiz, and that may be just something the devs are waiting for Samsung to release details on, or some dev to more reverse engineer.
Lastly, you don't have to unroot to be stock. A lot of people, such as myself, are rooted, but run stock roms. I run deoxidized versions to I can use the mutliwindow and have the 4-1 reboot. I like having root for some important apps, for me, require it, such as Titanium Bakcup, WiFi tether, and Busybox. It's not that hard to get rid of bloat when you're rooted. Just make a nandroid incase you delete something you shouldn't have.

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First, yes, you didn't do enough research. No biggie.
You have to remember, CM is still in beta and has a few things that do not work yet. If memory serves me well, they're listed in the first post for CM.
The multiwindow aspect of the GN2/GS3 is built into the framework for touchwiz and android. So, it's not likely something we'll see very soon in CM. I think they may be waiting for Google to implement into Android.
I don't know about the Spen. That may be more specific to the phone more than touchwiz, and that may be just something the devs are waiting for Samsung to release details on, or some dev to more reverse engineer.
Lastly, you don't have to unroot to be stock. A lot of people, such as myself, are rooted, but run stock roms. I run deoxidized versions to I can use the mutliwindow and have the 4-1 reboot. I like having root for some important apps, for me, require it, such as Titanium Bakcup, WiFi tether, and Busybox. It's not that hard to get rid of bloat when you're rooted. Just make a nandroid incase you delete something you shouldn't have.
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Thanks for your insight. I appreciate it. Also in my research, I read information where Android told Cyanogen to stop incorporating Multi-view and S-pen into their ROM's so we will have to see if that happens and the features ever come to light. CM's always in Beta... yes their Beta for GN2 is new - I get it and will have to see what happens. in the interim.. I'm looking for help from the members to find a working rom. Perhaps you can suggest the rom that you are using... sounds interesting and I'd much rather flash something that the dev's on here have cleaned up than try to do it myself... and yes, I do support with donations

Personally, I'm just running a deoxidized stock rom with Perseus kernel. The rom did have the bloat. I just deleted stuff I didn't want with Titanium backup, after making sure to back it up; it's a CYA move. I have goofed and deleted something that cause Google Play not to function. You kind of figure out what you can't and can delete without issue.
Right now, the stock rom does what I need and most of what I want. I haven't found anything I couldn't do because of stock. It would be nice to have hybrid functionality, but it's not a deal breaker. I personally haven't seen anything on AOSP that is a must have. Being rooted, must have.
I do like CM and thought it was a lot better than the stock rom when I was still using my Evo4G. I'm just waiting for CM to have everything working, other than the Spen and mutliwindow, before trying it out.
I would love to have something like Boot Manager so I can have mutliple ROMs loaded. When I had it on my Evo, I usually had three--stock, CM, and some experimental alpha or early beta. I haven't really seen anyone do a bare minimum stock rom. Those are nice, than you can just add the other feature you like instead of trying to get rid of what you don't.

SPen and multi window are samsungs intellectual property, ie they are proprietary code that an after market firmware can't incorporate with violating copyrights. Google won't let CM use the multiview feature, yet, as it is being incorporated into AOSP so they will have it in a future release. Googles already pushed the MV commits upstream its just not activated yet. There are other options if you're saavy enough to merge code and compile a rom for yourself such as cornerstone by onskreen, their code has gone fully opensource now so you can clone their git into yours and merge it with an AOSP rom of your choice then do the necessary modifications to the code and compile it.
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So far I've only run into two apps that are unable to update or having problems after an update. If you update youtube, you won't be able to sign in, which sucks. The calendar app won't update, also. I've tried deleting it and installing it from the market, but that still doesn't work out. Other than those two, everything else is fine. Dev did a great job

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So far I've only run into two apps that are unable to update or having problems after an update. If you update youtube, you won't be able to sign in, which sucks. The calendar app won't update, also. I've tried deleting it and installing it from the market, but that still doesn't work out. Other than those two, everything else is fine. Dev did a great job
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I'm running the AOSPNoWiz 1.4 right now and you also can't use your Samsung account without getting FC for Scloud.sync. I disabled my Samsung account and it went away.
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Have you noticed...

Everyone wants to unlock their bootloader so they can run a custom ROM, the supposed purpose being to improve performance and gain new features. But then, once they get the new ROM on there, they keep posting about all the problems they are having, and how this, that or the other doesn't work as well as stock. After goofing with every, and I mean EVERY ROM available for the Razr M, IMHO there's absolutely no reason to use a custom ROM if you are expecting "like stock" performance. It's fun, it's addicting, it can get crazy sometimes, but don't expect it to ever be "Final". More than likely, it will be abandoned the moment a new phone or Android version comes along, and you'll be left with all those unsolved FCs and "almost works" features left hanging. Sad, really.
And then there's the whole "let's take the stock ROM from some other phone entirely and try to make it work on our phone" thing. I totally don't get that. If you like the Necco Choco-Android-o-rama's OS so well, why not just buy that phone instead? I'm just sayin'...
Rooting? That's totally different. I don't know what they do in other countries for bloatware, but Verizon certainly loads up some stinker software here in the US. Tell me, unless you're really into that sort of thing, why would the average shmoe care about Zappos? I certainly don't! And, if I wanted an app for NFL football, I'm perfectly capable of picking one from Google Play, yeah? Same with all the Amazon shtuff. Yeah I get it, advertising helps cover manufacturing costs, and all that jazz. Sure they do it to every new PC from Brand Name X too, but at least you can uninstall it. So rooting is sort of revenge for hogging my limited storage space and then limiting my ability to do anything about it.
And since I'm on this rant anyway, please... PLEASE!!! No more of this "Let's see if we can make our Android look like an iPhone" crap. Or worse, "Windows 8 Phone" crap! - Ewww! That's like taking a Jaguar and trying to make it look like a Ford Pinto... you might manage it, but who the heck would want it?
This rant has been a Public Service Announcement. The thoughts and views expressed herein are not to be considered... period. :silly:

You said it!
I linked to this from my restore where I have a commentary section.

I totally agree. Don't flash ROMs if your going to complain. Its one thing to report to the devs and quite another to ***** about it. And good on ya for the entire rant.
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I really hope the motox stock can be ported.
It would be a big event if he & others did it.
I thank them on each post.
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I originally rooted and unlocked my bootloader on this phone because of the screen shake issue that a Motorola introduced in an update if that didn't happen I may not of rooted the phone its stock ROM has such a good layout its no wonder so many complain. I however knew what I was getting into. Rule of thumb to new flashers backups are your friend and don't piss off the developers.

I like stock... de-bloat it and its good to go... just wish I could find something to mod the navi bar... remove the recent apps button replace it with the menu button and change color of it...
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well, the main reason why folks are not as excited about the new ROMs, is b/c there are not any ground-breaking features on the 4.2.2 or 4.3 operating systems. When I got my first android, I had Froyo. Folks were dying to get to Gingerbread in order to vastly increase performance/battery life.
the deal with Jelly Bean, is that the upgrade from stock 4.1.2 to 4.2.2 or 4.3 is minimal at best - and the changes are mostly aesthetics (although, I read that 4.3 has better bluetooth connectivity). but mostly, 4.2.2/4.3 are primarily geared towards tablets.
the race is on now to see what KitKat can bring to current phone users.
in terms of improvements, just as radorix said, these custom ROMs eliminated the shakes that I was getting on 4.1.2. so for me, while that was not a huge deal, it's enough for me to go custom.
personally, I like the tiles layout of 4.2.2 as well as the AOKP customization, so I'll stick with that for now given that my battery life/performance is stock-like.

*claps* You said it. The Razr M has actually been the first Android phone I owned where I've kept the stock ROM. I think it does fine with 4.1.2 atm, and if I really wanted a change I'd probably just theme it.

The only thing that matters to me is stability and speed. I like a fast phone and I like to o/c, push the phone. I like to test things and try to understand its problems rather than build myself because I don't have the time. If I can find the right medium between speed and stability it becomes my dd, naturally. But stock was built for a reason and every now and then I go back to 4.1.2 because I miss some of the features. Like the far left quick settings menu and Circle Clock. Why have to find a work around to add all these features and fixes to a reimagined custom OS that causes more problems when its already working? We wouldn't have anything to work with if we didn't have the source to start at!

Couldn't agree more. I've had 9 different android devices in the past 4 years. Only ones I haven't rooted are my Sony tablet s (original, don't even get me started with their abandonment of this thing, hey let's leave bugs, make a seemingly unlockable boot loader, not share any code, abandon it after realizing all the bugs exist, then support everything we make after it) and my original nexus 7. I too came back to a stock debloated deodexed ROM for the RAZR M.
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JPHoller said:
Couldn't agree more. I've had 9 different android devices in the past 4 years. Only ones I haven't rooted are my Sony tablet s (original, don't even get me started with their abandonment of this thing, hey let's leave bugs, make a seemingly unlockable boot loader, not share any code, abandon it after realizing all the bugs exist, then support everything we make after it) and my original nexus 7. I too came back to a stock debloated deodexed ROM for the RAZR M.
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Lol. Not the only Sammy device they've dropped. Heard of the Galaxy Player 4.2?
Oh and ezknives, you do realize the menu button is completely redundant right? Considering it pops up if needed and isn't even supported/required for Holo apps
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sloosecannon said:
Lol. Not the only Sammy device they've dropped. Heard of the Galaxy Player 4.2?
Oh and ezknives, you do realize the menu button is completely redundant right? Considering it pops up if needed and isn't even supported/required for Holo apps
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Not for me... with-in various apps it does not... when on different ROMs and I removed the multitasking feature and replaced it with a menu key I was able to utilize features that was other wise inaccessible... like deleting messages in Facebook app for instance... that cannot be done without a menu button or opening your browser and requesting the desktop site... I just need my menu key its never there when I need it...and I don't know what halo apps are nor use it I don't believe...
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ezknives said:
Not for me... with-in various apps it does not... when on different ROMs and I removed the multitasking feature and replaced it with a menu key I was able to utilize features that was other wise inaccessible... like deleting messages in Facebook app for instance... that cannot be done without a menu button or opening your browser and requesting the desktop site... I just need my menu key its never there when I need it...and I don't know what halo apps are nor use it I don't believe...
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Holo means apps designed for android 4.0+.
It's the ICS+ ui style. There should be a way to access the menu without a dedicated button - either built-in or by telling the system it's a legacy app that needs the settings button to appear
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Everyone wants to unlock their bootloader so they can run a custom ROM, the supposed purpose being to improve performance and gain new features. But then, once they get the new ROM on there, they keep posting about all the problems they are having, and how this, that or the other doesn't work as well as stock. After goofing with every, and I mean EVERY ROM available for the Razr M, IMHO there's absolutely no reason to use a custom ROM if you are expecting "like stock" performance. It's fun, it's addicting, it can get crazy sometimes, but don't expect it to ever be "Final". More than likely, it will be abandoned the moment a new phone or Android version comes along, and you'll be left with all those unsolved FCs and "almost works" features left hanging. Sad, really.
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Meh. I disagree. I've been running CM since it went official and I haven't had any complaints. I experience much-better-than-stock performance and battery life, plus it is way more customizable. I love it!

allc0re said:
Meh. I disagree. I've been running CM since it went official and I haven't had any complaints. I experience much-better-than-stock performance and battery life, plus it is way more customizable. I love it!
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I just tried it again. Froze on reboot, wouldn't let me into recovery, same BS as all the 4.3 versions. And I wrote the book, well thread, on how to install it, so yeah I wiped etc.
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i'm enjoying better than stock performance on the stable 4.2.2 branch, and i built a custom kernel for CM10.1 for better performance. I tried the 'stock' life and its boring lol. The custom ROM features and better performance are what makes it worth it in my view. 4.3 will be even better as work is continually being done on it, and it hasn't been out that long. Also, I think we need to give appreciation to the devs for giving us options as far as what we can run on this phone compared to being stuck with only one choice.

CM is getting good. Recently the "display freezing" issue got fixed, also more fixes for cardock audio and wifi. It simply takes a while to get it all done properly (with that what's left is SIM I/O and HDR (works with Moto X camera application)).
@netizenmt: Booting to recovery is not affected by the ROM you have installed, so you screwed up the installation at some point.

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CM is getting good. Recently the "display freezing" issue got fixed, also more fixes for cardock audio and wifi. It simply takes a while to get it all done properly (with that what's left is SIM I/O and HDR (works with Moto X camera application)).
@netizenmt: Booting to recovery is not affected by the ROM you have installed, so you screwed up the installation at some point.
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Would you offer a build for a Bluetooth phone user that has the SD swap working?
One that might quiet this thread?

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I just tried it again. Froze on reboot, wouldn't let me into recovery, same BS as all the 4.3 versions. And I wrote the book, well thread, on how to install it, so yeah I wiped etc.
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There are a few tricks to getting 4.3 installed and running but it will never happen if u just quite and go back to stock before u get it up and running correctly. I had a terrible time getting 4.3 to boot, keyboard forcing close, stability etc but I figured all that out and wouldn't think of going back to stock. The amount and way if partions the internal drive alone will keep me from ever going back to stock.
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There are a few tricks to getting 4.3 installed and running but it will never happen if u just quite and go back to stock before u get it up and running correctly. I had a terrible time getting 4.3 to boot, keyboard forcing close, stability etc but I figured all that out and wouldn't think of going back to stock. The amount and way if partions the internal drive alone will keep me from ever going back to stock.
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You actually just made my whole point.
While it's cool you had time, patience, skill and effort to resolve your issues with 4.3, that's not the point of this thread. So do I. The point is, if you think you're going to slap one of these ROMs on and everything is going to work like stock, forget it. If that's what someone expects, they should stick to stock.
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[Q] Advantages of KitKat over Jellybean

I've read tons of issues with KitKat on the Note 3. People have been complaining about:
1) Battery drains
2) Constant restarts
3) Issues with WiFi calling
4) Trouble getting flash to work
5) Problems with non-Samsung Window Cases
6) Major issues getting non-OEM apps to write to the SD Card
7) Changes to the bootloader making it impossible to revert back to Jellybean if you wanted to
With all that known what are the ADVANATGES of updating? I read the font is different and you get full screen art on the lock screen for the music player. Why would somone update to KitKat when you lose so much and gain so little?

I agree kitkat is a sellout compared to jellybean.
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I've read tons of issues with KitKat on the Note 3. People have been complaining about:
1) Battery drains
2) Constant restarts
3) Issues with WiFi calling
4) Trouble getting flash to work
5) Problems with non-Samsung Window Cases
6) Major issues getting non-OEM apps to write to the SD Card
7) Changes to the bootloader making it impossible to revert back to Jellybean if you wanted to
With all that known what are the ADVANATGES of updating? I read the font is different and you get full screen art on the lock screen for the music player. Why would somone update to KitKat when you lose so much and gain so little?
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I've only had issues with #1.
#4, flash, I'm assuming you're talking that antiquated, discontinued web crap by adobe. Not an issue or concern for me.
2,3 I've not had issues with.
5? I don't have any like that, but supposedly there's a fix if you're rooted.
6, if you're rooted, there's a very simple fix.
7, yeah but don't care.
Advantages... Cause it's there. it's the latest and greatest... LOL, ok, so it's not a real advantage I guess.

I have had no issues with my Note 3 except for #6, which is a Google thing...
My note 3 came with KK out of the box, tho. Dunno if that makes a difference.

Question about #6. Is that like, if you have a 3rd party Camera app...it won't save the pics to the external SD? Like there is an option in the app...but it just won't save? Also, it is a KK on Note 3 problem?

OP is misleading. Only the Jizzer kitkat roms are sucky. CM, BeanStalk, GE and others are fine - no excess battery drain, full signal, no random reboots, no Samsung crapware all over the place. KitKat is a huge success aside from those Samsung TW abominations.

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OP is misleading. Only the Jizzer kitkat roms are sucky. CM, BeanStalk, GE and others are fine - no excess battery drain, full signal, no random reboots, no Samsung crapware all over the place. KitKat is a huge success aside from those Samsung TW abominations.
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Tell those people complaining on the T-Mobile Forums that took and installed the OTA KitKat upgrade that their issues are just in their heads. If you have to root your phone to gain back functionality that was on the phone before you updated then the update is horrible. They are calling it the KitKat virus. But I am sure they are just crazy. Take two non-rooted phones. One on Jelly Bean one on KitKat. Which one will let your third party apps write to the sd card and which one will not. Now tell me which version of Android is better.

There are no advantages. At times you could say perhaps it's more secure to avoid viruses. But that's about it. It's junk.

...As I was just about to go kk...upon reading numerous posts all throughout....there are no practical advantages Lol. Why why why release such a crap update? At least make it worth while. What a waste of such a great name kk on a useless release.
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CrashTestDroid said:
OP is misleading. Only the Jizzer kitkat roms are sucky. CM, BeanStalk, GE and others are fine - no excess battery drain, full signal, no random reboots, no Samsung crapware all over the place. KitKat is a huge success aside from those Samsung TW abominations.
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Um, he mentioned AOSP ROMs as being huge successes. KitKat is amazing when it comes to AOSP, and TW as always is ****. The issues aren't in their heads, they're real, but it's not hard to fix it.
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Tell those people complaining on the T-Mobile Forums that took and installed the OTA KitKat upgrade that their issues are just in their heads. If you have to root your phone to gain back functionality that was on the phone before you updated then the update is horrible. They are calling it the KitKat virus. But I am sure they are just crazy. Take two non-rooted phones. One on Jelly Bean one on KitKat. Which one will let your third party apps write to the sd card and which one will not. Now tell me which version of Android is better.
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CM/AOSP KitKat roms don't have the issues you're complaining about. OTA Samsung crapware is still Samsung crapware. Reading comprehension ftw.

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CM/AOSP KitKat roms don't have the issues you're complaining about. OTA Samsung crapware is still Samsung crapware. Reading comprehension ftw.
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I am specifically talking about unrooted unmodified Jelly bean on the Note seeing how you don't have to do anything to enable the ability to write to the sd card on a stock note 3 where you do on the a stock kitkat note 3. Allow me to quote myself:
Take two non-rooted phones. One on Jelly Bean one on KitKat. Which one will let your third party apps write to the sd card and which one will not. Now tell me which version of Android is better.
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If you have to root the phone and modifiy it to get back functionality lost that is a problem. Sounds like you need some reading comprehension yourself. :good:

KitKat was more of a prank for Note 3 owners than an upgrade.
Reduced functionality, zero benefit.

DarkMage619 said:
I am specifically talking about unrooted unmodified Jelly bean on the Note seeing how you don't have to do anything to enable the ability to write to the sd card on a stock note 3 where you do on the a stock kitkat note 3. Allow me to quote myself:
If you have to root the phone and modifiy it to get back functionality lost that is a problem. Sounds like you need some reading comprehension yourself. :good:
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Download Total Commander and it will allow you to write/rename to the SD Card.

How can us kitkat users go back to the previous version? I'd like to have vpn working again plus i'd like to not have tethering use up my limited tethering data.
I am rooted right now and adjusting the dun string settings.db doesn't fix it. Whenever i tether with another device even using another phone or googlebots it still goes up and data is counted as mobile hotspot usage.

15% faster
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DarkMage619 said:
I am specifically talking about unrooted unmodified Jelly bean on the Note seeing how you don't have to do anything to enable the ability to write to the sd card on a stock note 3 where you do on the a stock kitkat note 3. Allow me to quote myself:
If you have to root the phone and modifiy it to get back functionality lost that is a problem. Sounds like you need some reading comprehension yourself. :good:
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So if your not rooted and on stock....why are you here...just wondering not trying to be a jerk...but this site is for modification to your phone...my phone is a monster with no issue...rooted non stock note 3

yes its more faster and a lot more better

cwalker0906 said:
So if your not rooted and on stock....why are you here...just wondering not trying to be a jerk...but this site is for modification to your phone...my phone is a monster with no issue...rooted non stock note 3
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I'm not trying to be a jerk either but I think you're confusing forums: this is Q&A help/troubleshooting forum, title says nothing about mods, there are separate forums for Android development and mods, so he is in the right place and you're completely missing the point, which is: why does he have to root the phone just to get back the functionality he had before upgrade. I'm not against rooting and modding, I'm rooted myself, but the fact is Google messed KK big time for no reason. Some people, myself among them, choose Note 3 for its SD as one of selling points and frankly I could not care less about even 15 % speed increase (like Note 3 wasn't fast enough), if I couldn't use extra memory. Another problem with KK is that rooting without tripping Knox is much more difficult now and we are still not clear what tripping Knox means as far as warranty goes. Is Android becoming another Crapple and everybody will need to wait for jailbreak to actually use their phone to it's potential?

pete4k said:
I'm not trying to be a jerk either but I think you're confusing forums: this is Q&A help/troubleshooting forum, title says nothing about mods, there are separate forums for Android development and mods, so he is in the right place and you're completely missing the point, which is: why does he have to root the phone just to get back the functionality he had before upgrade. I'm not against rooting and modding, I'm rooted myself, but the fact is Google messed KK big time for no reason. Some people, myself among them, choose Note 3 for its SD as one of selling points and frankly I could not care less about even 15 % speed increase (like Note 3 wasn't fast enough), if I couldn't use extra memory. Another problem with KK is that rooting without tripping Knox is much more difficult now and we are still not clear what tripping Knox means as far as warranty goes. Is Android becoming another Crapple and everybody will need to wait for jailbreak to actually use their phone to it's potential?
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Thank you Pete my sentiments exactly! I was also curious what KK does that actually IMPROVES the user experience. Taking away SD Card access doesn't seem to accompllish that goal so I was wondering if I was missing something. I appreciate everyones imput.