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Forgive me if this is already a known quantity around here, but I only just found out this evening that orders placed through Sprint for new devices can no longer be billed to your account. Apparently we now have to pay by credit or debit card up front when we want a new device.
dead78 said:
Forgive me if this is already a known quantity around here, but I only just found out this evening that orders placed through Sprint for new devices can no longer be billed to your account. Apparently we now have to pay by credit or debit card up front when we want a new device.
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yup found out a couple of months ...........i believe there should b a couple of threads on it
lballer69 said:
yup found out a couple of months ...........i believe there should b a couple of threads on it
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they're saying it changed it on October 5. yet another way we're taking it in the pants as a result of Sprint getting the iPhone and another reason to never bother ordering a phone from Sprint.
yep blame that on the iphone
apple started this a few years ago, so no cash at all, even in person at the apple stores for iphones, as people were buying them stateside, and selling them overseas for huge markups, since they were not available at the time
gotta love Apple lol
Amd4life said:
yep blame that on the iphone
apple started this a few years ago, so no cash at all, even in person at the apple stores for iphones, as people were buying them stateside, and selling them overseas for huge markups, since they were not available at the time
gotta love Apple lol
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yep, you're 100% right.
man, I was on the fence before about upgrading my Epic...there's no way in hell I'll do it now. when you look at everything that's gone lately, Sprint's shown they're willing to screw over their entire customer base for the sake of luring in new customers with this gimmick Apple crap. now they've got their big sales figures and they can all pat each other on the backs for a job well done.
do the other carriers require up front payment for their devices?
Just so you guys know, sprint is actually the last of all the big 4 carriers to get rid of bill to account for new phones. Its a fight against fraud. Cutting costs is necessary to keep providing the unlimited data plans. Saving money by reducing fraudulent purchases is one of the best ways to do this. There is a reason behind every choice the company makes. It may not always sound like the best when you first hear it but the reasons why typically justify the changes. Sprint tries really hard to provide what other carriers no longer do but there at reasons that other carriers have cut things, and with sprints new high end world phone lineup we are running into the same things.
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lookout4theyeti said:
Just so you guys know, sprint is actually the last of all the big 4 carriers to get rid of bill to account for new phones. Its a fight against fraud. Cutting costs is necessary to keep providing the unlimited data plans. Saving money by reducing fraudulent purchases is one of the best ways to do this. There is a reason behind every choice the company makes. It may not always sound like the best when you first hear it but the reasons why typically justify the changes. Sprint tries really hard to provide what other carriers no longer do but there at reasons that other carriers have cut things, and with sprints new high end world phone lineup we are running into the same things.
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frankly, the "we need to do this to keep unlimited data" excuse has lost its appeal. all I'm seeing is a fledgling company pulling back on service in order to accommodate the iPhone and keep itself in business. as it stands now, I live in an area where my data service is horrendous. calls to Sprint are essentially pointless since I'm given an endless string of excuses as to why I can't download faster than .2 Mbps on 3G and why I can't stay connected to 4G for more than a couple of minutes. I've been with Sprint for over 10 years and I've seen all aspects of quality within the company deteriorate considerably in that time. The simple fact is that they're network couldn't accommodate the demand of all the Android devices on it; I can't even imagine what the surge of new iPhones is going to do to service.
meanwhile, we're told that every courtesy we received is being taken away in order to assure a high level of service. that would be fine except there is no longer a high level of service to maintain. I've actually had Sprint tell me that their changes aren't so bad because they're simply doing what all the other carriers do; therein lies the crux of why having 3.5 carriers dominate a nation of roughly 400 million people isn't good for anyone. a struggling company in that setting has no incentive to do anything but keep its doors open. they've lost the will to differentiate because they no longer have to; their sole concern is to avoid being subsumed by one of their competitors. most investors (myself included) doubt Sprint's ability to sustain itself beyond the next couple of years because they're a poorly managed company who've become notorious for making extremely poor decisions - this recent backpedaling from WiMax is one of the worst.
so yeah, great we get unlimited data. we'll see how well that unlimited data that Sprint's stripped away all incentives for holds up when an already super-saturated capacity is unable to withstand the demand from this gadget they've bet the farm on.
I am usually on the side of the consumer but, this time, I think if you don't have the money to pay for it, why are you upgrading? Wait a month and get it when you have the money. I don't see why it was ever an option to begin with.
The only reason I am still on Sprint is becaue they have the number one best plan for my situation. If I didn't want unlimited data, or the best cutomer service, or the coolest new phones, I would go with MetroPCS. They have the best plan for someone like that. Shop around. Get what is best for you. I'm not preaching. I just want every customer out there to be as happy as can be.
It is probably better this way. When you charge to credit card, they don't add the weird few dollars here and there taxes in the taxes and surcharges sections (this is in addition to the tax they charged on the phone purchase itself) I probably got another $5-$6 in random taxes I had to complain about to get back.
I agree that data speeds on Sprints unlimited plan sucks. I will contest to that. Sprint's network simply is being overwhelmed from all the traffic they get from all the smartphones out there. So Sprint came up with a plan. The plan is going to cost $10b over time I think it was. To come up with the money Sprint has to cut cost and create more revenue. To cut cost Sprint got rid of certain luxuries we were receiving as consumers. To create more revenue Sprint fought to get the Iphone on board (Sprint announce this was their biggest sales day ever). Simple economics. Remember Sprint is a far 3rd behind the top two cash cows we know as AT&T and Verizon. Sprint is not financially stable right now but, making these necessary moves will help us as consumer in the long run. I know you pay now, and, you want it now, but, all we can really do is wait till Sprint finish's with their $10B project in your area.
Seriously? You all look at this as "exploiting the customer"? What they got rid of was effectively an interest free credit card that people were abusing. No, doesn't make any business sense at all, certainly not.
True exploitation would be them deciding to charge interest on your balance.
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buggerritt said:
I am usually on the side of the consumer but, this time, I think if you don't have the money to pay for it, why are you upgrading? Wait a month and get it when you have the money. I don't see why it was ever an option to begin with.
The only reason I am still on Sprint is becaue they have the number one best plan for my situation. If I didn't want unlimited data, or the best cutomer service, or the coolest new phones, I would go with MetroPCS. They have the best plan for someone like that. Shop around. Get what is best for you. I'm not preaching. I just want every customer out there to be as happy as can be.
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Ive been doing bta for years without problems from sprint. The problem was me, with the subject the post is about. Im pretty impulsive at times. More that once ive had financial department calling me wanting money because im past due. I couldnt pay the price of the phone (usually full price because i was in mid contract) and my bill up to date in a month or less. I kept telling myself, after i would get my account completely paid up to date, that i wouldnt do this again and would only get another phone if i had the money in hand to pay for the phone. Sometimes financial emergencies happen that are unforseen and they can really put a person behind for awhile and its a struggle to get caught up. Thats one of my character defects, i admit it (for the first time). Its not sprint's fault for this, its mine for being impulsive and irresponsible when it comes to finances.
I dont know why i felt the need to say this, but it had something to do with the subject and i shared my experience (and foolishness) with you guys.
Shame on me, i know!
I'm right there with you man! I sold a Dell Venue Pro so I could get my Epic Touch and I still have an Atrix on At&t and am looking at over $500 if I leave At&t. All that so I could get a 1/2 inch bigger screen and a slightly faster phone. Oh well at least I got a good one, no Los or any other issues thus far.
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I just paid my Sprint bill the other day. With activation, the phone, and my normal bill, it was $578.06. No more bta? Who cares. If you don't have the money, you probably shouldn't buy the phone anyway.
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Verizon still allows billing to your account. This last carrier nonsense isn't true
heygrl said:
Verizon still allows billing to your account. This last carrier nonsense isn't true
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that's what I thought. quite frankly, this argument that deadbeats have ruined the bta is a bunch of b.s. because that would be a punitive major and not something supposedly introduced to insure a high level of future service. the reason why bta is a solid option is that it means not having to rely on Sprint to refund your money in the event you decide to return a recently purchased phone. what this new move does is allow Sprint access to the customer's money immediately, which is actually a better move from an accounting standpoint since funds collected can be immediately invested. however, my biggest beef with this change of policy is that like all the other changes we've endured in recent weeks, they're all being done to accommodate the iPhone. like many others, I'm not remotely convinced of Sprint's able to even stay in business long enough to see all these supposed service improvements take place, so right now (and for the immediate future) all that's happening is Sprint is pulling back on customer services to pander to the iPhone.
Like another poster said this is to accommodate fraud. I work for another big name phone company and this is a way to keep people from calling in and ordering multiple phones on an account and having them shipped and once you see that these phones were ordered and you did not order them you call sprint and they have to foot that bill. If there is a credit card used it is tied to the person who used it and fraud is dealt with easier through the CC companies because they have more info. The FCC are coming up with all these rules to help us as consumers. It kinda makes it harder but safer. Anyone who knows your information can order on your account and that is scary. We see people on this forum who call in and tell lies all the time. Fruad is no joke. If it makes it safer why not?
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Thanks for sharing this. I think you hit the nail on the head and I wish more people were willing to look at their own situation objectively and take some personal responsibility.
Sprint is a business, making business decisions. If they need to make changes to stay viable, then they should make them. If I decide at some point I don't like them, I can go somewhere else. It's the beauty of free enterprise and consumer choice.
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Ive been doing bta for years without problems from sprint. The problem was me, with the subject the post is about. Im pretty impulsive at times. More that once ive had financial department calling me wanting money because im past due. I couldnt pay the price of the phone (usually full price because i was in mid contract) and my bill up to date in a month or less. I kept telling myself, after i would get my account completely paid up to date, that i wouldnt do this again and would only get another phone if i had the money in hand to pay for the phone. Sometimes financial emergencies happen that are unforseen and they can really put a person behind for awhile and its a struggle to get caught up. Thats one of my character defects, i admit it (for the first time). Its not sprint's fault for this, its mine for being impulsive and irresponsible when it comes to finances.
I dont know why i felt the need to say this, but it had something to do with the subject and i shared my experience (and foolishness) with you guys.
Shame on me, i know!
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Who orders from Sprint anyway? There's always some place cheaper to get the phone of you're eligible for an upgrade. Ordering from places like Amazon or Wirefly at the very least saves you tax.
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My local Best Buy is great about returns and will price match any other vendor that has a unit in stock. I've never ordered from Sprint.
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And another policy change... only the Primary line is eligible for discounts after Feb 1.
http://www.sprintfeed.com/2011/12/s...ing-february-2nd-2012-it-just-might-cost-you/
This comes after removing the discounts on lines 3-5, doubling the activation fees, revamping the Premier program, and then removing the Premier program. Basically my 20% company discount is only good for 1 line, big whoop.
So, let's see... they're "aligning" to what AT&T and Verizon do, but they still have the slow network and 3G speeds. 4G is at least over a year away if I stay with Sprint, Verizon and T-mobile have 4G locally and AT&T and coming soon. Why would I pay the same for slower speeds? Yeah, time to move on.
For those that don't want to read the article linked... sfhub clearly summarizes the article in a simple way...
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STARTING FEB 2nd, 2012 (ie not today, won't show up on today's bill)
Line 1/2 $129.99 => Line 1 $110.00 / Line 2 $19.99
Your NVP discount 10%, 15%, 27%, 28%, etc. will then only apply only to Line 1, no longer Line2
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-Daryel
i really hope they lose big on the iphone.... sounds like another apple induced policy.... lame. unfortunately they will be pushing the cost of a couple VZ lines for me.... i barely use data. Really not seeing the point of staying much longer... sad...
it may be time to reactivate the old bb curve and moment... and sell the Epic 1 and 2....
See ya
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Cool... Now Sprint has until January 31, 2012 to fix their network issues before a mass exodus occurs ETF free. Now you know what the next change will be, goodbye unlimited.
This would only applying to accounts with multiple individual lines not family plans, correct? I thought they already did away with discounts on the extra lines of family plans.
You have been Epicly Touched by Jesse Buck
I don't know if this will allow for eft-free cancellation.
I love my E4GT, but my wife is not excited about the $220 after discounts that we pay every month. I get 4G in the office, but the rest of the family doesn't. We have 4 accounts in our family plan, and every month the rates go up somehow. My son uses android apps, but doesn't make calls, so i was thinking about the $30 tmo prepaid option. I read something about 2 lines with everything "unlimited" on tmo for $30 each. My agency has a 20% discount which I wonder if it is only for one line or all... But those were prepaid and chances are for discount you need a contract. Sigh. I think no matter what, they have a tight grip on our privates.
I am tired of no 4G coverage, doubled activation fee, removal of premier, required $10 fee for any smartphone, removal of discounts on 3+ lines, and now removal of discount on 2+ lines, increase of ETF and reduction of return/satisfaction window, added fees... Did I miss something??
Is sprint really the best bang for your buck?? I get 4G coverage for tmo and Verizon around my area. Verizon is too expensive, and can't hear anything but bad things about at&t. Tmo is the one nobody talks about.
Anybody got any insight about tmo as a possible migration path if this causes an ETF free contract breach!?
Have buy back from best buy on all my phones. But that would not help me if I were to buy used phones off Craigslist or ebay or some such...
Anyway, I don't want to bug anybody, to each their own. I just hate how powerless we are about all the changes sprint has made, and the cost it hS in our bill at the end of the month.
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Read the link...
This actually brings it in line with the rest of their discount policy... They already say they won't discount any fee or service that is less than $20.
Granted it's crummy, but I frankly assumed that the $19.99 was a segregated fee anyway (I don't have multiple lines).
Jesse Buck said:
This would only applying to accounts with multiple individual lines not family plans, correct? I thought they already did away with discounts on the extra lines of family plans.
You have been Epicly Touched by Jesse Buck
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I thought so, too. I'm still receiving discounts on my 2nd, 3rd and 4th lines though. If speeds don't improve by Jan 31st, sadly I have to say I will probably leave, too. We all know that all of these policy changes just mean more are around the corner.
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Cool... Now Sprint has until January 31, 2012 to fix their network issues before a mass exodus occurs ETF free. Now you know what the next change will be, goodbye unlimited.
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Discounts aren't typically a part of your contract though, so you'll still have to pay an ETF to leave.
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Discounts aren't typically a part of your contract though, so you'll still have to pay an ETF to leave.
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While that could be true, the discount plays a part on why some continue their service, and deal with the reduction of quality service that's been occurring. Now, this will change the price by eliminating the discounts which is why some are still with them. This is an increase that wasn't agreed to, the same as when they jacked up the taxes, and should result as early dismissal. While i'm holding on, if the price gets raised more to match their competitors, without providing the same quality of service, then there's no real incentive to stay.
This effects us on Contract too I used to like sprint
I have a 24% discount
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But the family plan is so because it was $129. 99 for two lines. That is the plan. Then, you can add extra lines. If you only had a line, then added a second one, it would be shared, but that's not how the plan was inscribed in the family contract. Otherwise, they're saying you could have a one-line family shared plan, for $110 + and $10 for smartphone, way more than their unlimited single plan. The reason why it was a good deal is because it was a bundled 2x$129. 99. The $20 extra lines was just icing on the cake. Prettyuch they are trying to become everything everyone Hayes, to stay "competitive". Are we screwed or are we screwed?
How long are we going to allow them to f°°know us over?
Where does it end? When they declare no more unlimited data? Oh wait they did that with hotshot and mobile devices... And we are still here. Yeah I'm loyal to Sprint, but before we realize it, we are gonna end up paying as much as Verizon for a subpar service (I know, Verizon is way more expensive...)
I have an E4GT, 2 EVO3D, 1 Evo4gshift. Maybe I can get something for them.
My wife is pregnant, and with the costs of medical care in the US, every penny counts.
But sorry for my comments, feels like I'm just looking for any chance to rant.
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Jesus farking christ is this another I hate sprint and I'm am leaving thread? Instead of you guys hitting the keyboard with your penis beaters just leave......
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I had AT&T for about 3 years and was horrified with their services.. The only reason I moved to Sprint was because of a higher corp discount and better reviews from people I knew with Sprint.. Also, AT&T somehow screwed up my contract and my corp discount with them, which was the reason I was able to get out ETF free after 1 year into my contract.
This is definitively a sneaky move on Sprint's part and I won't take it laying down. I usually fight these type of changes and win. I'm not trying to get anything free, I just want to serve my sentence (contract term), without any damn changes on what we agreed... is that so damn hard to understand?
And to those saying this is not a contract change, it is to those of us with the corp discounts. When you receive your corp discount, you have to RE-sign a new 2 yr contract agreeing to receive this discount for the length of your contract.
Here is an example of something similar not too long ago with Sprint:
http://explainthefee.com/2010/09/10/cancel-your-sprint-contract-without-paying-an-etf/
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But the family plan is so because it was $129. 99 for two lines. That is the plan. Then, you can add extra lines. If you only had a line, then added a second one, it would be shared, but that's not how the plan was inscribed in the family contract. Otherwise, they're saying you could have a one-line family shared plan, for $110 + and $10 for smartphone, way more than their unlimited single plan. The reason why it was a good deal is because it was a bundled 2x$129. 99. The $20 extra lines was just icing on the cake. Prettyuch they are trying to become everything everyone Hayes, to stay "competitive". Are we screwed or are we screwed?
How long are we going to allow them to f°°know us over?
Where does it end? When they declare no more unlimited data? Oh wait they did that with hotshot and mobile devices... And we are still here. Yeah I'm loyal to Sprint, but before we realize it, we are gonna end up paying as much as Verizon for a subpar service (I know, Verizon is way more expensive...)
I have an E4GT, 2 EVO3D, 1 Evo4gshift. Maybe I can get something for them.
My wife is pregnant, and with the costs of medical care in the US, every penny counts.
But sorry for my comments, feels like I'm just looking for any chance to rant.
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id10terror said:
I had AT&T for about 3 years and was horrified with their services.. The only reason I moved to Sprint was because of a higher corp discount and better reviews from people I knew with Sprint.. Also, AT&T somehow screwed up my contract and my corp discount with them, which was the reason I was able to get out ETF free after 1 year into my contract.
This is definitively a sneaky move on Sprint's part and I won't take it laying down. I usually fight these type of changes and win. I'm not trying to get anything free, I just want to serve my sentence (contract term), without any damn changes on what we agreed... is that so damn hard to understand?
And to those saying this is not a contract change, it is to those of us with the corp discounts. When you receive your corp discount, you have to RE-sign a new 2 yr contract agreeing to receive this discount for the length of your contract.
Here is an example of something similar not too long ago with Sprint:
http://explainthefee.com/2010/09/10/cancel-your-sprint-contract-without-paying-an-etf/
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I didn't have to re-sign anything. All I did was call them and it was added to my account.
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I didn't have to re-sign anything. All I did was call them and it was added to my account.
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I had to re-sign an agreement online when I applied the discount.
Not saying the store reps know half the sh!t that comes out of their mouths but I ad an entire store of them here tell me all of these changes (all for the worse) are because of the iPhone. They're all pissed about it and loathe the day Sprint 'signed a contract with the devil' as they put it.
So if I get a 25% discount because of my employer - I won't get it anymore after 2-1-2012? Because that's a HUGE breach of contract if that's true. I kept mine so I know what it says - already had to use it once because I was told I only had one activation fee then got charged all three on my bill.
This is a material adverse, I don't care how it's worded. I signed a CONTRACT for a certain amount and certain discounts. If that changes by 0.1 cent - it's a breach.
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I had AT&T for about 3 years and was horrified with their services.. The only reason I moved to Sprint was because of a higher corp discount and better reviews from people I knew with Sprint.. Also, AT&T somehow screwed up my contract and my corp discount with them, which was the reason I was able to get out ETF free after 1 year into my contract.
This is definitively a sneaky move on Sprint's part and I won't take it laying down. I usually fight these type of changes and win. I'm not trying to get anything free, I just want to serve my sentence (contract term), without any damn changes on what we agreed... is that so damn hard to understand?
And to those saying this is not a contract change, it is to those of us with the corp discounts. When you receive your corp discount, you have to RE-sign a new 2 yr contract agreeing to receive this discount for the length of your contract.
Here is an example of something similar not too long ago with Sprint:
http://explainthefee.com/2010/09/10/cancel-your-sprint-contract-without-paying-an-etf/
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ATTs customer service is horrid, but otherwise they're probably my favorite network in the US. I'd never switch because of the insane price, capped data, boot for tethering, throttling grandfathered contracts, etc.
Sprint needs to make their network worth having before they charge more.
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Not saying the store reps know half the sh!t that comes out of their mouths but I ad an entire store of them here tell me all of these changes (all for the worse) are because of the iPhone. They're all pissed about it and loathe the day Sprint 'signed a contract with the devil' as they put it.
So if I get a 25% discount because of my employer - I won't get it anymore after 2-1-2012? Because that's a HUGE breach of contract if that's true. I kept mine so I know what it says - already had to use it once because I was told I only had one activation fee then got charged all three on my bill.
This is a material adverse, I don't care how it's worded. I signed a CONTRACT for a certain amount and certain discounts. If that changes by 0.1 cent - it's a breach.
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It sounds like you personally will still get the discount, but no one else that is on your plan would.
I know the Sprint Surcharges are just fees Sprint wants to charge their customers because they are too greedy to pay it on their own as a benefit to their customers. But I am curious as to what the Federal-Univ Serv Assess Non-LD is because I have not been able to find any exact information on it. I tried chatting with a Rep but she could not give me any real answer on what it is other than a blanket statement saying its based on taxes Sprint has to pay. Im paying $7.21 for something I have no idea about.
Under the Government Fees & Taxes, I also see a California State-Univ Lifeline Serv Charge for $1.21. I need answers
I also need answers too. Every month the "Federal Taxes" are high and high.
I also have my employee discount and when change the $130.00 for two line to $110.00 first line and $19.99 the second my bill go high again.
When I get my phone the bill was $141.90 now $151.50. Yes $10!!!
Im starting to hate Sprint, but they are the only with unlimited data.
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Does no one really care about this?
call your congressman...
it is a federally asses fee. although sprint is the one to choose to pass this along to you, it is because it is assesed to them. would you feel better if they just said that your plan is actually 139.99 instead and still put it toward paying this fee?
30 seconds with google came up with this government page that explains what these fees are:
http://transition.fcc.gov/cgb/phonebills/samplePhonebill.html
As far as whether sprint should pay it for you, if they did that, who's money would they use to pay it? They'd have to get it from somewhere, so it would come from money they charge you for you service. So, instead of burying the costs they incur, they list it.
They could pull it out of the pure profit $10/mo data fee they charge, among all the other fees they charge to double the advertised price. Straight Talk and Cricket seem to do just fine under $70/mo without all the bogus fees. Perhaps they should ask these companies how they can afford to do it at half the price.
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They could pull it out of the pure profit $10/mo data fee they charge, among all the other fees they charge to double the advertised price.
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Trolololwut? Sprint has been operating at a net LOSS of hundreds of millions of dollars for 5 years now. I don't know where you get the idea that Sprint is hoarding a bunch of "profits." Even AT&T and Verizon, with all their luxurious capital (and often $20-30/month higher average bills, might I add) are still burning through it to build their own completely spectrum-segregated LTE networks on top of maintaining and improving their 3G networks. That cost billions upon billions every year, and Sprint is a very distant 3rd. Then you have to factor in the money that they have to give back to Lightsquared for backing out of their deal to buy LTE spectrum using satellite coverage (basically the spectrum satellites were interfering with some GPS devices and satellites, so the FCC denied them approval). Oh, and don't forget the $4 Billion that Sprint had to pay Apple to get the iPhone for the next 3 years.
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Straight Talk and Cricket seem to do just fine under $70/mo without all the bogus fees. Perhaps they should ask these companies how they can afford to do it at half the price.
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Oh, I guess you didn't know that Cricket and Straight Talk don't actually own their network infrastructure. They rent out the towers from those with the resources to build them, as in AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, and SPRINT. That's why the cheapo carriers can afford to offer those low prices, they just thrown the major carriers some money. Of course, the trade-off is that service sucks outside of the major cities, so good luck actually making calls in between. Sprint, however, doesn't have the luxury of bumming off of Verizon's towers, you know, because they're direct competitors on a national scale.
Honestly, how the hell do you think this phone company can afford to charge me $85/month for unlimited EVERYTHING and still build/maintain a fast and consistent 3G and 4G network? If you want to pick a fight, pick it with AT&T and Verizon, but since you're on the one US carrier with a couple BILLIONS of dollars of debt, you'd best sit down and appreciate your relatively cheap bill.
I pick a fight with Sprint because they offer unlimited everything, on a 1x connection that's slower than dialup, and then charge an additional $10/mo for that luxury because I have an Android phone. It takes less time to call someone than for the email to send after I hit send. They can afford to offer unlimited everything for $85/mo because they charge $130/mo for it, and are not capable of providing what they sell.
At least when I had Verizon, they warned me that 3g may not work in my area. But it did, and still does, as well as their recently rolled out LTE. Sprint? Nothing planned in the next 6 months. Perhaps Sprint should consider leasing tower space if they want to remain relevant over the next 10 years. Right now, they can't compete on coverage nor connectivity.
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Dante of the Inferno said:
Trolololwut? Sprint has been operating at a net LOSS of hundreds of millions of dollars for 5 years now. I don't know where you get the idea that Sprint is hoarding a bunch of "profits." Even AT&T and Verizon, with all their luxurious capital (and often $20-30/month higher average bills, might I add) are still burning through it to build their own completely spectrum-segregated LTE networks on top of maintaining and improving their 3G networks.
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Im sorry but that's bull. If Sprint was doing so badly, they wouldnt be here for this long and they wouldnt be adding LTE or spending money on the Iphone or anything like that. You know they are profiting or else why would they continue to run their business?
Also, At&T and Verizon may be spending billions on the LTE network but they are also making billions on top of knowing LTE will bring in more customers.
Dante of the Inferno said:
Oh, and don't forget the $4 Billion that Sprint had to pay Apple to get the iPhone for the next 3 years.
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That Sprint chose to pay. They saw a good marketing move when they saw it and sure it cost them a bit more than they wanted (or did it?) but think about how fast they will make that money back with all the transfers to Sprint's unlimited plan?
Dante of the Inferno said:
Honestly, how the hell do you think this phone company can afford to charge me $85/month for unlimited EVERYTHING and still build/maintain a fast and consistent 3G and 4G network?
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Because: 1. Its 2012 and those technologies arent new, and 2. I pay $40 a month for "unlimited" gigabytes of unlimited information, media, news, etc on what is the Internet. No need to pay to connect extra devices, no need to pay extra for certain websites, no need to pay for more than one user.
Whose Money
poit said:
...As far as whether sprint should pay it for you, if they did that, who's money would they use to pay it?
Whose money? Start with Sprint's new CEO Marcelo Claure: "Sprint will pay Claure $1.5 million a year in salary, on top of a $500,000 signing bonus, and provide potential performance-based bonuses that could be twice his salary or larger, according to a company filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. He also will receive potential stock and options awards worth $24 million when granted to him, the filing said."
From the Kansas City Star article "Sprint names Brightstar founder CEO, replacing Dan Hesse". I'd provide a link, but as a new member here I'm not allowed. Google the article title to find the full article if interested.
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Verizon will be cutting of all their customers from having Unlimited Data Plans, even if you were grandfathered in.
Verizon has gotten greedy!
Shame on you Shammo! (Fran Shammo Verizon's CFO)
We need to take action! We've done it before we can do it again.
Here is the score:
Won
Verizon Imposes $2 Credit Card processing fee. 50,000 people signed petition on change.org Verizon nixed that plan.
Lost
Verizon Imposes $30 "upgrade fee" for upgrading to a new phone
Verizon has stuck with that plan.
Score Thus far 1:1
Next line up,
Verizon will cut off all existing unlimited data customers from their Unlimited Data plans.
Lets make this a win! Sign the petition and share with everyone you know! Repost this everywhere! Let's get the word out!
Read the Article here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...r-existing-subscribers/?tag=postrtcol;mostPop
Sign Petition here! http://www.change.org/petitions/sto...unlimited-data-plans-for-existing-subscribers
Signed!
I'll be signing this, everyone should sign.
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Signed.
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What is actually wrong with them doing this? You sign a contract for two years for unlimited data yea. Then after the two years are up they are not contractually obliged to let you keep it. They have so far as a gesture of good will. Obviously they are being greedy but they aren't doing anything wrong, unless they stop you having unlimited mid contract. If that's the case you would be able to cancel as they have not lived up to there end.
Signed.
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I'm actually kinda excited to try sprint. I don't use much data I'm on wifi a lot but its crazy to pay $30 a month for internet on a little phone when I pay less for cable internet.
If it limited it better be cheaper if not I'll get sprint or maybe att
Since this breach of contract I should be able to cancel my verizon subscriptions without any penalties. Right????
wedge40 said:
Since this breach of contract I should be able to cancel my verizon subscriptions without any penalties. Right????
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Since what breach of contract? A CFO saying stuff in an article about the future of VZW data plans is perfectly legally.
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Signing the petition with your wallets at another carrier will do more harm than letting vzw know you don't like their business model. But the other carriers business models are the same. The big dent is made by dropping data on your service and letting sales reps and tech support know you won't get data back until the data portion of the business model changes.
...of the people, by the people, for the people...
wedge40 said:
Since this breach of contract I should be able to cancel my verizon subscriptions without any penalties. Right????
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It isn't a breach of contract, because right now it is just talk. The CFO is hardly a lawyer, so who knows what this shapes up as.
Then there is this little thing that data is a feature, not a contract plan. Its in writing that features are subject to change. You can change data plans any time and not affect your contract, but you cannot change voice plans because you are contractually obligated.
So it is a grey area, but I would say one of two things happens.
1. They wait until your contract is expired. You won't be able to activate any new phone without changing your data plan. This is the most likely course of action.
2. They let you opt-out without paying an ETF. I am not even sure they are required to do this.
Haha at signing the petition. Unlimited data is going away on all carriers. Verizon sees how the other carriers are raking in the profits from tiered data plans.
I wouldn't be that excited......sprint data speeds are HORRID! I'm lucky to break the 500k mark ANYWHERE in California. I've read in many places that the network is just as bad or worse in the rest of the country.
Well it had to come to an end at some point and time. Its sad our mobile internet cost as much or sometimes more than home internet. Tier plans are the wave of what carriers want you go over you pay more. Cash cow. Starbucks makes a killing off coffee sales but no one is signing a petition. I hate how they are acting but it is a free market system. If they chose to end something due to not making enough. As someone else said let your wallet do the talking. I went from att to T-Mobile and have not looked back. Cheaper plans by about 30 dollars a month adds up. That's revenue that the other guy is not getting anymore.
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royale192 said:
Well it had to come to an end at some point and time. Its sad our mobile internet cost as much or sometimes more than home internet. Tier plans are the wave of what carriers want you go over you pay more. Cash cow. Starbucks makes a killing off coffee sales but no one is signing a petition. I hate how they are acting but it is a free market system. If they chose to end something due to not making enough. As someone else said let your wallet do the talking. I went from att to T-Mobile and have not looked back. Cheaper plans by about 30 dollars a month adds up. That's revenue that the other guy is not getting anymore.
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Starbucks coffee isn't required to use your smartphone Also if you don't like Starbuck's coffee, there is always Folgers.
Verizon users are rightfully upset because they are being told they will pay the same, and get less with no choice of an alternative.
If Starbucks was the only drinkable coffee in town, and they told you they are going to charge venti prices for a tablespoon of coffee while being forced to pay for the tablespoon monthly...I would say that there would be a petition, along with some rioting
This petition is futile, but I understand why it is happening.
Carriers got you hooked on the good stuff for a good price. Now you get samples for full price. Either quit your addiction,find another bigtime supplier or the middle of the road solution, find a local supplier that meets your needs for the right price.
I am having to deal with this myself. The first step to quitting an addiction is admitting you have one. Lol. Petitioning your dealer that prices are too high just lets them know they got you hooked.
...of the people, by the people, for the people...
This won't work. Unlimited data may come back in the future when radios need less and less bandwidth to perform.
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When my contract is up i'm switching to T-Mobile only because their spokesperson is hotter than Verizon's can you hear me now guy.
miketoasty said:
When my contract is up i'm switching to T-Mobile only because their spokesperson is hotter than Verizon's can you hear me now guy.
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he got fired. he's not their spokesperson
http://www.mobiledia.com/news/86973.html
None of the wireless providers are getting rich. VZ's earnings grow at about 4% which is slightly above inflation. Some carriers are losing there a$$ by subsidizing excessively priced smartphones. Over time a few mergers will leave about 3 or so majors.
I am with Sprint under my dads account. It is a family plan with my sister, my dad and I. Heres my question, I just want to know if I can order safely from Wirefly without any fuse, in other words, they will send me my phone without attempting to change our plan, rise our bill or anything like that. I just want to upgrade my phone to the Galaxy Nexus with the same plan intact, nothing change. The reason I am asking this is because I once tried to order a phone from Amazon (at the same price of a normal upgrade), and they wanted me to get a brand new number and plan.
Thanks for your help.
P.S. I cant believe they are selling this phone for 50 bucks. I am awed ._.
Anyone?
it is only that price with a contract. they will make you sign up for 2yr sprint contract before selling you the phone.
yup confirmed
$49.99
with a new Sprint account
look right under the price tag in small writing
Darunion said:
it is only that price with a contract. they will make you sign up for 2yr sprint contract before selling you the phone.
yup confirmed
$49.99
with a new Sprint account
look right under the price tag in small writing
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Wow, I dont know how I missed that. lol
Thank you.
DO NOT buy from wirefly. There are too many problems with that company to list them all here.
latindor17 said:
I am with Sprint under my dads account. It is a family plan with my sister, my dad and I. Heres my question, I just want to know if I can order safely from Wirefly without any fuse, in other words, they will send me my phone without attempting to change our plan, rise our bill or anything like that. I just want to upgrade my phone to the Galaxy Nexus with the same plan intact, nothing change. The reason I am asking this is because I once tried to order a phone from Amazon (at the same price of a normal upgrade), and they wanted me to get a brand new number and plan.
Thanks for your help.
P.S. I cant believe they are selling this phone for 50 bucks. I am awed ._.
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Hello latindor17: Wirefly can certainly upgrade your phone without changing your plan or the amount you pay every month (provided you’re not on an old grandfathered rate plan the carrier no longer offers, in which case you may be asked to choose a current rate plan – but if that were the case, Wirefly would always contact you for approval before proceeding with your order). Darunion is correct that you will need you renew your contract for 2 years in order to be eligible for the price on the website, but you do not need to get a new number, you may keep your existing number without a problem. There are no other hidden fees or charges, as long as you maintain your account in good standing (and don’t downgrade your plan) within 6 months of your activation date. For more information on this, please see http://www.wirefly.com/about/low-phone-prices/?referringdomain=wirefly&oflag=specialoffer.
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DO NOT buy from wirefly. There are too many problems with that company to list them all here.
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What? I used Wirefly to get a Galaxy SIII as an upgrade on my T-Mobile account with absolutely no issues. They simply checked to see if I was eligible for an upgrade and once they verified that I was I purchased a Galaxy SIII as an upgrade for $200. They did not screw with my plan at all.
It was much cheaper than going through T-Mobile directly ($379 for the phone at the time) and they shipped the phone extremely fast. I'd use them again in a heartbeat.
** I should mention that I have since sold the Galaxy SIII and reverted back to the GNex because it just wasn't the same. But that's neither here nor there. :highfive:
Wirefly_Kim said:
Hello latindor17: Wirefly can certainly upgrade your phone without changing your plan or the amount you pay every month (provided you’re not on an old grandfathered rate plan the carrier no longer offers, in which case you may be asked to choose a current rate plan – but if that were the case, Wirefly would always contact you for approval before proceeding with your order). Darunion is correct that you will need you renew your contract for 2 years in order to be eligible for the price on the website, but you do not need to get a new number, you may keep your existing number without a problem. There are no other hidden fees or charges, as long as you maintain your account in good standing (and don’t downgrade your plan) within 6 months of your activation date. For more information on this, please see http://www.wirefly.com/about/low-phone-prices/?referringdomain=wirefly&oflag=specialoffer.
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What Ms. Kim said here is exactly why you SHOULDN'T go with wirefly or any other similar service. They make you sign an additional contract, apparently in this case for 6 months, that has NOTHING to do with Sprint. Well, technically it does since it stipulates you must stay with Sprint for 6 months, but this contract isn't with Sprint.
So, if you move, find a better deal, find a reason to terminate without an ETF, etc., you're still on the hook with this company for 6 months. If you like buying through a 3rd party, I think Best Buy and Radioshak both still don't require this anti-consumer tactic.
Wow. I didn't realize that when I did it. Luckily if you plan on sticking with your current contract for more than 6 months this won't effect you (like most people). But it would be quite annoying if you did need to switch carriers quicker than expected.
Good to know.
Morphling27 said:
What Ms. Kim said here is exactly why you SHOULDN'T go with wirefly or any other similar service. They make you sign an additional contract, apparently in this case for 6 months, that has NOTHING to do with Sprint. Well, technically it does since it stipulates you must stay with Sprint for 6 months, but this contract isn't with Sprint.
So, if you move, find a better deal, find a reason to terminate without an ETF, etc., you're still on the hook with this company for 6 months. If you like buying through a 3rd party, I think Best Buy and Radioshak both still don't require this anti-consumer tactic.
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what reason could you find to terminate without an ETF though? as far as i know death is the only exception..and sometimes that doesnt even work
the stipulation (as i understand it) is that you just have to hold your end of the bargain for 6 months (something you already agreed to with your carrier by signing a 2 year anyway)...the reason for the 6 months is because thats the contract they have with the carriers..they recruit or keep customers for carriers and pass on the commission to us (which is why they can sell the phones cheaper)
its not like they are going to kill you if you break the wirefly contract..you just end up paying retail for the phone...as long as you are certain about the phone and plan that you are purchasing i dont see a problem...if you have buyers remorse or you don't do your homework and want to cut the cord..then yeah...you're gonna pay for it..thats kinda what happens when you break any contract (cell phone or otherwise)
i have been researching this company as well...reading customer comments and their fine print..im thinking about upgrading to the Note 2 through them...$300 as opposed to $420 with tmobile ($370 AFTER mail in rebate)
if kim from wirefly is still reading this...the phone is listed as $300 (for upgrades)...do you know what the end cost is gonna be? is it $300? or is there gonna be upgrade fees and tax and my first born?
jdiddy_ub said:
if kim from wirefly is still reading this...the phone is listed as $300 (for upgrades)...do you know what the end cost is gonna be? is it $300? or is there gonna be upgrade fees and tax and my first born?
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I'm pretty sure no additional tax is charged on top of the listed price. I think T-Mobile charged me an upgrade fee but instantly credited it back to me on my next bill.
Morphling27 said:
What Ms. Kim said here is exactly why you SHOULDN'T go with wirefly or any other similar service. They make you sign an additional contract, apparently in this case for 6 months, that has NOTHING to do with Sprint. Well, technically it does since it stipulates you must stay with Sprint for 6 months, but this contract isn't with Sprint.
So, if you move, find a better deal, find a reason to terminate without an ETF, etc., you're still on the hook with this company for 6 months. If you like buying through a 3rd party, I think Best Buy and Radioshak both still don't require this anti-consumer tactic.
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Hello Morphling,
Our 181 day rule is based on a contractual agreement that we have with the carriers. We don't get compensated for a sale from the carrier until after this time frame has been met. All 3rd party dealers have a stipulation period that customers must abide by even though the terms and conditions can vary from company to company, this is an industry standard. Let me know if I can answer any questions for you.
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jdiddy_ub said:
what reason could you find to terminate without an ETF though? as far as i know death is the only exception..and sometimes that doesnt even work
the stipulation (as i understand it) is that you just have to hold your end of the bargain for 6 months (something you already agreed to with your carrier by signing a 2 year anyway)...the reason for the 6 months is because thats the contract they have with the carriers..they recruit or keep customers for carriers and pass on the commission to us (which is why they can sell the phones cheaper)
its not like they are going to kill you if you break the wirefly contract..you just end up paying retail for the phone...as long as you are certain about the phone and plan that you are purchasing i dont see a problem...if you have buyers remorse or you don't do your homework and want to cut the cord..then yeah...you're gonna pay for it..thats kinda what happens when you break any contract (cell phone or otherwise)
i have been researching this company as well...reading customer comments and their fine print..im thinking about upgrading to the Note 2 through them...$300 as opposed to $420 with tmobile ($370 AFTER mail in rebate)
if kim from wirefly is still reading this...the phone is listed as $300 (for upgrades)...do you know what the end cost is gonna be? is it $300? or is there gonna be upgrade fees and tax and my first born?
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Hello jdiddy_ub,
The carrier will charge you an upgrade fee but this is only paid once on the first billing cycle following the upgrade. The taxes for the service is assessed by the carrier and varies depending on where you live. If you are keeping the same rate plan then your taxes should not be any different then what you are currently paying now. Let me know if I can answer any further questions.
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Hello Morphling,
Our 181 day rule is based on a contractual agreement that we have with the carriers. We don't get compensated for a sale from the carrier until after this time frame has been met. All 3rd party dealers have a stipulation period that customers must abide by even though the terms and conditions can vary from company to company, this is an industry standard. Let me know if I can answer any questions for you.
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Hello jdiddy_ub,
The carrier will charge you an upgrade fee but this is only paid once on the first billing cycle following the upgrade. The taxes for the service is assessed by the carrier and varies depending on where you live. If you are keeping the same rate plan then your taxes should not be any different then what you are currently paying now. Let me know if I can answer any further questions.
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I'm not asking about the tax for service.. i am asking about tax from the cost of the phone
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Buy it from costco wireless. $39.99 upgrade. No extra etf and they refund the $36 upgrafe fee. 90 day exchange. Dont even think you have to be a member.