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[Admin/ MODS]More credibility for User with Quality posts

Why are you judging members by their post count?
For lack of a better alternative. I challenge anyone to come up with a better alternative, and share it with us. Over the years we have seen the impact the cluttering up of developmental fora had on the amount of energy needed to keep threads in shape or visible. This wasn't productive at all. We get that people might have experience from other fora and think this is a little over the top for them, but there are rarely any developers amongst the people that want to create new threads. There are a few people with a genuine need to post a thread in the developmental fora (developers), these people can contact a moderator to help them get sorted.
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I am an experienced Unix and Android user who has been on XDA for more than year. Then why less than 10 posts? I never needed to post, if i had questions i would search and get the answers. the problem began when i had to post in dev sections for questions or answers relating a particular roms.
i do understand why the limit exist and off-course u cant look into someone's eye and determine if he really is a spammer or an experienced dev.
So i came up with an alternative. the number 10 is fine . but it should be 10 posts + thanks + recomendations. Meaning... if i am a new registered user but an experienced dev. to get my 10 beers i would have to post usefull answers which would count as posts, but if someone clicks thanks it should could towards my 10 beers since it was a useful post. There should also be a "recommend me" button for all below 10 post users. where if other users recommend me for the 10+ group it counts to my 10 beers. So i could be allowed to post in dev section if i havw only 2 posts where i have been thanked by 5 users and recomended by 3 users. (5 +2+3) = 10 beers.... Let me know what you guys think
Promotions
This same logic can be used for promoting from Jr. Member to Member to Sr Member and so on.
you know i am a senior Member if i have only 20 posts but 80 people have THANKED them? just that unlike above recommendations wont exist here.
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I agree that it is easy to get the 10 posts. what my second part of the thread is that. we should consider giving credibility to folks who post better quality of posts which are actually quite helpful. please bear in mind that i am not trying to say that we should combine posts and thanks... what i am saying is a person who posted 80 posted and got 40 thanks for the same deserves more credibility than the user who posts 100 posts with no thanks at all. and that since the prior user has better quality of posts we should consider promoting him to Sr Member. (giving credibility for the quality of him posts.)
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kkoolpatz said:
I am an experienced Unix and Android user who has been on XDA for more than year. Then why less than 10 posts? I never needed to post, if i had questions i would search and get the answers. the problem began when i had to post in dev sections for questions or answers relating a particular roms.
i do understand why the limit exist and off-course u cant look into someone's eye and determine if he really is a spammer or an experienced dev.
So i came up with an alternative. the number 10 is fine . but it should be 10 posts + thanks + recomendations. Meaning... if i am a new registered user but an experienced dev. to get my 10 beers i would have to post usefull answers which would count as posts, but if someone clicks thanks it should could towards my 10 beers since it was a useful post. There should also be a "recommend me" button for all below 10 post users. where if other users recommend me for the 10+ group it counts to my 10 beers. So i could be allowed to post in dev section if i havw only 2 posts where i have been thanked by 5 users and recomended by 3 users. (5 +2+3) = 10 beers.... Let me know what you guys think
Promotions
This same logic can be used for promoting from Jr. Member to Member to Sr Member and so on.
you know i am a senior Member if i have only 20 posts but 80 people have THANKED them? just that unlike above recommendations wont exist here.
And whats with the 8 post limit for the signatures?
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i believe its 100 post for Senior

Debel said:
i believe its 100 post for Senior
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i know that, but if you care to read the whole thing, you would know what i mean by 20 posts and 80 thanks (20 +80 =100)

kkoolpatz said:
i know that, but if you care to read the whole thing, you would know what i mean by 20 posts and 80 thanks (20 +80 =100)
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It isn't difficult to get to ten posts. This is a community, not a support forum. We want to encourage members to participate here in order to join the community. That as well as a way to combat spam are the reasons behind the ten post rule.

I understand what you are saying, but it's pretty easy to get 10 posts. I mean I have been here for about a month and I have over 100 posts. Doesn't take long at all, all I do is reply to questions that I can answer and hopefully help with. It's one way I can help here because I am still working on developing and no where near as talented as some of the folks on here.

While its pretty easy to get ten posts its also pretty easy for us to catch the people who go about it the wrong way and show them the error of their ways.
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conantroutman said:
While its pretty easy to get ten posts its also pretty easy for us to catch the people who go about it the wrong way and show them the error of their ways.
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What about the promotions part of my essay? Again it may be easy to get 100 posts too, but hey... would'nt it be awarding to promote a user to Sr Member at 90 posts (plus considerable number of THANKS) because his 90 were better than the other users 100 post?

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What about the promotions part of my essay? Again it may be easy to get 100 posts too, but hey... would'nt it be awarding to promote a user to Sr Moderator at 90 posts (plus considerable number of THANKS) because his 90 were better than the other users 100 post?
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Well that would be a decision for the admins.
I assume you meant senior member not moderator.
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conantroutman said:
I assume you meant senior member not moderator.
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Yes, corrected in my post. Thanks for pointing that out.

kkoolpatz said:
What about the promotions part of my essay? Again it may be easy to get 100 posts too, but hey... would'nt it be awarding to promote a user to Sr Member at 90 posts (plus considerable number of THANKS) because his 90 were better than the other users 100 post?
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Thanks count should remain separate from post count. The titles need reworking anyway, but your idea isn't half bad. Try raising the idea in the requests thread sticky.

Explain my post count , yes it's easy to get 10 posts
Herpderp Defy.

It may be easy to get the requisite 10 posts, but I still think his idea deserves consideration.
Though you'd really want a weighting system of some kind. For example, 1 post with 5 'thanks' counts as 2 posts, but with 10 'thanks' it counts as 4 posts. I don't know, something along those lines.

kiswa said:
It may be easy to get the requisite 10 posts, but I still think his idea deserves consideration.
Though you'd really want a weighting system of some kind. For example, 1 post with 5 'thanks' counts as 2 posts, but with 10 'thanks' it counts as 4 posts. I don't know, something along those lines.
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There is no reason to have the thanks count towards your posts. I'm in favor of it counting towards the meaningless titles that appear under your names, but that about it. It's really not that hard to get ten posts. I can't understand why you guys make it seem like the end of the world...

cajunflavoredbob said:
There is no reason to have the thanks count towards your posts. I'm in favor of it counting towards the meaningless titles that appear under your names, but that about it. It's really not that hard to get ten posts. I can't understand why you guys make it seem like the end of the world...
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Maybe saying they should count as posts wasn't the right word, but having some kind of 'credibility' rating based on some weighted ratio of thanks to posts could certainly be a useful metric to determine someones ability to post in a restricted space.
I'd much rather have someone with 5 posts that has been thanked 30 times be allowed in a restricted section, over someone with 5000 posts and 30 thanks.
Of course, that all assumes people appropriately use the thanks system, so yeah.
I can't understand why people jump to hyperbole and assume some kind of personal attack is meant when others are merely attempting to discuss a topic of interest on a public forum. Weird, right?

kiswa said:
Maybe saying they should count as posts wasn't the right word, but having some kind of 'credibility' rating based on some weighted ratio of thanks to posts could certainly be a useful metric to determine someones ability to post in a restricted space.
I'd much rather have someone with 5 posts that has been thanked 30 times be allowed in a restricted section, over someone with 5000 posts and 30 thanks.
Of course, that all assumes people appropriately use the thanks system, so yeah.
I can't understand why people jump to hyperbole and assume some kind of personal attack is meant when others are merely attempting to discuss a topic of interest on a public forum. Weird, right?
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The bottom line here is that we want members to actively involve themselves in the community, gaining ten proper posts is a good way to encourage this.
Theres also the issue of the thanks meter being essentially meaningless as someone could make two posts in off topic and easily gain ten thanks. (They'll thank anything in there )
I don't foresee a change to this rule anytime soon but I dare say that if changes are considered further down the line then this will probably come up for discussion.

kiswa said:
Maybe saying they should count as posts wasn't the right word, but having some kind of 'credibility' rating based on some weighted ratio of thanks to posts could certainly be a useful metric to determine someones ability to post in a restricted space.
I'd much rather have someone with 5 posts that has been thanked 30 times be allowed in a restricted section, over someone with 5000 posts and 30 thanks.
Of course, that all assumes people appropriately use the thanks system, so yeah.
I can't understand why people jump to hyperbole and assume some kind of personal attack is meant when others are merely attempting to discuss a topic of interest on a public forum. Weird, right?
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Once again, there is no reason to combine the thanks by any means into post count. I know what you are suggesting, but it isn't a good idea. weighting post count by means of thanks is opening the doors that were just closed for more spam. Why do you guys not see how simple it is to gain ten posts? Why would you not want to be a part of this community? That's what it's all about.
Also, I did not personally attack you at any point during either response, nor did I take your posts as attacks. Just because I point out flaws in your idea doesn't mean I dislike you as a person, just your one, singular idea by itself. Please remain civil.

I agree that it is easy to get the 10 posts. what my second part of the thread is that. we should consider giving credibility to folks who post better quality of posts which are actually quite helpful. please bear in mind that i am not trying to say that we should combine posts and thanks... what i am saying is a person who posted 80 posted and got 40 thanks for the same deserves more credibility than the user who posts 100 posts with no thanks at all. and that since the prior user has better quality of posts we should consider promoting him to Sr Member. (giving credibility for the quality of him posts.)

While I understand what you're saying, I don't think it's fair to judge a member on other members' use of the thanks button. You still see plenty of people actually posting "thanks", and not clicking it.
This can't be quanitified so it would be unfair.

kkoolpatz said:
I agree that it is easy to get the 10 posts. what my second part of the thread is that. we should consider giving credibility to folks who post better quality of posts which are actually quite helpful. please bear in mind that i am not trying to say that we should combine posts and thanks... what i am saying is a person who posted 80 posted and got 40 thanks for the same deserves more credibility than the user who posts 100 posts with no thanks at all. and that since the prior user has better quality of posts we should consider promoting him to Sr Member. (giving credibility for the quality of him posts.)
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The problem with that is only that the titles under the names are as meaningless as the thanks count. Just because it says Senior Member, that doesn't really get you any new amount of respect or anything. It doesn't let you post in any new forums. It's just a title change.
We've long argued for a better title system here. We've also long been ignored on it. We've previously stated that this system that you are proposing is very much open to excessive abuse. The other thing is that simply making someone a Senior Member has absolutely no benefits whatsoever.

cajunflavoredbob said:
The other thing is that simply making someone a Senior Member has absolutely no benefits whatsoever.
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I agree. At 35xx posts They should call you the same as what they would name a person with 100 posts. the title system certainly need a big revamp.

My issue with the 10-post rule

Hi all,
This will probably get deleted, but I'm just trying to contribute to discussion and get around what I consider a poor thought-out rule at the same time.
I am a long time reader, particularly of the [ROM] ICS 4.0.4 BCM RC3.4U0 GSM/CDMA <2012-05-19> (Bravo CM9 HWA) thread, but first time poster.
I consider myself to know more about the topic than a large number of the posters in that thread, though I certainly don't have knowledge on the subject anywhere near that than the experts in the thread. However, there have been many times when I have had the answer to someone's question, but have not been able to post.
The reason I cannot post is because the thread is limited to users who have made 10 or more posts. I can understand the need to filter out people who are asking the same question over and over again, but in doing so you filter out those who can genuinely contribute to the discussion. Just because I am not an active member in other forums of XDA, does not mean I am not able contribute to this thread.
So now, I have what I consider a reasonable question for the author of the thread, or another expert who may come across it. This question hasn't been asked before, and it bothers me that I cannot ask it. Other people may also benefit from me asking and receiving an answer to this question.
I thought about just creating 10 pointless posts in the general forum, but decided that would benefit no one. So here is my contribution to these forums, followed my 9 pointless posts. Kidding, I'll see whether I get responses to this and respond accordingly myself.
Thanks for reading.
Regards,
Shaun
P.S. I have to wait 5 minutes between editing posts as a new user to prevent spam? I've been here 5 months and not once posted anything, let alone spam.

shaunblyde said:
Hi all,
This will no doubt get deleted, but I'm just trying to contribute to discussion and get around what I consider a poor thought-out rule at the same time.
I am a long time reader, particularly of the [ROM] ICS 4.0.4 BCM RC3.4U0 GSM/CDMA <2012-05-19> (Bravo CM9 HWA) thread, but first time poster.
I consider myself to know more about the topic than a large number of the posters in that thread, though I certainly don't have knowledge on the subject anywhere near that than the experts in the thread. However, there have been many times when I have had the answer to someone's question, but have not been able to post.
The reason I cannot post is because the thread is limited to users who have made 10 or more posts. I can understand the need to filter out people who are asking the same question over and over again, but in doing so you filter out those who can genuinely contribute to the discussion. Just because I am not an active member in other forums of XDA, does not mean I am not able contribute to this thread.
So now, I have what I consider a reasonable question for the author of the thread, or another expert who may come across it. This question hasn't been asked before, and it bothers me that I cannot ask it. Other people may also benefit from me asking and receiving an answer to this question.
I thought about just creating 10 pointless posts in the general forum, but decided that would benefit no one. So here is my contribution to these forums, followed my 9 pointless posts. Kidding, I'll see whether I get responses to this and respond accordingly myself
Thanks for reading.
Regards,
Shaun
P.S. I have to wait 5 minutes between editing posts as a new user to prevent spam? I've been here 5 months and not once posted anything, let alone spam.
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If you know more about that topic, then you could have been sharing it all those months, by just making a few posts in your device's General thread. Or in it's Q&A thread. Or in a thread in the General Forum here. Or in the Off Topic forum. Pity.
Here is excellent advice on how to achieve 10 (and more) QUALITY posts.
Welcome to XDA.
One other thing, Dev threads are for development. If you want to help more people, start a thread like this one in your device Q&A area. You will be amazed at how many people you can help there.

Thanks for your response, the link you gave was interesting and I should have looked for such information prior to posting. Considering I was quite blunt, I appreciate your helpful explanation.
Personally I still feel the rule is limiting many people from contributing from discussion that would otherwise get involved. I know there aren't exactly any other solutions to reduce the number of repeat questions, but my opinion is that more discussion is better than less, provided it is on-topic (even if it may be a "stupid" question).
I'll admit I'm not here explicitly to share my knowledge, I am here to gain knowledge for myself. I think most users here would be the same, although obviously there is a great community here that are not just in it for themselves. But if I see someone struggling with something that I know the answer to, I would be pleased to have the opportunity to give them a hand and give back in that manner, rather than lurk in silence.
I also do not consider myself an expert in any area XDA relates to. However having read the entire thread, referenced in the first post, over the months it has been contributed to, I consider myself able to help out there more than anywhere else on XDA. The Q&A type thread you mentioned is not specific to the knowledge I have gained from following the thread and it seems to more sensible to me to give my knowledge back to people where they will be looking for it.
As an aside, I'm not sure how much I would even consider the thread a development thread. For the most part it is one person developing (combined with his using work from other developers etc). What he does is excellent, no doubt about that, but it is basically him alone developing. The thread itself is mainly substantiated of feedback to improve to ROM or questions on any issues or the like. It is not used for collaboration as such. Any additional discussion would not hinder development collaboration, rather it would allow for more feedback for the developer and more knowledge for users of the ROM.
Thanks again for your reponse mf2112.
To be honest, I'm not sure what I thought I may achieve by posting here, as I'm sure you've seen it all before. So that said, if you wish to finish the discussion here that's fine by me, but if you do have more to add, I'd be happy to hear it.
Thanks.

I'm just like you, struggling to get something more in this forum. Just never give up.

The first few post restrictions are mostly for spam control. Otherwise new accounts would be opened and we would be flooded with spam posts advertising stuff in every forum.
Your device appears to be the HTC Desire from the ROM link. If you want to learn more, check out the other Desire subforums. Knowledge is everywhere on XDA.
BandenX said:
I'm just like you, struggling to get something more in this forum. Just never give up.
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Excellent advice.

im not gonna lie i dont even know what the 10 post rule is?
yeah o course im thinking the obvious but im normally checking stuff before i do any actions anyway?

chisme said:
im not gonna lie i dont even know what the 10 post rule is?
yeah o course im thinking the obvious but im normally checking stuff before i do any actions anyway?
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The 10 post rule is for dev forums. If you have less than 10 then it is supposed to stop you from posting there, however it seems not to be enforced sometimes in some dev threads.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using xda premium

Similar situation here, but the rule is pretty standard at a lot of forums. Nothing to do about it but try to make 10 productive posts. Here's my first one. I noticed that the introduction threads are in each device forum, so an intro for each device will put me pretty close.
I'm a huge fan of the XDA community, and like the OP, I've been reading different threads for months. Looking forward to learning with you guys and hopefully contributing eventually. My experience in the field is limited, I learned basic web development in the early 2000s and have barely kept those skills up in the last decade.
Rooted EVO 4G - off contract, used mostly by 4 year old
Wife has stock EVO 3D - had S-ON root but got it put back to stock for her
I have an unlocked and rooted Motorola Photon, running CW7
Asus Transformer running stock ICS
Samsung Galaxy 10.1" running stock HC
I'll be getting an EVO View in a few days, will update at that time.

i too am a long time member here in XDA, since i got the XDA II hmmmm or was it the casiopia
anyways i recently became active just this 2012 when i got my hands on the HD2 - what a magnificent phone & there are alot of magnificent devs & chef here in XDA.
just by asking a lot of "meaningful" question i got through the hurdles of flashing & upgrading & even made my own tutorial for the ultra noob's
whatever Rule or Restriction that is in placed now is for the good of the site & it's user after all this is a FREE Forum/ site & at the same time you get to learn from some of the greatest.

now this is something else lol
fastest way to reach 10 post in just a few hours ot minutes
test (thread 1 2)
Originally Posted By: anserinae
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1666667

mengfei said:
now this is something else lol
fastest way to reach 10 post in just a few hours ot minutes
test (thread 1 2)
Originally Posted By: anserinae
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1666667
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That's a pretty quick way of finding yourself unable to post anywhere ever again.
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this 10 post rule has infuriated me. All it does is force people to spam so they can voice their concerns about a rom in a thread only allowing 10+ posters

jeromejones said:
this 10 post rule has infuriated me. All it does is force people to spam so they can voice their concerns about a rom in a thread only allowing 10+ posters
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Forced to spam???
Forced?
If people feel the need to spam to reach ten posts then I dare say that they have nothing worth contributing to a development forum.
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mf2112 said:
The 10 post rule is for dev forums. If you have less than 10 then it is supposed to stop you from posting there, however it seems not to be enforced sometimes in some dev threads.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using xda premium
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If you happen to have joined XDA prior to 2007 then the 10 post rule doesn't apply... I believe....

jeromejones said:
this 10 post rule has infuriated me. All it does is force people to spam so they can voice their concerns about a rom in a thread only allowing 10+ posters
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Well, let's look at it this way. What happens when you start to look for threads you can contribute to? You start to post and be a contributing member of XDA instead of a leech. No one likes leeches - they suck the life from XDA. So why don't you take that fury that you evidently are feeling and turn that into a force to be reckoned with? Become someone who is known for contributing.

I understand being frustrated by the limit. However, once I decided I wanted to post in the dev forums, it took me less than two days to make 10 good posts. Two days sounds like a lot, but I would take that anyday to keep these forums as clean and awesome as they are.
The moderators already take on a huge responsibility - look at how many threads end up getting locked because someone gets on here and asks the experts to draw up a 20-step program for their own personal use instead of taking a few hours to read and process the large amount of content that is already here. Imagine how much worse this would be is such posts were also mucking up the dev forums.

jerdog said:
Well, let's look at it this way. What happens when you start to look for threads you can contribute to? You start to post and be a contributing member of XDA instead of a leech. No one likes leeches - they suck the life from XDA. So why don't you take that fury that you evidently are feeling and turn that into a force to be reckoned with? Become someone who is known for contributing.
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That is exactly what happened to me when I started here a few months ago. I wanted to post a question in a Sensation dev thread, ran into the limit, and now just a few months later, I am on here for hours every day in my "jobby" helping people in various threads in multiple forums.

It's really easy to get 10 posts in less than an hour. Just answer some questions in q&a and general and yes, if can't easily answer any questions on this entire forum, then you really shouldn't be posting anything. Ever.
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If you happen to have joined XDA prior to 2007 then the 10 post rule doesn't apply... I believe....
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Must be later than that, here is someone's very first post and it is in a dev thread and he joined XDA in Feb 2010.

mf2112 said:
Must be later than that, here is someone's very first post and it is in a dev thread and he joined XDA in Feb 2010.
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Maybe he was using tapatalk/xda app

Why So Hostile?

Hi!
I really enjoy the forum but why is it so hostile to new users? For example, being forced to do a CAPTCHA every time I write a new post, and when I wanted to share my desktop in the share your desktop thread in the Galaxy Tab 10.1 forum I was blocked because I'm new, and then when I went to fix a typo in a post I'd just made, it told me I had to wait FIVE minutes! Believe me, I understand what a problem spammers are. I am a moderator on another tech forum and I used to be a moderator for MTV. I get it. But treating all your new users as if they are spammers and making them jump through hoops or blocking them from being able to do simple things like share a screenshot just gives off a "we hate new users, we know you're all evil spammers so we hope this frustrates you enough to drive you away" vibe.
I understand that your rules are your rules and respect that, and I like it here. I just wanted to put in my two cents about the impression it gives new users.

BretonGirl said:
Hi!
I really enjoy the forum but why is it so hostile to new users? For example, being forced to do a CAPTCHA every time I write a new post, and when I wanted to share my desktop in the share your desktop thread in the Galaxy Tab 10.1 forum I was blocked because I'm new, and then when I went to fix a typo in a post I'd just made, it told me I had to wait FIVE minutes! Believe me, I understand what a problem spammers are. I am a moderator on another tech forum and I used to be a moderator for MTV. I get it. But treating all your new users as if they are spammers and making them jump through hoops or blocking them from being able to do simple things like share a screenshot just gives off a "we hate new users, we know you're all evil spammers so we hope this frustrates you enough to drive you away" vibe.
I understand that your rules are your rules and respect that, and I like it here. I just wanted to put in my two cents about the impression it gives new users.
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even though ive given you a thanks or this, i do believe its set correctly. This forum has soooooo many existing users plus the new ones joining everyday its very suprising how little advertising,spamming goes on here and i do think its contributed by the new user rules.
I myself have only ever been a mod for a 200+ forum and the amount of spam we had to delete each day was a joke, imagine how many links around the web lead to xda....the amount of spam this site would be suffering had they not placed these rules the xda maybe not what we all cherish today
edit "NOTE", lol just wait until you accidentally post in the wrong section

I understand your situation, considering that you have been a forum moderator in other forums
But when I was a new user i never got to enter any captcha or so !
I have no clue that Captcha was being used on XDA to be honest!
But one thing that can help you is that you can answer others's questions in the Q and A forum of the device(s) you own. Helps to get that 10 post thing done early, especially if you know enough to help someone else out
Anyways all the best and you can PM me if you need any more help or you may contact a senior admin
just my 2 (+1) cents p) and Peace!

I've never been a moderator for any forum and even I know the effect spammers can have if the proper procedures don't take place.
But you gotta know, it's only for a few posts...it's not like you'll be entering captcha codes in forever and never be able to share weblinks or screen shots.
Just ride it out, we all had to

Well, this is a touchy subject.
Being such a high traffic forum we really do need aggressive anti spam measures.
As for the restrictions on the development sections.... We'll that's also a touchy subject but for entirely different reasons.
Once upon a time XDA was populated solely by developers, developers who developed for no other reason than the love of developing. Then the smartphone became accessible to more and more people, which led to more and more members who weren't developers. This led to lots and lots of questions, many of which were placed in the development forums, which isn't the right place for non development related questions. Therefore a system was put in place which prevents new users from posting in the development sections with the intention of giving them the opportunity to get to know how XDA works before jumping straight in and spamming up the hallowed halls of the development forums.....
That's about it really.. Check out the sticky in this section for a more detailed explanation
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I appreciate everyone's replies. I have no problem with the 10 posts before getting access to the developer's section. You certainly don't want anything but quality in a section like that.
I also understand the spam issue. One of my day jobs is as a staff writer for a blog hosted by a company that makes anti-spam software. I know more than I ever wanted to on the subject!
This is a great forum!

I agree
The forum is very anti-noob. I hate entering capta images that I can hardly read, can only post every 5 minutes, this really sucks. I hope when I hit 10 posts this crap goes away

I like the spam features that this site has in place, I think more forum sites need to put something like this in place. It's not that hard to get 10 posts if you're helping people out.

Chaotic Peace said:
I like the spam features that this site has in place, I think more forum sites need to put something like this in place. It's not that hard to get 10 posts if you're helping people out.
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most new users on this forum are looking for help , so i guess most users first 10 post will be for asking help and not giving .

i kind of like the idea of captcha on the first few post i may use it on my site. i have a xbox modding site and it generates a bit of spam from time to time.

webjunky said:
most new users on this forum are looking for help , so i guess most users first 10 post will be for asking help and not giving .
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Yep, and at the same time most new users don't understand the concept of searching the forums so their first 10 posts which are asking rather than helping would probably have already been asked previously. i.e. forum gets cluttered up, which is pretty much a form of spam.

Chaotic Peace said:
I like the spam features that this site has in place, I think more forum sites need to put something like this in place. It's not that hard to get 10 posts if you're helping people out.
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Yeah exactly! And making ten posts isn't that time consuming either at the same time.

webjunky said:
most new users on this forum are looking for help , so i guess most users first 10 post will be for asking help and not giving .
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This is true as well. But if they need help they should be posting in the Q&A sections of their device not the development section.

I think the rules are there for a reason and the MODs and Admin have thought a lot on this issue and its only for first 10 posts.

It's not too bad, it's worth it.
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I think if people were able to sign in with their google accounts though there wouldn't be need for all this...

conantroutman said:
This led to lots and lots of questions, many of which were placed in the development forums, which isn't the right place for non development related questions. Therefore a system was put in place which prevents new users from posting in the development sections with the intention of giving them the opportunity to get to know how XDA works before jumping straight in and spamming up the hallowed halls of the development
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And now they post Questions in the general forums =.=
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We're always trying to make things better on the forums. This means we have to try stuff to see if it works. It's basically trial & error for the most part.
The spamming has decreased alot the past couple of months with the new captchas and 10 post rule. Still, we need to find a way to make it less difficult to join our forums and more difficult to post spam. Ideas are always welcome of course.

Annoying for non noobs
I still haven't made my 10 posts because all the stuff I want to respond to is in the developer forums so now I have to search the boards for things to reply to to actually find something to respond even though I've been a member for over a year and a user of this website for a few years!
Whilst I understand the reasoning security vs usability can sometimes be a massive P.I.T.A

Slotty_AU said:
I still haven't made my 10 posts because all the stuff I want to respond to is in the developer forums so now I have to search the boards for things to reply to to actually find something to respond even though I've been a member for over a year and a user of this website for a few years!
Whilst I understand the reasoning security vs usability can sometimes be a massive P.I.T.A
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Is it so much to ask that you read for a bit first, pick up some knowledge and experience, help a few people in the 90+% of the site which is completely open to you such as your devices General or Q&A forums or any of the General discussion forums, to participate with quality posts instead of BS posts, in return for being able to post into any of the ROM threads from any dev on this site?

I've had the immense privilege of watching this site grow since just a couple months after it introduced a few new phone models to the original O2 XDA. I actually get my soap opera fix and tech fix all in one! I'm hooked.
It's not just spam. I was a horrendous new user, posting in the wrong forum, responding to emotional posts enough to encourage them, I even chewed out a guy for blasting a noob. The problem is organic, and though spam has become part of that (probably the hugest part, now) it's that organic nature of this forum that makes it so great. Really tough problem to grow something cleanly without squelching it.
I was wondering if XDA could track a user's searches, or forums "read" for more than a minute, and after 30 or so, then stop the captchas. It seems like over the years it's folks who don't search & read (spammers or otherwise) that are the detraction. Maybe something like being in "reader" status as a step to becoming a new user & able to post at all.
1. I could have used it.
2. I'm putting this here, in the weird forum for this topic it's in, to see what people think. Wanting to have input as a developer is definitely a magnification of the problem. I'm glad it's here.
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restricted account help

Hi mods
I after years I am bothering to ask that you please remove the "n00b" restrictions on my account. I am not one to wank away on your pages just to make them sticky... I generally have feedback to give or questions to ask and as much as I always go to other sources to post rather than here due to restriction, I have a lot of experience with OUYA, and now I am just annoyed that yet another android topic I know so much about, I cannot give input without jumping through anti-spam hoops on your page... and don't get me started on LG or Sony XP (if any of you know my professional bg you know what I mean)
I am not going to go helping fellow users when I have to wait 5 minutes between posts when scanning forums during a meal break... just like my detailed post on how to flash to LG's went largely unnoticed due to your restrictions originally.
look at my posts and make a judgement.
look at my OUYA profile and make a judgement.
facebook me and make a judgement.
anyway I don't think you are like most tech forums... but I don't really want a teenager with an ego to tell me to waste space with x posts and make a bait-post to get x pluses to get more access... I just want to help others how I like to be helped - openly and free so let that happen

Hicsy said:
Hi mods
I after years I am bothering to ask that you please remove the "n00b" restrictions on my account. I am not one to wank away on your pages just to make them sticky... I generally have feedback to give or questions to ask and as much as I always go to other sources to post rather than here due to restriction, I have a lot of experience with OUYA, and now I am just annoyed that yet another android topic I know so much about, I cannot give input without jumping through anti-spam hoops on your page... and don't get me started on LG or Sony XP (if any of you know my professional bg you know what I mean)
I am not going to go helping fellow users when I have to wait 5 minutes between posts when scanning forums during a meal break... just like my detailed post on how to flash to LG's went largely unnoticed due to your restrictions originally.
look at my posts and make a judgement.
look at my OUYA profile and make a judgement.
facebook me and make a judgement.
anyway I don't think you are like most tech forums... but I don't really want a teenager with an ego to tell me to waste space with x posts and make a bait-post to get x pluses to get more access... I just want to help others how I like to be helped - openly and free so let that happen
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Just head over to Q&A and help 9 members, then you can can post in the dev section.
The 10 post rule applies to everyone...including you.

upndwn4par said:
Just head over to Q&A and help 9 members, then you can can post in the dev section.
The 10 post rule applies to everyone...including you.
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I am pretty sure I have more than 10 posts... all of which I would assume provide value, but thank you for your input
EDIT: *sigh*... waiting for 5 minute rule...

Hicsy said:
I am pretty sure I have more than 10 posts... all of which I would assume provide value, but thank you for your input
EDIT: *sigh*... waiting for 5 minute rule...
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You may have tripped the Whining and Complaining detector. Mods add another hour before you can post in the dev section.
Sometimes there is a short delay after you make your 10 posts. Won't be long now...

Hicsy said:
I am pretty sure I have more than 10 posts... all of which I would assume provide value, but thank you for your input
EDIT: *sigh*... waiting for 5 minute rule...
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Sir, while you are waiting to make another Post...here is some good reading post #3 of this thread, explains the reasoning and value of posting.
[GUIDE] - XDA New User Guide - Getting started on XDA
And of course along with these FORUM RULES .
Thanks.

Want To Post In Development?

This thread is aimed at teaching new users the way to be able to post in a development thread WITHOUT spamming or posting rubbish and help you get along better in the development threads.
I know that this thread will probably be ignored by most users who this is aimed at, BUT if it helps teach even a few users then this has been worth it.
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**As of January 2016, you no longer need to have 10 posts to be able to post in development threads. To be able to create your own thread in the development forums you will need to have 50 posts though.
If you have a thread you'd like to post into the development forum but you don't have enough posts, you can create your thread in the General section for your device and then ask a Moderator of that forum to move it into the Development forum for you.**
First, let's look at why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread ;
*They think it's the cool place to hangout.
*They think their question will be answered quicker.
*They want to say thanks to a developer for the work that they've done.
*They think their question is important and should be posted in development.
Now, let's explain the truth about the 4 points above ;
*Development threads are NOT the cool place to hangout. As this is a development forum there's no need to hangout but if you really feel the need to relax and hangout with other members, then participate in some discussions in the General section of your device.
*Your question will NOT be answered any quicker by posting it in a development thread. If you take a look at every single device forum on XDA, you'll see that the Q&A forum will always have more posts and threads than development forums will.
*While it's nice that you want to thank the developer for their hard work, making a post saying "Thanks" will only fill up the thread with useless posts. To stop this, XDA admins added a Thanks button which you will see at the bottom of every post on this forum (as long as you have made 1 post). If you're using the XDA app, just click on the relevant post and you'll see a few options appear. One of those options is "Thanks".
If you think that clicking the Thanks button is not enough then you could always donate to the developer to help them carry on development.
*While your question may well be important, it still doesn't belong in the development section. You may get flamed if you post your question there as all questions should be posted in the Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting forum. Development is only intended for development.
What's the best way for me to make 50 posts?
*As is mentioned a lot when talking about new users, the best way to make your first 50 posts is to go to your device forum and see if you can help some people in the Q&A forum. This is a great thing to do because it means you can help others learn more from you helping them with their questions. You may also gain some Thanks along the way.
*If you can't answer the questions, either because they're too hard OR others answer them too quickly, you go into your devices General forum and get involved in some discussions about your phone. This is a great thing to do because it can teach you some things which you didn't know about your device + you may be able to share what you've learnt which others may not know about. It also gives you a good introduction to your forum and the people you will see there.
*If you can't contribute towards any of the discussions either then you can also have a look around the following forums and see if you can help people in the forums aswell - General, Questions & Answers, Android General and Android Q&A.​
How can I get involved with the development community?
Well, being active is the simple answer.
As you'll notice across XDA, the type of posts allowed in development threads are decided by the developer. Some developers want dev talk only. The won't want any kind of questions or general comments. Most, however, don't really mind what kind of posts go into their thread. Most will allow questions and a small amount of off topic chatter to happen within their thread. This allows a small community to grow - one who uses this certain piece of development and can help out others along the way. Getting involved in such small communities is great because you can learn a lot, help people a lot and even make your way towards those 50 posts needed to create your own thread in the development forums.​
Now that you've read through this thread, you will know the best and easiest way to make your first 50 posts. If you see any other members who are not following this guidance, feel free to link them to this thread so that they can learn from it aswell. Now you're good to go! ​

Good job, I added a link from the new user guide. :good:

This is definitely the thing that was needed.
@KidCarter93,you have done a good job
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d'oh said:
Seriosly, the rule annoys me, having 10 posts does not mean you have any idea about developement...
Half of the posts in the dev threads i follow are exactly the kind of posts that are tried to prevent with this rule... The authors of the posts often have 100+ posts but show they do not have any idea...
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You are right.. if the rule wasn't there.. think what might have happened.. it prevents users from creating account and jump to development section.. it lets you understand how the site works when you are gaining 10 posts..
You can always report such posts you mentioned or you can suggest better alternative if you have one in alternative to 10 post rule thread here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2115765

mikef said:
Good job, I added a link from the new user guide. :good:
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Well done mate !
Just added a link from the New members friendly Q&A thread.

Nice write up you always do a good job with these things.
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Thx for the advice
Being one of the users this thread is aimed at, I say thank you.
Your tone is friendly and not arrogant, the advice seems helpful and reasonable.
And I say this although I'm one of the users who's reason to post is not listed in your first argument about "why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread".
I actually wanted to post, to report on a currently discussed issue, that seemed to be not clear yet and help another user by linking to a thread about Link2SD to help him resolve his issue.
But I understand and accept the rules - that's why I'm off now to the Q&A for the SGA. Maybe I can share my experiences with flashing my device there

McFex said:
Being one of the users this thread is aimed at, I say thank you.
Your tone is friendly and not arrogant, the advice seems helpful and reasonable.
And I say this although I'm one of the users who's reason to post is not listed in your first argument about "why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread".
I actually wanted to post, to report on a currently discussed issue, that seemed to be not clear yet and help another user by linking to a thread about Link2SD to help him resolve his issue.
But I understand and accept the rules - that's why I'm off now to the Q&A for the SGA. Maybe I can share my experiences with flashing my device there
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I'd just like to say thanks for doing things "properly". When you first posted the above comment, I kept an eye on your posts to see what you were posting. I was actually pleasently surprised to see you were posting the way this thread asks for it to be done.
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KidCarter93 said:
I'd just like to say thanks for doing things "properly". When you first posted the above comment, I kept an eye on your posts to see what you were posting. I was actually pleasently surprised to see you were posting the way this thread asks for it to be done.
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Even if I run the risk of posting the occasional "useless" post here, let me say thanks for saying thanks .
Feels good to be appreciated.
This forum is wonderful, just like most of the regulars here.
It's a pity, that for many noobs the substance of the first post is not common sense, but I guess most noobs are also noobs to life itself (unlike me ), and still have to learn the meaning of "If you wish for potatoes, you better grab a hoe!".
But you know how it is, haters gonna hate and noobs will be noobs

What about experienced devs who happen to be new to xda?
Thanks for the post, those are good points about how to make your 10 posts, but I can't help but feel a little frustrated as a long time software developer but new xda user:
KidCarter93 said:
First, let's look at why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread ;
*They think it's the cool place to hangout.
*They think their question will be answered quicker.
*They want to say thanks to a developer for the work that they've done.
*They think their question is important and should be posted in development.
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The ROM I use uses XDA as their main bug reporting platform, I have a legitimate bug report to make but it's a bit annoying having to jump through hoops to report it

brainflakes said:
Thanks for the post, those are good points about how to make your 10 posts, but I can't help but feel a little frustrated as a long time software developer but new xda user:
The ROM I use uses XDA as their main bug reporting platform, I have a legitimate bug report to make but it's a bit annoying having to jump through hoops to report it
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Well, you can pm the dev or any active user in that thread to post it in behalf of you. Or just make 10 posts as xda is more than just a single rom and you would surely like to get involved sooner or later
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Deadly said:
Well, you can pm the dev or any active user in that thread to post it in behalf of you. Or just make 10 posts as xda is more than just a single rom and you would surely like to get involved sooner or later
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Well, I wouldn't know who was best to hassle with a PM Anyway yeah I'm just bringing my post number up by answering Q&A questions, I suppose helping a few users out is "payment" for being able to use the dev forum

brainflakes said:
Thanks for the post, those are good points about how to make your 10 posts, but I can't help but feel a little frustrated as a long time software developer but new xda user:
The ROM I use uses XDA as their main bug reporting platform, I have a legitimate bug report to make but it's a bit annoying having to jump through hoops to report it
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Experienced devs could always write to a moderator and ask for the restriction to be lifted for their account. Surprisingly few do this however, but generally just start helping people and get to 10 pretty quickly.
Thank you,
mikef
XDA Senior Moderator

thanks for information
going to dhd forum to help other guys......

Notes taken :good:

I already have more than 10 posts, how come I still cant post in development?

MilkEven said:
I already have more than 10 posts, how come I still cant post in development?
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Sometimes it can take up to an hour before your able to post in development because of the system refreshing itself.
If it becomes over an hour since your tenth post, your best option would be to contact a moderator who could then get it sorted for you
Your question shouldn't have been asked in here though.
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hey guys, i got now 10 posts, but still cannot post in developer forum :/
*edit* ... already answered... im stupid

eloquent said:
hey guys, i got now 10 posts, but still cannot post in developer forum :/
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KidCarter93 said:
Sometimes it can take up to an hour before your able to post in development because of the system refreshing itself.
If it becomes over an hour since your tenth post, your best option would be to contact a moderator who could then get it sorted for you
Your question shouldn't have been asked in here though.
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^ This ^
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Developer frustration
I totally see the point... BUT: As a developer wanting to help by sharing modules/code on a development thread I was thwarted by the ten post rule.
Sure, I can take the time to "help" in other threads so that I can ultimately help in the thread that I originally intended but it makes me wonder how many skilled developers are refraining from helping simply because they don't have the time or inclination to get to the ten post count.
In the spirit of helping people that are having the same problem as I had (that drove me to develop the module I'm planning on posting) I will persevere.