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Newbie Questions about EVO Rooting

I'm coming from a rooted port of Android for the Sprint Touch (Vogue) (Thanks DZO, Myn, and company!!!) and WOW EVO is amazing.
Anyways I have a few questions I need help with getting started I've been reading a lot but I'm still overwhelmed with the wealth of info:
#1. I updated the OTA - does this mean I can't root yet until the new OTA is rooted?
#2. I would like to go to a new rom without all the junk. I don't use sense, or any of that other fancy stuff running in the background. Is there a rom you would recommend?
#3. In the past, I had a rooted device where I could modify the androidinstall.tar and remove .apk's I didn't want. Is this possible with the current situation on EVO?
#4. With all these roms, do you generally clean wipe everything each time? or do settings / apps / configs remain?
Thanks!!!

I can try to answer your questions.
1. Unless something has come out recently off you are stock and did the update no way to root yet.
2. I just use stock ROM and remove what I don't use.
3. I personally use "root explorer" once you are root you can either unlock nand and use out to remove bloatware or you can adb and remove with your computer.
4. I'm not to sure about those commands, I haven't ever used those.
Look at the sticky in any forum and go to the ROM and Guide link and everything you need to know its there. Keep a close lookout I'm sure somebody will figure out how to root the update soon.
Ifly
EVO fully rooted fresh

ifly4vamerica said:
I can try to answer your questions.
1. Unless something has come out recently off you are stock and did the update no way to root yet.
2. I just use stock ROM and remove what I don't use.
3. I personally use "root explorer" once you are root you can either unlock nand and use out to remove bloatware or you can adb and remove with your computer.
4. I'm not to sure about those commands, I haven't ever used those.
Look at the sticky in any forum and go to the ROM and Guide link and everything you need to know its there. Keep a close lookout I'm sure somebody will figure out how to root the update soon.
Ifly
EVO fully rooted fresh
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Thanks!
Yeah I love root explorer, that's how I used to change things on my old phone. I have it installed but I guess I just have to wait for them to root the update. Maybe I shouldn't have updated
Oh well, knowing XDA they will probably root it by the time I'm finished typing this post. I'll keep reading those stickies... thanks for the answer though!

No problem. Yeah, never install an update till the devs ok it. Good luck.
Ifly
EVO fully rooted fresh

Crap one question I forgot - without being rooted - is there anyway I can do the wireless tethering besides the standard Sprint program?

There is a program on the market called easytether. One is the lite version, which is free. The full version is 10 bucks

Dave2582 said:
There is a program on the market called easytether. One is the lite version, which is free. The full version is 10 bucks
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yeah but it doesnt work as a router which is what I want. I decided to just use the sprint version for 29 a month

New to these forums...Need help??

Hello to all.
I have had my G2 for a month now.
This is my first android.
I was wondering if maybe someone could please clarify some questions I have about Rooting?
I apologize in advance for any questions I may ask that makes you say"Are you effing kidding me?!?!"
1. Is rooting pretty much clearing off your phone and installing a whole new software??
2. If i ever want to come back to stock tmobile...am I able to? (will I even want to??) lol
3. I know gingerbread is coming...how do those updates work on a rooted phone?
4. What precautions should I take when rooting my g2?
5. What is cyanogenmod?...
Sorry for asking these "obvious" questions, but I am trying to understand everything before I try to root my device.
Thank you to all!

MrTeddyChills said:
Hello to all.
I have had my G2 for a month now.
This is my first android.
I was wondering if maybe someone could please clarify some questions I have about Rooting?
I apologize in advance for any questions I may ask that makes you say"Are you effing kidding me?!?!"
1. Is rooting pretty much clearing off your phone and installing a whole new software??
2. If i ever want to come back to stock tmobile...am I able to? (will I even want to??) lol
3. I know gingerbread is coming...how do those updates work on a rooted phone?
4. What precautions should I take when rooting my g2?
5. What is cyanogenmod?...
Sorry for asking these "obvious" questions, but I am trying to understand everything before I try to root my device.
Thank you to all!
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1. rooting makes it possible to flash new roms (which do require you to wipe your system, but once rooted use titanium backup, free app, to back up ur apps on the sdcard)
2. yes there are a few threads on here that walk you through on how to turn security on and install a stock rom
3.as far as i can tell you still get the t-mobile updates sent, and developers here take the new software and make it available to run on our devices.
4. Make sure your device is charged and follow EACH STEP in ORDER and copy the commands CORRECTLY.
5. "CyanogenMod is a free, community built distribution of Android 2.2 (Froyo) which greatly extends the capabilities of your phone." so in short they develop software.

I'd like to add that you will get updates a LOT faster with a rooted phone vs stock OTAs
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

shadyx513 said:
1. rooting makes it possible to flash new roms (which do require you to wipe your system, but once rooted use titanium backup, free app, to back up ur apps on the sdcard)
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Sorry, that's not right. To the OP - Rooting gives you access to the "root" user on the phone, which allows more powerful customisations and allows certain apps to run (those which require root).
S-OFF (security off) is the thing that allows you to flash custom ROMs. You could root and not touch S-OFF, or you could both root and S-OFF.
Neither of these require you to wipe the phone. But you need to be very careful in understanding what you're doing when you do either of these steps.

[Q] Newb questions about rooting/roms

So i have an HTC Evo with the latest OTA update 3.70.651.1. Completely stock, non rooted. I know very little about both rooting and roms other then what i quickly went over in a few Q&A's here.
Im not sure what to do, if anything, so i thought id ask here. Primarily id like to be able to delete unwanted stock apps/bloatware and backup the entire phone (like making a recovery image). Itd be nice to be able to wirelessly tether but this isnt necessary. Other then that id like to keep it the same.
Is it possible to root but use the stock rom? if so what does this accomplish?
Is there a risk free way to accomplish my goals?
Thanks

Im not sure what to do, if anything, so i thought id ask here. Primarily id like to be able to delete unwanted stock apps/bloatware and backup the entire phone (like making a recovery image). Itd be nice to be able to wirelessly tether but this isnt necessary. Other then that id like to keep it the same.
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You would need to root to do this.
Is it possible to root but use the stock rom?
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Absolutely. Thats what I do. The only reason I rooted was for wireless tether, and titanium backup. Other than that, I didnt want another rom, I love the stock one.
if so what does this accomplish?
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Exactly what you just asked for in the previous paragraph.
Is there a risk free way to accomplish my goals?
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Nope. There is ALWAYS a risk when doing anything in life, and rooting your phone in no different. However, it is actually quite difficult to completely brick your phone. Most of the time, if you follow the directions, you will be fine. But if you do screw up, you can usually just flash a stock ruu and redo it.

Thanks for the information. Is there anything the free version of titanium backup doesnt backup? What does a nandroid backup save?
Also will rooting alone allow me to delete any app on the phone?
Lastly what would be the recommended way for someone new like me to root my phone (or resources i can use to pick a method)? Is there a way to restore my phone back to stock if i need to?
Thanks again. As i ask these questions im also digging into the forums looking for specific answers

Hey welcome to XDA.
I don't know when you received your phone, but it seems very brand new to me, I would say your best luck is to try to look for the details of your main specs in your phone, when you start to root your phone, you look for instructions here to setup properly on How to do the root process with the same exact phone detail specs of it.
I was rooted with an older OTA at first, but I see these new OTAs are up on new EVOs but It's kinda fishy to think of how to root it with the latest OTA on the old leet legit methods that toastcfh had...you know...The Manual Professional way, without the risk of bricking your phone completely, if you had the chance to root successfully with idiot proof instructions, I say that was quite a day for me then.

Actually ive had my Evo since release, ive just been too scared to risk bricking it til now lol.
i currently have:
hboot 2.10
software 3.70.651.1
hardware 0002
i took down some other info but idk if it matters for rooting directions.
So far from my searches it appears the only option for hboot 2.10 + 3.70.651.1 is a pretty lengthy/difficult for beginners method. Is that accurate?
Also my primary concern is deleting bloatware/included apps, does rooting alone allow me to delete these?
Also none of the guides ive seen detail how to backup your phone before the root, is there an easy way to make like a backup image of the stock stuff + data,sms,phone log, etc?
Thanks again everyone, still digging but your help will make it go much more smoothly

So ive pretty much discovered that my 2 options are do it the "hard" way or wait for unrevoked to update their stuff for the newest evo software/hboot. Im probably going to wait.
In the meantime i want to make sure of a few things, deleteing apps, backup, wireless tether. How would i approach each of these; can i use the built in app manager to delete apps? the built in wireless tether to tether? what exactly does nandroid backup compared to titanium backup?
Does the stock rom support netfilter?
Is there any scenario in which ota updates wont break root?
Thanks again

ctbenk said:
In the meantime i want to make sure of a few things, deleteing apps, backup, wireless tether. How would i approach each of these; can i use the built in app manager to delete apps? the built in wireless tether to tether? what exactly does nandroid backup compared to titanium backup?
Is there any scenario in which ota updates wont break root?
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To delete apps, you will want to use Titanium Backup. After removing stock apps, some of them still stay indexed, so you will need to boot to recovery and wipe your cache and dalvik to clear them from the apps list.
You won't be able to use the built-in wireless tether to tether unless you flash a new rom that unlocked that feature. Once rooted, there is a an app on the market called Wireless Tether for Root Users that will accomplish what you are looking for.
Titanium Backup will also allow you to backup your apps and data so that in the event you do flash a new rom, you can restore them without losing anything.
Titanium Backup is designed to backup your apps and data, Nandroid(recovery) will backup your entire ROM, so if you do flash a new rom, you can always revert back to your stock setup exactly how you left it.
OTA updates will always break your root, but at the same time don't offer much in the terms of upgrading. Plus 90% of the time the dev's here release a rooted version of the OTA update very shortly after it goes live.

Samsung Galaxy USA Tmobile S3.. root question

hello all. I've rooted my past phones, and used custom ROMS.
I'm wondering if it's possible to just root my S3, but keep the stock Rom on it? i think it's fast, and I'm quite happy with it!
I'd like to be able to remove some of the bloat programs, and be able to do backups via titanium.
Is this possible?
Would i be able to do samsung ROM updates with ease?
would this void my warranty?
Could someone guide me to the right guide to accomplish this task?
Thanks for your time, and assistance!

xtacybyme said:
hello all. I've rooted my past phones, and used custom ROMS.
I'm wondering if it's possible to just root my S3, but keep the stock Rom on it? i think it's fast, and I'm quite happy with it!
I'd like to be able to remove some of the bloat programs, and be able to do backups via titanium.
Is this possible?
Would i be able to do samsung ROM updates with ease?
would this void my warranty?
Could someone guide me to the right guide to accomplish this task?
Thanks for your time, and assistance!
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Of course you can root your phone and stay on the stock rom, that's where your at after every root! Just don't flash a rom, your not forced to. You will probably have to unroot to apply updates, but I think there's an app in the play store to temporarily unroot the phone, or disable super user & busy box? Your correct on using TB to remove bloat, and there's a thread somewhere in general about what's safe to remove, and it's also best to make a back up before you remove anything just in case. There are guides in the development section on how to root, or for a video tutorial go to galaxys3root.com. It's a site created by user zedomax where he makes videos on how to root & install custom roms/reviews that can be very helpful to less advanced users. I hope I've helped, and if you have any questions, issues, or are just looking for an opinion on something feel free to PM me and if I can't help you I'll point you to someone that can! Best of luck, and be careful!

Is there a way to backup my KitKat ROM officially? (no root)

Hi all,
Thread title is pretty self-explanatory.
I am still running KitKat 4.4.4 on my Z1C, and have not tried the 5.1 update ever, but I am wanting to give it a go (I tried 5.0 in May last year and was not satisfied so went back to KitKat but had to flash a ROM and start from scratch)
I'd like to be able to backup my KitKat ROM as it is now, with all my apps and configuration, etc etc. But how can I do this without root? I don't want to root my phone as I have some apps which detect root and will not work without it. Is there a "recovery" mode I can enter into without root, and if so how do I enter it?
Alternatively, is there an easy way I can:
* Root my Z1C
* Backup the KitKat ROM through Recovery
* Unroot
* Install the Lollipop 5.1 update?
Any help would be great.
Thanks

alex_ncfc said:
Hi all,
Thread title is pretty self-explanatory.
I am still running KitKat 4.4.4 on my Z1C, and have not tried the 5.1 update ever, but I am wanting to give it a go (I tried 5.0 in May last year and was not satisfied so went back to KitKat but had to flash a ROM and start from scratch)
I'd like to be able to backup my KitKat ROM as it is now, with all my apps and configuration, etc etc. But how can I do this without root? I don't want to root my phone as I have some apps which detect root and will not work without it. Is there a "recovery" mode I can enter into without root, and if so how do I enter it?
Alternatively, is there an easy way I can:
* Root my Z1C
* Backup the KitKat ROM through Recovery
* Unroot
* Install the Lollipop 5.1 update?
Any help would be great.
Thanks
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No expert, but AFAIK you can't have recovery without root. You could backup with Google app, and restore when you update. That's probably your best bet officially. Anyway, backing up in recovery will make a backup of your whole system, which will flash you right back to KK when you restore, unless you choose to restore data only, in which case you might as well just use Google backup, (and anyway you might get compatibility issues with app data). If you want to save your current image to go back to in case you don't like the update, just root, backup in recovery, and, when you restore it, you can unroot to use your anti-root apps again.

levone1 said:
No expert, but AFAIK you can't have recovery without root. You could backup with Google app, and restore when you update. That's probably your best bet officially. Anyway, backing up in recovery will make a backup of your whole system, which will flash you right back to KK when you restore, unless you choose to restore data only, in which case you might as well just use Google backup, (and anyway you might get compatibility issues with app data). If you want to save your current image to go back to in case you don't like the update, just root, backup in recovery, and, when you restore it, you can unroot to use your anti-root apps again.
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Thanks very much for your fast response
I would like to be able to make a backup of my whole system image in recovery (I have experience of this backup and restoring of images on my old X10 phone) The problem is I don't know which is the best method to go about rooting, but unrooting is something that sounds even more complex. Would it be easy to do on this phone?
Thanks

alex_ncfc said:
Thanks very much for your fast response
I would like to be able to make a backup of my whole system image in recovery (I have experience of this backup and restoring of images on my old X10 phone) The problem is I don't know which is the best method to go about rooting, but unrooting is something that sounds even more complex. Would it be easy to do on this phone?
Thanks
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On Kk I'm pretty sure Doomlord's rootkit works. Couldn't be easier. Search the forums here.
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alex_ncfc said:
Thanks very much for your fast response
I would like to be able to make a backup of my whole system image in recovery (I have experience of this backup and restoring of images on my old X10 phone) The problem is I don't know which is the best method to go about rooting, but unrooting is something that sounds even more complex. Would it be easy to do on this phone?
Thanks
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Try this - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2784900 also - http://d-h.st/f4p

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On Kk I'm pretty sure Doomlord's rootkit works. Couldn't be easier. Search the forums here.
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Try this - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2784900 also - http://d-h.st/f4p
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Thank you very much for your response.
I see from the link you sent that it seems pretty straightforward to root the phone, but how do I go about reversing the process once I have backed up my current KK ROM configuration??
Also I posted something similar on the official Sony forums - one of the mods replied saying that if I root I will "have to unlock the bootloader, which will remove the DRM keys, and unless you back them up, Sony apps and services won't work and the camera will be affected, same as xreality, etc." Is this the case??
Thanks

alex_ncfc said:
Thank you very much for your response.
I see from the link you sent that it seems pretty straightforward to root the phone, but how do I go about reversing the process once I have backed up my current KK ROM configuration??
Also I posted something similar on the official Sony forums - one of the mods replied saying that if I root I will "have to unlock the bootloader, which will remove the DRM keys, and unless you back them up, Sony apps and services won't work and the camera will be affected, same as xreality, etc." Is this the case??
Thanks
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Not sure what they're getting at. You definitely don't have to unlock the bl if you don't want to. If you want to use a custom kernel or aosp / cm you would need to, and you will lose drm keys etc, but there are backup and restore options for that too. I've never unrooted, but I think it's just a 1-click thing. The root tools I linked probably have the option built in, and I've seen it on Flashtool options also.

There were some applications that could hide root state from the certain apps that didn't work with root. I don't remember exactly the name of the apps because I never needed them but you can try searching.
Edit: Here's an xposed module for example http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/mod-rootcloak-completely-hide-root-t2574647

IMAO without root you will not see part of system, it is protection against stupidity of users.
Surely root may be reverted, it is the most simple thing under the Sun.
For myself I'd rename su to other name and probably it would be enough while I'd have root till hands at any moment.
BTW:
Seeing how much crap they nowadays load into phone I don't imagine to have my phone not rooted.
Unlocking BL is different story. That opens whole lot of new area, sometimes risky, too.