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Hey guys I have been doing quite a bit of searching through the forums and still have a couple questions about custom roms and rooting. Forgive the noobness but the droid incredible is my first android device and I only recently got it.
1. My first question is what is the simplest way (rom + root I assume) to get a stock version of android on my incredible? Also what rom would you recommend (I have seen a pretty big list but know nothing about them)?
2. What is the difference, if any, between a kernel and a rom? Ive seen both words used a lot and have seen kernels that are stock and roms that are as well. Which would I use between the two?
I know these questions may be dumb but I have been searching for a couple days and have gone through hundreds of threads trying to find the definitive answer (there were some benefits though, I use launcher pro and the droid x's keyboard now) any help would be appreciated.

1. You are right in assuming that the quickest (and only) way to get a stock version of Android on your phone is to root your phone and install a custom recovery that will allow you to flash a rom. It is not really possible for me to recommend a rom because rom's are all about personal preference and my preference may be different from yours. That being said, if you are interested in stock Android, check out Cyanogenmod. The biggest thing right now is that for the Incredible, Cyanogenmod is the only true stock Android that is compiled from AOSP (Android Open Source Project) however it is still in its early stages for our device, so it's still buggy. The other roms are modified versions of our stock sense rom, so some of the roms are modified to have the bulkier parts of of the Sense UI removed, but it is still a Sense rom.
2. I'm not going to profess to be extremely in the know about kernels, but a kernel is the go-between for the hardware and the os/applications. If you want to learn more about kernels, you can read the wikipedia page about kernels found here. Basically what you need to know is that the rom is the operating system, so if you wanted to change the OS such as from Sense to Vanilla Android, you would flash a rom. If you wanted to change the way the system runs, such as if you want your processor to be overclocked or undervolted, you would flash a kernel.
Hope this helps.

That answered everything! Thanks for the reply and I will keep checking the forums for stock roms that seem stable!

New Android User has questions about ROMs!

I'm a new Android user and I'm using Android Revolution HD 9.4.0.
I've been looking through the 'What does your Home Page look like' Thread and I'm interested in trying out other ROMs and have some questions.
1. Is there a poll at XDA that I can't find, that shows how popular certain ROMs are?
2. Is there a general opinion that one ROM is better or more stable than another? (this is my daily phone, so it needs to work reliably)
3. If I install another ROM, can I somehow keep my settings, apps and data, by restoring from a backup, or does that not work?
4. I would like to have 4x5 menu layout on the home screen, which ROM would I need to install to get that?
5. Should I just use ARHD and be patient until Jelly Bean comes out and see what happens then?

welcomehome said:
1. Is there a poll at XDA that I can't find, that shows how popular certain ROMs are?
2. Is there a general opinion that one ROM is better or more stable than another? (this is my daily phone, so it needs to work reliably)
3. If I install another ROM, can I somehow keep my settings, apps and data, by restoring from a backup, or does that not work?
4. I would like to have 4x5 menu layout on the home screen, which ROM would I need to install to get that?
5. Should I just use ARHD and be patient until Jelly Bean comes out and see what happens then?
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1. No polls as far as I know. There are modified stock roms, source built aosp type roms and people all have their preferences. It really comes down to what kind of functions/style/performance you want.
2. Roms built on stock HTC roms tend to have the least problems or issues because they can use original drivers etc.
3. In MOST cases you can restore apps and app data but system settings and data might interfere with roms depending which kernel etc. they have.
4. You can do this with most 3rd party launchers such as Go Launcher Ex, Nova Launcher etc. No need to flash roms to be able to edit home screen layout.
5. You could yes. But if you are thinking of flashing another custom rom anyway, why not try a few of them and see for yourself what you like most. You might be surprised Plus there are Jelly Bean roms already out there.

XDA Roms are solid and stable, i'd say read and compare each roms to suit your liking and go for it! owning a HOX is half the fun until your running one of the custom roms

If you love Customizations then definitely try ViperX ROM, full of customizations
If you want JB ROM try either CM10, AOKP or Paranoid ROM{ tablet mode feature}
or try Domination ROMwith all features of AOKP, CM10 & Paranoid.

General questions about rom's

Hey guys, another noob question. im currently on stock rom ulvh2 , im want to get a custom rom, but i can find for differet stocks like uvlg and stuff like that, the problem is that i cant find anywhere to download this stock rom e,g uvlg to flash on it the room, my question is does the custom rom comes with the stock rom already? it surely takes alot of space ~500mb (the wicked one).
Also what is the meaning of "ADT" and the word "Hybrid" i speaking about the wicked rom.
Final questions is what is the difference between the Tmobile original development thread and the tmobile development thread.
Im really trying to understand the stuff going here- not easy i have to say
thanks for the help!

modesty1 said:
Hey guys, another noob question. im currently on stock rom ulvh2 , im want to get a custom rom, but i can find for differet stocks like uvlg and stuff like that, the problem is that i cant find anywhere to download this stock rom e,g uvlg to flash on it the room, my question is does the custom rom comes with the stock rom already? it surely takes alot of space ~500mb (the wicked one).
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Custom ROMs like the ones you are talking about are stock with modifications, so yes, it is the "full" package.
Also what is the meaning of "ADT" and the word "Hybrid" i speaking about the wicked rom.
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I'm new to Android (came from BlackBerry), but hybrid means exactly what you would think. It's a cross between multiple packages. Some good things taken from each one.
Android Development Tools (ADT) is a plugin for the Eclipse IDE that is designed to give you a powerful, integrated environment in which to build Android applications.
ADT extends the capabilities of Eclipse to let you quickly set up new Android projects, create an application UI, add packages based on the Android Framework API, debug your applications using the Android SDK tools, and even export signed (or unsigned) .apk files in order to distribute your application.
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Final questions is what is the difference between the Tmobile original development thread and the tmobile development thread.
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Development: not original works. Modified stock roms, modems, etc.
Original Development: original works. CyanogenMod, MIUI, the AOKP builds, etc.

[Q] Do I understand different kinds of ROMs?

I think I'm getting all this stuff straight, but sometimes it seems like the more I read the more confused I get.
I know I could just try it out and see, but before I spend 2 hours getting dirty looks from my gf because I have my face buried in the phone, I would like to know I'm on the right track.
ROMs found in the "Original Android Developement" forum:
CM9/10 - these are experimental nightly builds, probably have bugs and probably not the best choice for a daily ROM
ROMs that say they are based on CM9/10/AOKP/MIUI/AOSP - these are more stable ROMs with parts cherry-picked from CM9/10/AOKP sources and are more likely to be suitable for daily use
I can use themes that say "a custom ROM like CyanogenMOD needed" (quote taken from the description of "Arctic Green" on the play store, I think this ROM will be refreshing, like a cool breeze on my balls) and they will have a theme chooser in settings
I need to flash GApps (If I want them)
I can still run another launcher, like Go or APEX
EDIT ADDITION: I still use stock radio/modem/firmware/AIO zips
ROMs found in the "Android Developement" forum:
With TW or without, Odexed or Deodexed these are basically modified stock (samsung based?) ROMs with no copyright issues which is why there is no need for a seperate GApps zip
I can (usually) only use themes and mods specifically made for the ROM I'm using (I understand that sometimes there are exceptions, lika a blazer theme might work on FreeGS3 and vice-cersa)
I can't use themes or mods that say "a custom ROM like CyanogenMOD needed"
Do I understand the differences? Any additions/clarifications are definately appreciated.

jmdatcs said:
I think I'm getting all this stuff straight, but sometimes it seems like the more I read the more confused I get.
I know I could just try it out and see, but before I spend 2 hours getting dirty looks from my gf because I have my face buried in the phone, I would like to know I'm on the right track.
ROMs found in the "Original Android Developement" forum:
CM9/10 - these are experimental nightly builds, probably have bugs and probably not the best choice for a daily ROM
ROMs that say they are based on CM9/10/AOKP/MIUI/AOSP - these are more stable ROMs with parts cherry-picked from CM9/10/AOKP sources and are more likely to be suitable for daily use
I can use themes that say "a custom ROM like CyanogenMOD needed" (quote taken from the description of "Arctic Green" on the play store, I think this ROM will be refreshing, like a cool breeze on my balls) and they will have a theme chooser in settings
I need to flash GApps (If I want them)
I can still run another launcher, like Go or APEX
EDIT ADDITION: I still use stock radio/modem/firmware/AIO zips
ROMs found in the "Android Developement" forum:
With TW or without, Odexed or Deodexed these are basically modified stock (samsung based?) ROMs with no copyright issues which is why there is no need for a seperate GApps zip
I can (usually) only use themes and mods specifically made for the ROM I'm using (I understand that sometimes there are exceptions, lika a blazer theme might work on FreeGS3 and vice-cersa)
I can't use themes or mods that say "a custom ROM like CyanogenMOD needed"
Do I understand the differences? Any additions/clarifications are definately appreciated.
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CM9 and 10 are currently in nightly stage, but that's not permanent. There will be a final, stable version of CM10 when all the bugs are squashed. As for whether they'll be good for your daily ROM, it depends on your needs. Most things in CM10 work fine as it is, but some things may be broken. Whether the broken stuff actually affects you depends on what you need your phone to do.
ROMs based on CM10 are usually not any less buggy. In fact, they will include any CM10 bugs plus whatever creeps in via the additional code, so they will most likely be more buggy than CM10.
Yes, you should be able to use the Play Store themes in Theme Chooser. Yes, you need to flash Gapps. Yes, you can use whichever launcher you like. Yes, you use the stock radio (not sure what you mean by all-in-one zips).
The ROMs in the normal development section are based on the stock OEM ROM or they are ports from other phones/ROMs. They usually don't require Gapps, not because of copyright issues, but because they are based on the stock ROM. The themes may be compatible across Touchwiz ROMs based on the same firmware, but check the theme's thread first. CM and other AOSP themes/mods are NOT compatible with Touchwiz ROMs.
I hope this clears up some things.

EndlessDissent said:
I hope this clears up some things.
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It does, thank you.
I will be changing the OP to reflect your response and any additional info posted here later tonight so, hopefully, this will be a useful thread for other noobs.

Few questions about possible mods and custom ROMs

Hi Guys,
Just wanting a few questions answered if possible for when I get my Pixel 2 XL. I do not want to root the device.
On a custom ROM (Such as LineageOS flashed with GAPPS) , will the Google Camera app work fully as expected with HDR+, as on stock? If not, i'll probably want to keep stock.
When ROM's become available - How can I identify the ROM's that are stock with additional features, or ROM's built from AOSP - I've seen "AOSP" in thread titles, but what am I looking for ROM's built from stock? Hope this makes sense.
Aside from using an app, do you think a Mod can be made for stock that can enable Scrolling Screenshots? Such as; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34DQVZx74TE

Anyone?

Check the 6P page and open some of the ROM threads. They list all of the features. If you've never used any of the custom ROMs before give it a try. If you don't like anything just try another or flash stock image. I'm sure once you find one you like though, it will become a necessity. Pixel stock android is smooth, but the ROMs add to the experience IMO, not take away.

cedargreen said:
Check the 6P page and open some of the ROM threads. They list all of the features. If you've never used any of the custom ROMs before give it a try. If you don't like anything just try another or flash stock image. I'm sure once you find one you like though, it will become a necessity. Pixel stock android is smooth, but the ROMs add to the experience IMO, not take away.
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I already have. I've flashed Lineage OS and Paranoid Android. I believe they are both AOSP though. Can you provide me with a thread to a ROM that is stock based, and advise what you seen to confirm this?

@Nightmare79 , did you manage to get portrait mode working for the back camera on AOSP/Lineage Roms ?

Nightmare79 said:
... Can you provide me with a thread to a ROM that is stock based...
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If it is not AOSP based (or based on rom that is AOSP based), it should be stock based