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So i just sold my old blackberry curve and along with it the wall charger i used for my MT4g
so i looked around my house for another corded wall charger as the plug-usb cable combo just doesnt work for me as the cord is way too short for my needs
well i found an older Moto wall charge PN# SPN5334A...it has the same basic specs are the mytouch plug part with the Input: 100-240~200mA 50-60Hz...but the output is 5v 550mA instead of the mytouch plug being 5v 1A
so the question is...will the different of almost a half an amp cause any serious issues other than maybe a slower charge? any potential for damage to the battery or phone or even the charger?
well any help would be great...thanks
No it wont hurt the phone, only way to damage it is to over amp, as in say it was 2.5 amps but however it will slow the charge down I recommened going to a a store that sells computer stuff and picking up a usb extension cord I got a 3 foot on mine and dont see any draw backs as I do with a under amped charger
f1vel66a said:
No it wont hurt the phone, only way to damage it is to over amp, as in say it was 2.5 amps but however it will slow the charge down I recommened going to a a store that sells computer stuff and picking up a usb extension cord I got a 3 foot on mine and dont see any draw backs as I do with a under amped charger
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yeah i never really considered extending the usb cable...i actually have a 6 ft extension cable sitting in my drawer
but i appreciate the info
No problem hope it helped
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f1vel66a said:
No it wont hurt the phone, only way to damage it is to over amp, as in say it was 2.5 amps but however it will slow the charge down I recommened going to a a store that sells computer stuff and picking up a usb extension cord I got a 3 foot on mine and dont see any draw backs as I do with a under amped charger
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What's over amp? If the voltage is correct, the higher the amperage the more efficient it(charger) is, as the phone will draw as much as it needs to charge, in this case around 1amp according the factory charger.
Matching voltage is the important part. Too low of amperage will result in slower charge or no charge when using and plugged in at the same time.
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What's over amp? If the voltage is correct, the higher the amperage the more efficient it(charger) is, as the phone will draw as much as it needs to charge, in this case around 1amp according the factory charger.
Matching voltage is the important part. Too low of amperage will result in slower charge or no charge when using and plugged in at the same time.
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All voltage is the force pushing the amps through. Amps is the actual energy. Resistance is a factor too. Check the Watts to see that they match. But don't over amp it as well
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I meant there is no such thing as over amp. Amprage rating is for how stout the power supply is. A 5v/2amp supply can charge 2 of these phone with out issues. 500mA will charge but slow. Think of car batteries they are all 12v and the "long lasting" or "performance " ones will have better amp ratings.
Wattage is simply volt x amp, in this case here, volt is the constant.
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I meant there is no such thing as over amp. Amprage rating is for how stout the power supply is. A 5v/2amp supply can charge 2 of these phone with out issues. 500mA will charge but slow. Think of car batteries they are all 12v and the "long lasting" or "performance " ones will have better amp ratings.
Wattage is simply volt x amp, in this case here, volt is the constant.
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If by over amp, you mean over charge? Too much amperage causes a lot of problems, just like too much voltage can cause a lot of priblems
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I meant there is no such thing as over amp. Amprage rating is for how stout the power supply is. A 5v/2amp supply can charge 2 of these phone with out issues. 500mA will charge but slow. Think of car batteries they are all 12v and the "long lasting" or "performance " ones will have better amp ratings.
Wattage is simply volt x amp, in this case here, volt is the constant.
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I've seen phone batterys blow from to much amps... You can go + .5 amps max on a cell phone before things start to go wrong. And that isnt recommended for to long unless you want battery issues
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So did it happen with a 5volt output charger or something higher? I have seen 8v mini usb charger from Motorola around, that will blow out your HTC battery.
Also can happen if there is a problem with the phones charging circuit, not from a 5v charger with a high amperage rating. Now with a higher amp rating, and your phone has issues, the more amps is available, the bigger "battery blow" you can achieve.
Do I recommend more than 5v/1amp? not really, but can you use a 5v/2amp charger or a 5v/4amp charger if it exists? Yes. Is 1amp safer? kinda.
How do I know this? it was an amperage question I answered wrong at my every 1st job interview 11 years ago.
These guys put it in better words than I do.
sivankls said:
DOESN'T MATTER ..if u know the basic Ohms Law..its the max capacity of the charger.(or any source) the current regulating circuits will take care of the real charging current fed to the battery
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tkteun said:
I charge my phone on my computers USB connection all the time, all computers have a maximum of 500mA USB current.
Amps are pulled from the charger, not pushed to the phone.
Voltages are pushed to the phone, not pulled from the charger.
If the phone draws too much current from the charger, the voltage drops to a point where the maximum power (P (Watt) = U (Voltage) * I (Amps)) of the charger isn't exceeded.
According to the USB specification you need at least 200mA with 500mA recommended +5VDC.
More is never a problem, you could even use a 50A power supply without breaking your phone. Practically spoken: I wouldn't do that.
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Hi,
I've lost my charger, and I don't know if I can charge it with a charger with 5v - 1A or not, what I do know is that charging with USB is 5v - 500mA.
What's the power of the SE Arc original charger?
On the charger it says output 5V 1A
Is that what your looking for
It's Exactelly what I'm looking for thank you very much
The original SE charger for the arc is the GreenHeart charger EP800. It has got an output of 5V; 850mA.
As far as I know, there's no SE charger with an output of 1A. I've seen chargers with 500mA, 700mA and the 850mA.
My charger got fried during a power surge while holidaying in India so after asking around on the forum, I bought a Nokia AC-10N charger with an output of 5V, 1200mA. I've been using it without any problems. Pretty happy with it. Charges the phone much faster.
Thank you, that helps very much, but I heared charging the phone with higher voltage or higher Amperage can charge it faster, but it lowers the battery life on the long terme, it's appreciated to charge it with lower power in order to preserve battery life
MehdiArc said:
Thank you, that helps very much, but I heared charging the phone with higher voltage or higher Amperage can charge it faster, but it lowers the battery life on the long terme, it's appreciated to charge it with lower power in order to preserve battery life
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Totally true on all counts. You can really use ANY usb charger to charge your Arc, but the higher the mA the faster it will charge. And the higher the mA, the less overall life your battery will have. If it's normally supposed to be good for 5000 recharges, it might drop to 4000 recharges (just numbers pulled out of thin air).
The "Normal" standard for USB power is 0.5A (or 500mA). The iPad for example uses 1.0A, or twice as much as standard. Now in the iPad's case, it refuses to charge with anything less. I don't know if that's true for the Arc or not...if so, and the SE charger is rated at 850mA, then that's probably as low as you'd want to go just to be on the safe side.
Personally, I'm willing to use the iPad's charger and charge a bit faster for a bit lower useful battery lifetime. A new battery I can buy....time spent waiting for my phone to be charged I can't get back
The amperage rating on a charger defines the maximum current the charger is capable of supplying. A 1A charger doesnt force 1A down the throat of whatever's connected to it, if you connect something can only manage to pull a maximum of 500mA then it will only get 500mA.
Consumer power supplies are generally constant voltage. E.g. a 5V charger will supply 5V to anything connected to it. The amount of current that the device will draw at 5V is the amount it was designed to draw, up to the limit that the charger can supply. If the charger cant supply enough, generally you just get slower charging (though some poorly designed devices will just refuse to charge at all). What *will* tend to destroy your device quickly is a voltage mismatch, e.g. connecting a 5V phone to a 12V charger.
You can get constant current power supplies. These ramp up the voltage in order to force the required current out regardless of what's attached to it (even if that's a human being). They are scary.
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The amperage rating on a charger defines the maximum current the charger is capable of supplying. A 1A charger doesnt force 1A down the throat of whatever's connected to it, if you connect something can only manage to pull a maximum of 500mA then it will only get 500mA.
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Exactelly what I was thinking, thanks.
Now I think I can charge my Arc with 1A without any problem, since it's gonna take only 850 mA from it
I've tried to find the maximum current that the nexus will draw, without any luck.
some people have said that the galaxy s 2 draws a max of 1A because the phone itself says 1A, but thats wrong, as it says 1A on 3.7v, clearly talking about the input the phone draws from the battery... not the charging circuit... other people say the galaxy s2 limits current to 650mA for heat/safety reasons... I have no reason to believe or disbelieve this.
Getting back to my question, what's the max current that the charging circuit will take, I know the AC/DC adapter that came with my gsm gnexus is 1A/5V, but that may be more than enough, or not as much as the nexus could handle.
I ask because there are many 5v ac/dc converters that output more than 1A, some over 2A... would the nexus charge faster with this much current, and would it be good/bad for the battery?
this could be easily tested if someone has access to an EE LAB, giving the phone 5v, and seeing how much current it takes... would need a DC volt supply capable of >10W (5v/2A).
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I've tried to find the maximum current that the nexus will draw, without any luck.
some people have said that the galaxy s 2 draws a max of 1A because the phone itself says 1A, but thats wrong, as it says 1A on 3.7v, clearly talking about the input the phone draws from the battery... not the charging circuit... other people say the galaxy s2 limits current to 650mA for heat/safety reasons... I have no reason to believe or disbelieve this.
Getting back to my question, what's the max current that the charging circuit will take, I know the AC/DC adapter that came with my gsm gnexus is 1A/5V, but that may be more than enough, or not as much as the nexus could handle.
I ask because there are many 5v ac/dc converters that output more than 1A, some over 2A... would the nexus charge faster with this much current, and would it be good/bad for the battery?
this could be easily tested if someone has access to an EE LAB, giving the phone 5v, and seeing how much current it takes... would need a DC volt supply capable of >10W (5v/2A).
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I dont know the answer to your question but my nexus eats amperage like it is going out of style. I can charge from almost empty to full in about 90 minutes.
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I dont know the answer to your question but my nexus eats amperage like it is going out of style. I can charge from almost empty to full in about 90 minutes.
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Given the battery is 1850 mAh you are drawing a minimum of 1.85Ah/1.5h = 1.233 amps. Since your battery wasn't completely dead, you are drawing slighlty more.
But was the limit the Galaxy Nexus, or the charger? Also, if one were to use navigation or other power hog while in the car, the current draw should be greater without only some of that going to charge the battery.
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Given the battery is 1850 mAh you are drawing a minimum of 1.85Ah/1.5h = 1.233 amps. Since your battery wasn't completely dead, you are drawing slighlty more.
But was the limit the Galaxy Nexus, or the charger? Also, if one were to use navigation or other power hog while in the car, the current draw should be greater without only some of that going to charge the battery.
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if he has the GSM galaxy nexus, the battery is 1750 mah, and assuming his device was off or idle during this time, then the current you calculate is not a minimum, it's a maximum... if the battery was half full to start, then 90 minutes were spent charging half of the capacity, so the current was actually half of the amount you calculated.
to answer this question someone needs a nearly empty battery in a galaxy nexus, with the device off (just to be sure we are only measuring charging current, although most likely it is circuit limited, and not battery limited, so it probably wouldn't matter)...
Then they should try charging it with a 5V DC power source with unlimited current, with a way to monitor the current.
most charging circuits for these type of batteries are current limited, then voltage limited, so the battery must be close to empty so we are sure we are monitoring max current... the latter part of the charge is voltage limited and in the end is very small amounts of current.
I am getting a new usb 2.0 hub soon. I didnt know there was a bc 1.1 compliant device standard, aka battery charging 1.1, that allows charging at 1.5amps. But i think this applies to powered hubs, since usb 2.0 technically only allows 500ma, and of course charging from a computer will only allow 500ma. Samsung recent smartphones allow this type of charging, so im sure nexus can utilize it. And yes, sgs2 was limited to 650mah charging for some reason. I never followed up on if devs overcame the limitation. The sgs2 crowd turned me off from the device because of their elitist attitudes.
Crazy world, ay?
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I am getting a new usb 2.0 hub soon. I didnt know there was a bc 1.1 compliant device standard, aka battery charging 1.1, that allows charging at 1.5amps. But i think this applies to powered hubs, since usb 2.0 technically only allows 500ma, and of course charging from a computer will only allow 500ma. Samsung recent smartphones allow this type of charging, so im sure nexus can utilize it. And yes, sgs2 was limited to 650mah charging for some reason. I never followed up on if devs overcame the limitation. The sgs2 crowd turned me off from the device because of their elitist attitudes.
Crazy world, ay?
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yeah I'm trying to buy the best ac adaptor for my nexus, but finding info is difficult.. the one that came with my nexus is for europe, and is 5v/1A, but it may not be the optimal current. The market seems to have many adapters capable of 0.5A, 750mA, 850mA, 1A, and 2.1A (marketed for ipad)...
will the nexus benefit from a 2.1A ac/adapter even if it doesn't 'need' it?
The Nexus charger is rated at 1 amp. I'm using my Captivate charger at work, which is rated at .7 amps. I'm thinking just because the Nexus charger is rated at 1 amp, that doesn't meant the Nexus is actually drawing that much power. Anyway, the Captivate charger I have seems to work fine.
Any issues here?
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yeah I'm trying to buy the best ac adaptor for my nexus, but finding info is difficult.. the one that came with my nexus is for europe, and is 5v/1A, but it may not be the optimal current. The market seems to have many adapters capable of 0.5A, 750mA, 850mA, 1A, and 2.1A (marketed for ipad)...
will the nexus benefit from a 2.1A ac/adapter even if it doesn't 'need' it?
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Just get a 1amp charger. It is plenty, on the safe side and fast fast fast for the nexus. With a 1a Motorola charger I have it charges 1% a minute when I am not using phone. I got that powered hub yesterday. Charging the nexus off of it was about 1.5% a minute and I didn't see battery go above 33 degrees Celsius.
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let me clarify that im not worried about what will "work" im looking for what's the ideal charger...
yes 0.7A will charge it, so will 1A, but the actual max current draw is still what I'm asking.
http://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyNexus/comments/nvgt4/chargers_3000ma_worth_the_risk/c3cb636
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/nystt/galaxy_nexus_power_analysis_why_chargers_cant/
I measured the charging current at just less than 0.5A with the phone on and off. I too was thinking that a higher capacity charger would speed charging.
1 amp chargers are more than adequate. I did this check with the battery at 80%.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyNexus/comments/nvgt4/chargers_3000ma_worth_the_risk/c3cb636
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/nystt/galaxy_nexus_power_analysis_why_chargers_cant/
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Thanks for these threads. I was curious, too, if it does any good or harm to my GN if I plug it into the 2.1A plug of my power bank.
not that i care if i break too but if there some way where i can use my 2.1 amp wall charger to fast charge my phone and use 2.1 amps rather than 1 a
My S3 came with a 1Ah charger. My Fascinate came with a 700mAh charger. Is it safe to charge my S3 on a 2Ah charger?
Thanks!
Yes. The charging rate is actually limited by the phone so the battery will not be damaged.
I use 2.1 amp chargers at home and in my car. I don't think I have ever seen a charge rate faster than 1.3 amps. It is slightly faster than the stock charger, so at least that's something.
It won't make any difference at all. That's a very common misconception about charger amperage (amp, for short) ratings:
The charger is rated to provide "up to" a certain amperage (current), but doesn't push that amperage to the phone. Rather, the phone draws however much amperage it wants. A problem can exist if the phone pulls more amperage than the charger is rated to supply. (For example, pulling 1 amp from a netbook USB port can burn out the USB port.)
This is why the phone kernel, by default, only pulls <500 milliamps from an unrecognized charger... That's a "safe" amount for pretty much anything USB.
Chances are that the phone will only pull 450 to 500 milliamps from your 2 amp (2000 milliamp) charger unless you are using a custom kernel that pushes it higher (and then I don't think the charging circuitry in the in phone will ever pull more than 950 milliamps.)
Take care
Gary
i calcualted that my 2.1 car charger charges my phone 1% every two mins versus my stock charger at home that charges 1% every four mins so technically twiuce as fast
That's why it's recommended that you only use the charger that came with your phone. I know that's not always possible, but that's what's said.
So, I have powerbank and I have 2 ways of charging: 1A and 2.1A. which one to use when charging my note 2?
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Depends on the cable you'd use. Samsung cable will go near 2amp, generic ones do about 1 amp
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Depends on the cable you'd use. Samsung cable will go near 2amp, generic ones do about 1 amp
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I have samsung cable.. So is it smart to charge via 2.1 A ? Can it do some damage on the phone ?
I have a Momax external battery and have charged the phone with the 2.1A port. It didn't heat up, it didn't have any problems. I was planning on measuring the exact amperage that comes out of the samsung charger and the momax battery (iPower Pro), but I didn't get around to it, because I suspect the difference is actually smaller. There are many people who used more powerful chargers to charge their phones faster, and the only thing that degraded was the battery lifespan, but the difference in those cases was upwards of 0.5A between the original and the new charger. I find the 0.1A to be a small difference and I have no problem using the 2.1A port on the iPower.
So to answer your question, no, it won't damage your phone. Theoretically it damages your phone's battery, but it degrades anyway due to charging cycles, so you won't notice any damage caused by the extra 0.1A unless you plan on still using the note 2 10 years from now.
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I have a Momax external battery and have charged the phone with the 2.1A port. It didn't heat up, it didn't have any problems. I was planning on measuring the exact amperage that comes out of the samsung charger and the momax battery (iPower Pro), but I didn't get around to it, because I suspect the difference is actually smaller. There are many people who used more powerful chargers to charge their phones faster, and the only thing that degraded was the battery lifespan, but the difference in those cases was upwards of 0.5A between the original and the new charger. I find the 0.1A to be a small difference and I have no problem using the 2.1A port on the iPower.
So to answer your question, no, it won't damage your phone. Theoretically it damages your phone's battery, but it degrades anyway due to charging cycles, so you won't notice any damage caused by the extra 0.1A unless you plan on still using the note 2 10 years from now.
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Thanks for reply mate ! I was thinking the same, but i needed some sort of confirmation tho
Use the 2.1A one.
The phone should only draw 2A from it anyway, that just means the port is capable of supplying 2.1A.
Using the 1A port will just charge your phone slowly, the 2.1A port should charge it as quick as the official charger, depending on which cable you use.
It is a matter of supply and demand. All USB devices can safely be plugged into any USB charger. Given an unlimited amount of current available from the charger, each device will still only draw only as much current as it is designed to draw. If the charger is rated 2.1 Amps or 5 Amps or 10 Amps, a 1.5 Amp device will still only draw 1.5 Amps. The charge rate will be at maximum Think of it like your house wiring. The circuit may have a 20 Amp circuit breaker in the basement but we plug in 40 Watt bulbs and 100 Watt bulbs and TVs and electric shavers that all draw different amounts of current. The 100 Watt bulb uses less than an amp but is unharmed being plugged into a 20 Amp receptacle (charger). Now we come to the flip side. If the charger Is rated lower than the device it just charges slower than it would if the charger could supply at least as much as the device uses. To go back to our example, the 1.5 Amp device plugged into a 1 Amp charger will take longer to charge that it would with a charger rated 1.5 Amps or higher. My analogy has one hole. If the stuff plugged into the house receptacles exceeds 20 Amps the circuit breaker pops. This will not happen with USB chargers as they limit the current and will not try to supply more than they are rated for. Stick to chargers rated as high as the one that came with your device or higher and you will be fine