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WCDMA Desire

I have a desire in Korea running on a WCDMA sim chip on the SK Telecom network. I'm currently in Canada for a while and would like to not have to use roaming. Is it possible to unlock this phone? Are there android 2.2 roms for this phone? If I do this will it disrupt my service with SKT at all? Korea does things a little differently.

I'd head over to the dev forum where you can find a load of unofficial Froyo ROMs.
You can unlock by either paying for an unlock code online and popping that in when using another SIM or flashing the radio which will require root if I'm correct.

Thanks. Whenever I see posts about the desire its always about gsm phones and my sim says its wcdma. Will these roms work?

WCMDA *is* GSM. More correctly WCDMA is a part of the technology used by most GSM networks to implement 3G.
Regard,
Dave

You're saying that CDMA is the same as GSM? Huh?

cliff_dangers said:
You're saying that CDMA is the same as GSM? Huh?
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WCDMA and CDMA are not related and completley different.

Dude, you need to go and Google the difference between CDMA and WCDMA or 3G for everyone else out there. Your WCDMA phone is nothing special over the other phones out there
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WCDMA uses the same system as gsm (uses interchangeable sim cards) but is used on 3g networks running hsdpa because it was found that the old system (tdma) could not cope with the exponential growth of mobile phones and the fact they will consume more of the network's resources. All WCDMA phones are also equipped with old style gsm radio for when there's no 3g coverage. One worry about roaming to north America is that WCDMA uses different frequencies than the rest of the planet but for straightforward phoning and texting and edge you should fine since the 2g bit of the phone is quad band.
Source: cloudy memories from communications technology lessons, please correct me if wrong.
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huwwatkins said:
WCDMA and CDMA are not related and completley different.
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Not exactly true! They are very closely related technologies, but the actual implementations are incompatible.
Regards,
Dave

[Q] GSM or CDMA Desire?

Hi all, Firstly iv got a O2 UK branded desire. Iv already rooted it and im now running leedriod2.2 but my problem is I wish to also install the psfMod But im confused at which file I need to download, as the titlle suggests I need to know if its GSM or CDMA or how can I find this out. Thanks in advance.

suprvibes said:
Hi all, Firstly iv got a O2 UK branded desire. Iv already rooted it and im now running leedriod2.2 but my problem is I wish to also install the psfMod But im confused at which file I need to download, as the titlle suggests I need to know if its GSM or CDMA or how can I find this out. Thanks in advance.
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CDMA has no SIM, GSM does. Your phone is GSM.

Oh so thats the difference lol, I feel silly now. thanks for the reply.

Kalavere said:
CDMA has no SIM, GSM does. Your phone is GSM.
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Im almost certain this is wrong.
Its to do with the type of network you operator uses.
Can be found on the HBOOT Screen.
Bravo = GSM
Bravoc = CDMA

Aldasa said:
Im almost certain this is wrong.
Its to do with the type of network you operator uses.
Can be found on the HBOOT Screen.
Bravo = GSM
Bravoc = CDMA
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Well yes, it's down to the cellular network used, codecs used to transmit the data, different frequency and network structure. But in the most absolute laymans terms, GSM has a removable SIM card and CDMA doesn't.
He wanted to know what file to download for his Desire, not a comparative on the different standards adoped by each technology. So I gave him the most basic answer so he could go ahead and install the program to his phone, makes sense don't you think?

Kalavere said:
Well yes, it's down to the cellular network used, codecs used to transmit the data, different frequency and network structure. But in the most absolute laymans terms, GSM has a removable SIM card and CDMA doesn't.
He wanted to know what file to download for his Desire, not a comparative on the different standards adoped by each technology. So I gave him the most basic answer so he could go ahead and install the program to his phone, makes sense don't you think?
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well i have to give u right the CDMA is only operating in
2G Network CDMA 800 / 1900
3G Network CDMA2000
GSM in
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100
4G in
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
here is a little about it
In cellular service there are two main competing network technologies: Global System for Mobile Communications (GSM) and Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA). Cellular carriers including Sprint PCS, Cingular Wireless, Verizon and T-Mobile use one or the other. Understanding the difference between GSM and CDMA will allow you to choose a carrier that uses the preferable network technology for your needs.
The GSM Association is an international organization founded in 1987, dedicated to providing, developing, and overseeing the worldwide wireless standard of GSM. CDMA, a proprietary standard designed by Qualcomm in the United States, has been the dominant network standard for North America and parts of Asia. However, GSM networks continue to make inroads in the United States, as CDMA networks make progress in other parts of the world. There are camps on both sides that firmly believe either GSM or CDMA architecture is superior to the other. That said, to the non-invested consumer who simply wants bottom line information to make a choice, the following considerations may be helpful.
Coverage: The most important factor is getting service in the areas you will be using your phone. Upon viewing competitors' coverage maps you may discover that only GSM or CDMA carriers offer cellular service in your area. If so, there is no decision to be made, but most people will find that they do have a choice.
Data Transfer Speed: With the advent of cellular phones doing double and triple duty as streaming video devices, podcast receivers and email devices, speed is important to those who use the phone for more than making calls. CDMA has been traditionally faster than GSM, though both technologies continue to rapidly leapfrog along this path. Both boast "3G" standards, or 3rd generation technologies
also known as CDMA2000, is CDMA's answer to the need for speed with a downstream rate of about 2 megabits per second, though some reports suggest real world speeds are closer to 300-700 kilobits per second (kbps). This is comparable to basic DSL. As of fall 2005, EVDO is in the process of being deployed. It is not available everywhere and requires a phone that is CDMA2000 ready.
GSM's answer is EDGE (Enhanced Data Rates for GSM Evolution), which boasts data rates of up to 384 kbps with real world speeds reported closer to 70-140 kbps. With added technologies still in the works that include UMTS (Universal Mobile Telephone Standard) and HSDPA (High Speed Downlink Packet Access), speeds reportedly increase to about 275—380 kbps. This technology is also known as W-CDMA, but is incompatible with CDMA networks. An EDGE-ready phone is required.
In the case of EVDO, theoretical high traffic can degrade speed and performance, while the EDGE network is more susceptible to interference. Both require being within close range of a cell to get the best speeds, while performance decreases with distance.
Subscriber Identity Module (SIM) cards: In the United States only GSM phones use SIM cards. The removable SIM card allows phones to be instantly activated, interchanged, swapped out and upgraded, all without carrier intervention. The SIM itself is tied to the network, rather than the actual phone. Phones that are card-enabled can be used with any GSM carri
The CDMA equivalent, a R-UIM card, is only available in parts of Asia but remains on the horizon for the U.S. market. CDMA carriers in the U.S. require proprietary handsets that are linked to one carrier only and are not card-enabled. To upgrade a CDMA phone, the carrier must deactivate the old phone then activate the new one. The old phone becomes useless.
Roaming: For the most part, both networks have fairly concentrated coverage in major cities and along major highways. GSM carriers, however, have roaming contracts with other GSM carriers, allowing wider coverage of more rural areas, generally speaking, often without roaming charges to the customer. CDMA networks may not cover rural areas as well as GSM carriers, and though they may contract with GSM cells for roaming in more rural areas, the charge to the customer will generally be significantly higher.
International Roaming: If you need to make calls to other countries, a GSM carrier can offer international roaming, as GSM networks dominate the world market. If you travel to other countries you can even use your GSM cell phone abroad, providing it is a quad-band phone (850/900/1800/1900 MHz). By purchasing a SIM card with minutes and a local number in the country you are visiting, you can make calls against the card to save yourself international roaming charges from your carrier back home. CDMA phones that are not card-enabled do not have this capability, however there are several countries that use CDMA networks. Check with your CDMA provider for your specific requirements.
According CDG.org, CDMA networks support over 270 million subscribers worldwide, while GSM.org tallies up their score at over 1 billion. As CDMA phones become R-UIM enabled and roaming contracts between networks improve, integration of the standards might eventually make differences all but transparent to the consumer.
The chief GSM carriers in the United States are Cingular Wireless, recently merged with AT&T Wireless, and T-Mobile USA. Major CDMA carriers are Sprint PCS, Verizon and Virgin Mobile. There are also several smaller cellular companies on both networks.

janielsen said:
well i have to give u right the CDMA is only operating in
2G Network CDMA 800 / 1900
3G Network CDMA2000
GSM in
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100
4G in
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
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I know this, I don't really care either if you'll excuse my bluntness. The question was simple enough and I gave a very simple answer.

Kalavere said:
I know this, I don't really care either if you'll excuse my bluntness. The question was simple enough and I gave a very simple answer.
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i dont excute anything
im just pointing out that u are right
an i explaine to the person ho ask fore it
what an how about GSM an CDMA
it has nothing todo whit u or ur answer

In most cases I've seen, GSM are European variants of the device and CDMA are usually US devices.
That is just from my own experience though, so I could be wrong..
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Kalavere said:
CDMA has no SIM, GSM does. Your phone is GSM.
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o yeah?? how comes mine have sim card slots?
yess the CDMAs ussualy not having sim card slots we must injection the number to the phone, but mine have the slots.
for not trying for making another thread, i also want a help from you guys here.
my phones are HTC desire ADR6275,
android ver 2.2
baseband version (also called radio ver) 2.15.00.09.88
kernel 2..6.32.21-g7a207a4
build number 2.11.573.5 CL325935
PRI version 1.70_027
i have trouble for read and access my SIM card for reading phone book and also having call from my SIM card.
is it because the radio version or the OS version or ??

When LTE dominates, will importing phones still be possible?

Importing phones is obviously possible now because tons of carriers all over the world share AT&T's GSM and UMTS/HSPA bands.
When LTE starts to become the dominant source for cell-phone signals (especially when Voice-over-LTE appears), will AT&T still share bands with the rest of the world like it does now?
In other words, will AT&T still have the advantage over Vzw and T-Mobile that early adopters of phones will be able to import them and use them months before they show up in the US? Or will the proliferation of LTE cause AT&T to suffer from the same problem from which Verizon suffers: You will ONLY be able to use phones designed specifically for the AT&T network?
I ask because right now I have AT&T and Verizon, and I have unlimited data on both. I'm going to be canceling one of them within the next week or so. Right now I actually prefer AT&T's service, and I love the fact that I can import phones that are not available in the US. But if the "importing phones" advantage of AT&T disappears, perhaps Verizon becomes the more desirable carrier for me.

You haven't read much about LTE, I guess. By conforming to the LTE standards, a multi-band LTE phone will be able to be as much of a "world phone" as a multi-band GSM phone. While there are some differences in frequency spectrums around the planet, there are many in common.
The allocated frequencies are 700 and 1700 MHz in North America; 800, 1800, 2600 MHz in Europe; 1800 and 2600 MHz in Asia; and 1800 MHz in Australia.
So, a quad-band LTE phone with frequencies of 700/1700/1800/2600 would get you coverage almost anywhere.
The end result is this: If the manufacturers want to make an LTE "world phone" just like they have in the past with GSM, they certainly can (within the laws of physics, if the antenna technologies will allow it). The same economics apply for the manufacturers, and possibly better - since there are a smaller set of frequencies with greater chance of coverage - and a greater market potential for a single design.
I suspect that with modern fractal antenna technology, this won't be a huge issue.

In North America, are the 700 and 1700 different carriers, or is it better for a phone to support both like the current att 850/1900?

¿GotJazz? said:
You haven't read much about LTE, I guess. By conforming to the LTE standards, a multi-band LTE phone will be able to be as much of a "world phone" as a multi-band GSM phone. While there are some differences in frequency spectrums around the planet, there are many in common.
The allocated frequencies are 700 and 1700 MHz in North America; 800, 1800, 2600 MHz in Europe; 1800 and 2600 MHz in Asia; and 1800 MHz in Australia.
So, a quad-band LTE phone with frequencies of 700/1700/1800/2600 would get you coverage almost anywhere.
The end result is this: If the manufacturers want to make an LTE "world phone" just like they have in the past with GSM, they certainly can (within the laws of physics, if the antenna technologies will allow it). The same economics apply for the manufacturers, and possibly better - since there are a smaller set of frequencies with greater chance of coverage - and a greater market potential for a single design.
I suspect that with modern fractal antenna technology, this won't be a huge issue.
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Thanks. That was actually pretty helpful. But for instance, it is my understanding that AT&T runs in the low-700s, and Vzw runs in the high-700s. And Vzw has tentatively stated that its LTE phones will not be compatible with AT&T's. So I guess when you say they could make a multi-band LTE phone, it would need to cover "all of" 700 MHz for it to have both AT&T and Vzw compatibility.
In any event, does this favor AT&T or Vzw for future phones? My guess would be for at least the next several years, if not decade or more, all LTE phones will have 3G radios in them as well. And those 3G radios, just like today, are going to be GSM. So I guess you could start seeing phones world phones that are both quad-band GSM and quad-band LTE, and theoretically these would work on AT&T, but not Vzw.
Am I on the right path here? Do you agree that it seems likely at least until GSM/3G completely die (if ever), most/all LTE phones will continue to have 3G radios, and this would suggest that if anything, importing international phones will still be possible on AT&T but not Vzw?

chrikenn said:
Thanks. That was actually pretty helpful. But for instance, it is my understanding that AT&T runs in the low-700s, and Vzw runs in the high-700s. And Vzw has tentatively stated that its LTE phones will not be compatible with AT&T's. So I guess when you say they could make a multi-band LTE phone, it would need to cover "all of" 700 MHz for it to have both AT&T and Vzw compatibility.
In any event, does this favor AT&T or Vzw for future phones? My guess would be for at least the next several years, if not decade or more, all LTE phones will have 3G radios in them as well. And those 3G radios, just like today, are going to be GSM. So I guess you could start seeing phones world phones that are both quad-band GSM and quad-band LTE, and theoretically these would work on AT&T, but not Vzw.
Am I on the right path here? Do you agree that it seems likely at least until GSM/3G completely die (if ever), most/all LTE phones will continue to have 3G radios, and this would suggest that if anything, importing international phones will still be possible on AT&T but not Vzw?
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Almost every LTE deployment other than VZW runs alongside an existing 3GPP (GSM) network and most all chipsets will natively support the combination. Therefore, I doubt you will see many devices without the UMTS radios. No one is turning their 3G networks off any time soon. Verizon will be one of very few sources for LTE devices WITHOUT any other GSM radios.
As for LTE frequencies, there are A LOT of them. What chipsets will support which radio combinations is still a subject of much debate. Don't expect full interop out of the box.

You can always import regardless
the only risk you face is all the different LTE radio bands that you might or might not get with certain phones
chrikenn said:
Importing phones is obviously possible now because tons of carriers all over the world share AT&T's GSM and UMTS/HSPA bands.
When LTE starts to become the dominant source for cell-phone signals (especially when Voice-over-LTE appears), will AT&T still share bands with the rest of the world like it does now?
In other words, will AT&T still have the advantage over Vzw and T-Mobile that early adopters of phones will be able to import them and use them months before they show up in the US? Or will the proliferation of LTE cause AT&T to suffer from the same problem from which Verizon suffers: You will ONLY be able to use phones designed specifically for the AT&T network?
I ask because right now I have AT&T and Verizon, and I have unlimited data on both. I'm going to be canceling one of them within the next week or so. Right now I actually prefer AT&T's service, and I love the fact that I can import phones that are not available in the US. But if the "importing phones" advantage of AT&T disappears, perhaps Verizon becomes the more desirable carrier for me.
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Does the Galaxy Nexus LTE version also support the Penta-Band GSM bands for international travel?
Verizon version = GSM + LTE?
Sorry I'm a noob at Verizon's ways.

player911 said:
Does the Galaxy Nexus LTE version also support the Penta-Band GSM bands for international travel?
Verizon version = GSM + LTE?
Sorry I'm a noob at Verizon's ways.
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Don't think so. Verizon version = CDMA + LTE. So it will only work in the US, on Verizon.

chrikenn said:
Don't think so. Verizon version = CDMA + LTE. So it will only work in the US, on Verizon.
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I always thought that Verizon always had bands for international travel also? I mean not really a big deal. Verizon is the clear winner for coverage nationally and since my work is paying for it, its even sweeter.
Right now I just have a blackberry

player911 said:
I always thought that Verizon always had bands for international travel also? I mean not really a big deal. Verizon is the clear winner for coverage nationally and since my work is paying for it, its even sweeter.
Right now I just have a blackberry
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It's possible that the Verizon version has GSM/UMTS radios, it's also possible that it has those but are disabled somehow. We really don't know all that much about the LTE version of this phone, we don't even know the exact dimensions of it and what battery it comes with. So we'll just have to wait until it passes through the FCC or is released.

Chirality said:
It's possible that the Verizon version has GSM/UMTS radios, it's also possible that it has those but are disabled somehow. We really don't know all that much about the LTE version of this phone, we don't even know the exact dimensions of it and what battery it comes with. So we'll just have to wait until it passes through the FCC or is released.
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+1 for storming Google HQ
G2x - 2.3.7 CM7
Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV

Chirality said:
It's possible that the Verizon version has GSM/UMTS radios, it's also possible that it has those but are disabled somehow. We really don't know all that much about the LTE version of this phone, we don't even know the exact dimensions of it and what battery it comes with. So we'll just have to wait until it passes through the FCC or is released.
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I do recall seeing a negatory on the world phone status in Verizon's inventory system. And I suppose there is still the option for dormant or disabled radios but I ain't holding my breath.

What are GSM and CDMA ?

I see these words on some threads in development section. Could you please tell What are they ?

It's a network, GSM is 2G and CDMA is 3G. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Giankwang said:
It's a network, GSM is 2G and CDMA is 3G. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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GSM now more describes a umbrella of generations rather than specifically 2G I reckon.
To the OP thought GSM and CDMA are simply terms used to describe different systems used for mobile phone networks.
GSM is the more popular.

AstroZombie1 said:
GSM now more describes a umbrella of generations rather than specifically 2G I reckon.
To the OP thought GSM and CDMA are simply terms used to describe different systems used for mobile phone networks.
GSM is the more popular.
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OOPSS!!
Sorry, I didn't really know about that . My mistake.

Giankwang said:
It's a network, GSM is 2G and CDMA is 3G. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Dis guys answer is the 1 u want other guys was just buffling with knowlege unneeded

AstroZombie1 said:
GSM now more describes a umbrella of generations rather than specifically 2G I reckon.
To the OP thought GSM and CDMA are simply terms used to describe different systems used for mobile phone networks.
GSM is the more popular.
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GSM is more popular outside of the US. CDMA is used by most US cell providers.

cdma is mostly provider verizon

Difference between GSM and CDMA
In cellular service there are two main competing network technologies: Global System for Mobile Communications (GSM) and Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA).
Both boast "3G" standards, or 3rd generation technologies.
Only GSM phones use SIM cards. CDMA carriers require proprietary handsets that are linked to one carrier only and are not card-enabled (for the most part).
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-gsm-and-cdma.htm

At& t and t-mobile usethe gsm system.
Sprint and verizon use cdma.
The two frequencies are incompatible.
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netizenmt said:
GSM is more popular outside of the US. CDMA is used by most US cell providers.
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Hence why it'd be more popular as the rest of the world is evidently bigger than the US. Also it's actually more popular and practical as you can use phones ( that are GSM ,) anywhere , with any carrier in the entire world , provided you just unlock your phone of course, so .. Practicality = GSM, usability = GSM, freedom= GSM , better phones actually = GSM.
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Giankwang said:
It's a network, GSM is 2G and CDMA is 3G. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Thats GSM and WCDMA not CDMA
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jpzzle said:
Hence why it'd be more popular as the rest of the world is evidently bigger than the US. Also it's actually more popular and practical as you can use phones ( that are GSM ,) anywhere , with any carrier in the entire world , provided you just unlock your phone of course, so .. Practicality = GSM, usability = GSM, freedom= GSM , better phones actually = GSM.
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I beleve some networks in japan and china use CDMA too.
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Sprint GS3 hardware question....

Is the internal radio and SOC identical across all US carriers? (AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint)
I am looking to unlock a Sprint GS3 that I can get as an employee and use it on AT&T. (Apple appears to include both CDMA and GSM support in their 4S units) and I am hoping Samsung did the same to get the device out to all the carriers.
Thanks in advance!

Unfortunately, sprint opted to make the sim internal so it can't be swapped. If you see some of the video reviews out right now, it shows the sim slot missing.

Protocols and frequencies
themyst said:
Is the internal radio and SOC identical across all US carriers? (AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint)
I am looking to unlock a Sprint GS3 that I can get as an employee and use it on AT&T. (Apple appears to include both CDMA and GSM support in their 4S units) and I am hoping Samsung did the same to get the device out to all the carriers.
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I am not a professional on this but I believe that the SoC(processor, WiFi, Bluetooth, etc) is identical but the radios are different.
All the carriers use unique frequencies to communicate with their towers. Many carriers use separate protocols to communicate as well(HSPA+, CDMA, GSM) Its possible for 2 carriers to use the same protocol but they will always be using different frequencies.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think its possible to re-program your phone to use a different frequency(i.e. change from 1900MHz to 800MHz)
I do not believe you can "unlock" a sprint phone. The radio simply will not work on any other carrier. Now, if said sprint phone were a "Global Phone", then it has an additional GSM radio in it as well. I don't know if this could be used to connect to another US carrier like AT&T though.