Is it normal for the TP2 picture to stutter when trying to take a picture. If there is perfect lighting in the picture there is no stuttering in the picture, but if there is a light source or if it goes from the dark to a light area it stutters badly as it attempts to balance light levels and focus.
Does anyone else have this issue or is this normal?
When you say "stutter" I suppose you mean that your pics come out blurry due to your device shaking in your hands?
This is normal in low light conditions. Since there's not enough light, the camera compensates by slowing the shutter speed to allow more light to pass through the lens. The bad side to this is the slow shutter speed will also exaggerate any camera movement and this translates to blurry photos unless your device is fixed on a stationary object (and your subject is not moving).
yes! that is exactly what I am seeing. Yeah, i did not know that was normal. the screen refresh was so choppy it is hard to take a clear picture in low light. This is my first nice phone ive had and i am not used to all the features. Thanks for explaining that to me, I appriciate it!
You're very welcome, man. Just so you know, this isn't specific to our TP2. It applies for all cameras. Those with a flash would help a bit, but not much if it is really dark.
If you try to take a picture with any camera outdoors at night without a tripod and flash, it'll come out terrible.
I just laughed when I read the TP2 camera was 3.2 with no flash.
I will never use the camera because the pictures will come out looking like crap 90% of the time.
The camera for me is honestly useless. But oh well, the rest of the phone makes up for it.
camera works good with barcorama app. takes decent pics in well lit areas
I never use HDR when taking pics on my GS4, because frankly, it doesn't need it. But I saw a couple of pictures taken with the G3 in HDR that looked AMAZING. It makes me think I'll be using HDR quite a bit. My question is, how exactly does the phone know when to use HDR and when not to? Is it somewhat intelligent about when using it would make the picture better?
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I never use HDR when taking pics on my GS4, because frankly, it doesn't need it. But I saw a couple of pictures taken with the G3 in HDR that looked AMAZING. It makes me think I'll be using HDR quite a bit. My question is, how exactly does the phone know when to use HDR and when not to? Is it somewhat intelligent about when using it would make the picture better?
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HDR is used to brighten the dark surrounds of where the lens is pointing towards a bright area.
Without HDR if you took a shot of say looking out of a window the light meter inside the camera exposes the shot for what you see outside the window but unlike our eyes which manage to 'balance the lighting' of everything else inside (surrounding walls) this non HDR shot would make these walls black.
Now take the same shot with HDR and although the exposure is still focused on what you see outside everything else inside the building has it's light lifted, so giving you an effect similar to what your eyes actually see.
The better the camera and I do mean dedicated DSLR type the better the HDR effect.
So, how does it do it......
Well, unknown to you when you take that HDR shot out of the window the sensor immediately notices the lighting is extremely bright in certain areas of the shot. So, instead of exposing the shot to either inside which would result in what is seen out of the window being washed out is extreme brightness or exposing the shot to what is seen outside which results in everything inside being extremely dark, what the sensor now does is say "Hey, let me lift the dark areas and lower the bright areas and give you are more balanced shot"!
It does this by taking two very quick successive shots, one bright areas and one dark areas and then quickly combines the two together.
All you get to see is the final shot.
Some camera apps such as Camera 360 offer a dedicated HDR section where you can control more of the shot.
There is even dedicated standalone apps which concentrate on nothing but HDR.
Hey guys,
I am having trouble taking good pictures with indoor lighting. The first problem is that the viewfinder (or the image on the screen) is not very smooth. It's jittery and lags and its super annoying. How can I improve the speed of the viewfinder so I can frame shots better?
I also hear that the LG has fantastic low light capability. However, with indoor lighting (fluorescent bulbs) I find the images have a lot of noise and the details appear very muddy and very oil painting-ish.
I don't have any problems during sunlight but indoors, the G4's camera is a mess. It's slow, jiterry and all round annoying to use. Any help would be appreciated!
mufaa said:
Hey guys,
I am having trouble taking good pictures with indoor lighting. The first problem is that the viewfinder (or the image on the screen) is not very smooth. It's jittery and lags and its super annoying. How can I improve the speed of the viewfinder so I can frame shots better?
I also hear that the LG has fantastic low light capability. However, with indoor lighting (fluorescent bulbs) I find the images have a lot of noise and the details appear very muddy and very oil painting-ish.
I don't have any problems during sunlight but indoors, the G4's camera is a mess. It's slow, jiterry and all round annoying to use. Any help would be appreciated!
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I haven't tried it on my G4. But on other digital cameras, I have seen the displayed preview screen image get jerky in low-light when aiming the camera around.
My theory is that, to make the image bright enough, the camera needs to take a longer preview exposure. Capturing the image for the preview screen works the same way as taking an actual picture, of course. In bright light, maybe the sensor takes a 1/500 second exposure to generate the preview. But in low light, maybe it needs a 1/5 second exposure to make the preview image bright enough to be useful on the sccreen. So now it can only take a max of 5 preview images per second, and the screen will look jerky.
The muddy details, and looking like an oil painting, are at least in part due to the image sensor's ISO value being turned way up, due to the low-light conditions. Some of it may be due to the JPG compression settings, and perhaps noise-reduction. Pictures taken with the flash should help with this, as you're providing more light, and therefore the camera can use a lower ISO value, for better image quality.
You could try taking the same picture in Auto, then in Manual mode. Turn the ISO value down in Manual mode (to maybe 200, 400, something like that), and slow the shutter speed as needed for a proper exposure. In the Gallery, you can check the Details for the picture taken in Auto, to check the ISO value that the camera used. Use a lower ISO value for the Manual mode picture, and see if the results look better. Doing this with the flash turned off should help make the difference more apparent.
You can also capture JPG + RAW in Manual mode. The RAW files do not exhibit JPG compression, or other processing, they are straight from the image sensor. So you may get less muddiness and oil-painting effect.
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mufaa, can you post any example indoor pics you've taken? That might help provide some context for what you're seeing.
What are your requirements for the picture?
Do you have a moving subject that demands a fast shutter, or can you afford to use a slower shutter speed?
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mufaa, can you post any example indoor pics you've taken? That might help provide some context for what you're seeing.
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Well, here's one for starters. This is the only non-personal image I can share at the moment (I am at work!) but if it's not enough I will snap one tonight and post it for you.
http://i.imgur.com/5mpaT2h.jpg
Zoom into the picture and you will find details buried in blurry oil painting like smudges. This happens in bright pictures as well. Is this how the sensor on the camera is?
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What are your requirements for the picture?
Do you have a moving subject that demands a fast shutter, or can you afford to use a slower shutter speed?
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I usually shoot with subjects (my family, nephew, etc.) and I need the viewfinder to be fast. Because the viewfinder is so slow, subjects come out blurry even with the slighest movement. I also have to have a super steady hand.
This wasn't the case with the iPhone 6 i had. I just turned on the camera and snapped away.
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Reboot or try force stop on the camera app. I've had mine get like this occasionally but force closing the app or rebooting fixed it when I opened it again.
If that doesn't do it, you could have a bad camera. There were some people complaining about camera problems in early June.
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Oh boy. I will try that. I have rebooted my device multiple times and the result has been the same though.
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somebodyyy doesn't know how to use manual mode for iso
iiEatTurdz said:
somebodyyy doesn't know how to use manual mode for iso
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Any tips?
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Maybe try clearing the cache and data on the camera app. Also, check that the laser window next to the camera lens is clean and unobstructed. Most of my pictures, even in lower light are very sharp when zoomed in.
Gotta be a bad camera or focusing laser.
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Can you share some low light/indoor pictures of yours, and what settings you used to take those pics with?
That sample pic does not appear to have the EXIF data where we could check the ISO and shutter speed etc. that you used, can you check on your camera or source image what the settings were?
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mufaa said:
I usually shoot with subjects (my family, nephew, etc.) and I need the viewfinder to be fast. Because the viewfinder is so slow, subjects come out blurry even with the slighest movement. I also have to have a super steady hand.
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The sample picture looks fairly normal to me. That is, it looks like ones I've taken on my G4. I believe the effect you're seeing is partially noise-reduction done by the camera processing, but I'm not 100% sure. A high ISO value will also contribute.
Now I'm wondering if maybe I misinterpreted what you meant in your original post. When you say the viewfinder is slow, do you mean just the jerky image if you move the camera around? Or that the pictures themselves come out blurry?
With only so much light available, the camera typically needs to use a longer exposure to get a bright-enough picture. A steady hand helps, as does OIS, Optical Image Stabilization. But neither of those can help if your *subject* is moving, of course.
You have 2 choices to make a moving subject sharper in low-light:
- Add more light. Use the flash if you aren't already, assuming the subject is within reach of the flash (probably around 10 feet, max). This will change the look of the picture, making it look more "harsh", but the added light should improve the image quality. With more light, the camera can use a quicker shutter speed.
- Raise the sensor's sensitivity, by using a higher ISO value. Effectively turning up the amplification, and allowing a quicker shutter speed. But as most of us have experienced, when you turn up a weak/noisy signal (car radio, etc), you observe more of the low-level background. Static, hiss, and so on. In a picture, this shows up as "noise" in the details of the image, and will typically result in pictures with more of the oil-painting look.
The lens on the G4 is f1.8, and should let in more light than the iPhone 6, at f2.2. It's certainly possible the iPhone does better noise reduction, or things along those lines. I'm not saying the G4's camera is perfect. But it shouldn't be woefully worse in low-light, anyways.
To get a comparison of how ISO affects things, try taking the same, stationary-subject picture, at maybe ISO 200, ISO 800, and ISO 2000. Then zoom in and look at the details of each picture. BTW, every camera will exhibit this behavior.
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Any tips?
Can you share some low light/indoor pictures of yours, and what settings you used to take those pics with?
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it has nothing to do with the cache and stuff lol they sound stupid. just play with the settings. i typically use my outdoor iso from 100-500 depending on what kind of lighting or colors are present. for indoors i set it 500+. just don't go within the thousands if there's no vivid colors or bright lights. try like 500-800 for the iso and 1-1/8 for the shutter.
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The sample picture looks fairly normal to me. That is, it looks like ones I've taken on my G4. I believe the effect you're seeing is partially noise-reduction done by the camera processing, but I'm not 100% sure. A high ISO value will also contribute.
Now I'm wondering if maybe I misinterpreted what you meant in your original post. When you say the viewfinder is slow, do you mean just the jerky image if you move the camera around? Or that the pictures themselves come out blurry?
With only so much light available, the camera typically needs to use a longer exposure to get a bright-enough picture. A steady hand helps, as does OIS, Optical Image Stabilization. But neither of those can help if your *subject* is moving, of course.
You have 2 choices to make a moving subject sharper in low-light:
- Add more light. Use the flash if you aren't already, assuming the subject is within reach of the flash (probably around 10 feet, max). This will change the look of the picture, making it look more "harsh", but the added light should improve the image quality. With more light, the camera can use a quicker shutter speed.
- Raise the sensor's sensitivity, by using a higher ISO value. Effectively turning up the amplification, and allowing a quicker shutter speed. But as most of us have experienced, when you turn up a weak/noisy signal (car radio, etc), you observe more of the low-level background. Static, hiss, and so on. In a picture, this shows up as "noise" in the details of the image, and will typically result in pictures with more of the oil-painting look.
The lens on the G4 is f1.8, and should let in more light than the iPhone 6, at f2.2. It's certainly possible the iPhone does better noise reduction, or things along those lines. I'm not saying the G4's camera is perfect. But it shouldn't be woefully worse in low-light, anyways.
To get a comparison of how ISO affects things, try taking the same, stationary-subject picture, at maybe ISO 200, ISO 800, and ISO 2000. Then zoom in and look at the details of each picture. BTW, every camera will exhibit this behavior.
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"do you mean just the jerky image if you move the camera around? "
Yup. I hate the jerkiness but I guess there's no way to work around that other than decreasing shutter speed and increasing ISO which results in super grainy pics.
I will try the flash light and see if its any better. Usually, I dislike using flash in normally lit indoor places. It doesn't feel natural.
iiEatTurdz said:
it has nothing to do with the cache and stuff lol they sound stupid. just play with the settings. i typically use my outdoor iso from 100-500 depending on what kind of lighting or colors are present. for indoors i set it 500+. just don't go within the thousands if there's no vivid colors or bright lights. try like 500-800 for the iso and 1-1/8 for the shutter.
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Yeah, it has nothing to do with the cache. I will try those settings. Thanks!
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Just run into this older post.
My two cents: to avoid high iso muddiness in indoor lower light portraits, you should turn on the flash (or better, use an external led panel to create off camera light)
Indeed flash photos are unappealing, but you can improve them with Snapseed's selective editing, by lowering exposure and warming temperature on your subject faces.
You could also selectively increase exposure on one side to create a less flat picture.
mufaa said:
Hey guys,
I am having trouble taking good pictures with indoor lighting. The first problem is that the viewfinder (or the image on the screen) is not very smooth. It's jittery and lags and its super annoying. How can I improve the speed of the viewfinder so I can frame shots better?
I also hear that the LG has fantastic low light capability. However, with indoor lighting (fluorescent bulbs) I find the images have a lot of noise and the details appear very muddy and very oil painting-ish.
I don't have any problems during sunlight but indoors, the G4's camera is a mess. It's slow, jiterry and all round annoying to use. Any help would be appreciated!
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I am a photographer and am trying to change over to the new mobile camera trend that started years ago but I do know that with LG, since my friend has one, doesn't have a good sense of lighting, period. I am not trying to put down your device, I do not think you need a new one. A good artist can make art from anything and everything to their best of the ability with what they have. I think you should start trying to do things like opening blinds to a window, putting white sheets of paper around or maybe some gray or black sheets of paper to balance your lighting. Is it at all possible for you to share a visual load of what you're doing with the community? I think it would be valuable to have multiple sets of eyes and have many different minds working with you to solve your problem.
Before I got my m8 i had a china phone with a realy fast camera.
Now with this phone photos often are blurred.
How can I make the camera more snappy?
If you've had the phone for a couple months or more, or it was purchased used; it may just be that the anti-glare coating is peeling off, and causing the photos to be blurry. If this is the case, you should be able to look at the rear (main) camera glass, and see the coating "flaking" off.
If you can confirm this, the easy fix is to remove the rest of the coating with various methods (gently rubbing with alcohol, toothpaste, etc.):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/general/how-to-fix-htc-one-m8-camera-issue-t2803825
thanks for your reply, but this is not what i mean.
i mean motion blur. the lens is to long open when i take pictres.
i mean the Camera shutter speed.
i´ve found no camera app that can adjust that.
Maximus1a said:
i mean motion blur. the lens is to long open when i take pictres.
i mean the Camera shutter speed.
i´ve found no camera app that can adjust that.
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Shutter speed is a function of the ISO, aperture and amount of light.
If you just change the shutter speed, without changing the other variables, you will have underexposed (dark) pics.
You can try to manually adjust (force) the ISO and exposure, but you'd have to adjust these every time the lighting conditions change. And your pics may look very "grainy" and dark in lower light.
EDIT: Or go to full Manual mode, see details in Post #10 below.
Not sure what your previous phone is, but the M8 is a very good low-light performer, and fast response. At least compared to other phones of its generation.
Low light is not so important than a realy fast response.
With my last phone we drove 80 km/h and i made a photo out of the car. The tree rushing over was 2 meters away and super sharp in the photo. The M8 camera should do this too.
Maximus1a said:
Low light is not so important than a realy fast response.
With my last phone we drove 80 km/h and i made a photo out of the car. The tree rushing over was 2 meters away and super sharp in the photo. The M8 camera should do this too.
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In "Auto" mode, the camera will keep the "shutter" open (in this case, its not an actual shutter, but just a sensor being turned on/off) as long as it thinks it needs to, based on the ISO, exposure, lighting conditions, etc. The "shutter" speed is automatically determined, and as with any "auto" setting; you might not agree with what its doing. You can't tweak the "shutter" speed on this device. But you can try to adjust the ISO and exposure (as I've already mentioned) to see if it helps to shorten the shutter speed.
EDIT: Or go to full Manual mode, see details in Post #10 below.
Thanks. Yesterday i tried to adjust the ISO. It is a little bit better but not satisfying.
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Thanks. Yesterday i tried to adjust the ISO. It is a little bit better but not satisfying.
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You can choose Manual mode and decrease exposure time (equilvalent increase shutter speed).
To wich camera APP you are refering?
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You can choose Manual mode and decrease exposure time (equilvalent increase shutter speed).
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Damn, so you can! I knew about "manual" mode, but honestly couldn't remember how to go into that mode (I never use it): http://www.htc.com/us/support/htc-one-m8/howto/464940.html
The slider with the shutter-like symbol (fractional numbers along it) actually works pretty well. I turned it up the lower exposure times; waved the phone pretty quickly while taking a picture, and no blur! Of course, the pics will look more grainy and dark, the lower the exposure time.
But I think that is exactly what the OP was looking for (although the resulting pic quality mayor may not be to their satisfaction). Sorry for any misleading information!
@redpoint73 yes this is what I was looking for. Thanks
Maybe the hardware can take good photos but for normal use and snapshots it is not useable. The camera from my cheap chinaphone was far better.
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Damn, so you can! I knew about "manual" mode, but honestly couldn't remember how to go into that mode (I never use it): http://www.htc.com/us/support/htc-one-m8/howto/464940.html
The slider with the shutter-like symbol (fractional numbers along it) actually works pretty well. I turned it up the lower exposure times; waved the phone pretty quickly while taking a picture, and no blur! Of course, the pics will look more grainy and dark, the lower the exposure time.
But I think that is exactly what the OP was looking for (although the resulting pic quality mayor may not be to their satisfaction). Sorry for any misleading information!
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Sure with high shutter speed, the photo will be dark, you should increase ISO too. I rarely use low exposure time, usually I take photo with high exposure time and low ISO in the night.
Does anyone have any issues taking a picture of their dogs, or anything moving? I noticed if I take a picture of my dogs, even if there's a slight movement after the shutter is pressed, the picture comes out blurry. I don't know if this is worth the RMA from Samsung? I'm using auto mode.
yep. any movement blurry
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yep. any movement blurry
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but isn't that what the dual pixel AF and OIS suppose to take care of lol
xterminater07 said:
but isn't that what the dual pixel AF and OIS suppose to take care of lol
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Yes but even in auto i couldn't get a non blurry pic
OIS compensates for your small jitters or vibration as you take the picture. It can't compensate for subject movement.
Doesn't pro mode help with the blur?
Blurry S9 photo?
Turn off the HDR setting. Even Iphones have trouble with ANY motion and HDR. The Samsung is taking 12 photos and stitching them together -- ANY difference between the 12 will soften or blur the final photo. TURN IT OFF.. I NEVER liked HDR anyway. I leave it off.