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Anyone attains 1.8mbps or close with tytn??

This is strange, I know that the device's speed should be up to 1.8mbps...while I do a test in my place I only get 700-850 kilobits/sec never can go over 1mbit and when I am right under the tower sometimes I get 1mbit..
While I tried sierra ac860 aircard which is also capable attaining 1.8mbits it attains around 1.4-1.5mbit in my place...
I tried many diff Radio Roms but no luck... I guess the TYTN is not 1.8mbits capable if in the same exact place with two different devices I test..one gets very close speeds to specifications and the other gets less than half speed

Dude, remember that 1.8mbit is not only in laboratory conditions. Weather, location, your concrete walls all affect the speed. Your aircard just has a better more powerful antenna and as such better reception which translates to higher speeds.
Also the 1.8mbps is for raw data, not end user data. You are not just passing porn through that bandwith, you are also transporting the infrastructure for that data to be understood by your computer, like the data packets for example. So the connection will aways feel slower, even if you were hitting some higher numbers.

agovinoveritas said:
Dude, remember that 1.8mbit is not only in laboratory conditions. Weather, location, your concrete walls all affect the speed. Your aircard just has a better more powerful antenna and as such better reception which translates to higher speeds.
Also the 1.8mbps is for raw data, not end user data. You are not just passing porn through that bandwith, you are also transporting the infrastructure for that data to be understood by your computer, like the data packets for example. So the connection will aways feel slower, even if you were hitting some higher numbers.
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My aircard doesnt have an antenna thats sticking out...it could be compared pretty much to TYTN, and I am perfectly getting 1.5mbit with it through my concrete walls... FINE the overhead takes 300 kilobits... so all added up its ~ 1.8mbit... TYTN is not even performing close to it.

Im seeing around 1.1mbit/s with full reception, in uni that is...tethered to several masts i assume.
Most of the time i see useable around 600k...HSDPA and wnw+ rocks.

yeah, the most i get is about 1.1m in surrey. i dont get as much as this back in london

I get 1.4Mbit peaks (1.2 continuous) usable rate when inside my room (HSDPA and 2 signal bars, base station must be about 300m and a few walls away, both routed through WiFi or USB).
Pretty amazing stuff.

kilrah said:
I get 1.4Mbit peaks (1.2 continuous) usable rate when inside my room (HSDPA and 2 signal bars, base station must be about 300m and a few walls away, both routed through WiFi or USB).
Pretty amazing stuff.
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How do you test the speed?

the highest i've ever gotten to was 1.1mbps, that was with full signal.

1.1 to 1.2 is about usual.

i get pretty much 1.2 at work, at the house, its not even close but thats only cos i got a pretty weak signal.
tried differnt radios but none have really improved signal,
best two radios for me where 1.54.00.10 and 1.43 in the uk that is...

hbahaie said:
How do you test the speed?
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Simply download a big file. I was even running Bittorrent @ 140kB/s along with internet radio streaming at 16kB/sec the other day. I have friends who get less than that on their home internet connection

Here in holland i get with 3 signal bars 150 kb sec with downloading from newsgroups

Speedtest sites
Try these ones:
Magma Speedtest
Speedtest
DSLReports Speedtest
Hope it helps!
Quakie

WOW..
i am barely getting anything over 600 kbs, on a side note when using magma.ca speedtest, i am consistently getting readings higher then when using speedtest.tmc.net...??
what could be the probable cause for this discrepancy..?

Discrepancies
Depends on distance and how overloaded their servers are. I find speedtest.magma.ca to be the most accurate for anything under 5mb.
Quakie
a in yul said:
i am barely getting anything over 600 kbs, on a side note when using magma.ca speedtest, i am consistently getting readings higher then when using speedtest.tmc.net...??
what could be the probable cause for this discrepancy..?
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i've got around 1,3-1,5mbps in indonesia

3G speed poor on Rogers (on my unit at least), trying to troubleshoot

Please, anyone that has Hermes Tytn, I have all my 3G connections correct, however download speed is close to 700 kbps and fairly large latency,according to dslreports.com . Can anyone that has a TyTN on Rogers network verify that they are getting sufficient speed from their unit ie downloading internet pages, and if so, would like to know what browser they are using, and perhaps whether Sim card upgrade, could make a difference. My 1.51 radio appears to work fine, but wondering if this could make an absolute huge difference in speed, if I was to change to another radio. Someone told me to upgrade my Sim card to the 4000 series, which I did, but no change at all. Thanks to anyone.

hmm
Not sure about rogers but I do find opera 9.5 seems to be better than PIE. This is the version I use.

stoker1 said:
Please, anyone that has Hermes Tytn, I have all my 3G connections correct, however download speed is close to 700 kbps and fairly large latency,according to dslreports.com . Can anyone that has a TyTN on Rogers network verify that they are getting sufficient speed from their unit ie downloading internet pages, and if so, would like to know what browser they are using, and perhaps whether Sim card upgrade, could make a difference. My 1.51 radio appears to work fine, but wondering if this could make an absolute huge difference in speed, if I was to change to another radio. Someone told me to upgrade my Sim card to the 4000 series, which I did, but no change at all. Thanks to anyone.
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I'm on Rogers. I got 613 kbps with a 0.299s latency. What is it supposed to average?

Good question,, I will have to learn these terms ie kbps and latency.. I think the you should strive to get lower latency figures. I have run the iPhone 3G test on my Tytn and the dslreports speed test, and I get confused. On top of that, I really get p..d off when I see how slow my internet page loads up compared to an actual iPhone. Sure different browser, processor etc,, but it's humiliating downloading a page next to a friends 3g iPhone.

stoker1 said:
Good question,, I will have to learn these terms ie kbps and latency.. I think the you should strive to get lower latency figures. I have run the iPhone 3G test on my Tytn and the dslreports speed test, and I get confused. On top of that, I really get p..d off when I see how slow my internet page loads up compared to an actual iPhone. Sure different browser, processor etc,, but it's humiliating downloading a page next to a friends 3g iPhone.
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dslreports have never been an accurate test unfortunatly. When i was on O2-UK gprs i got a report of 1.2Mbps lol!!
I'll take a look around and try find a decent speedtester.
If your constantly comparing your device to an iPhone sir then that shows you lack confidence in the Hermes and other device......I DO HOPE thats not the case?
Try opera mini, gets on alot better that opera mobile for some reason.

of course not Mrvanx,, I love my Hermes and the myriad of operations that I can undertake compared to IP and been using it with confidence for some time now. Sure wouldn't give it up . Just trying to get the full use of 3G and minimize obstructions to speed. Someone had mentioned something about UA (user agent) being a factor. Currently using Opera 8.65 on main memory. Had tried the Opera mini,, and loved it,,however, I suppose now that we hav 6GB of data for $30Cdn , don't have to worry about data for now

Welcome to the infection of the I-Phone. LOLL, Everyone over on Howard forums was talking about this topic. As soon as Rogers brought in the I-Phone everyone wanted to play with them, which is causing major data traffic. It started about 2 days after the release, my speeds went to crap. I am pretty sure it will all level off once the initial fad has passed. Most I-Phone nuts are just into it for the Fashion statement. Its a popular thing. Kinda like the Moto Razor craze a few years ago.
P.S. did you get on the 6gb $30 plane from Rogers?

Yes,,,did get the 6gb 30$ plan,,thx Today I ran a dslreport speed test..even though MrVanx doesn't think it much of a good test for now (think he is trying to find a better one).. Am including screen capture of todays test.. I don't know how good, bad , or how far from average this speed amounts to. Thanks for your thoughts on my readings

hmmm
Ditch MS Internet explorer.
Opera Mini is the fastest. Will blow your friends iphone away.
On Rogers. radio 1.47.30

Ok , tried Opera Mini,,,and same speed test and Under Statistics (mentioned just slightly below your screen shot),, says that under 3G under Alltime statistics,, says 673 kbps,and also mentions 462 ms. My test shows Speed: 5988 kbps... I don't get it? How does the Alltime statistic which is 673 compare to 5988? They seem to both have the same kbps meassurement, yet worlds apart.What am I missing? Just added another capture at Testmyiphone.com tested using OperaMini again...so does this test mean anything to you in terms of speed, or is this a useless site? Most of these tests somehow determine that the unit that I am testing, is not an iPhone

Dunno
not to sound like a dummy, but all the gobbledegook doesn't mean that much to me.
My 3G is very fast- almost as fast as my broadband.
If I'm surfing, I use opera mini, or Opera 9.51. If I need to download files, I use Pocket IE because it handles rapidshare and megaupload better.
Opera just seems more responsive, IE takes too long to load pages and images.

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Ok , tried Opera Mini,,,and same speed test and Under Statistics (mentioned just slightly below your screen shot),, says that under 3G under Alltime statistics,, says 673 kbps,and also mentions 462 ms. My test shows Speed: 5988 kbps... I don't get it? How does the Alltime statistic which is 673 compare to 5988? They seem to both have the same kbps meassurement, yet worlds apart.What am I missing? Just added another capture at Testmyiphone.com tested using OperaMini again...so does this test mean anything to you in terms of speed, or is this a useless site? Most of these tests somehow determine that the unit that I am testing, is not an iPhone
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AFAIK Opera Mini can not be used for bandwidth tests since it will report the bandwidth of the proxy server that they use to send the image you see in your phone. That's why it will always report a higher bandwidth than with PIE or Opera browser. That's why it seems always faster, since it is a dedicated server processing all the information and probably hooked to a T3 or something. Again, AFAIK...

Nanastas,,, how to you like the new Opera 9.51 compared to Opera 8.65,,is it faster? better for you? Just wondering if it is worth the move,seeing as it still is in Beta.

my 2 cents...
dgaud: that makes sense. But to be clear, opera mini is significantly faster in every way than PIE.
Stoker: I like it a lot. it is a big improvement. Loads a bit slower off the start, but the rendering engine and the reflow into paragraphs is really intuitive and works well.
Beta or not, I've been using the different leaked versions since they came, and it's still getting better.

Guys, Opera Mini does all its rendering remotely, so the speed tests done in Opera Mini are just a speed test to opera's servers.

anyone tested their phone with sunspider?

just out of curiousity, I tested my phone wiht Sunspider benchmark and I got really really bad score.
I got around 132171.8ms.
This is terrible score considering that all other mobile phones are getting much higher score.
The test is done with mobile opera 9.5 and my wifi network.
Can someone else who got the phone or other winmo phone test their speed. Just want to know if it's just me or it's the phone.

Sunspider is a Java test. If you're trying to test your internet speed, www.mobilespeedtest.com is a better way.

thanks for the reply. No, I was not trying to test the internet speed but rather the system performance. The score is so much lower than other handsets that I saw online. And it's not just a bit lower but big difference. So, I am just curious what's up with the phone. This may explain why tilt 2 is always so slow.

Java isn't used for much on the Tilt 2.

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Sunspider is a Java test. If you're trying to test your internet speed, www.mobilespeedtest.com is a better way.
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Actually I firmly believe that the link you've provided provides bogus results and is just a way to make money from advertising, ie Web Hosting.
I know for sure that my network limits me to 384kbps, I have been arguing with them about it, but this site regularly shows my download speed to be far in excess of this.
I think you'll find http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1&more=1 provides far more accurate results. Either that or tether to a real computer and use http://www.speedtest.net
Sorry, this isn't really related to the first post but it winds me up seeing all of these mobilespeedtest results in peoples sigs.

Not sure what you're talking about. The only ads I see are Google ads and these are random generated. I don't even look at the numbers instead preferring the comparison graphs to the different types of services. The biggest thing is it always works whereas DSL Reports tends to be flaky on a PPC or just to busy. On the PC, DSL Reports is my first choice.

I have an ongoing dispute with my network where they have limited my down speed to 384kbps, or 3G when I have full bars HSDPA. A few years ago I'd be getting ~1500. My argument's their service is going backwards while theirs is they want more money from me for the faster speed. They also block port 21 which is annoying but I use sFTP to beat that.
Anyway my point is that they have admitted to me that the maximum bandwidth I can get with full HSDPA is 384kbps. dslreport has never given me a number above this whilst sometimes it's a little less, as you'd expect. mobilespeedtest gives me results all over the place, 300, 700, 3000 ...
These results cannot be correct. My network says that I am limited and I am. If I tether to my laptop and go to speedtest.net I get the same results as with dslreport. Laughably Speedtest.net sometimes gives my up speed faster than my down as the network obviously hasn't limited it.
I don't know what mobilespeedtest is trying to achieve but it's not, I think, measuring bandwidth.
Edit : The advert on mobilespeedtest is always for the same web hosting company - which is not your standard random Google Ad

Is this the Samsung Taylor?

If 4G LTE=faster speeds, then faster speeds=faster way of reaching data allowance???

So i was thinking on how i want this phone to be delivered, since i have to wait until monday... but then i was imagining those fast speeds that i was gona have, and the it hit me... faster means quicker.... so is it true that the probabilities of your data to reach your data allowance is quicker?? i need to know because i only bought 4gb of internet... and i use my phone's internet a lot
thanks

You use the same amount of data whether on LTE or 3G. It all depends on your usage. If you decide to use more because its faster, then yeah...you will hit your cap faster.
If you drive a mile at 20mph, vs 120mph, it is still a mile. You went the same distance, just arrived at it quicker.

so it's not going to affect it at all?

It depends on your usage. People typically use more data when things are faster because it is more enjoyable, or it allows them to do things they could not before, such as HD video streaming.
In a controlled environment where habits do not change whatsoever, you use the same amount of data no matter your speed.

It will only affect the speed at which you consume the data. If you're requesting 1.5Mb on Facebook over 3G, or 1.5Mb on Facebook over 4G LTE, it's still 1.5Mb. What you may experience, though, is that since you view information so much quicker, your usage of 4G LTE may go up. Just remember to have WiFi on whenever you're in an accessible WiFi hotspot, and if you start using more data (viewing more sites, watching more YouTube videos, etc) because it's delivered faster, just keep tabs on it. If you're on Verizon, they have a data widget you can download from the market. If not, you can keep close-enough tabs on it by seeing your data usage in settings.

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so it's not going to affect it at all?
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It'll probably effect you subconsciously as you'll more than likely be like "wow this is fast, I'll do more stuff!"
but if you do the exact same things, the faster speed doesn't use more data by default.

I'm still at the same usage as on 3G. As mentioned, if you stream video that's one of the few things where the same use can pull more data because you may be pulling better quality video. If you're really concerned, ICS has a lot of alerts to warn you when you're getting close to your cap, install the VZW data usage widget, and use WiFi at home and (if possible) work.

I spent more time doing speed tests once I started using LTE. It accounted for a lot of my bandwidth for the first week or so.
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so no speed tests.... even though it was one of the things i wanted to do... i wanted to see how fast it was.... how much did it take? and how many tryouts did you do?

The LTE/4G Hype

I was thinking why the hell do we need this 4G /LTE speed anyway if it's going to be such a battery hog? I catch myself switching to 3G to preserve battery all the time and on 3G for almost 95% of the day. What do you use the LTE speed for that I'm missing out on? As much as I despise anything Apple, no wonder they aren't in any hurry to bring it to the iphone. If you' asked me it was a great ploy by verizon to increase speed and then get rid of unlimited plans to make more money.
Just ranting. Missing my thunderbolt's HUGE extended battery.
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I agree 100%. I have a GSM Galaxy Nexus on T-Mobile and I think the HSPA+ speeds are sufficiently fast enough for what I do on the phone (browsing, Facebook, maybe watch an occasional video etc). 4G would just unnecessarily rape my battery.
In fact, I was a Sprint customer before and their poor excuse for "3G" was so slow, that I was floored when I got speeds up to 9-10mbps on T-Mobile as opposed to .98-1Mbps on Sprint.

I have a 3800 mah battery I bought for $20 on ebay, and it supports nfc. Problem solved. I use LTE for netflix, youtube, podcasts, ect. I could live without it, but it's insanely fast compared to vzw evdo 3g.
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That's almost like asking why we need high speed internet at home when dial-up did everything we needed.
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Im not going to say that 4g speeds are unnecessary or worthless but I dont use it. As I explained in another post the other day. We get great 3g coverage here and I can save alot of battery running 3g instead of 4g. With the exception of video everything works great. Video just needs a few extra seconds to buffer. But lets not blame 4g for getting rid of unlimited plans. Getting rid of unlimited was going to happen anyways.
DirgeExtinction- That's almost like asking why we need high speed internet at home when dial-up did everything we needed.
Almost? Not even close. There is no advantage to use 4g over 3g for 90% of the things your going to do on the internet. Assuming 3g coverage is as good as 4g your not going to pull a webpage up noticeably faster, Google Nav isnt going to run any better, and music streaming apps should be just fine. With your analogy even the most basic internet tasks were improved considerably. Do you even remember what dialup was like?

People said the same thing during the transition from Edge to 3G. "Where'd my battery go? 3G uses too much battery. I'm always going to keep it on Edge." The chipsets and batteries will catch up, and in a year or so, turning off LTE will seem as silly as "leaving it on Edge."

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People said the same thing during the transition from Edge to 3G. "Where'd my battery go? 3G uses too much battery. I'm always going to keep it on Edge." The chipsets and batteries will catch up, and in a year or so, turning off LTE will seem as silly as "leaving it on Edge."
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Thank you!
I couldn't have said it better than myself.
LTE is 1st gen tech in current devices. Of COURSE it has issues such as battery drain.

IFLATLINEI said:
Im not going to say that 4g speeds are unnecessary or worthless but I dont use it. As I explained in another post the other day. We get great 3g coverage here and I can save alot of battery running 3g instead of 4g. With the exception of video everything works great. Video just needs a few extra seconds to buffer. But lets not blame 4g for getting rid of unlimited plans. Getting rid of unlimited was going to happen anyways.
DirgeExtinction- That's almost like asking why we need high speed internet at home when dial-up did everything we needed.
Almost? Not even close. There is no advantage to use 4g over 3g for 90% of the things your going to do on the internet. Assuming 3g coverage is as good as 4g your not going to pull a webpage up noticeably faster, Google Nav isnt going to run any better, and music streaming apps should be just fine. With your analogy even the most basic internet tasks were improved considerably. Do you even remember what dialup was like?
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That is entirely subjective to the user.
And...yes, LTE DOES browse faster. You would be wrong there. Is it fast enough to matter? Once again, entirely subjective.
I can get where I need to go in a Hyundai Elantra. I rather do it in a Porsche.

Fyi, lte is not the 4g protocol.
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Fyi, lte is not the 4g protocol.
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Yes it is.
http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as “4G”, although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed.
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Leave it on 4G and be done with it! Mine is on 4G all day long and the battery gets low... I charge it!
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Also, it is not just HYPE. Everything is MUCH better with 4G than with 3G.

Why the hype? Because it's fast, really fast. When your battery gets low, charge it.
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Excuses, excuses. Battery life was excellent, actually about as good as my Hspa+
nexus, using my old s2 skyrocket. If we don't need "lte", then we don't need
high speed internet at home either. Browsing, watching videos, etc.. is
substantially faster on Lte. With the certain exception of some phones, battery
life on Lte is not that bad, and will improve drastically with the newer releases this year.

If you don't think it's worth it, turn it off. Personally I think it's great and hate it when I'm in an area without it. It's not hype to me it makes everything better faster. The best part is, you can turn it off when you want better battery life.
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Have you USED the verizon 4g? Its soooooo ****ing fast. It even rivals the speed of the internet I get at home with comcast. When my brother is hogging the internet, I just switch to tether and use it on my home computer and it's awesome. Yes, it does eat up battery, and I usually switch it off if I'm going somewhere for an extended period of time. But when I'm actively using my phone, why would I not want to download at 2 megabytes per second?
Your ranting argument is hilarious...
Why do we need dual core smartphones, all it does is eat up battery...

I totally don't care about lte cause with hsdpa 42Mbps I'm fine with it. I'm sure at some point I'll change my mind. But I'm not looking forward to lte battery drain until the chip sets get smaller and more efficient in a few years.

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I totally don't care about lte cause with hsdpa 42Mbps I'm fine with it. I'm sure at some point I'll change my mind. But I'm not looking forward to lte battery drain until the chip sets get smaller and more efficient in a few years.
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Except that...the Galaxy Nexus doesn't support 42Mbps from Tmo.

If couldn't turn it off I could understand the *****ing, but you can. Problem solved. And that is the price you pay for adopting 1st/2nd Gen tech. You're making it cheaper and more efficient for us guys when we decide to go for it. I played a with a gs2 skyrocket today and was impressed it got 3 megabytes dl speed. Faster than my 1.5 megabyte cable internet hardwired. I wish I could test run it just to see how bad battery is but I'm cool with it. I would probably adopt lte faster if carriers gave us a decent amount bucket data plans for the price, not to mention tether for the same data. If I had something to ***** about it would be the measly data plan, with no tether, you get for $30 that you can go through in 30 minutes if you wanted. As a matter of fact you should. Adopting it early and then *****ing about a trivial problem instead of a real problem means you like getting bent over. And you happily paid for it when you got the phone. And you cant say you didn't because you knew there hasn't been a magic phone with lte. Yet. And I don't see apple pulling it off for at least another generation of lte phones.
bow chicka wow wow.

I guess I'm glad that it's there if I want it. But functionally, I've never once actually gone and toggled it on because I was doing something that I wanted more speed for. So maybe I'm not the target customer.
Like most things that service providers do in the public sphere, I think the excessive marketing that goes into the feature is a complete disservice to everyone, and I think the mindset that demands new features to be hyped up like this is a complete disservice to the industry. It's like some kind of trainwreck symbiosis. But the way the advertising wing of these companies is set up, a prominent suggestion that 4g is anything less than BLAZING FAST AND AWESOME is not going to happen.
I do think that the correct implementation of this on current phones should be prominently featured toggles to turn it on/off at will, instead of a setting buried under a few layers of menus. I remember when I first got my phone, there was no way to set a 4g toggle that just performed the function, instead of being a shortcut to that menu. Custom roms offer that. I wonder if Sense et al have these toggles built into them by default.

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Have you USED the verizon 4g? Its soooooo ****ing fast. It even rivals the speed of the internet I get at home with comcast. When my brother is hogging the internet, I just switch to tether and use it on my home computer and it's awesome. Yes, it does eat up battery, and I usually switch it off if I'm going somewhere for an extended period of time. But when I'm actively using my phone, why would I not want to download at 2 megabytes per second?
Your ranting argument is hilarious...
Why do we need dual core smartphones, all it does is eat up battery...
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ranting is not an argument. ranting is....well, ranting dude. It's my opinion. Not arguing anything.
And yes, I have used the LTE. I've used it since the very first day the Thunderbolt came out (first LTE phone). The point of my "argument" was that I (stress, I) really don't need it for anything I (again, I) do on my phone. Accessing info I need is fine on my 1.2 Mbit/s 3G speed.
The comparisons with home Internet speeds and dual core processors is rubbish. Totally different scenarios. CPU speed and home Internet is necessary. But please, don't tell me that we need 20+ Mbit/s on our phones to watch the latest viral video of the guy fingering his dog's nose on YouTube.
Here is another one for you, lets just get rid of this damn youtube.
I just wanted to see what people were wasting bandwidth on.
I do love the answer that hardware will catchup eventually and we don't have to "argue" these points.