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[Q] Wall charger question

So i just sold my old blackberry curve and along with it the wall charger i used for my MT4g
so i looked around my house for another corded wall charger as the plug-usb cable combo just doesnt work for me as the cord is way too short for my needs
well i found an older Moto wall charge PN# SPN5334A...it has the same basic specs are the mytouch plug part with the Input: 100-240~200mA 50-60Hz...but the output is 5v 550mA instead of the mytouch plug being 5v 1A
so the question is...will the different of almost a half an amp cause any serious issues other than maybe a slower charge? any potential for damage to the battery or phone or even the charger?
well any help would be great...thanks

No it wont hurt the phone, only way to damage it is to over amp, as in say it was 2.5 amps but however it will slow the charge down I recommened going to a a store that sells computer stuff and picking up a usb extension cord I got a 3 foot on mine and dont see any draw backs as I do with a under amped charger

f1vel66a said:
No it wont hurt the phone, only way to damage it is to over amp, as in say it was 2.5 amps but however it will slow the charge down I recommened going to a a store that sells computer stuff and picking up a usb extension cord I got a 3 foot on mine and dont see any draw backs as I do with a under amped charger
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yeah i never really considered extending the usb cable...i actually have a 6 ft extension cable sitting in my drawer
but i appreciate the info

No problem hope it helped
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f1vel66a said:
No it wont hurt the phone, only way to damage it is to over amp, as in say it was 2.5 amps but however it will slow the charge down I recommened going to a a store that sells computer stuff and picking up a usb extension cord I got a 3 foot on mine and dont see any draw backs as I do with a under amped charger
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What's over amp? If the voltage is correct, the higher the amperage the more efficient it(charger) is, as the phone will draw as much as it needs to charge, in this case around 1amp according the factory charger.
Matching voltage is the important part. Too low of amperage will result in slower charge or no charge when using and plugged in at the same time.
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What's over amp? If the voltage is correct, the higher the amperage the more efficient it(charger) is, as the phone will draw as much as it needs to charge, in this case around 1amp according the factory charger.
Matching voltage is the important part. Too low of amperage will result in slower charge or no charge when using and plugged in at the same time.
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All voltage is the force pushing the amps through. Amps is the actual energy. Resistance is a factor too. Check the Watts to see that they match. But don't over amp it as well
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I meant there is no such thing as over amp. Amprage rating is for how stout the power supply is. A 5v/2amp supply can charge 2 of these phone with out issues. 500mA will charge but slow. Think of car batteries they are all 12v and the "long lasting" or "performance " ones will have better amp ratings.
Wattage is simply volt x amp, in this case here, volt is the constant.
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I meant there is no such thing as over amp. Amprage rating is for how stout the power supply is. A 5v/2amp supply can charge 2 of these phone with out issues. 500mA will charge but slow. Think of car batteries they are all 12v and the "long lasting" or "performance " ones will have better amp ratings.
Wattage is simply volt x amp, in this case here, volt is the constant.
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If by over amp, you mean over charge? Too much amperage causes a lot of problems, just like too much voltage can cause a lot of priblems
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sleepyfu said:
I meant there is no such thing as over amp. Amprage rating is for how stout the power supply is. A 5v/2amp supply can charge 2 of these phone with out issues. 500mA will charge but slow. Think of car batteries they are all 12v and the "long lasting" or "performance " ones will have better amp ratings.
Wattage is simply volt x amp, in this case here, volt is the constant.
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I've seen phone batterys blow from to much amps... You can go + .5 amps max on a cell phone before things start to go wrong. And that isnt recommended for to long unless you want battery issues
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So did it happen with a 5volt output charger or something higher? I have seen 8v mini usb charger from Motorola around, that will blow out your HTC battery.
Also can happen if there is a problem with the phones charging circuit, not from a 5v charger with a high amperage rating. Now with a higher amp rating, and your phone has issues, the more amps is available, the bigger "battery blow" you can achieve.
Do I recommend more than 5v/1amp? not really, but can you use a 5v/2amp charger or a 5v/4amp charger if it exists? Yes. Is 1amp safer? kinda.
How do I know this? it was an amperage question I answered wrong at my every 1st job interview 11 years ago.
These guys put it in better words than I do.
sivankls said:
DOESN'T MATTER ..if u know the basic Ohms Law..its the max capacity of the charger.(or any source) the current regulating circuits will take care of the real charging current fed to the battery
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tkteun said:
I charge my phone on my computers USB connection all the time, all computers have a maximum of 500mA USB current.
Amps are pulled from the charger, not pushed to the phone.
Voltages are pushed to the phone, not pulled from the charger.
If the phone draws too much current from the charger, the voltage drops to a point where the maximum power (P (Watt) = U (Voltage) * I (Amps)) of the charger isn't exceeded.
According to the USB specification you need at least 200mA with 500mA recommended +5VDC.
More is never a problem, you could even use a 50A power supply without breaking your phone. Practically spoken: I wouldn't do that.
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Will it be safe to use a 2A charger for the Galaxy Nexus?

I just picked up a Nexus 7 and was wondering if I can just use that 2A charger.

No.
You can go under but not over. You risk damaging the phone's charging circuit.

GldRush98 said:
No.
You can go under but not over. You risk damaging the phone's charging circuit.
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Ummm. To the first response....your thinking of voltage not charging amperage. I might be wrong but I believe how much current your phone draws when charging is determined by the phone itself, not the charger. What you really want to watch for is a mismatch between the charger output voltage and phone input voltage, that's when the damage occurs

butikofer08 said:
Ummm. To the first response....your thinking of voltage not charging amperage. I might be wrong but I believe how much current your phone draws when charging is determined by the phone itself, not the charger. What you really want to watch for is a mismatch between the charger output voltage and phone input voltage, that's when the damage occurs
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Your correct. The most it will draw at 5 volts is 1 amp. The best charger is the one that the phone comes with. If you want to learn more research ohms law and resistance balancing. Something like thevenin an mct.

tracerit said:
I just picked up a Nexus 7 and was wondering if I can just use that 2A charger.
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Yes.
The Nexus7 charger will be just fine charging the Galaxy Nexus. It will not damage it at all. I use a Kindle Fire charger to charge my GNexus. It can provide up to 1.8 amps at a nice steady 5Volts, but it doesn't have to provide that many amps to charge the Nexus - so it doesn't.
Its the voltage, not the maximum amp capacity, that is critical, cannot be too high.
It is usually OK to use a too low amp capacity charger as well, the charging just takes longer. Usually...some chargers are designed poorly. When asked for more amps at 5V than they are designed to provide they could fail by just providing less amps than asked for at 5V, which would be fine but slow. What else could happen is that the voltage provided could start to vary. It could start to take on the characteristics of the AC current it is supposed to be converting to 5V DC. This can hurt your phone.

Moral of the story....the chargers that advertise half the charge time because they offer double the amperage are a scam/false. Just because they can provide up to that amperage doesn't matter, the device determines the actual current being pulled (I.e.--charging time)

Combo USB wall receptacle, 700mA or 2.1mA?

I was thinking about putting a new receptacle with USB and one outlet somewhere on my kitchen counter. Problem is the two better companies have two very different amperage's. Cooper is .7a and Leviton is 2.1a, both have two USB ports and one outlet. The charger for our E4GT is 1a and I also have a Galaxy Tab 10.1 that would need the higher amp version, but many have said to NOT use a higher amp charger than the one our phones came with, which is 1.
So what do you think? Is it really that bad for our phones/battery to charge it using a higher amp source? I know our charger cube is small but I also need it in various locations at home or at the office so having an outlet like this in my kitchen would be awesome.
I hate how slow USB charges our phones, so I assume .7 would still be kinda slow and not charge my tablet either.
http://www.amazon.com/Cooper-Wiring-Devices-TR7740W-K-Combination/dp/B007NC5GI4
http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-T5630...F8&qid=1350409796&sr=1-1&keywords=leviton+usb

My vote is for the 700. It will be better for your batteries over time.

Interesting thing that I have learned is that the Leviton version only pushes the higher amps on one of the USB ports. There is no where that states how much the one that gets less does though and I have read that if you plug in a device that does not need the extra amps that USB somehow puts out less amps and it charges slower.
I need to do more investigating though.

revamper said:
My vote is for the 700. It will be better for your batteries over time.
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I agree to an extent.
I feel that it really depends on how long you keep your usb charged devices. Battery degradation may not be an issue if you upgrade often or are the type that never has anything older than the 2nd, sometimes 3rd, newest model device on the market. Also, a lot of the newer devices require higher amps to charge at a reasonable time. This transitions into charging habits. On the 0.7A charger, you may find yourself leaving devices on chargers over night potentially hours longer after fully charging. This is arguably also damaging to the battery.
Either way you go, you may find yourself with a bunch of 6' microUSB cables from devices taking forever to charge or battery degradation. :silly:

Your phone is only going to use as many amps as it can. Say a GS2 charges at 450ma USB and 650ma AC. The phone will recognize if its USB or ac and allow it to charge according to that. Its not going to charge faster on a 1a charger unless you root your phone and hack those parameters. Doing that is what will cause battery life problems, if not cause a complete failure of the battery and/or the device.. The higher you you set the charging amperage, the more likely you are to have problems.
And phones now (especially any model of GS2) have circuitry to prevent overcharging. Leaving your phone charging overnight is not going to cause any problems.
I don't know if USB wall outlets act like USB or a/c (think about a USB cable with a wall adapter) but plugging into the USB outlet and checking in the battery info in the settings menu or a battery app can tell you.
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What's next wireless charger outlets?

Get the higher-amperage Leviton.
Your device will only draw the amps it needs. The GS2 will draw < 1amp. But if you have a big tablet, they can pull the full 2.1 amps.
Since you're doing a 'permanent' wall installation, you're somewhat future-proofing yourself.

Good info, thanks all. I did not know that our phone will only pull the amps it needs, so that is good to know. I may get the higher amp version because I have a Galaxy Tab 10.1 that needs higher amperage.

1A or 2.1 A?

So, I have powerbank and I have 2 ways of charging: 1A and 2.1A. which one to use when charging my note 2?
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Depends on the cable you'd use. Samsung cable will go near 2amp, generic ones do about 1 amp

kebabs said:
Depends on the cable you'd use. Samsung cable will go near 2amp, generic ones do about 1 amp
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I have samsung cable.. So is it smart to charge via 2.1 A ? Can it do some damage on the phone ?

I have a Momax external battery and have charged the phone with the 2.1A port. It didn't heat up, it didn't have any problems. I was planning on measuring the exact amperage that comes out of the samsung charger and the momax battery (iPower Pro), but I didn't get around to it, because I suspect the difference is actually smaller. There are many people who used more powerful chargers to charge their phones faster, and the only thing that degraded was the battery lifespan, but the difference in those cases was upwards of 0.5A between the original and the new charger. I find the 0.1A to be a small difference and I have no problem using the 2.1A port on the iPower.
So to answer your question, no, it won't damage your phone. Theoretically it damages your phone's battery, but it degrades anyway due to charging cycles, so you won't notice any damage caused by the extra 0.1A unless you plan on still using the note 2 10 years from now.

sandulea said:
I have a Momax external battery and have charged the phone with the 2.1A port. It didn't heat up, it didn't have any problems. I was planning on measuring the exact amperage that comes out of the samsung charger and the momax battery (iPower Pro), but I didn't get around to it, because I suspect the difference is actually smaller. There are many people who used more powerful chargers to charge their phones faster, and the only thing that degraded was the battery lifespan, but the difference in those cases was upwards of 0.5A between the original and the new charger. I find the 0.1A to be a small difference and I have no problem using the 2.1A port on the iPower.
So to answer your question, no, it won't damage your phone. Theoretically it damages your phone's battery, but it degrades anyway due to charging cycles, so you won't notice any damage caused by the extra 0.1A unless you plan on still using the note 2 10 years from now.
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Thanks for reply mate ! I was thinking the same, but i needed some sort of confirmation tho

Use the 2.1A one.
The phone should only draw 2A from it anyway, that just means the port is capable of supplying 2.1A.
Using the 1A port will just charge your phone slowly, the 2.1A port should charge it as quick as the official charger, depending on which cable you use.

It is a matter of supply and demand. All USB devices can safely be plugged into any USB charger. Given an unlimited amount of current available from the charger, each device will still only draw only as much current as it is designed to draw. If the charger is rated 2.1 Amps or 5 Amps or 10 Amps, a 1.5 Amp device will still only draw 1.5 Amps. The charge rate will be at maximum Think of it like your house wiring. The circuit may have a 20 Amp circuit breaker in the basement but we plug in 40 Watt bulbs and 100 Watt bulbs and TVs and electric shavers that all draw different amounts of current. The 100 Watt bulb uses less than an amp but is unharmed being plugged into a 20 Amp receptacle (charger). Now we come to the flip side. If the charger Is rated lower than the device it just charges slower than it would if the charger could supply at least as much as the device uses. To go back to our example, the 1.5 Amp device plugged into a 1 Amp charger will take longer to charge that it would with a charger rated 1.5 Amps or higher. My analogy has one hole. If the stuff plugged into the house receptacles exceeds 20 Amps the circuit breaker pops. This will not happen with USB chargers as they limit the current and will not try to supply more than they are rated for. Stick to chargers rated as high as the one that came with your device or higher and you will be fine

[Info+Q] Optimus G battery

Hi
watch this video to get all info about the Optimus G battery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7Q8E5dzyxg&list=PLShKiWbiCfxbiMFDOHnS2Y_2HzAMwsRpI&index=26
Nice tech. I liked the way they managed cpu activities besides all.
My question is that why it takes around 2:30 to charge the phone fully?
According to this: http://www.qualcomm.com/media/blog/...-charge-10-less-time-charging-more-time-doing
OG benefits from Quick charge 1.0 which should boost charging process. Is it boosted by default? Is 2:30 fast enough for a 2100 mAh battery? or it's something kernel related and should be enabled?

2:45-3:00 its the charging time and its just fine.
You can always use a bigger charger and ruin your battery faster. Or explode..
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nikos523 said:
2:45-3:00 its the charging time and its just fine.
You can always use a bigger charger and ruin your battery faster. Or explode..
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I don't want to ruin my battery bro. I'm just curious to know if other phones with the almost same specifications have similar charging time or not. I mean is this normal or not? Do you know about nexus 4 charging time? or xperia zr? these all have quick charge 1.0 while snapdragon 800 offers quick charge 2.0 and that's why phones like G2 having a battery with more capacity have under 2 hours charging time.

nikos523 said:
You can always use a bigger charger and ruin your battery faster. Or explode..
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Well... Unless you use a charger that sets a current (extremely unlikely), it won't matter a single bit. Just a simple physics... All standard chargers provide stabilized voltage within certain current limits (that's your charger's Amp rating). The phone's battery charging circuit determines the current it draws from a charger. So, even if your bad-ass charger is capable of providing 10A output, your phone will not draw more than it needs when charging, which is about 1A (sorry, I don't know the exact charging current of the OG).

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Well... Unless you use a charger that sets a current (extremely unlikely), it won't matter a single bit. Just a simple physics... All standard chargers provide stabilized voltage within certain current limits (that's your charger's Amp rating). The phone's battery charging circuit determines the current it draws from a charger. So, even if your bad-ass charger is capable of providing 10A output, your phone will not draw more than it needs when charging, which is about 1A (sorry, I don't know the exact charging current of the OG).
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the charging current of OG is 1.2. So, you mean the phone won't be charged faster if one uses a higher voltage charger?

akahroba said:
the charging current of OG is 1.2. So, you mean the phone won't be charged faster if one uses a higher voltage charger?
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If you use a higher voltage charger, you could simply fry your phone -- depends on the actual voltage. The protection circuit may simply shut off the input, or limit the voltage at 5V -- I don't know enough about the OG's schematics. But it should still limit the current at the value it's designed for. Anyway, I wouldn't experiment with that... But if you are talking about higher Amp-rated charger with 5V output, then it won't charge faster, unless the lower-rated charger is actually rated lower than the phone would take. Here, just a couple of examples, assuming 1.2A nominal charging current...
Example #1: 0.7A charger. The phone is trying to suck as much as it needs, but the charger can only supply 700mA. So, it will charge slowly.
Example #2: Stock 1.2A charger. The charger is supplying just what the phone needs, which is 1.2A. So, it will charge faster.
Example #3: 2A charger (or more). The phone will still draw 1.2A, even though the charger is capable of supplying more. So, it will charge at the same speed as with 1.2A charger.
Makes sense?

kt-Froggy said:
If you use a higher voltage charger, you could simply fry your phone -- depends on the actual voltage. The protection circuit may simply shut off the input, or limit the voltage at 5V -- I don't know enough about the OG's schematics. But it should still limit the current at the value it's designed for. Anyway, I wouldn't experiment with that... But if you are talking about higher Amp-rated charger with 5V output, then it won't charge faster, unless the lower-rated charger is actually rated lower than the phone would take. Here, just a couple of examples, assuming 1.2A nominal charging current...
Example #1: 0.7A charger. The phone is trying to suck as much as it needs, but the charger can only supply 700mA. So, it will charge slowly.
Example #2: Stock 1.2A charger. The charger is supplying just what the phone needs, which is 1.2A. So, it will charge faster.
Example #3: 2A charger (or more). The phone will still draw 1.2A, even though the charger is capable of supplying more. So, it will charge at the same speed as with 1.2A charger.
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Oh, I see. Thanks. But, I don't know about the schematics either. I don't know if the phone has this smartness to draw as much as it needs or just draws as much as given. So, I won't risk either.

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I don't know if the phone has this smartness to draw as much as it needs or just draws as much as given. So, I won't risk either.
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Regardless of particular schematics, a properly designed charging circuit is always drawing the set current from a source. In other words, your phone is definitely smart enough to only take what it needs. Basically, "as much as given" in this context is incorrect statement... A charger "gives" a specific voltage (5VDC for USB-charged devices), and the device "takes" a specific current. So, no matter what the Amp rating of a charger is, it will only give as much juice (Amps) as the device decides to take (within a charger's Amp limit). If a charger can't provide enough current for the device, then you have a problem with slow charge, or no charge at all. But higher Amp-rated chargers are fine. If you have, let's say, a charger from a tablet rated at 2.5A, or a stabilized lab power supply rated at 20A, both of them would be OK to use for charging your OG. The only possible problem in this case could be a defective charging circuit in the phone, which might not limit the current the way it's designed to, and could draw enough from a high-powered charger to kill itself. Low-powered charger would simply not be able to provide a dangerous current, if that happens...
Having said that, I've got quite a zoo of various power supplies laying around, and I used all kinds of them rated up to 30Amp to charge different devices. Never had any problems.

Having said that, I've got quite a zoo of various power supplies laying around, and I used all kinds of them rated up to 30Amp to charge different devices. Never had any problems.
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and you've never seen any acceleration in charging time? So, it's just a common mistake that people say higher Amp-rated charger results in faster charge?

E977 battery difference?!
look at these two screenshots. one of them is E977 (in Spanish) and the battery is written to be SiO Lithium-ion. (SiO+ is used in G2)
the other is for E975 and the battery is written to be Lithium-Polymer.
Are these two the same?! Or this is an improvement made in hardware revision 1.2?

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As I said before, it really depends what exact Amp ratings you are comparing... If a charger is rated lower that a phone's charging circuit, it will certainly underperform, and will charge slowly. But if your charger's rating matches or exceeds the charging current required by phone, then it makes no difference.
I personally don't have an OG stock charger, so I don't have any experience using a charger rated specifically at 1.2A. I only have USB chargers rated at 700mA, 850mA, 1A and 2A. Plus, an assortment of other power supplies rated anywhere from 2A to 30A. Of course, I do see a faster charging when going from 700mA charger to 1A, and then to 2A, because the first two are under-rated compared to the phone's specs. However, once I go with 2A or the higher rated power sources, there's no difference at all.
Hope that explains it.

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As I said before, it really depends what exact Amp ratings you are comparing... If a charger is rated lower that a phone's charging circuit, it will certainly underperform, and will charge slowly. But if your charger's rating matches or exceeds the charging current required by phone, then it makes no difference.
I personally don't have an OG stock charger, so I don't have any experience using a charger rated specifically at 1.2A. I only have USB chargers rated at 700mA, 850mA, 1A and 2A. Plus, an assortment of other power supplies rated anywhere from 2A to 30A. Of course, I do see a faster charging when going from 700mA charger to 1A, and then to 2A, because the first two are under-rated compared to the phone's specs. However, once I go with 2A or the higher rated power sources, there's no difference at all.
Hope that explains it.
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Yes, the last sentence clarified it. Thanks alot mate.