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Wifi or 3G connection, how to know?

I just learned the hard way that it appers that the Tytn with WM6 does not seem to automatically choose the wifi connection over the 3G data-connection. This is horrible!
I have the 3G data connection set to allways on and I thought when I connected to Wifi that would be the connection the system used, but no, just got a large 3G data-traffic bill.
It's so many things I can't belive that is so wrong with WM6, does the developers use this themselves?? So many things ar very unlogical and non user friendly that I think M$ should fire the people responsible for Windows Mobile.
Is there any hack to force wifi to be used when connected, or at least get some warning that 3G connection is used even though Wifi is activated? Seems crazy that I have to turn phone of to use wifi and not be charged 3G data traffic.

No one in 50 people finds this to be a problem, strange...

There's something called 'Comm Manager', and strangely there is a button for disconnecting the data connection, and by accident it won't reconnect if there's an active wifi connection... I wonder how did you come up whith the idea of soft-reseting your phone to disconnect the data connection..

jompao said:
I just learned the hard way that it appers that the Tytn with WM6 does not seem to automatically choose the wifi connection over the 3G data-connection. This is horrible!
I have the 3G data connection set to allways on and I thought when I connected to Wifi that would be the connection the system used, but no, just got a large 3G data-traffic bill.
It's so many things I can't belive that is so wrong with WM6, does the developers use this themselves?? So many things ar very unlogical and non user friendly that I think M$ should fire the people responsible for Windows Mobile.
Is there any hack to force wifi to be used when connected, or at least get some warning that 3G connection is used even though Wifi is activated? Seems crazy that I have to turn phone of to use wifi and not be charged 3G data traffic.
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Hi, man.
I have notice that the metric for the WIfi connection is lower than the one for 3G or GPRS in the routing table.
Thats mean the default route go trought Wifi if this is availabe. The exception are some software that needs the 3G or GPRS connection like PushMail.
For example, if you connect your Wifi and open the PIE or Opera and surf the web, no GPRS/3G data is trasmitted, sure... you can see by yourself.
Live Messenger can works to chat over Wifi, but if detects GPRS 3G connection, use this connection (bad done by M$). Try unconfig the connections and connect to wifi, you will chat over wifi, but the email sync don't work...M$ have done bad choice IMO.
Regards.

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Hi, man.
I have notice that the metric for the WIfi connection is lower than the one for 3G or GPRS in the routing table.
Thats mean the default route go trought Wifi if this is availabe. The exception are some software that needs the 3G or GPRS connection like PushMail.
For example, if you connect your Wifi and open the PIE or Opera and surf the web, no GPRS/3G data is trasmitted, sure... you can see by yourself.
Regards.
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Well I did get 20 mb of 3G trafic in 2 days, days when I had wifi active and 3G-data connection. Only thing I used was IE and Newsbreak RSS aggregator. If I have connection ro my router over wifi, but what if connection to internet temporarily stops working, will WM6 then use the active 3G connection without any notification?

gnick666 said:
There's something called 'Comm Manager', and strangely there is a button for disconnecting the data connection, and by accident it won't reconnect if there's an active wifi connection... I wonder how did you come up whith the idea of soft-reseting your phone to disconnect the data connection..
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Do you think I'm stupid or what? I haven't been softresetting anything.. There is no button for disconnecting data connection in standard Comm Manger. This is not the issue anyhow, issue is how stupid can an OS be that uses an active 3G data connection when there is a wifi connection available at the same time... And if the wifi connection isn't working it notifies the user of that fact and informs it will switch to 3G data connection.
In other words how can the user know what connection is used. Only safe way seem to be to turn phone off in Comm Manager, which I will do forward on.
A logical system like iPhone will connect to wifi when available by itself. And I'm quite sure user is somehow notified of this fact.

There was a button for it in the wm5 comm manager, and after the updated, I didn't notice any difference whith the wm6 one, but there's always the option to change it to the Kaiser's comm manager (just a cab install, nothing hard or threatening). The 10 button comm manger has the 'Data Connection' button and that's a fact, and it looks better too (in my oppinion).
Sorry about the soft resetting thing, I misunderstood it a bit
And about the issue of the 3G connection, there are some countries that don't have city wide open wifi networks (like mine), so the only place I can use it is at home (or some open wifi network on the street but that's quite unreliable). So our operators divised the 3G internet connection plan accordingly whith prepaid MB -s or GB -s. So in my case it realy doesn't matter which do I use. (ohh btw 200 MB costs us around 11 USD and 5 GB is around 28 USD)

In all honesty there are a number of different solutions. Comm Manager, the NoData App, BandSwitch or it cousin program could help you with that. There are tons of third party apps. Worse case scenario just kill the phone and switch to Fly-mode. I mean, dude when you are going to do something with your phone and you are afraid that it might cost you money then research first before using.
Thank God you only used 20megs. Here in Canada that stunt would have cost you almost $1000!!

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In all honesty there are a number of different solutions. Comm Manager, the NoData App, BandSwitch or it cousin program could help you with that. There are tons of third party apps. Worse case scenario just kill the phone and switch to Fly-mode. I mean, dude when you are going to do something with your phone and you are afraid that it might cost you money then research first before using.
Thank God you only used 20megs. Here in Canada that stunt would have cost you almost $1000!!
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Well I did test and then checked only to see if I was charged any traffic and I wasn't so I thought it was fine. Apparently the charge is a bit delayed.. Well it's no fortune here, a little more then 1 dollar per MB. Still would be nice to clearly see when wifi and 3G is used, I use wifi at work and at home and don't want to switch phone part off.

gnick666 said:
There was a button for it in the wm5 comm manager, and after the updated, I didn't notice any difference whith the wm6 one, but there's always the option to change it to the Kaiser's comm manager (just a cab install, nothing hard or threatening). The 10 button comm manger has the 'Data Connection' button and that's a fact, and it looks better too (in my oppinion).
Sorry about the soft resetting thing, I misunderstood it a bit
And about the issue of the 3G connection, there are some countries that don't have city wide open wifi networks (like mine), so the only place I can use it is at home (or some open wifi network on the street but that's quite unreliable). So our operators divised the 3G internet connection plan accordingly whith prepaid MB -s or GB -s. So in my case it realy doesn't matter which do I use. (ohh btw 200 MB costs us around 11 USD and 5 GB is around 28 USD)
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I'm trying to keep a clean installation of the official Swedish rom, been having problems with wake up on notifications when using other comm manager and HTC Home plugin. Off course it's no major problem to go to flight mode, just weird that one even has to think about it on a modern os...

jompao said:
Well I did get 20 mb of 3G trafic in 2 days, days when I had wifi active and 3G-data connection. Only thing I used was IE and Newsbreak RSS aggregator. If I have connection ro my router over wifi, but what if connection to internet temporarily stops working, will WM6 then use the active 3G connection without any notification?
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The only thing you can do to be sure only Wifi is ised is to select The Work Network in Connections, so no 3G connections to your operator is done....
If some app uses 3G before Wifi, the OS don't notify, how can the OS notify this? The OS have in the route table metric to use Wifi first, 3G after...
Regards.

No data while calling

I noticed that when i am on a call my data connection dissapears and when i hang up the connectino returns.. is this a known issue? or does anyone know how to fix this?
Also the connection drops a couple of times a day (random intervals) and i have to enable and disable airplane mode to reinstate the connection..

if you got only a 2G signal, this is normal and has been asked multiple times.
It also depends on your network. Some networks don't allow simultaneous voice and data, even on 3G!
as for the random drops, that ain't normal but can be the network killing the connection from their end to free up bandwidth on a inadequate network or cell.
of course, it could also be a dodgy phone :-(

It's normal in 2 situations:
- you are on 2G (GPRS, EDGE)
- you have poor signal and the phone can't cope and prefers to keep the voice connection.
Have you tried to browse while talking and it didn't work or is it just the indicator that disappears?

Works for me, called my landline from mobile, dropped to the home screen once the call connected, then loaded google in the internet browser (and it even detected my location!) Oh I was on hsdpa btw.

I know that Orange phones wont allow data and voice simultaneously

Im on orange and i just tested it on a 3g connection, it does work for me

I'm on t mobile UK, as I said above works here.
Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

Issue with Voice calls while browsing in 2G (T-mobile)

I am using HTC desire (T-mobile UK) for past 28 days. Most of the time my friends tell me that they are not able to reach me. They get the message something like not reachable.
I did not know what was the problem initially. But finally I found that the issue was when I browse internet. At my office I only get '2G' signal inside the office building. The problem is when I am browsing internet in my office (using the available 2G signal) then I cannot receive any voice calls. Who ever try to call me while I am browins in 2G will get a message "*** The mobile number you have called is currently unavailable please call again later ***"
This problem does not accur when I browse internet in '3G' or 'H'.
Is this the issue with T-mobile network or with the HTC desire phone.. please help.. Thank you

my phone is in wcmda only mode, so i would not know about that problem mate... I will try it out on gsm only and see what occurs
JD

kvmanohar said:
I am using HTC desire (T-mobile UK) for past 28 days. Most of the time my friends tell me that they are not able to reach me. They get the message something like not reachable.
I did not know what was the problem initially. But finally I found that the issue was when I browse internet. At my office I only get '2G' signal inside the office building. The problem is when I am browsing internet in my office (using the available 2G signal) then I cannot receive any voice calls. Who ever try to call me while I am browins in 2G will get a message "*** The mobile number you have called is currently unavailable please call again later ***"
This problem does not accur when I browse internet in '3G' or 'H'.
Is this the issue with T-mobile network or with the HTC desire phone.. please help.. Thank you
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Looks like you've just been given an answer over on the t mobile forum. Quoted from 'Chippy':
This is a limitation of GSM/GPRS. If you have a PDP context (GPRS conection) but *no* activity is occuring i.e. no data transferred at that specific time, then someone should be able to ring you and the connection will just be suspended while they do. However, if the GPRS connection is active at the time then the channels needed by the the network to page the mobile are in use and the person calling will get an engaged tone. This a perfectly normal limitation of a 2G network and not a fault of either the phone or the carrier. Do you not have W-FI at work you could use?

Try putting your phone into WCMDA mode only and see if you keep a good enough reception to warrant its use

Tmobile is set up to reject calls when the GPRS is active. You will only get a call when on 3G on tmobile. Vodafone is the only operator in the UK that drops data to take the call on GPRS.

I never knew that. Now all those missed calls on t-mobile makes sense now. where I work has poor 3G service and I guess with so much syncing now there is more chance of a connection being active when a call comes in.
Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

HTC Desire can only connects "G" instead of "H".. a problem with device?

HTC Desire can only connects "G" instead of "H".. a problem with device?
Since the last few days, my Htc desire can only connects on GPRS aka "G" connections, can't no longer on "H" HSDPA 3G..
I thought this was the cell provider connection issue but, when I put my HTC HD2 next to it using exact same cell provider, the HD2 can still connect on "H" HSDPA..
I made sure the option of "connect thru GSM/WCDMA" is ticked, so my htc desire is set to connect not just gsm.
would this be a device problem on the Desire?
Cheers

I am seeing weird stuff with my desire as well. At first, when I got a data bundle woth Jimmobile (Belgium) I could only connect to the EDGE network. I didn't think much of it, because I thought that was a provider limitation. Then I just checked the use only WCDMA and it connected using HSDPA. I was surprised because when I switched it back to automatic, it chooses EDGE. I had this for a week or two. And now it suddenly grabs HSDPA all of a sudden and almost all the time.. I have decided to just roll with it. It doesn't make sense to me.. I doubt it will at any time.

djind said:
I am seeing weird stuff with my desire as well. At first, when I got a data bundle woth Jimmobile (Belgium) I could only connect to the EDGE network. I didn't think much of it, because I thought that was a provider limitation. Then I just checked the use only WCDMA and it connected using HSDPA. I was surprised because when I switched it back to automatic, it chooses EDGE. I had this for a week or two. And now it suddenly grabs HSDPA all of a sudden and almost all the time.. I have decided to just roll with it. It doesn't make sense to me.. I doubt it will at any time.
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Thanks for your input.. yes indeed.. weird..
Not sure if removing the battery and let the device off for a while then put the battery back n switch the device on will resolve the problem, but I will try that..
This weirdness, a nuisance coz Gprs is slow

Maybe take a look at this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656192
You might find something useful.

My problem is that I'm almost nowhere getting any quality 3G/H signal, especially in buildings, where my old N73 got full bar 3G. I'm working on Gprs or Edge if lucky with the Desire. Very, Very disappointing to say at least. This has nothing to do with Wifi here.

Dont compare the "bars" ... they are just UI/graphics.
Check the speed and reliability.
What I noted ... when you activate mobile data (from OFF to ON), it will take some times (like 30 - 60 seconds) to connect. This may vary on different mobile operators.
Balos said:
My problem is that I'm almost nowhere getting any quality 3G/H signal, especially in buildings, where my old N73 got full bar 3G. I'm working on Gprs or Edge if lucky with the Desire. Very, Very disappointing to say at least. This has nothing to do with Wifi here.
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look what I just got. Are they serious?
hank you for contacting HTC. Please try below troubleshooting steps: 1-Go to : Menu>settings>Wireless controls>mobile networke>Network operators>choose your network manually Menu>settings>Wireless controls>airplane mode> turn it on Menu>settings>Wireless controls>air plane mode> turn it off 2-Try another SIM CARD from another Network. If you have any other inquiries, don’t hesitate to contact us again. Please note that you can contact us via support line. For further details, please go to http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx , Thank you so much for using HTC products. Respect & Regards, HTC Team http://www.htc.com
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My Desire can connect to H without any problem.
Perhaps wonky batch?

It can connect, when the signal is strong enough, like on the open. But thats way worse what my other Nokia 5230 can do with the same signal strength. It connects in the deepest and darkest hole.

gogol said:
Dont compare the "bars" ... they are just UI/graphics.
Check the speed and reliability.
What I noted ... when you activate mobile data (from OFF to ON), it will take some times (like 30 - 60 seconds) to connect. This may vary on different mobile operators.
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I set it to WCDMA only. It got 3G 0-1 bar. No data transfer and some seconds later it showed a big fat X.

Balos said:
It can connect, when the signal is strong enough, like on the open. But thats way worse what my other Nokia 5230 can do with the same signal strength. It connects in the deepest and darkest hole.
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Haha
Nokia 5230 : When you need to update your twitter while in Shelobs lair!
Made for Hobbits by Finns!

[Q] How is your quality when you call from skype when it connected to cell unternet

So i tried to make a several calls from my skype when I was connected to the cellular internet and the quality was very poor
I wanted to know is it my provider disease or it is something global?

I think it is your provider.
Personally I use skype only when I'm connected to Wifi and the quality is very good.
On my 3G data connection, VOIP is not allowed.
@++

On WiFi i have a grate quality but the problem is with the 3G i have a delay and sometimes the other side cant hear me

Depends what speed you are on.
You need at least 3.5g for it to work well.
Sent from my Desire HD using xda premium

You should have least 5 MB synchronous for it to work good..
IP telephone need a lot of bandwidth in both directions

My provider is horrible, so its not very good, however, for some reason viper works better for me