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Would you give your Galaxy Nexus away for a Galaxy S 3 if you had the chance to?
I want some honest opinions..
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No.

Probably not, mainly because the European S3 won't get 3G on T-Mobile.
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Nope!
Love my Pure Google Nexus...and the "possibility" of getting updates quicker than phones with carrier crap on them, I'll keep my Nexus; Thank You Very Much! LoL
Also, with the available ports of all the SGS3 apps...can't get any better than this!

Not a chance. Updates straight from Google and no capacitive / physical buttons are too good to pass up. Also, Paranoid Android isn't on the GSIII
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Yes if:
-Its the version that's compatible with AWS band
-AOKP becomes available for it

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Yes if:
-Its the version that's compatible with AWS band
-AOKP becomes available for it
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It isn't the AWS version unless whomever wants to trade with OP got one three weeks early.
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If I do get it.. It would be with Vodafone Australia GSM no 4G. Although I love my Galaxy Nexus (too much) its starting to get outdated, spec wise.
Also, if I do get it.. I'll give the Nexus to my dad, so I can get it back whenever.. And I'd be able to upgrade in December just in time for the next Nexus.
I'm currently running the latest MIUI on my rooted Galaxy Nexus, so I'm not really into high levels of customization, And although I'm not a fan of the Galaxy S 3 design, I think they did a pretty good job software wise. And the fact that it's already been rooted before release gives it a bright start in the development field.
What do you guys think now?
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No. I would for a CDMA/LTE Galaxy Note though. Go figure ...
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Ahmato27 said:
If I do get it.. It would be with Vodafone Australia GSM no 4G. Although I love my Galaxy Nexus (too much) its starting to get outdated, spec wise.
Also, if I do get it.. I'll give the Nexus to my dad, so I can get it back whenever.. And I'd be able to upgrade in December just in time for the next Nexus.
I'm currently running the latest MIUI on my rooted Galaxy Nexus, so I'm not really into high levels of customization, And although I'm not a fan of the Galaxy S 3 design, I think they did a pretty good job software wise. And the fact that it's already been rooted before release gives it a bright start in the development field.
What do you guys think now?
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No HSPA+, no phone.
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Of course! I'd sell the S3, make profit, and buy a newer Nexus
Seriously, GNX is very fast, SUPER easy to flash/manage (My 9100G SGS2 is a nightmare), and STABLE!! Why switch???

I have the urge to try new phones.. In the past 6 months I've changed 5 phones.. But I loved the Galaxy Nexus the most...
I'm definitely going to get the next Nexus.. So why not try out the GS3 now?
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jabbermacy said:
Of course! I'd sell the S3, make profit, and buy a newer Nexus
Seriously, GNX is very fast, SUPER easy to flash/manage (My 9100G SGS2 is a nightmare), and STABLE!! Why switch???
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lol, exactly what I was gonna write.
Swap, sell, and have enough to buy (almost) buy 2 gnex

One chance.. Gs3 or galaxy nexus??

Hi.. Just got my replacment galaxy nexus maybe 2 weeks ago and im thinking "should i get the galaxy s 3.. It will cost me and extra 50euro if i want to bring my galaxy nexus back to the shop and swap for the gs3. So if you were in my shoes would you do it or? Please leave your comment on what you think
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This is the Galaxy Nexus forum. Of course no one here will say they would take the S³.
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For only 50 eurons on top? Yeah, I'd personally go for it.
Hell of an upgrade for that money.

The only reason I would do that - for the better battery time. S3 has a bigger battery and specs are promising a long battery time.
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I can only give you the same advice I would give anyone when it comes to choosing a personal device, ROM, kernel, or just about anything for that matter.
Try both, see what fits you best. If you personally like the GS3 better, go for it. If you don't, don't. Do what makes you happy and not what makes others happy.

Hmmm good answers i like the s3 but love the way were getting android 5.0 before anyone else whenever its out
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Hmmm good answers i like the s3 but love the way were getting android 5.0 before anyone else whenever its out
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And even 4.1 as well.
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Why you are so excited about early updates? What updates Nexus got first than others which would be worth mentioning? Except the ICS itself?
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bullka said:
Why you are so excited about early updates? What updates Nexus got first than others which would be worth mentioning? Except the ICS itself?
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Galaxy Nexus (GSM) = Android updates as soon as they're available. These updates include new stock Android features, security updates, kernel updates, driver updates, radio updates, etc. Essentially, updates to everything that runs the phone.
Everything else = anywhere from 2-18 months, or never.
Wikipedia, I know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#Ice_Cream_Sandwich_4.0.x
Otherwise, to the OP, my previous recommendation still stands. Which device is best for you is something only you can decide, not someone else.

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Why you are so excited about early updates? What updates Nexus got first than others which would be worth mentioning? Except the ICS itself?
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There haven't been any major updates. The nexus will get 4.1 and 5.0 before every other phone.
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JaiaV said:
Galaxy Nexus (GSM) = Android updates as soon as they're available. These updates include new stock Android features, security updates, kernel updates, driver updates, radio updates, etc. Essentially, updates to everything that runs the phone.
Everything else = anywhere from 2-18 months, or never.
Wikipedia, I know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#Ice_Cream_Sandwich_4.0.x
Otherwise, to the OP, my previous recommendation still stands. Which device is best for you is something only you can decide, not someone else.
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What's right. But I will repeat my question: list me the updates Nexus got first
None so far.
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I love my GNEX. But if I had a chance to swap for an S3 and pay $100 on top, I would.
Hardware is better, community will be big, and the phone is much smoother and overall a lot faster in every way that I can think of.
We Canadians will be getting the 2GB RAM version in a couple weeks. I jumping on it as soon as it comes out.
And I will be keeping the GNEX since it is a very good phone still, even by the end of the year, it will still be a very good phone.

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What's right. But I will repeat my question: list me the updates Nexus got first
None so far.
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Because there hasn't been any yet. You're using a technicality. When Google finishes the next major update, it will be first on nexus phones. Besides nexus isn't about fast updates, its about having fully open kernel and rom code. That's the point. You'll never get code for touchwiz or sense framework.

bat0nas said:
What's right. But I will repeat my question: list me the updates Nexus got first
None so far.
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4.0.1
4.0.2
4.0.3
4.0.4
And every update for the foreseeable future. Just because there haven't been any MAJOR updates (AKA, Jelly Bean or w/e it will end up being) doesn't mean it hasn't gotten every single Android update before every non-Nexus device on the market. It hasn't gotten that update yet because that update doesn't exist yet. Even so, it will get that update at least 2-∞ months before anything else, except perhaps the Nexus S or the next Nexus device(s). Most Android phones that are coming out with 4.0 are coming out with 4.0.2 or 4.0.3; and although the updates since 4.0.1 have been small, there have been several bug fixes and new small features in every update since. Take, for example, 2.3.4 which enabled video chat on Google Voice. If you didn't (or still don't) have 2.3.4 or newer, you couldn't use it. It just didn't exist as far as your phone was concerned. 4.0.3 made several improvements to ICS in general, including but not limited to graphics improvements, new APIs, new and improved camera functions, bug fixes and accessibility improvements. Not to mention that the updates and Android itself are built with this phone as the hardware reference point and more or less designed from the ground up with this phone in mind. Android 4.0.1 was released October 19, 2011 and it still only makes up 7% of Android handsets 8 months later. If Google continues releasing major Android updates in November/December, that means there are only 5-6 months left for ICS to be current, and it's easily possible we'll see more updates until then that will never appear on other phones.
Take the T-Mobile Galaxy S II for example. That phone was released 12 October 2011, a week before 4.0.1 was released. It received an update from 2.3.5 (released July 25, 2011) to 2.3.6 (released September 2, 2011) just a week or so ago. It will be finally receiving 4.0.x (IIRC the worldwide version currently has 4.0.3, which it received March 13, 3 months after the Nexus) on June 11th according to the press releases the past few days. This is actually one of the better examples of a non-Nexus device getting an update.
This whole 'argument' is ridiculous and is either trolling or an attempt to derail the thread or both. Or not, it's hard to tell sometimes. Either way, it will always be the phone that makes you happiest that is best for you. I'm done.

for another 50 Euro, go for it GS3 is way better than GNexus

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This is the Galaxy Nexus forum. Of course no one here will say they would take the S³.
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You would be wrong.
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I would get the s3 and give it some Nova launcher love. That should run like a boss!
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You would be wrong.
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Right? There was a thread just like this not two days ago and everyone was bashing the SGSIII. Then I say something like that and everyone loves it. Go figure haha.
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I love the look of the s3 but ive falling in love with my gn
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That's a serious argument not to love the S3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7e9ebi41Wc
After screen is broken - it just doesn't work anymore What a shame Samsung..
PS: Me.. I love my GN. But if I could, I would switch to S3. S3 is just a bit better.
PS2: Is it possible to have another launcher (if I don't like Touch Wiz) on S3? Like completely disable TouchWiz and install Apex or any other?

SIII or Note?

Well since you all know that the Galaxy S III is out, and that the Note is coming out July 11, let me ask you this: Which one should I get? Any suggestions help ;D
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Scoutamis said:
Well since you all know that the Galaxy S III is out, and that the Note is coming out July 11, let me ask you this: Which one should I get? Any suggestions help ;D
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S3! Lol. The note is bigger than the S3 but I'm more than happy with the size and capability with my S3.

Its a tough choice. My buddy as an att note and it is really cool. Definitely an attention getter. But the s3 is going to be top dog for a while and should have some awesome development for it. Check both out and get the one that fits you best.
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For me, the S3 isn't enough to leave my S2, especially with the price drop of the GNex AND the new nexus devices that will be released shortly, AND the other new phones that will be released shortly as well.
The TMo Note? That depends. Is it based on the Note 2 that will he released shortly, or is it based on the previous Note, putting it behind in rom development and basically another S2 type situation?
The TMo S2 was released so late that development was very, very slow and I see the TMo Note possibly having the same problem.
I DO like the Note, and would have gotten it in Feb had it been available on TMo then. But 5 months later? I'm gonna wait and see what else is coming along.
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Would the Gnex be a good choice out of contract? I have to replace my samsung galaxy s2 because it had a carrier block from Tmobile (bought from craigslist). I just can't shell out >$600 but the Gnex is pretty cheap relatively.

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Would the Gnex be a good choice out of contract? I have to replace my samsung galaxy s2 because it had a carrier block from Tmobile (bought from craigslist). I just can't shell out >$600 but the Gnex is pretty cheap relatively.
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The GNex is a great deal right now. I'm debating getting it as well, but am trying to hold off to see what the Nexus line is going to be like this year. The price will either stay steady, or continue to go down, so there is no drawback to waiting (unless you wait until a point where it's no longer made and out of stock, that is).
The only real drawbacks are it's last years Nexus, with new models a few months away, and the lack of SD card expansion (Google seems to have done away with that on their developer phones, but we'll see if that continues with the next series of Nexus phones).
However, it's guaranteed to get Jellybean (next month, confirmed), and will most likely get next year's update as well.
BTW, I'm only talking about the GSM GNexus. I don't even consider the Verizon version a Nexus device.
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Well I thought about the Gnex for a while and decided that I wouldn't ever get it. I mean sure its got the curved and high resolution display, but its lacking key features like a micro SD card. And in actuality it will be more expensive for me to get the Gnex. So...I'm most likely going to go with the Galaxy S III but thanks for the suggestions!
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The GNex is a great deal right now. I'm debating getting it as well, but am trying to hold off to see what the Nexus line is going to be like this year. The price will either stay steady, or continue to go down, so there is no drawback to waiting (unless you wait until a point where it's no longer made and out of stock, that is).
The only real drawbacks are it's last years Nexus, with new models a few months away, and the lack of SD card expansion (Google seems to have done away with that on their developer phones, but we'll see if that continues with the next series of Nexus phones).
However, it's guaranteed to get Jellybean (next month, confirmed), and will most likely get next year's update as well.
BTW, I'm only talking about the GSM GNexus. I don't even consider the Verizon version a Nexus device.
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What's different with the Verizon Gnex?
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Scoutamis said:
Well since you all know that the Galaxy S III is out, and that the Note is coming out July 11, let me ask you this: Which one should I get? Any suggestions help ;D
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I for one am going to wait til sept-oct too see the note 2 with a 5.5 screen. Which is also around the iphone 5 is set to release which will also means other goodies samsung and other companies will release to go head to head with it. I see no real reason to upgrade now and then want to upgrade again in just a few months, that's unless you have the money to burn like that.

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What's different with the Verizon Gnex?
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Simply put, Verizon got their dirty paws on it. Came without Wallet (although it was able to be sideloaded), had some Verizon bloatware, and updates have been a nightmare for users (took months after ICS updates were released for Verizon GNex users to receive them). In fact, Google has since dropped support for it as a Nexus device (CDMA is a dead technology).
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Simply put, Verizon got their dirty paws on it. Came without Wallet (although it was able to be sideloaded), had some Verizon bloatware, and updates have been a nightmare for users (took months after ICS updates were released for Verizon GNex users to receive them). In fact, Google has since dropped support for it as a Nexus device (CDMA is a dead technology).
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Verizon put bloatware on the Gnex?! That's crazy -.-
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Simply put, Verizon got their dirty paws on it. Came without Wallet (although it was able to be sideloaded), had some Verizon bloatware, and updates have been a nightmare for users (took months after ICS updates were released for Verizon GNex users to receive them). In fact, Google has since dropped support for it as a Nexus device (CDMA is a dead technology).
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So the Verizon nexus didn't get 4.1?
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Should I trade my nexus for a tmo gs3?! Help!

Should I?
Thanks!
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I would def do it.

Do you want a SGSIII?
- If yes, get it.
- If no, keep your Galaxy Nexus.

Why do people constantly open threads like these. Why are you going to base your decision in someone else opinion?
My opinion....doesn't matter! Hell buy an iPhone for all I care.
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No.
Simba was moving too slow, so I told him to Mufasa.

Funny cause I just got an S3 for my wife about an hour ago. I haven't really played with it that much beside installing some of her apps. Me personally, I wouldn't be able to switch. There are some really neat features and the 2 gigs of ram is very nice but for me the nexus with jelly bean is still the better device.
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The gs3 is an awesome phone no doubt. I won't be buying another non Nexus device for myself though. The Nexus line is exactly what I want in a phone... An awesome development community for bleeding edge features that non Nexus phones won't see for many many months.
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Should I?
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Maybe!

eqjunkie829 said:
The gs3 is an awesome phone no doubt. I won't be buying another non Nexus device for myself though. The Nexus line is exactly what I want in a phone... An awesome development community for bleeding edge features that non Nexus phones won't see for many many months.
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Completely agree with this. Ive had an iPhone 4 for a year and before that an HTC Evo 4G. I grew tired of the iPhone so I decided to take a chance with this Nexus. I've got to honestly say as long as this device stays in working condition for the next few yrs, I won't buy another phone until they stop sending OTA updates to this phone. Which might not be for a loong time considering I bought this straight from Google.
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totally worth it. do it.

Why you downgrade to an SGS 3?
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Overall the S3 is underwhelming. AOKP running on both devices, the Nexus perform just the same. The S3 is faster in some tasks like installing apps and gaming, but for the most part its not a noticeable difference. And the Nexus have more up to date software and roms. I like the feel of the Nexus more, the S3 feel very flimsy.
I'm in a dilemma about which device I should sell, I can store more stuff with the S3 and take nicer photos, but for almost anything else I prefer the Nexus.
I do know for a fact that the T-Mobile of version of S3 will probably get Jelly Bean as its last official update, while the Nexus will get plenty more updates from Google in the future.
Also S3 factory firmware is unusable for me, very bloated and slow, I guess once you're spoiled by stock Android everything else feel slow.

Yes, then sell the gs3, buy a new nexus, and pocket the difference.
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Why didn't I thought of that?

Yes! Sell it for $450-500, then buy the Play Store GNex for $350. Pocket the difference
EDIT: Got beaten to it by Yuhfhrh

I would hold out for windows eight phone
It has avatars that flashlights
Why am I here
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Pocketing the difference feels great.
traded my iPhone 4 32GB + $100 for a 4S back in January off craigslist. The dude couldn't wait for jailbreak any longer and valued a bit more cash.
Flipped my iPhone 4S (that I got an AT&T sanctioned unlock for as soon as they started doing that) three days after playing with my GNex for $550.
Pocketed $170. Almost enough to cover iPhone "5" since I'm eligible for an upgrade. Might do that and flip it for Nexus 2 when the time comes.
Either way, in a great spot and happier than I could imagine with my Jelly device

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Is it worth buying a Nexus today?

Hello,
How are you?
As I have said in previous threads, I currently have a Galaxy Note.
I am wanting to switch to a bit smaller phone with better handling with one hand on the go.
I've though about the HTC One X and Samsung Galaxy S3, but I think the support in regard to updates is just slow.
So, I am thinking about a Nexus.
My question is with the Nexus running older, is it still worth the purchase today? It is a fairly bit cheaper than the S3 or HOX.
ALso, the camera is an important feature to me.
I don't carry dedicated cameras with me no more, so I rely on my phone to take some casual snaps.
How is the camera on the Nexus in comparison to my Note, in regard to general image quality?
Hope you can help me out.
Thank you.
Best wishes.

Some references:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1843976
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1841776

If I were you, I would wait a month or two to see which handsets that will be released.
The spec's on the Nexus is 9 months old so it is not the best out there anymore in regards to hardware, but it is without comparison the best handset when it comes to updates and community support.
The camera on the phone is OK, not the best out there but it manages for my use. I don't know how it compares to the Note's camera since i've never tried it.

if the camera is important to you and is a higher priority rather than the software updates I'd go with something newer. Having gone from a GS2 to a GNex I can say the picture quality is down and is noticeable. I'm guessing they use the same 8mp sensor in the Note as the GS2

I have the post-ban Gnex GSM.
In the last year, I've used One X (awesome screen, awesome camera, but that's it. Sence is stupid), Nokia 900 (awesome hardware, meh camera, meh screen, terrible app store), GS3 (awesome everything except touch wiz), Galaxy Note (hate touch wiz, good camera, good screen, unique), and of course the iPhone 4S.
Today, when my friends ask what phone to get, I direct them to GS3. I'm not a fan of touch wiz, but it's hard to deny the awesome hardware that thing has in it.
If you put the Gnex software with the S3 hardware, you would have the best phone in the world today. For me, software is more important than hardware which is why I support the nex.

Yes, it's worth it.
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Thank you all for the replies.
Is the Nexus too much of a downgrade in terms of hardware from my Note?
Also, If I install a rom like CM10 on my Note, I will almost get that stock ICS feel on the note, or even an S3, right?
Those kinds of roms are not that much ate in time after the original Google updates, are they?
Cheers!

The Nexus is always worth it especially for development.

The Nexus is always the way to go if you like flashing ROMs.

No jelly bean for Verizon or sprint Gnex yet. International s3 getting official jelly bean next week. S3 over Gnex was an easy decision for me.
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I own the Nexus VZW and S3. I prefer the S3 for the hardware but I love the nexus for roms. I will probably flash the S3 today.

When it's said that the nexus is better to install customs ROMs, what is the difference from a HOX or S3?
Does the nexus have a bigger development community and better support?
Cheers
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Tlo218 said:
No jelly bean for Verizon or sprint Gnex yet. International s3 getting official jelly bean next week. S3 over Gnex was an easy decision for me.
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Official nothing. You buy a Nexus to have the choice to not wait for the carries. All versions of the Galaxy Nexus have stock and custom ROMs built on 4.1.1 source. I run stock 4.1.1 on my Sprint Galaxy Nexus and it runs just as well as any other.
Development on a Nexus device is always easier than any other, has more potential, and a larger development community. Your GS3 may see 4.1.1 but may get left in the dust for the next version while my Nexus will remain up-to-date, regardless of whether the "carrier" releases it or not.
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I went from the Note to the Nexus yesterday. I realised that the Nexus is a better size for me but the Note lives on with my wife and it is an awesome peice of kit. Also for me as much as I messed around with TW roms I always craved vanilla Android. The problem is that CM and AOKP always had issues despite the devs hard work. My advice to the OP is to buy the GNex now and swap it next year for a new Nexus next year when prices of those have dropped. That's what I will be doing. In 23 months of Android I have had 6 different phones, but this is easier to do in GSM land.
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I went from the Note to the Nexus yesterday. I realised that the Nexus is a better size for me but the Note lives on with my wife and it is an awesome peice of kit. Also for me as much as I messed around with TW roms I always craved vanilla Android. The problem is that CM and AOKP always had issues despite the devs hard work. My advice to the OP is to buy the GNex now and swap it next year for a new Nexus next year when prices of those have dropped. That's what I will be doing. In 23 months of Android I have had 6 different phones, but this is easier to do in GSM land.
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That's helpful.
Can you please give me your impression of the camera on both phones? Is it a dramatic difference?
Also, any kind of regrets on the swap?
I'm still over thinking... I can get the Nexus for a sweet price and still make some profit in selling my note, but I am afraid of regretting it...
Decisions...
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To the OP- I have both phones. I got the G note at the beginning of the year, but switched to tmobile and it was not too reliable then. I got the G nexus 2 months ago and love the smaller size.
I have recently gotten to test out both cameras with the ustream app- Trying to catch a mouse popping out of my stove- Arghhhh!!!!
This ustream app sends out the camera as a live feed to your computer. I used both phones on 2 different nites. I am sorry to say there is a significant difference. The G Note is a great picture. The G nexus is a step down in clarity. I can't say its blurry, but there are more details shown with the g Note. In still pictures, it seems to be fine. I wouldn't have known the difference is I didn't see it with my own eyes.
I now switch off between the phones. the radio problem has been fixed for the note on tmobile. I really love my Note, but at times the Gnex is more practical to carry around. I was able to sell an old iphone and infuse to pay for my gnex, so I could keep both
Tough decision! Good Luck!

Sorry I have not had enough experience yet with the GNex camera, but that is not so important to me and my wife can take the pictures on the Note. No regrets for me.
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When the next nexus arrives, do you think the current nexus will hold it's value better than the note? The note 2 will be announced the coming week, and it might pull the note's value Down. It does have the uniqueness of the screen tough...
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gdourado said:
When the next nexus arrives, do you think the current nexus will hold it's value better than the note? The note 2 will be announced the coming week, and it might pull the note's value Down. It does have the uniqueness of the screen tough...
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I think nexus will hold its value much longer than note, thanks to timely update from Google.
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Zeinzu said:
Official nothing. You buy a Nexus to have the choice to not wait for the carries. All versions of the Galaxy Nexus have stock and custom ROMs built on 4.1.1 source. I run stock 4.1.1 on my Sprint Galaxy Nexus and it runs just as well as any other.
Development on a Nexus device is always easier than any other, has more potential, and a larger development community. Your GS3 may see 4.1.1 but may get left in the dust for the next version while my Nexus will remain up-to-date, regardless of whether the "carrier" releases it or not.
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^^^ This is the chief reason why I kept my Sprint Galaxy Nexus rather than returning it before my 14 days were up.
I still have my HTC EVO 4G LTE, but love the Nexus. I find it much more appealing design and it feels better to hold for long calls that I can't use speakerphone on. I consider myself to be very demanding of my phones and, like every other handset I have had, I have found things with the Nexus that need to be tweaked to my liking. This is the best part of this phone. I can do that if I dig into it and learn about the design and programming. Lack of carrier "sh_tware" is an extra bonus, but that can be removed from any rooted phone with TB.