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Has anyone else noticed when you set camcorder resalution to 1080P that it ia zoomed in. Try switching between 720 and 1080 and you will instantly see what I am talking about. It is very annoying to take close videos in 1080p.
Wow. I didn't notice that.. Very odd
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Makes me worry about quality control...
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1080p sucks. No zoom. Very disappointed in it but overall awesome camera.
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There is no zoom option with 1080p. No biggie -- I'm not seeing any real difference in quality between 1080p and 720p anyway, and you can zoom plus the files are smaller.
I noticed the video was zoomed in more than the camera, but now i see the 1080p looks like its croped from the center of 720p video, or just zoomed way in ,
This seems backwards from tvs and pc screens shouldent the 1080p have the widest field of view , put your pc moniter on 800x600 and then on 1920x1200
the highest resolution has more screen space.
our phone displays may have somekind of scalling bug or wierd crop factor that changes
Need to export videos to pc and check if its still croped.
djjosh said:
I noticed the video was zoomed in more than the camera, but now i see the 1080p looks like its croped from the center of 720p video, or just zoomed way in ,
This seems backwards from tvs and pc screens shouldent the 1080p have the widest field of view , put your pc moniter on 800x600 and then on 1920x1200
the highest resolution has more screen space.
our phone displays may have somekind of scalling bug or wierd crop factor that changes
Need to export videos to pc and check if its still croped.
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Thats what I would think. They talk about it in the anandtech review of the international version. Still don't really understand the reason though.
djjosh said:
I noticed the video was zoomed in more than the camera, but now i see the 1080p looks like its croped from the center of 720p video, or just zoomed way in ,
This seems backwards from tvs and pc screens shouldent the 1080p have the widest field of view , put your pc moniter on 800x600 and then on 1920x1200
the highest resolution has more screen space.
our phone displays may have somekind of scalling bug or wierd crop factor that changes
Need to export videos to pc and check if its still croped.
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This is exactly what I noticed and thought myself.
1080p is pretty much useless on here, I feel that it was an afterthought. Seems the 720p has a bit of stabilization, and overall just looks better.
Here is a shot in 1080:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4AtsXjyKhY
Here is the same shot in 720:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buHigxvlnfo
bondosho said:
1080p is pretty much useless on here, I feel that it was an afterthought. Seems the 720p has a bit of stabilization, and overall just looks better.
Here is a shot in 1080:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4AtsXjyKhY
Here is the same shot in 720:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buHigxvlnfo
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Exactly why I made this thread. Also, watch your two videos and notice how far zoomed in the 1080P video is compared to the 720P. I also have many issues with quality of 1080P, which is why I leave mine set to 720P.
Wow, I am extremely grateful for this thread. I just tested 1080p vs 720p on my phone and 720p seems to have some great image stabilizing and the bitrate looks higher than 1080p.
720p has IS, zoom, and looks so smooth. Couple that with the bitrate hack and you got yourself one hell of a camcorder.
Zexell said:
Wow, I am extremely grateful for this thread. I just tested 1080p vs 720p on my phone and 720p seems to have some great image stabilizing and the bitrate looks higher than 1080p.
720p has IS, zoom, and looks so smooth. Couple that with the bitrate hack and you got yourself one hell of a camcorder.
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bitrate hacking? do tell!
Kikoshi said:
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Yes please do
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There was a thread created before about this so I investigated. I have came to conclusion the 1080p is better quality. And of course better quality full screen. Watch each file at it's naive resolution. I have a dreamcolor display at 1920x1200 so I can definitely make the call on what looks better. This is my opinion on my findings.
.: sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch :.
The other issue I have found with the camera is that the settings don't survive a reboot. What's the point of editing the shortcuts if you have to redo them every time you reboot the phone or quit the camera app.
On the OG Epic, I could set the camera to black and white and it would remain until I changed it. However, on this camera, I have to set the effects every time I use the camera.
I would say that the camera is sorta flaky. Anyone know if this happens on the other Galaxy S2........
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The other issue I have found with the camera is that the settings don't survive a reboot. What's the point of editing the shortcuts if you have to redo them every time you reboot the phone or quit the camera app.
On the OG Epic, I could set the camera to black and white and it would remain until I changed it. However, on this camera, I have to set the effects every time I use the camera.
I would say that the camera is sorta flaky. Anyone know if this happens on the other Galaxy S2........
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The shortcuts actually on me, they survive the reboot, I haven't fiddled with the whole black and whiteness, and tried to reboot it, but i'll try it out for ya
edit : Well all my other options stayed, eccept the Effects, it reverts back to normal.
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R1ptide said:
Yes please do
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Check this camera mod out. I can confirm this works with our phones
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1104051
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Check this camera mod out. I can confirm this works with our phones
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1104051
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Thank you!, I can't wait to try it out when i Root my phone.
Did the 1080p get fixed I'm in Fi27 blukuban ,and the 1080p is not zoomed in anymore.
Edit, my bad I must of zoomed its still the same. I must of zoomed in the 720 then compared it , so I tricked myself
One thing I find very annoying is the frame rate temporarily freezing during panning. To say its annoying is an understatement. It drives me crazy! Even qbking's 1080p video test of the note 2 is horribly affected by it. I don't remember if my 4s did it but you couldn't change the resolution at all with it and it certainly didn't look like full res on a 1080p TV. I think it might have had the stutters too but not as bad as these phones. I loved the audio gain circuit in that phone. It wasn't easily over driven like Samsung phones are. Those where the few things I liked about it, everything else was a pita.
Right now the 1080p video bitrate is bordering max 10mbps, which is quite low and shows artifacts / blur in fast moving scenes. The 720p video is even worse @ around 5-6mbps.
A workaround now is to use the ICS Camera+ application and tick 2x bitrate. However watch the auto whitebalance settings since they give a purple hue. Set it manually.
This is a hopeful request to the OneX devs & modders to do their magic and squeeze more mbps as well as maybe lock a minimum FPS value so it doesn't drop to hell in low light and the expense of exposure.
i'd be happy with 720p @ 15mbps and [email protected], both at solid 30FPS
thanks in advance and vote for the feature!
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Right now the 1080p video bitrate is bordering max 10mbps, which is quite low and shows artifacts / blur in fast moving scenes. The 720p video is even worse @ around 5-6mbps.
A workaround now is to use the ICS Camera+ application and tick 2x bitrate. However watch the auto whitebalance settings since they give a purple hue. Set it manually.
This is a hopeful request to the OneX devs & modders (lee, baad, paul, monx & others) to do their magic and squeeze more mbps as well as maybe lock a minimum FPS value so it doesn't drop to hell in low light and the expense of exposure.
i'd be happy with 720p @ 15mbps and [email protected], both at solid 30FPS
thanks in advance and vote for the feature!
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media_profiles.xml and Camera.apk are the place to look for improvements.
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media_profiles.xml and Camera.apk are the place to look for improvements.
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community would be grateful if you can help work this out!
Camera ICS + features like background and face effects don't work for me shame too, they look like fun!
they should also tweak the camera in order for it not to compress the pictures so much! HTC's stock camera app produces pictures that are twice smaller than pictures taken with other camera apps (or with a common 8mp camera) with no effects nor anything
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media_profiles.xml and Camera.apk are the place to look for improvements.
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i tried playing around with the XML to no avail...they key is in the APK.
bumping this hopefully someone can take some time to figure it out....
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i tried playing around with the XML to no avail...they key is in the APK.
bumping this hopefully someone can take some time to figure it out....
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Hox has a image processor so I'm guessing that will need to be flashed, or bypassed.
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zerozoneice said:
Right now the 1080p video bitrate is bordering max 10mbps, which is quite low and shows artifacts / blur in fast moving scenes. The 720p video is even worse @ around 5-6mbps.
A workaround now is to use the ICS Camera+ application and tick 2x bitrate. However watch the auto whitebalance settings since they give a purple hue. Set it manually.
This is a hopeful request to the OneX devs & modders to do their magic and squeeze more mbps as well as maybe lock a minimum FPS value so it doesn't drop to hell in low light and the expense of exposure.
i'd be happy with 720p @ 15mbps and [email protected], both at solid 30FPS
thanks in advance and vote for the feature!
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Not only video, but still quality too.
In order of priority:
* Fix the frame rate issues first (dropped frames are VERY distracting; currently video stutters badly)
* Provide adjustable image compression levels including a very high quality mode. (Raw would be even better, but I doubt they'd consider that.)
* Provide adjustable video compression levels including a very high quality mode.
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Hox has a image processor so I'm guessing that will need to be flashed, or bypassed.
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don't think that's the case because we have seen 2 alternatives that increase bitrate just with a modified APK:
- ICS Camera - still some quality (purple hues) issues in resulting videos + cannot select 1080p
- NoDo-GT's beta which is currently frozen with no download available
seems the limitation is in the recording profile used: [email protected] / 10mbps
the SGS3 (and the SGS2 for that matter) uses [email protected] / 17mbps.
Source:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25693754&postcount=108
[8] Video: SGS3 is clear winner here. HOX does not record in High profile. It records at mere 10 Mbps Baseline whereas SGS3 does High Profile recording at 17 Mbps.
Maybe now with the kernel source released someone can work out some magic.....fingers crossed.
While compression is too high and bitrate is too low, there also one very important issue - fps. I tested again and again and again, the stock camera can only take video up to 23-24 fps, while using camera ics I can do 29-30 fps. This proves that the low fps of the stock camera is not limited by hardware. An update to the camera is needed...
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While compression is too high and bitrate is too low, there also one very important issue - fps. I tested again and again and again, the stock camera can only take video up to 23-24 fps, while using camera ics I can do 29-30 fps. This proves that the low fps of the stock camera is not limited by hardware. An update to the camera is needed...
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Far more important than the maximum FPS is that it's steady. If there are no frames dropped, your eyes very quickly get used to a lower frame rate. If it keeps spiking up and down between high frame rate and loads of dropped frames, though, that's impossible to get used to.
Check my vedio
The quality is very bad!!!
Recorded by htc one x firmware 1.28
Not only the fram rate and image quality also the sound is very aweful.
You can notice the camera are always re focus and blur.
Watch this you will get my point
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yst4ImxjRzI
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Far more important than the maximum FPS is that it's steady. If there are no frames dropped, your eyes very quickly get used to a lower frame rate. If it keeps spiking up and down between high frame rate and loads of dropped frames, though, that's impossible to get used to.
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But when you do an comparasion between 24 and 30 using the SAME H1X, you can see the different...
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I didn't say you couldn't see the difference between at all, just that it wasn't as damaging to frame rate perception as all the dropped frames, which are a far more important issue.
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zer151 said:
Check my vedio
The quality is very bad!!!
Recorded by htc one x firmware 1.28
Not only the fram rate and image quality also the sound is very aweful.
You can notice the camera are always re focus and blur.
Watch this you will get my point
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yst4ImxjRzI
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The mixture of low light and alternating colours would tax any camera let alone a phone camera. Used in decent lighting the quality is decent enough and doesn't lose focus like that
knoxploration said:
I didn't say you couldn't see the difference between at all, just that it wasn't as damaging to frame rate perception as all the dropped frames, which are a far more important issue.
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Ok, let me rephrase... I would expect such hardware to be able to do 30fps constantly
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I am working on something here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1642777
Albert Poon said:
Ok, let me rephrase... I would expect such hardware to be able to do 30fps constantly
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Agree completely.
I hope nodo-gt starts working on modded camera for the one x again. I think the camera for the sensation is up to 40mbps now.
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Hello,
Im looking to upgrade my Nexus 5 and ive been going through lots and lots of reviews, videos, pictures of many of the new phones out right now. Z5, S6, Nexus 5X.
I really like the Nexus 5X despite some of it shortcomings but one thing i REALLY have a hard time accepting is how shaky the picture is when recording video compared to iphone 6s, Sony Z5 and others.
Here is a video showing it against the Moto X pure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_zth08zFLw
The Nexus 5x i horrible Is that something we will just have to accept because it lacks OIS or is it possible to fix software wise in a camera update or using a 3rd party camera app. I must say that in its current form its unusable.
Regards
Jacob
indeed it is shaky...
haven't tried it but this one has video stabilization - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.opencamera
Maybe someone with a nexus 5x could try opencamera to record a video and post the result?
Yeah I was hoping 1080p would at least get decent software stability. It has enough pixels for it. ?
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Does anyone know? Anyone tried opencamera?
Just my $.02. It was my understanding from the Launch event that it doesn't have image stabilization. Something about how it didn't need it with the upgraded light gathering capability of the camera.
The Moto X pure doesn't have OIS either, it's done in software
I'll just splurge for a gimbal. LOL
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gomylle said:
Does anyone know? Anyone tried opencamera?
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Just tried it and it seems decent. Good thing is that OpenCamera properly implements the sensor orientation detection, so the preview and resulting files are correct. It has experimental support for Camera 2 API, which needs to be enabled in order to expose the EIS setting.
At high resolution (4k), there's significant lag that's recorded in the videos with the EIS enabled. Google did say the 808 couldn't handle it; maybe they weren't just blowing smoke?
At 1080p, it seems to help reduce the shakiness by a fair amount; it's no OIS replacement for sure, but I'd say better than not having anything.
Funny how google said larger pixels negated the need for OIS. Did anyone really believe them? Did HTC not try the super mega sized pixels before?
Evo_Shift said:
Funny how google said larger pixels negated the need for OIS. Did anyone really believe them? Did HTC not try the super mega sized pixels before?
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From pics I saw it does fine without OIS. But videos would have benefited. And yes they coined it as "ultra-pixels".
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Look at this. Amazing:
http://www.frequency.com/video/nexus-5x-stabilized-4k-footage-using/244831773?cid=5-9852
Hi
Evo_Shift said:
Funny how google said larger pixels negated the need for OIS. Did anyone really believe them? Did HTC not try the super mega sized pixels before?
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OIS is only really of benefit for photos at shutter speeds less than 1/60th second, unless you have a zoom lens, where it is helpful at higher shutter speeds, as the more you are zoomed, the more amplified any body shake is. For smartphones with their wide angle view, camera shake is not too much of a problem for most typical situations, and any daytime scene OIS is completely pointless as the shutter speed is plenty high enough to freeze out any camera shake. The larger pixels help as the ISO can be higher without too much noise meaning a faster shutter speed can be used.
For video the situation is different as images are taken over time, so it's the movement in camera position between each picture that needs to smoothed, although the fashion these days on most documentaries and TV shows is to deliberately shake the camera around until it's a nauseating mess with whip zooms into the mix Still it's a good indicator I find for knowing the program is trash and not worth watching :victory:
OIS in smart phones helps a little with video, but the tiny lens optics and limited movement means they don't do nearly as well as a dedicated camcorder with OIS, which gives some amazing results. The link to the stablised 5X video is using a $300 device, so if anyone is that serious about their smart phone video, then for that money we might as well take a much bigger step in image quality and convenience and features and get a dedicated camcorder.
The elephant in the room with the Nexus 6P is EIS, this is the poor mans image stabilizer, yes it does help stabilize the video to a certain degree, but to do this it has to crop the image. It appears to be doing this the cheap way in software (hence needing the powerful chip), taking a 1080P video, then zooming into so it can have a window of view to pan around in, this means the resulting video has less resolution, see the clips here https://youtu.be/HV4rcFuUlUc?t=246 and compare the detail between the two, there is a drop in resolution on the 6P. Better EIS systems capture a larger image at the sensor, then would track and pan a 1920x1080 window across it so no resolution drop, but that requires more low level work with the camera hardware and dedicated chips to do a good job.
Record a 1080P video with the 5X, upload to YouTube and get it to apply stabilization and it will do the same thing, may even turn out better than the 6P EIS as it doesn't need to be done in real time so a bit more care can be taken.
Will the 6P stabilize 4K video? I somehow doubt it has the power to do that, so for 4K it's an even playing field between the two.
Regards
Phil
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Record a 1080P video with the 5X, upload to YouTube and get it to apply stabilization and it will do the same thing, may even turn out better than the 6P EIS as it doesn't need to be done in real time so a bit more care can be taken.
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Hmm, aren't those phones using the much higher resolution of the sensor (at least about 4k) to stabilize the video by changing the captured frame on the sensor corresponding to the phones movement? At least i thought that's the reasoning why this works only up to 1080p (which would be preserved, in that case).
I think this could be quite useful for the next Nexus http://techcrunch.com/2015/01/09/imint-wants-to-bring-real-time-video-stabilization-to-android/
Using Galaxy S20+ for about 2 weeks but noticed the HDR processing of the camera is very bad & everything in the sky is very over exposed and blown out. Every time taking a picture in indoor having a window on the shoot ether the sky on outside is very blown out or there is no light in room & some time both happens together. I'm wondering is there any HDR mechanism at all in the camera?
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Using Galaxy S20+ for about 2 weeks but noticed the HDR processing of the camera is very bad & everything in the sky is very over exposed and blown out. Every time taking a picture in indoor having a window on the shoot ether the sky on outside is very blown out or there is no light in room & some time both happens together. I'm wondering is there any HDR mechanism at all in the camera?
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If you mean by the white tint at the curtain, thats the glare from the light on the camera lens. Can't be avoided by software.
I'm the old days, hdr is obtained by taking the same shot with higher exposure setting, normal exposure setting and lower exposure setting and combine all 3 into one.
In modern camera, it is done automatically and usually only up and down a few steps.
Unfortunately for your case, it require more than just a few steps. The brightness difference is just too great between outside and inside.
If you really want to take those unimpressive shots, what you can do is focus outside and set the exposure for outside. Then switch on the flash and use it as fill in flash. The shot will come out better.
But honestly try to take something better.
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I'm taking about the blown out sky.
It's because the camera is exposing for the dark interior, and the sky outside is far too bright for even HDR to compensate for.
As mentioned, you can set the exposure for the sky outside, and use a fill flash to bring up the brightness of the room you're in.
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I'm taking about the blown out sky.
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Yes. That's what I meant.
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Are you sure you have the hdr activated? Exynos are known to be better than the snapdragon regarding hdr, and it works flawless on my ultra.
nyttnick said:
Are you sure you have the hdr activated? Exynos are known to be better than the snapdragon regarding hdr, and it works flawless on my ultra.
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HDR was activated & seen many phones handle this situation better than this. All the current Huawei, apple, Google or even oneplus phone has much better HDR processing than this
Mine s20 ultra exynos hav much better hdr than that. Think youre phone is faulty.
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HDR was activated & seen many phones handle this situation better than this. All the current Huawei, apple, Google or even oneplus phone has much better HDR processing than this
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There is no hdr in the world that can salvage that unless you do it manually or use an dslr and adjust the steps to larger steps.
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Note this isn't a bash the pixel 6 or google post. It's just my initial impressions with only a couple of shortish video samples.
I took the P6P out yesterday and put it in a mount next to a GP9. I went out to the trail and recorded sections of footage with runs and walk sections.
It was full sun for the most part, no clouds to speak of, at 1:00 p.m. (ish).
The results were... lets say interesting. I can't share the footage unfortunately, it was BF and gorgeous weather here so no one was working or in school and there were families all over the place and I don't post videos with minors in them. I'll have to go back out on Monday during the day when there won't be any one around.
Pixel 6 Pro settings - 4k/30 Active mode stabilization, exposure and color set to auto adjust (defaults)
GoPro 9 - 4k/30, flat color profile, white balance 5000, ISO 100/1600, Sharpness Low, Shutter speed Auto, bitrate High (100mbps), EV -0.5, Hypersmooth Boost+Horizon Lock.
Both were left to record out to HEVC format.
The GP9 settings are my default trail running settings. For me 1gb of space was used on the P6P in roughly 7:30 so to make for easy comparisons I checked the same 7.5 minutes storage burn rate on the GP9.
7.5 minutes of 4k30 on the P6P consumed 1.07gb of space.
7.5 minutes of 4K30 on the GP9 consumed 5.50gb of space.
That puts the P6P with an effective about 20mbps bitrate, at least for this one sample.
Pulling the footage into DaVinci the Pixel footage and putting them side by side, initial impressions -
P6P was obviously sharper since the AI is doing that on the fly. I'd like to see an option to turn this off as I prefer to handle it myself in post but I find it acceptable. Adding 0.44 sharpness in DaVinci to the GP9 brought the two by eye pretty close.
The color space between the two was visibly reasonably close to each other which I liked. In at least this footage there's room to color grade the P6P footage, it's not blown out or over saturated like I get with the GP's native color profile. I could probably use the same grading on both footages with only minor tweaks to merge them somewhat transparently in the same comp.
I noticed a bit of exposure and color wobble at times on the P6P footage. I think auto exposure and color needs to be turned off on the P6P if you're at all going to do any color grading or post work on the footage.
The lens flares on the P6P were noticeably worse than the GP9.
A major complaint I have right now is the P6P footage seems like it would just randomly pick something to focus on and shift the video off to the side. There are a couple of spots it was like I had the two devices on different mounts and was pointing the P6P off to the side of the trail. It was bad enough at first I thought, "did the phone mount loosen up on me and I didn't notice it?" But then it would correct itself and 'aim forward' again.
There were also what I can only assume are frame drops or weird focus choices as there are a few places that look like jump cuts were done on the P6P footage or the AI jumped around the sensor to focus on something else.
There's also signs of the jello'ing in the P6P from time to time.
Overall, without updates/tweaks or opening up some values for user control, I don't think the P6P is going to become my primary recording device on ultra runs unfortunately. Which is a shame as that's why I bought the 512.
For less motion heavy recording like walking/running on technical trail this may not be an issue.
I'll have to see if there are alternate camera apps or putting the P6P on a gimbal and turning stabilization on the phone off. If DJI would ever get the OM5 working 100% with newer androids (P4 is the last official supported Pixel) then that might make for a solid combination. Or wait for updates.
And there's also the incredibly annoying issue of "No you can't turn off the screen while recording because perverts." problem with mobile devices which also adds to the power burn problem. There needs to be some quick way to drop the screen brightness down to 0 while recording IMO.
Other points, 4K/30 video burns through the power as well, more than I like. I started around 68%, finished with 34% but to be fair while I only recorded about 12-15 minutes total footage, I took a crap ton of pictures out on the trails so I don't have a solid idea yet of exactly how bad the burn is going to be. Nor what the impact of setting the display to it's lowest possible brightness will do to help with that.
Also to be fair my Garmin live track was running for the entire 3 hours of the run and there was crappy cell service in that area. But that's the normal for what I wanted to use it for.
Once I have footage I'm okay with posting publicly I'll throw up a side by side view in case someone finds it interesting or helpful.
I don't usually take video, but on a couple of occasions I tried to, it was unusable. Granted, I tried to zoom in at 4x on both tries, and the results were so pixelated and overprocessed, that the footage was unwatchable on anything larger than a phone.
Thats because Google stupidly don't use the 4x telephoto on video. It's a crop.
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I don't usually take video, but on a couple of occasions I tried to, it was unusable. Granted, I tried to zoom in at 4x on both tries, and the results were so pixelated and overprocessed, that the footage was unwatchable on anything larger than a phone.
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MacGuy2006 said:
I don't usually take video, but on a couple of occasions I tried to, it was unusable. Granted, I tried to zoom in at 4x on both tries, and the results were so pixelated and overprocessed, that the footage was unwatchable on anything larger than a phone.
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Thats because Google stupidly don't use the 4x telephoto on video. It's a crop.
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That's where your wrong
It uses the telephoto but only if your using 4K30fps
@Ultimoose the P6P uses 43mbs for 4k30 and 62/63mbs for 4K60
Already tested it before and checked mediainfo for bitrates
Quick question from a noobie: why not using 4k/60fps but only 4k/30fps?
I think comparing GoPro 9 video results to a smartphone video results is setting the P6P up for failure.
The GoProv9 (I have the Hero * Black) is solely built to be an active sport recoding device, nothing else.
The P6P is a smartphone that offers the ability to capture video, which I'm pretty sure wasn't designed around mountain biking, trail running, or active outdoor sporting.
Even if the comparison was sitting at a table filled with friends using these two devices; one is specifically designed to capture video, and one has a video capturing feature.
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I think comparing GoPro 9 video results to a smartphone video results is setting the P6P up for failure.
The GoProv9 (I have the Hero * Black) is solely built to be an active sport recoding device, nothing else.
The P6P is a smartphone that offers the ability to capture video, which I'm pretty sure wasn't designed around mountain biking, trail running, or active outdoor sporting.
Even if the comparison was sitting at a table filled with friends using these two devices; one is specifically designed to capture video, and one has a video capturing feature.
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I just tried shooting a horse show on video. Experimenting with different settings. Didn't turn out that great. Lol. I told girlfriend I need pro equipment
Utini said:
Quick question from a noobie: why not using 4k/60fps but only 4k/30fps?
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the 4X telephoto zoom works only with 4K30 but it works very wel
though honestly could be a software limitation
Some nice zoom today in the cold (looks better in 4k once processing finishes)
Golf c said:
I just tried shooting a horse show on video. Experimenting with different settings. Didn't turn out that great. Lol. I told girlfriend I need pro equipment
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I'm a pretty aggressive mountain biker and the GoPro hero 8 black is amazing at video stabilization.
Biggest issue with the GoPro imho is the inaccurate depth perception. Not sure if you meant video horse shows while on a horse or on a static mount.
Az Biker said:
I'm a pretty aggressive mountain biker and the GoPro hero 8 black is amazing at video stabilization.
Biggest issue with the GoPro imho is the inaccurate depth perception. Not sure if you meant video horse shows while on a horse or on a static mount.
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I was sitting in chair watching. No mount. Auto focus and the horse's motion were glitchy. Still learning those video settings. I had people's heads in front of me and horses in background. The focus on people's heads were perfect. Lol. Maybe turn off auto focus and do manual?
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I was sitting in chair watching. No mount. Auto focus and the horse's motion were glitchy. Still learning those video settings. I had people's heads in front of me and horses in background. The focus on people's heads were perfect. Lol. Maybe turn off auto focus and do manual?
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if you look in bottom right corner and select the hand there are 4 different stabilisation options
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Izy said:
if you look in bottom right corner and select the hand there are 4 different stabilisation options
(some affect resolution)
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I tried them all. Experimenting. I shot a bunch of stuff. Have to go through it and see what is what.
Found the issue with only seeing 20mbps bit rate. With Active mode stabilization you lose the ability to shoot in 4k/30, it drops to 1080P/30 (technically 28.7 and 28.6 in two different clips so it's not quite the normal). This is a personally painful limitation for me.
So if you want active motion video you either settle for 1080P, less stabilization or use a gimbal as of right now. Except DJI doesn't fully support the P6P / Android 12. Just mostly works.
Side note, the DJI Fly app doesn't work at all on the P6 (or android 12 to be fair). DJI's current official recommendation is to find a phone that their app works on.
The joys of early adopter.
Utini said:
Quick question from a noobie: why not using 4k/60fps but only 4k/30fps?
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Depends on the recording device. On a GoPro 4k/60 and 4k/30 both use 100mbps (with high bitrate selected) to record the video/audio. In order to fit 60 frames per second into the same storage space as 30frames per second the GP uses higher compression which results in lower amount of data per frame. i.e. 4k/60 is lower visual quality than 4k/30. And 4k/24 would be slightly higher quality than 4k/30 but the Pixel doesn't record in 24.
I only use 4k/60 for clips I specifically intend to slow down in post personally.
I captured some more footage and rendering it out now. I'm going to have to say the Pixel 6 suffers in comparison at 1080/30 with Active stabilization. To anything that records video in some respects, not just against a GoPro.
For example: There are frequent freezes where the Pixel's video records the same frame over several frames, I've counted as high as 10 frames of a static image being recorded. This results in what looks like a jump cut transition when it catches back up. This happened several times in the first few minutes of the recording and the outside temp was around 45F which should rule out an overheating issue. Notably the phone recorded the entire 32 ish minute run without shutting down.
The focal point (not focus) drifts pretty badly as well at times. There are spots where it literally looks like the pixel is aimed off the side of the trail while the GP is aimed straight forward with both on the same mount. The camera appears to be shifting which portion of the sensor it's recording from not in a good way. I'm familiar with active stabilization artifacting from this kind of movement, I've owned or own every GP except the 1 so I've seen how EIS has grown and matured over time but the P6's drift and yo yo'ing is not pretty at times.
The jello effect is also noticeable as is the exposure shift although not OMG this sucks kind of way, it's more a ugh, that's ugly kind of way.
The above may be issues with the Active mode stabilization. I wasn't expecting it to be this janky or I'd of recorded other segments with EIS set to 'light' and 'cinematic'. The 'locked' mode which I assume means no stabilization would only be of any use mounted to a stationary tripod or possibly a gimbal.
Once the render finishes, uploads and the full resolution is available I'll post a link. It'll be a few hours at best as YT takes forever to provide the 4k format for me.
Side note, the Active stabilization when it's working seems solid, I'll need to see the rendered side by side but in my editor it's making a solid showing going up against the GP9's Linear+HL+Boost combo.
Nice...very curious to see your results. And thanks for explaining all this!