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Will copy & paste / text editing ever be half decent on the S3 or Android in general?

Will copy & paste / text editing ever be half decent on the S3 or Android in general?
I switched fromy my iPhone 4S to a T-999 and I've been imcreasingly frustrated with the copy & paste system throughout ICS (stock). Some apps don't seem to use the same clip board so I end up having to just type more because it doesn't paste what I copied. Too often it's fristrating to even select a specific portion of text. Even pasting into apps like the YouTube app that Google developed themselves is hit and miss. And no undo function?? Arr. I'm almost considering going back to iPhone because it seems to take an extra 20 steps to do things on my S3 that were a very brief process on my iPhone. I still hate Apple's lack of expanability, built in battery small screen, doesn't work with most of t-mobile's 4g currently, etc. but for such basic functions it can become a nightmare on my S3! Maybe I need to carry 2 phones for the next year or so? Any ideas? Hopeful insights?

salils said:
I switched fromy my iPhone 4S to a T-999 and I've been imcreasingly frustrated with the copy & paste system throughout ICS (stock). Some apps don't seem to use the same clip board so I end up having to just type more because it doesn't paste what I copied. Too often it's fristrating to even select a specific portion of text. Even pasting into apps like the YouTube app that Google developed themselves is hit and miss. And no undo function?? Arr. because it seems to take an extra 20 steps to do things on my S3 that were a very brief process on my iPhone.
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'I'm almost considering going back to iPhone"..... Done in less than 5 seconds! The clipboard should pop up in every txt input. I'm not sure why it wouldn't since it's a system app or feature. Undo function? Just hit the backspace. It might be a hassle if you paste a long paragraph or such. I see what your saying.
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chrisram88 said:
'I'm almost considering going back to iPhone"..... Done in less than 5 seconds! The clipboard should pop up in every txt input. I'm not sure why it wouldn't since it's a system app or feature. Undo function? Just hit the backspace. It might be a hassle if you paste a long paragraph or such. I see what your saying.
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Yeah, worse though, is whenyou try to backspace this paragraph and you hold down the backspace a little too long and ending up losing some text you didn't mean to lose because it speeds up after holding down the backspace button a while. Forgot to mention, keyboard is also laggy in 1st party apps more often (and not doing anything especially processor intensive) than seems reasonable and the netflix app...omg is that the opposite of fluid. And I can't seem to understand why Samsung thinks it's good to have a flagship device's screen have the contrast cranked up 1000% These aren't as big of issues for me as unreliable text editing but are still areas that iOS has pretty much had down from the beginning.
Sorry if I sound like an Apple fanboy, I just like to use what is flexible abd gets the job done, not promote a cult. Sure it might take a few extra taps at times to do something on Android because more options are available, but when it consisitently takes significant additional time to do seemingly simple functions on a smart phone, it's hard to justify it becomes a functionality problem, not just being "less pretty" than Apple's offering.

Hahaha guilty! I don't copy or paste much so I haven't looked into 3rd party apps. Check the play store. You might find a good app.
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I just Swype to copy and paste. Like Swype+c Swype+v. Swype+a to select all
Clicking Swype highlights the word and I delete/replace that way. There are some keyboards that has some cool functionalities that makes typing and editing easier. I don't remember which ones though because I'm so use to my Swype.
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There are also apps on the market which help with clipboard functions. Like clipper +
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I feel really guilty this morning.. I got an email with a docx that had a link in it and no matter how far I zoomed I couldn't click it or copy it to paste it or anything. I opened my iPad and had it open within seconds, and now I'm posting this from my iPad. :crying:

It was much worse on older versions of Android before they made those little blue arrow-tab thingies that you drag to select.
At this point, aside from not liking how "locked down" Apple is with their phone/Apps the only reason I can think of that I wouldn't like using an iPhone 5 is I HAVE to have swype.
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I just Swype to copy and paste. Like Swype+c Swype+v. Swype+a to select all. Clicking Swype highlights the word and I delete/replace that way. There are some keyboards that has some cool functionalities that makes typing and editing easier. I don't remember which ones though because I'm so use to my Swype.
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I thought the Galaxy S3 is awesome, I love it - but - Swype seems to be glitchy Sometimes it won't let me backspace, I try to delete letters or a word and it just KEEPS putting in a word I don't want. It's like having an "annoyotron" built into my phone Sometimes when I press backspace, it keeps jumping to the front of the input screen but leaves the words!
But the single most annoying think about Android phones?: You can't multi-touch multi-select a bunch of emails - WTF?!? If I've got 15 or 150 emails I want to select to delete/move why the ^&@#$*! to I have to select each one individually???!?!? BlackBerry let me multi-touch multi-select quickly and easily and this was YEARS ago! And there does not even seem to be an alternate solution such as "shift-click" to multi-select the way you would in Windows either?
I expect each new version of Android will make incremental improvements to text editing/input. Maybe somebody will make an awesome notepad type program with slick and user friendly text input/editing which would then have a menu item that lets you use it as an email editor also?
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I feel really guilty this morning.. I got an email with a docx that had a link in it and no matter how far I zoomed I couldn't click it or copy it to paste it or anything. I opened my iPad and had it open within seconds, and now I'm posting this from my iPad. :crying:
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I remember when I first tried an iPhone it would not let me click links in an email and I thought I should never bother picking one up again. Also I was told that there was no cut-and-paste on early iPhones?

critofur said:
But the single most annoying think about Android phones?: You can't multi-touch multi-select a bunch of emails - WTF?!? If I've got 15 or 150 emails I want to select to delete/move why the ^&@#$*! to I have to select each one individually???!?!? BlackBerry let me multi-touch multi-select quickly and easily and this was YEARS ago! And there does not even seem to be an alternate solution such as "shift-click" to multi-select the way you would in Windows either?
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I can multi select emails and delete multiple items at once. What app are you using? There is a box you can check

critofur said:
It was much worse on older versions of Android before they made those little blue arrow-tab thingies that you drag to select.
At this point, aside from not liking how "locked down" Apple is with their phone/Apps the only reason I can think of that I wouldn't like using an iPhone 5 is I HAVE to have swype.
I thought the Galaxy S3 is awesome, I love it - but - Swype seems to be glitchy Sometimes it won't let me backspace, I try to delete letters or a word and it just KEEPS putting in a word I don't want. It's like having an "annoyotron" built into my phone Sometimes when I press backspace, it keeps jumping to the front of the input screen but leaves the words!
But the single most annoying think about Android phones?: You can't multi-touch multi-select a bunch of emails - WTF?!? If I've got 15 or 150 emails I want to select to delete/move why the ^&@#$*! to I have to select each one individually???!?!? BlackBerry let me multi-touch multi-select quickly and easily and this was YEARS ago! And there does not even seem to be an alternate solution such as "shift-click" to multi-select the way you would in Windows either?
I expect each new version of Android will make incremental improvements to text editing/input. Maybe somebody will make an awesome notepad type program with slick and user friendly text input/editing which would then have a menu item that lets you use it as an email editor also?
I remember when I first tried an iPhone it would not let me click links in an email and I thought I should never bother picking one up again. Also I was told that there was no cut-and-paste on early iPhones?
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Yeah I don't have that problem with Swype beta... actually never had problems with it.... maybe fingers are too fat? lol
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Keyboard that does autocorrect with S-Notes?

Maybe I am missing something but I can't get the autocorrect feature on any of my keyboards (including Swiftkey) to work inside S-Notes.
Did Samsung design this to actually disable any autocorrect on any keyboard? Why would they do that?
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Wow, 149 views and no one has any idea?
Is it actually possible that Samsung has intentionally disabled autocorrect by ANY keyboard in S-Notes? I love Samsung hardware but on the software side they continually make choices which confound. It's not that they write bad software. It's that they seem to PURPOSEFULLY make choices which harm the user. For instance, how hard would it be to give users the ability to create and save their own templates? How about typing styles? It would be incredibly simple yet they choose not to.
I am beginning to think Samsung hired the same guy who decided getting rid of the Start Button in Windows 8 was a brilliant idea to run their software development as well.
** Or it could be that Samsung's idea of "Customer Feedback" is an utterly lame Facebook page that looks like it is manned by high school students? They don't even have Forums for God's sake! S-Notes could have been a OneNote killer yet they just sort of said, "Nah, let's make it suck instead..."
Frustrated. S-Notes has been out for a while now and apparently they have no intention of improving it.

I never looked into it because I don't like autuocorrect. But I would checked either in the keyboard or language settings. It's probably something you just need to turn on.

I guess I'm not understanding exactly what you want. I use the stock Samsung keyboard and the Kii keyboard from the play store and they both have the suggested words pop up and try to correct my spelling when I either type things out using the keyboard or use the s pen in handwriting mode using the s note app. I'm on stock deodexed MA7. What are you wanting it to do?

he wants autocorrect where it automatically makes corrections even if he doesn't use the suggested words.

Same here!... I thought Swiftkey would mend this problem, but it DIDN'T !!!!
So only in S-Note even Swiftkey refuses to give suggestions and/ or autocorrection.
I'm really angry, 'cause I sort of planned on using it.
But since it already got on my nerves, that I constantly had to change from drawing mode to keyboard input whenever I opened a note, although the pen was not drawn(!), it's probably time to look into another app.

Minuum Keyboard for Android (Beta)

Here is a copy of Minuum Keyboard (Beta) for Android...it is a completely and totally free app in Beta stage right now...Enjoy....
www.minuum.com for all the info you need about the keyboard and screenshots/videos of it in action

Let me know if Google drive link is not working I tried to fix the sharing settings

Thanks.
Had to download using laptop since dropbox links don't seem to work on my phone.
I've gotten so use to gesture typing that this method seems a little backwards.
It does have potential, hopefully the full version is more fluid like.
Hope swiping words if supported, since I like how compact the keyboard layout is.
Entering the word "gesture" was not registering at all until I manually typed it by holding the right letters.
Also having to apply space after each word shouldn't be needed, the delay after I type each word should be enough to justify its a new word.

good job..
gonna try it
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This is amazing! i was waiting for this!

Thread closed for now
This Beta is not yet public.

Is the pen mightier than the keyboard...

Well, for fun I'd thought I'd compare whether I write faster with the pen or using a keyboard. So I compared using the
Note pen, typing on keyboard, and using swipe. First, a few caveats. I'm pretty slow at typing and I don't use swipe
much. I also made lots or errors (too much pressure on me I guess...) with each approach but didn't
penalize time. I'm sure I'd improve with practice but thought I'd just present my results and others can describe their own experience.
Feel free to suggest how to improve comparison as what I tried is full of flaws to be a real fair measure of performance..
For the comparison, I decided to see how many words from the Gettysburg Address I could type in one minute. For this test I used the
new beta swipe keyboard that has popped up lately in these threads. My results were for one minute each:
Pen 30 words
typing 25
swipe 20
So from this limited study I'm writing a little faster using the pen. I was not completely surprised with this result as I had an "inkling" about
this in the past... A victory for the pen! But wait... I also noticed there is a voice dictation option on the keyboard.
Well, it only took me 20 seconds to dictate 30 words with clearly far fewer errors (for me). So in this case the pens glory was fleeting!

I find that I make FAR more mistakes with the pen input. I'm just not a good enough writer to use it I guess. Sometimes it takes me too long to write a word, and it posts up unfinished words. Sometimes it just doesn't like my writing.
I find that I use voice dictation quite a bit. I don't care how people think I look. It's a very good experience. Keyboard is pretty middle of the road.

Personally I'm faster with the keyboard and I make fewer errors on keyboard. I like having instant access to numbers and punctuation as well. I just like the basic keyboard, no autocorrect, no auto capitalization, no prediction, just keys with letters and numbers on them. My input method of choice is Hacker's Keyboard - it's basic and functional. It has a 5 row QWERTY layout with number row, punctuation, and arrow keys which make going back to correct misspellings easy and fast. I haven't messed with handwriting recognition on the Note 3 but previous attempts at using handwriting recognition software were less than impressive - my handwriting is pretty sloppy and I don't get much practice outside of signing my name these days. I think I type faster than I can speak, let alone write, at least on a real keyboard. Nowhere near as fast on a touch keyboard but still am pretty fast with two thumb typing.
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CalcProgrammer1 said:
Personally I'm faster with the keyboard and I make fewer errors on keyboard. I like having instant access to numbers and punctuation as well. I just like the basic keyboard, no autocorrect, no auto capitalization, no prediction, just keys with letters and numbers on them. My input method of choice is Hacker's Keyboard - it's basic and functional. It has a 5 row QWERTY layout with number row, punctuation, and arrow keys which make going back to correct misspellings easy and fast. I haven't messed with handwriting recognition on the Note 3 but previous attempts at using handwriting recognition software were less than impressive - my handwriting is pretty sloppy and I don't get much practice outside of signing my name these days. I think I type faster than I can speak, let alone write, at least on a real keyboard. Nowhere near as fast on a touch keyboard but still am pretty fast with two thumb typing.
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Hacker's keyboard is still my mainstay as well although I think it's layout could be improved without sacrificing the keys (I often need Ctrl tab and esc).
For some reason the left hand side of the keyboard is not quite right. The left most key on the number row with the characters ` and ~ is too small.
Is that the case with your keyboard? Maybe there is a setting I can change? Hackers keyboard looked perfect on my Note 1 as it is a little wider than the Note 3.
One thing that might hold back my typing is that my flip cover can make my Note 3 a little awkward to hold and type.
Anyways, for writing long notes, email or even some texts, my experience with the pen has been quite good. When I pull out the pen and bring it near the screen,
a little square appears that when I tap creates a memo pad. The pen works very well with this memo pad. Indeed making corrections is also very easy as you just
draw a line through what you want to remove. It also does a pretty good job of recognizing both my printing and cursive.
Anyways, for fun, you might try a quantitative comparison. Who knows, you might find a surprising result!

The pen is good for 2 things writing if your in a turbulent situation like traveling and for taking notes on a call that's it.
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diamantericos said:
The pen is good for 2 things writing if your in a turbulent situation like traveling and for taking notes on a call that's it.
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Gosh! Only 2? There must be a third thing. Anybody?

mscion said:
Gosh! Only 2? There must be a third thing. Anybody?
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Cleaning the wax out of thy ears?
But seriously, I have horrible hand writting and hardly have any errors when I am using the pen. Try using swype with the pen, now thats something totally different.
Anyways put me down as a pen lover.

I like to write with the pen and find that it works quite well for me. I usually use it to swype because it's easier than activating the handwriting panel. I also find that swype interferes with my entry with standard typing. Sometimes if I hover too low over the keyboard it thinks I'm swyping and enters an interesting combination of typos. The ear wax thing is also pretty useful.

Can no longer get word suggestions by clicking

I am pretty sure I haven't lost it and my memory is tricking me, but before some update or another if you were entering text in almost any app (SMS most notably) and got to the end of the piece of text and saw that word correction had put in a word you didn't want you could click on the word and the word prediction list would appear again and a simple click to change to another word???
I am not 100% sure when this functionality disappeared, must be at least 6 months ago. I thought it was just some glitch and was expecting it to return when resetting. Just did a reset (Android 5.0.1) and still nothing happens.
Drives me crazy, have to place the cursor after the word, delete it and re-type. It was so sweet before.
Please let me know if I am wrong - and if not is there any way to get this functionality back.

julesgilson said:
I am pretty sure I haven't lost it and my memory is tricking me, but before some update or another if you were entering text in almost any app (SMS most notably) and got to the end of the piece of text and saw that word correction had put in a word you didn't want you could click on the word and the word prediction list would appear again and a simple click to change to another word???
I am not 100% sure when this functionality disappeared, must be at least 6 months ago. I thought it was just some glitch and was expecting it to return when resetting. Just did a reset (Android 5.0.1) and still nothing happens.
Drives me crazy, have to place the cursor after the word, delete it and re-type. It was so sweet before.
Please let me know if I am wrong - and if not is there any way to get this functionality back.
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Try this! open messages, new message, to the left of the space bar hold comma, go to advanced and tick word prediction and next word prediction!

NornIron75 said:
Try this! open messages, new message, to the left of the space bar hold comma, go to advanced and tick word prediction and next word prediction!
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Appreciate your help. I think I have tried turning on and off every setting I can find related to word prediction/correction. nothing seems to help.
So do you have a M8 with 5.0.1 that does as I describe? I would really like to know if it is just my phone. Fixing it if it is must then be possible. If I imagined it, well then I can forget about it and seek other help

julesgilson said:
I am pretty sure I haven't lost it and my memory is tricking me, but before some update or another if you were entering text in almost any app (SMS most notably) and got to the end of the piece of text and saw that word correction had put in a word you didn't want you could click on the word and the word prediction list would appear again and a simple click to change to another word???
I am not 100% sure when this functionality disappeared, must be at least 6 months ago. I thought it was just some glitch and was expecting it to return when resetting. Just did a reset (Android 5.0.1) and still nothing happens.
Drives me crazy, have to place the cursor after the word, delete it and re-type. It was so sweet before.
Please let me know if I am wrong - and if not is there any way to get this functionality back.
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Hi, julesgilson...
My M8 is currently running Android 5.0.1/Sense 6, and although I don't use the stock HTC Sense keyboard, preferring instead to use Fleksy, I have noticed this annoying peculiarity with the Sense keyboard myself.
Here are some further observations...
With the stock Sense keyboard, a word is only correctable (with selectable alternatives) only as long as the word being typed remains HIGHLIGHTED. As soon as you hit the space bar, with the intention to type the next word, the HIGHLIGHT is gone, and the original word can no longer be corrected or alternatives suggested.
The HIGHLIGHT then shifts to the next word being typed, and with possible corrections and alternative suggestions for this new word.
Tracking back over a given paragraph (or even to just the last word) and manually highlighting a previously typed word, doesn't, as you might expect, provide any alternatives or spelling corrections.
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This behaviour is entirely at odds with 3rd party keyboards like SwiftKey, Swype and even Googles own keyboard, where ANY word in a given paragraph can be selected and corrections/alternatives suggested.
The stock Sense 6 keyboard under Lollipop 5.0.1 seems incapable of retrospectively correcting previously typed words!!!
I'm no programmer, but it seems to me, that the stock Sense keyboard is only capable of correcting a word while it remains in the 'buffer'... that is to say, while it's being typed and so long as it's highlighted.
The instant you move on to the next word (with the space bar), the word is 'forgotten' by the keyboard and can no longer be corrected or alternatives suggested.
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This sort of thing is difficult to describe, so I suggest you download Googles keyboard from PlayStore... type some random passage in Google Keep (or wherever) and then using Googles keyboard, randomly select a word in that passage and you will see that Googles keyboard correctly identifies the selected word, and suggests alternatives.
And then try the same experiment with the stock Sense keyboard...
Rgrds,
Ged.

Yes! That's exactly it - like you say pretty difficult to describe concisely. The strange thing is that it used to do it, possibly before Lollipop.
Now that someone else has confirmed it seems a general issue with the HTC keyboard I will give up trying to fix it and look for another keyboard.
Greatly appreciated.