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Looking for your opinion from original Note users...

I currently have the original Note running CM10. My phone is a work phone and I have the luxury of getting early upgrades from AT&T. They have offered me the phone at $199.00 if it want. You folks have been using your phones for a bit now, any original Note converts think it wasn't worth it and in hindsight don't see that much of an improvement?

Birdsfan said:
I currently have the original Note running CM10. My phone is a work phone and I have the luxury of getting early upgrades from AT&T. They have offered me the phone at $199.00 if it want. You folks have been using your phones for a bit now, any original Note converts think it wasn't worth it and in hindsight don't see that much of an improvement?
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Definitely worth it, especially for the increase in battery life.

sold my note1 havent looked back (i was running cm10)
oh and i sold it for $350.
the GN2 is so smooth...:highfive:

kirkla79 said:
Definitely worth it, especially for the increase in battery life.
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+1 for battery. last through the day note like the Note 1. smoother and better wise

I got lucky with a craiglist deal and got it earlier than I expected. I was going to wait for a coupke months. The biggest upgrade to me is the 2gb of ram.
If can wait for a better deal I would wait. Personally my excitement level wasnt as high as the original note. But all in all this is the best device on the market.
I owned a dna droid for about 2 weeks foe testing and htc in my opinion is still playing catchup and next to the note 2 its looks washed out specially if your a fan of amoled display.
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Sold my note1 for a nexus in july then sold my nexus for this. Best phone ever used.
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By far the best phone ever made in my opinion. The note 1 doesn't even compare to this thing it really is far better in every way
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I still have my original note (being used by my brother) and weve done some side by side tests the note 1 just doesn't compare to the note 2 not even in the same league

I had the note 1,and I'd have to say the note 2 was worth the upgrade.The note 2 just so much faster and more options than my note 1 by far.I would say get the note 2 definitely,or if you can wait there is talk of the note 3 coming maybe in jan,feb,with a bigger 6.3 screen.I'm kind of disappointment, if I new the note 3 was going to come so soon,I would of waited.

I sold my original note for 360. I got the note 2 for 199. So basically a free upgrade. No regrets at all and battery life is 3 times better than og note.
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Funny, saw a thread in the i-717 general discussion board the other day, and it was like a thread for people trying to convince themselves they weren't upset they couldn't upgrade to the Note II. Don't get me wrong, my original Note I was an amazing phone, but the Note II is definitely in another league as difficult as that seems. It's more portable, Jelly Bean/Project Butter/Nature UI makes a world of difference, better hardware internals, significantly better speakerphone, an actual multi-color LED notification light, better call quality, and a battery that is so vastly better there's no real metric to compare it to. Not to mention the better camera and list of extended photo-taking features the original Note doesn't have. And if you're someone who actually likes the S Pen, there's no comparison between the capabilities and build of the new S Pen, over the crappy one on the OG Note. All of this, and there's still a bucket of other enhanced features I've left out. I have no regrets making the upgrade, especially since it virtually cost me nothing.

The Note 2 is a huge upgrade. Battery life alone is the selling point. If you can get a deal GET IT!

I had my doubts upgrading from note but trust me. .. it feels like night and day and I had my note highly overclocked.
Do yourself a favor and waste no more time thinking about it and make the jump :thumbup:
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No regrets here...JB + quad-core + 2GB ram makes the device so smooth. Also no issues with blobs and such!
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The Note II is an entirely different league. The new S Pen itself is much easier to hold compared to the one included with the original Note, the battery lasts quite a bit longer, and the software actually takes full advantage of the S Pen instead of feeling like it's bolted on -- for example, features such as Quick Command, Air View, the new S Note app that replaced S Memo, etc.
Don't get me wrong, the original GALAXY Note was a great device, but at times it left things to be desired. With the Note II, the whole experience just feels better and more intuitive. It's definitely worthwhile upgrading in my opinion.

The other posters have said pretty much everything. I'm also a Note 1 to Note 2 convert. The Note 2 is a tremendous improvement over the original.
Prior to switching I wasn't keen on the form factor of the Note 2 (GSIII shape and home button vs the North American Note 1 w/o home button). What really attracted me to the Note 2 was what I had seen/heard/read of the speed, smoothness and battery life. All were true. What surprised me was how much better the Note 2 was in all of the above areas. What surprised me even more than that was how much I actually like the form factor, home button and all.
With my Note 1 I had two main complaints: speed/lag and battery life. I purchased a slightly higher capacity battery to address the first issue, but was waiting on the JellyBean update to see if that would improve the speed and smoothness (hopes weren't high on that one). I knew that the problem was with the number of things that I was running, but to me that was the point of having a 'superphone.' Battery life and speed were fine when the phone was used lightly, but if screen brightness was turned up, multiple pages full of widgets were set up, various Samsung enhancements were running, and LTE, WiFi and Bluetooth were on then performance was lackluster and the unit ate up the battery like there was no tomorrow.
I can use the Note 2 as advertised, without having to worry about turning off/disabling features in order to save the battery or eliminate lag. This phone spends its days with motion enhancements, Bluetooth, LTE, WiFi and sync (email, etc) on all the time and still gets me easily through the day. It's astonishing. It shouldn't be astonishing, but modern phones have us trained to think that it's not reasonable to expect a full day of 'full' use.
Long story short, the Note 2 is definitely worth the upgrade.

drop the $ and come on in...the water is fine! You'll never regret it!

zc1 said:
Prior to switching I wasn't keen on the form factor of the Note 2 (GSIII shape and home button vs the North American Note 1 w/o home button).
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It's funny that you mention that, because coming from both the GALAXY S II Skyrocket & the original GALAXY Note I thought the same thing about that "stupid little home button" (as I referred to it at the time). But after actually using the S III and the Note II, it's actually nice to have a physical button that you can press to return to the launcher, or even just turn the screen on really quick to glance at a notification (since capacitive buttons can act wonky sometimes.)

Note 2 no doubt. Most powerful phone out on the market with outstanding battery life. Feels great in hand, yet perfect aspect ratio. 64gb external storage. Quad core....
Holding off on the deal is just a loss of value on the 1. If you love the original, the only thing you will regret is that you didn't get the note 2 sooner.
Start tha new year off right.
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Thank you all very much for taking the time to respond to my question. My XDA brothers have spoken and I read you loud and clear! I will be starting off the new year with a Note 2.

From Galaxy S III to iPhone 5..... to Note II? I need some opinions

Hi!
So, the thing is, that this summer, I got the GT-I9300, and was very happy with it. Late in December, I drowned it by accident, but luckily my insurance covered it, so I could afford a new phone. Being somewhat tired of not getting a fully working CyanogenMod10 because of the lack of Exynos-sources, I decided to pick another brand and/or model.
After some thinking, I landed on the iPhone 5. I was happy with my choice, for a while. I experienced a lot of small issues tho. When I turned it on, it wouldn't connect to my WiFi, so I had to connect it to my computer, and small annoyances like that. When I had set it up properly, adding accounts and such, things were starting to behave the way I wanted. Until I had a WiFi problem. Again. The connection would drop (speed would go ridiculously low), but the icon was showing full signal strength. After some googling, I found out that this was a common problem, and that many people had been getting replacements without any help. This made me want another phone, (I expect things like WiFi to be fully working when you buy a device this expensive), because waiting for an update fix from Apple could potentially take forever.
Since I wasn't noticed about all these issues when buying the phone, and when it's behaving this abnormal with a feature this critical (WiFi is one of the most important features for me), I might be eligible for return my iPhone in trade for another brand or model.
This leads me to my questions. Have anyone here had and iPhone or SIII and then bought the Note II later? What's you opinions regarding user experience, general OS "smoothness", and features?
When I had the SIII, the sources were an important part for me (though I didn't know SIII had no proper sources before I bought it). How is that on the Note? I know the Note II doesn't have the sources either, but how is the overall experience compared to the S3? Does it have the small "hiccups" the S3 had?
(Contacts and Phone opening lag and stuff like that). I'd really like to know, especially from former iPhone and SIII-owners.
(Sorry if I posted this in the wrong section, though I thought this might be the place for getting opininons from Note II-owners.)

I had s3, didnt like it because of some lag, 1 gb ram isnt enough for s3 with touchwizz. Note 2 seems to be perfect for me, had a lot of high end devices but note 2 atm best for me. But to be honest i didnt try iphone 5 but im thinking about buying it. Because atm im owning ipad mini and it is extremely smooth with even a lot of worser hardware than iphone 5. Just one thing bothers me about iphone 5, small screen damn it... XD

I had an iphone 5 for a week and then gave it to my sis as present and bought a note 6 days back. Well if your worried about network issues you wont have any with thd note 2, in terms of the ui and screen quality i belive it beats the iphone 5. Performance is great as long as your not gaming gameloft games. Play any hardcore games and you wont like the heat its way hotter than an iphone 5 while gaming only. Other than that the phone is reallly good never ever heats up.
1 excellent thing about the note is how fast it charges and the battery life. The iphon 5 is horrible when it comes to chargin, but also has amazing battery life. The iphone 5 shud be ur number 1 choice only if your a hardcore gamer otherwise the note 2 is a beutiful phone with great performance. Hope this helps.

nielo360 said:
I had an iphone 5 for a week and then gave it to my sis as present and bought a note 6 days back. Well if your worried about network issues you wont have any with thd note 2, in terms of the ui and screen quality i belive it beats the iphone 5. Performance is great as long as your not gaming gameloft games. Play any hardcore games and you wont like the heat its way hotter than an iphone 5 while gaming only. Other than that the phone is reallly good never ever heats up.
1 excellent thing about the note is how fast it charges and the battery life. The iphon 5 is horrible when it comes to chargin, but also has amazing battery life. The iphone 5 shud be ur number 1 choice only if your a hardcore gamer otherwise the note 2 is a beutiful phone with great performance. Hope this helps.
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Emmm no offence, but will hardcore gamer play games on 4" screen? Lol i dont think so. Hardcore gamers choose ipad or atleast smartphones with bigger screen than with 4"

Haha none taken i agree the screen is too small but i only mean in terms of optimization i found games more enjoyable on it and smooth.

hey sir
Hello sir ,
i been waiting for 4 years now and i had the galaxy mini gt550 model for a long time sins it was releases as a payphone, now i bought the note 2 after been on s3 or not and decided too invest few euro more for a biger bang tbh,
in my eyes this phone is gonna be great and super cool!
i didnt wanna buy the iphone cuz whats is not always right and its expensive too the note 2 is cheap good interior and big screen (the biggest)
samsung been around a long time even thought apple thing they are the greatest they arent, ppl are a friad of workign there isnt a good company atleast you dont see the samsung workeer in the news few times a year so that also is a + in my book.
hopefully the note 2 is a disapointment compared too iphone 5 with ****ty wifi haha it so expensive still so many simple faults is unbearable tbh..
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EdgaBimbam said:
I had s3, didnt like it because of some lag, 1 gb ram isnt enough for s3 with touchwizz. Note 2 seems to be perfect for me, had a lot of high end devices but note 2 atm best for me. But to be honest i didnt try iphone 5 but im thinking about buying it. Because atm im owning ipad mini and it is extremely smooth with even a lot of worser hardware than iphone 5. Just one thing bothers me about iphone 5, small screen damn it... XD
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Yes also why i chose the samsung phones over iphone , the screen needs to be big adn handy in hand something samsung just proved the could and its a must too seee streams and other media smoother and readable something they ALSO improved ones again . its just great i feel like i am on extacy at times i think about it hehe

I had the iphone 4. Sleek and sexy device but I had to charge it at least twice a day and phone gets really hot. Switched to note 1. Loved the screen size but battery life isnt any better.
Got the s3 non lte. The development support for the s3 is awesome. So many roms, kernels, themes and mods to choose from. However im extremly dis satisfied with the screen size. Battery life was decent 5hrs screen time on average. In the end I gave it to my girlfriend and decided to take the plunge.
I was very skeptical of getting the note 2 at first due to extreme limited development especially the Lte version. But after using it for 2 weeks. I have no regrets. Amazing battery life and no lag or what so ever on stock odexed rom. There isnt a need for a custom rom anymore!
Ive just gotten the 4.1.2 update for my country and im going to root it to use couple of tools for a better experience. Awesome phone!
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Had an s3 and moved to the note 2. Big difference for me. Noticably smoother and faster, screen seems nicer and camera seems better.
All my opinion some may disagree
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Thank you for many helping answers
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I had s3, didnt like it because of some lag, 1 gb ram isnt enough for s3 with touchwizz. Note 2 seems to be perfect for me, had a lot of high end devices but note 2 atm best for me. But to be honest i didnt try iphone 5 but im thinking about buying it. Because atm im owning ipad mini and it is extremely smooth with even a lot of worser hardware than iphone 5. Just one thing bothers me about iphone 5, small screen damn it... XD
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Yeah, I can see why you are considering it because it is indeed very smooth. Screen size is not a very big deal for me though (I get used to new sizes very quickly), switching from SIII to iP5 was no problem. Getting rid of the pentile display was a plus tho
nielo360 said:
I had an iphone 5 for a week and then gave it to my sis as present and bought a note 6 days back. Well if your worried about network issues you wont have any with thd note 2, in terms of the ui and screen quality i belive it beats the iphone 5. Performance is great as long as your not gaming gameloft games. Play any hardcore games and you wont like the heat its way hotter than an iphone 5 while gaming only. Other than that the phone is reallly good never ever heats up.
1 excellent thing about the note is how fast it charges and the battery life. The iphon 5 is horrible when it comes to chargin, but also has amazing battery life. The iphone 5 shud be ur number 1 choice only if your a hardcore gamer otherwise the note 2 is a beutiful phone with great performance. Hope this helps.
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I'm not much of a gamer, just more like Granny Smith, Cut the Rope-type of games. So I'll be fine in that matter. Imo the iPhone charges very quickly, at least when i compare it to the SIII.
Chronosphere said:
Hello sir ,
i been waiting for 4 years now and i had the galaxy mini gt550 model for a long time sins it was releases as a payphone, now i bought the note 2 after been on s3 or not and decided too invest few euro more for a biger bang tbh,
in my eyes this phone is gonna be great and super cool!
i didnt wanna buy the iphone cuz whats is not always right and its expensive too the note 2 is cheap good interior and big screen (the biggest)
samsung been around a long time even thought apple thing they are the greatest they arent, ppl are a friad of workign there isnt a good company atleast you dont see the samsung workeer in the news few times a year so that also is a + in my book.
hopefully the note 2 is a disapointment compared too iphone 5 with ****ty wifi haha it so expensive still so many simple faults is unbearable tbh..
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Yes also why i chose the samsung phones over iphone , the screen needs to be big adn handy in hand something samsung just proved the could and its a must too seee streams and other media smoother and readable something they ALSO improved ones again . its just great i feel like i am on extacy at times i think about it hehe
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Haha, yeah. Still, the iPhone 5 is a very good phone, aside from the WiFi-problems.
unholygid said:
I had the iphone 4. Sleek and sexy device but I had to charge it at least twice a day and phone gets really hot. Switched to note 1. Loved the screen size but battery life isnt any better.
Got the s3 non lte. The development support for the s3 is awesome. So many roms, kernels, themes and mods to choose from. However im extremly dis satisfied with the screen size. Battery life was decent 5hrs screen time on average. In the end I gave it to my girlfriend and decided to take the plunge.
I was very skeptical of getting the note 2 at first due to extreme limited development especially the Lte version. But after using it for 2 weeks. I have no regrets. Amazing battery life and no lag or what so ever on stock odexed rom. There isnt a need for a custom rom anymore!
Ive just gotten the 4.1.2 update for my country and im going to root it to use couple of tools for a better experience. Awesome phone!
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I agree very much about the development section for the I9300. It was awesome, but it was still disappointing that with every new version of ROMs, there occurred a new problem. But no performance tweaks are really necessary? Especially the Perseus kernel is tempting. One of the best kernels available for the SIII, and when it's there for Note II as well... It makes it hard to decide.
And do you guys have money to just give away a phone that expensive? That's insane :silly:
How's the Note's build quality? I really like the metal/glass design on my current phone, and the SIII felt more like some plastic toy in comparison... Does anyone know if there is any significant difference between the SIII and NII?
Also, I'm not really sure why I want the Note... It's so appealing to me in a strange way... I think I kinda miss the open file system, and being able to fix my phone's problems on my own.

I purchased the Note 2 first, then after 3 weeks I purchased the iPhone 5.
I was loving the Note 2, still do, regardless of it's charging issue, but I love my iPhone more. I've never compromised with quality, and that's why I will always use an iPhone. It really doesn't matter how many haters you'll find here, but how much YOU actually will love it.
About smoothness? Lol. How could you compare Android with iOS in terms of smoothness, or fluidity? Sorry, I can't.
At the end, well, you don't have an iPhone? You don't have an iPhone.
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Still can't understand how people can live with a 4 inch screen nowadays...
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tacchan23 said:
Still can't understand how people can live with a 4 inch screen nowadays...
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There should be a limitation on a mobile phone's screen size/body size. Imo, Note 2's 5.5" is already pushing it, any bigger will have a farewell from my end.
These stuffs will be carried in people's pockets and elsewhere, and this is not a laptop or netbook.
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jujuburi said:
There should be a limitation on a mobile phone's screen size/body size. Imo, Note 2's 5.5" is already pushing it, any bigger will have a farewell from my end.
These stuffs will be carried in people's pockets and elsewhere, and this is not a laptop or netbook.
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Why have a limitation? Just give people a choice.
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My wife has an S3, so I've found chance to mess with it as said before, it has a low ram for such device. Running quite laggy. My brother just have bought an iphone 5 and I've messed with that too. After using a note for 1.5 years and now note 2, iphone' s screen size came very small.
However tried and compared camera (note 2 is significantly better), lag, processing things and tasks etc. So after all stayed at note 2. It is the best hand device in the market in my opinion now. Whatever I was looking for, I've found on note 2. Even the screen size. It's all completed itself.
So, my two cents. If I born today once more, I'll buy note 2 once more.
Kind regards,
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Raintech said:
My wife has an S3, so I've found chance to mess with it as said before, it has a low ram for such device. Running quite laggy. My brother just have bought an iphone 5 and I've messed with that too. After using a note for 1.5 years and now note 2, iphone' s screen size came very small.
However tried and compared camera (note 2 is significantly better), lag, processing things and tasks etc. So after all stayed at note 2. It is the best hand device in the market in my opinion now. Whatever I was looking for, I've found on note 2. Even the screen size. It's all completed itself.
So, my two cents. If I born today once more, I'll buy note 2 once more.
Kind regards,
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I've heard the iPhone 5 camera is better than the Note II. Similarity, without even having used the iPhone 5, I can assure you it is smoother than any Android device.
Personally I've got a Note II, and I'm reasonably happy even though I miss HTC Sense UI and can't find any other launcher or widgets which compare to it.
Any sort of lag bothers me, and I would probably get an iPhone if the screen was at least 4.3" and it wasn't so expensive.

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I've heard the iPhone 5 camera is better than the Note II. Similarity, without even having used the iPhone 5, I can assure you it is smoother than any Android device.
Personally I've got a Note II, and I'm reasonably happy even though I miss HTC Sense UI and can't find any other launcher or widgets which compare to it.
Any sort of lag bothers me, and I would probably get an iPhone if the screen was at least 4.3" and it wasn't so expensive.
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Ive read mixed reviews on the camera, but in general I think the iphone 5 was sharper from memory.
Ive only used an iphone 5 a few times but the camera was quite nice. Although the first one I used the camera was faulty and wouldnt start haha.
Overall all it is smoother than any android I've used, but still lags and jitters itself at times. The one I used also had wifi problems.
No phone is perfect. To each his own.
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What many people used to going straight to AOSP or CM with their phones will say, is that touchwiz is actually tolerable on the note 2, mainly because of the phone's power. I've grown to appreciate all the stock features, something I'd never thought in my wildest fantasies.
After removing bloatware and using a custom tweaked stock rom, i found the note 2 lag free a couple of days after I got it. Still is. Disabling scrolling cache fixes lag from poorly optimized apps like Tapatalk, what many people refer to as micro lags.
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adytum said:
What many people used to going straight to AOSP or CM with their phones will say, is that touchwiz is actually tolerable on the note 2, mainly because of the phone's power. I've grown to appreciate all the stock features, something I'd never thought in my wildest fantasies.
After removing bloatware and using a custom tweaked stock rom, i found the note 2 lag free a couple of days after I got it. Still is. Disabling scrolling cache fixes lag from poorly optimized apps like Tapatalk, what many people refer to as micro lags.
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Hi
Please could you explain what you mean by "disabling scrolling cache" and how you go about doing it? I would very much like to get rid of any lag in apps like Tapatalk and Whatsapp.
Thank you

fade2black101 said:
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Please could you explain what you mean by "disabling scrolling cache" and how you go about doing it? I would very much like to get rid of any lag in apps like Tapatalk and Whatsapp.
Thank you
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I am not aware of it as a standalone mod yet, so you'll have to flash omega rom and find the mod in its repository. Have no idea if it's rom specific.
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nielo360 said:
I had an iphone 5 for a week and then gave it to my sis as present and bought a note 6 days back. Well if your worried about network issues you wont have any with thd note 2, in terms of the ui and screen quality i belive it beats the iphone 5. Performance is great as long as your not gaming gameloft games. Play any hardcore games and you wont like the heat its way hotter than an iphone 5 while gaming only. Other than that the phone is reallly good never ever heats up.
1 excellent thing about the note is how fast it charges and the battery life. The iphon 5 is horrible when it comes to chargin, but also has amazing battery life. The iphone 5 shud be ur number 1 choice only if your a hardcore gamer otherwise the note 2 is a beutiful phone with great performance. Hope this helps.
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Not sure if this helps but if ur phone is rooted then install a cpu control program like setcpu and change the value for max cpu to 1ghz or 1.2ghz. Still runs buttersmooth in nova 3 or mc3 and doesnt heat up as bad. Warm... not hot.
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Worth switching from N2?

I currently have a GN2. S4 worth switching to? (Who has...pros/cons?) I have 20 days from TMO to make the choice, but input from experience would be quite helpful.
Reasons for possibly changing:
*Same price for more features
*Better camera
*Better specs
My only concern is the screen may feel too small, I know my TB, and iphone felt stupidly small after N2, But 5 Inches may not feel as lethargic as 4.3/4.

Goto a store doesnt matter what carrier then hold the s4 in your hand at that moment all your questions will be answered.
Trust me on this

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2270273

I have the note 2 and s4 its great but it doesn't have pop up browser grrrrrrr
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Nyxagamemnon said:
Goto a store doesnt matter what carrier then hold the s4 in your hand at that moment all your questions will be answered.
Trust me on this
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Ah cant be that good. I know the s4 launcher sucks im using it now. I hate it. But the phone is definetly not bad. Its good as thw note. But I use the note for so much more than just a phone. Its actually more important to me than my laptop.
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janjannsen99 said:
Ah cant be that good. I know the s4 launcher sucks im using it now. I hate it. But the phone is definetly not bad. Its good as thw note. But I use the note for so much more than just a phone. Its actually more important to me than my laptop.
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I use Dodol on the N2. Try that launcher At this point, does seem like I will have to play with the S4 in a store...

Nyxagamemnon said:
Trust me on this
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TRUST him on this bro.
trust him.

nxneko said:
I currently have a GN2. S4 worth switching to? (Who has...pros/cons?) I have 20 days from TMO to make the choice, but input from experience would be quite helpful.
Reasons for possibly changing:
*Same price for more features
*Better camera
*Better specs
My only concern is the screen may feel too small, I know my TB, and iphone felt stupidly small after N2, But 5 Inches may not feel as lethargic as 4.3/4.
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I've had both (T-889, I9500 & M19) and kinda miss my note to be honest. If you find the real estate the most attractive on the Note 2, you will miss it on the GS4. Another thing I miss is the battery life on the Note 2, that thing could last me 2 days without a charge. Overall the the GS4 is a nice device (my personal unit is the i9500) and definitely has some advantages over the Note 2 (full hd, 13mp, newer gpu/cpu) but over all the Note 2 feels much more polished. The screen is more responsive, the UI has had the kinks of the CPU/GPU ironed out from the S3, and the S-Pen makes drawing super easy and fun. I'm sure the development will only help the pros of the GS4, but out of box experience was much better on the Note 2, it even had a more "premium feel". I'm gonna stick it out for a bit with the GS4, but may end up going back to my Note.

not very worth...note 2 is a very good.
fast enough.

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I've had both (T-889, I9500 & M19) and kinda miss my note to be honest. If you find the real estate the most attractive on the Note 2, you will miss it on the GS4. Another thing I miss is the battery life on the Note 2, that thing could last me 2 days without a charge. Overall the the GS4 is a nice device (my personal unit is the i9500) and definitely has some advantages over the Note 2 (full hd, 13mp, newer gpu/cpu) but over all the Note 2 feels much more polished. The screen is more responsive, the UI has had the kinks of the CPU/GPU ironed out from the S3, and the S-Pen makes drawing super easy and fun. I'm sure the development will only help the pros of the GS4, but out of box experience was much better on the Note 2, it even had a more "premium feel". I'm gonna stick it out for a bit with the GS4, but may end up going back to my Note.
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The phone actually slid out of my hand once because it got so slippery.... like 4x actually. that glossy back body is a nightmare (I got a custom backing tho now)
Yeah, all the kinks should be ironed out with roms and OTAs over the coming months though. Battery life wise...Ive seen so many differences in screen on-time its insane in the thread in general. For example, I was going to go with the htc one...until I learned of its battery life (I stole a co-workers one and 1 hr 34min of screen ontime put phone at 65% battery - Thunderbolt moment, anyone?) I get 6HR or so of ontime with the N2 on Verizons LTE and since LTE drains faster...Im guessing I would get more out of the tmo n2? (Wild guess) - Sadly even though Florida is one of TMOs most covered states...I don't think my city got lte yet.
I love the N2, However...
The S4 is like a baker walking by with a more delicious looking tiny cupcake when you just got a huge piece of cake. not only that but... I work at a themepark, and 3/5 people have white GS3 or N2.... It was insanity (Mostly GS3 Dominant, but I could tell there were plenty of N2 Tucked behind otterboxes due to the SPen slot cutout) the S4 At least would be a slight step away from that...

If you are used to the size of the Note 2, the only logical upgrades in the future would be to another Note (Note 3, Note 4, ...). Note 2 is still probably more productive for multitasking than the S4. You won't need features like Air Gestures or Smart Scroll (which probably can be added to N2 in the future). IR blaster is fun to use, but probably not a necessity. If you carry a tablet and a phone, the Note is probably more suited for you. If you just talk on your phone and like to browse a lot, not do any real work, the S4 is the perfect size phone. I've had both so I know. I like the feel of the S4, and the 5" screen doesn't make it tiny at all compared to the 5.5" N2.

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If you are used to the size of the Note 2, the only logical upgrades in the future would be to another Note (Note 3, Note 4, ...). Note 2 is still probably more productive for multitasking than the S4. You won't need features like Air Gestures or Smart Scroll (which probably can be added to N2 in the future). IR blaster is fun to use, but probably not a necessity. If you carry a tablet and a phone, the Note is probably more suited for you. If you just talk on your phone and like to browse a lot, not do any real work, the S4 is the perfect size phone. I've had both so I know. I like the feel of the S4, and the 5" screen doesn't make it tiny at all compared to the 5.5" N2.
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I mostly use it for just texting, and IM+ Is -constantly- being used. The only issues with the N2 i had was use in daylight screen was impossible to see for me, and it got slightly awkward handling it with one hand. I also use the camera a LOT for taking product photos for etsy. I only used SPen to doodle random things and send it to whoever i was talking to when I felt it was suddenly more convenient then typing.
...I will also state, speaker mode in calls sucked really bad. I never liked calling on N2 much.

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I mostly use it for just texting, and IM+ Is -constantly- being used. The only issues with the N2 i had was use in daylight screen was impossible to see for me, and it got slightly awkward handling it with one hand. I also use the camera a LOT for taking product photos for etsy. I only used SPen to doodle random things and send it to whoever i was talking to when I felt it was suddenly more convenient then typing.
...I will also state, speaker mode in calls sucked really bad. I never liked calling on N2 much.
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I can tell you right now the S4 is not that much better in daylight, compared to the HTC One which is brighter. It's almost impossible for me to see as well with full brightness. While I could handle the N2 size in one hand, I find the smaller form factor of the S4 to be much more comfortable, hence why I decided to get the S4. Plus, I find myself using the SPen less and less with the N2, so I was willing to let that go. If they made the S4 screen work with an SPen, that would have been great (I don't mind not having a holder).

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I can tell you right now the S4 is not that much better in daylight, compared to the HTC One which is brighter. It's almost impossible for me to see as well with full brightness. While I could handle the N2 size in one hand, I find the smaller form factor of the S4 to be much more comfortable, hence why I decided to get the S4. Plus, I find myself using the SPen less and less with the N2, so I was willing to let that go. If they made the S4 screen work with an SPen, that would have been great (I don't mind not having a holder).
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I wish I could one-hand it...but I basically have teen sized hands (short) I never minded the size because of purse. In your opinion, is the S4 Worth the switch from a new-phone standpoint (not upgrade) I would never go HTC after thunderbolt...esp since S4 has a better headphone dac.

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I wish I could one-hand it...but I basically have teen sized hands (short) I never minded the size because of purse. In your opinion, is the S4 Worth the switch from a new-phone standpoint (not upgrade) I would never go HTC after thunderbolt...esp since S4 has a better headphone dac.
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At this moment, probably not. I would at least wait and see what Google has in store software/hardware wise for Android, as Google I/O is next week.

Anyone coming from gnex (Samsung galaxy nexus)?

Hi there,
Anyone coming from gnex (Samsung galaxy nexus)?
Just need some feedback on software support, size handling and personal impression.
Thank you

The Note 2 is better at everything, screen, battery, and if you like aosp, there are a lot of those roms for you. The only thing we are missing from a nexus, as far as I can tell, is photoshpere. The devs for this phone are fantastic, so many roms to choose from. The size of the phone should not bother you. Oh yeah, the camera on the Note 2 blows away the Galaxy Nexus. I've had the Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 4, and the Note 2 when running an aosp rom is just as smooth as the Nexus 4, IMO.
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Touchwiz is bearable on the gnote2 because most of the features are actually useful AND work. Great all around phone. Reception, form factor is great for its size, put your own launcher like nova to get the aosp launcher feel, volume is great on ear speaker and loudspeaker and the 720p screen is beautiful even when compared to 1080p. And the SD card slot and removable battery are bonus. Oh yeah, can't forget battery life. Battery just doesn't stop. Expect 6+ hours of screen time easily. Only the most demanding of games will put a hurt on it and even then it still does great. All that and you can get this phone for less than $550 currently and it should still hold nicely for at least another year and I wouldn't be surprised if it holds it down another 2. Don't forget to get a wireless receiver to put inside the battery compartment and a compatible wireless charger.
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It's definitely worth upgrading. This phone is better in every respect - sure we only have Android 4.1 officially but unless you really need the multi user feature then you actually gain quite a bit from TouchWiz. The launcher itself blows but the rest is great - things like multi window and driving mode. I don't even run custom roms anymore it's that good - rooted stock is all you need on this bad boy.
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The Note 2 is better at everything, screen, battery, and if you like aosp, there are a lot of those roms for you. The only thing we are missing from a nexus, as far as I can tell, is photoshpere. The devs for this phone are fantastic, so many roms to choose from. The size of the phone should not bother you. Oh yeah, the camera on the Note 2 blows away the Galaxy Nexus. I've had the Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 4, and the Note 2 when running an aosp rom is just as smooth as the Nexus 4, IMO.
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what rom you are running ?

Bn Waheed said:
what rom you are running ?
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I am what you would call a flashaholic. At the moment I'm running Hawkish rom with Perseus kernel. On the days I want aosp I either use Sentinel rom or ParanoidAndroid.
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My friend has a Gnex, He definitely likes the ability to change screentone but didn't feel huge difference between the two screens, He is quite happy with the gaming performance where he said even games like vector would sometimes have framedrop on the gnex, But he is soooo annoyed that we don't have 4.2 yet, he knows it's not an important update but the feeling that he actually needs to "wait" for the update is really annoying him, that alone is making him consider the Nexus 4

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My friend has a Gnex, He definitely likes the ability to change screentone but didn't feel huge difference between the two screens, He is quite happy with the gaming performance where he said even games like vector would sometimes had framedrop on the gnex, But he is soooo annoyed that we don't have 4.2 yet, he knows it's not an important update but the feeling that he actually needs to "wait" for the update is really annoying him, that alone is making him considering the Nexus 4
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That is my main fear! !

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That is my main fear! !
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Touchwiz hurts my eyes but at least you have the "choice", my advice to you is to go for it at least you can install CM and switch back to TW,Just don't get it new, the Note 3 is on the horizon get a cheap note 2 for now, good luck buddy

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Touchwiz hurts my eyes but at least you have the "choice", my advice to you is to go for it at least you can install CM and switch back to TW,Just don't get it new, the Note 3 is on the horizon get a cheap note 2 for now, good luck buddy
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Touchwiz isn't so bad on gnote2. Put nova launcher to get rid of the eyesore on the home screens and the rest is OK.
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Touchwiz isn't so bad on gnote2. Put nova launcher to get rid of the eyesore on the home screens and the rest is OK.
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Coming from a Galaxy Nexus I personally couldn't stand Touchwiz for long. However AOSP roms are pretty much stable by now and almost everything is working correctly. That said the Note 2 is one of the best phones I've ever owned so I highly suggest it or waiting for the Note 3

albsat said:
That is my main fear! !
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Have no fear my friend. Like I said, I came from a nexus 4 running Paranoid Android. My note 2 running PA ROM is just as smooth and has every feature that the nexus 4 has minus photosphere. The devs that are working with the note 2 will most likely keep working on new ROMs for at least another year or 2, probably longer. You will not be dissatisfied with either the Nexus 4 or a Note 2. My personal opinion would be get the Note 2.
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Have come over to Note 2 from galaxy nexus..I really liked the gnex but couldn't stand the horrible camera and battery life.
I would say the better camera and brilliant battery life on the Note2 should be reason enough. Plus there is some great development work for Note 2 . So no fears. Using the Project AOSP v1.4 ROM by modstorm .. And this makes the Note2 almost perfect.:laugh:

i came over from the gnex too and the battery was terrible. The note 2 is pretty much better in everything. Only thing i preferred on the gnex was the position of the led notification

We may not be on the cutting edge when it comes to Android versions but we do gain several enhancements over stock. Better camera software, driving mode, voice control of apps, and multi window are my favourites. Smart stay and motion gestures seem more gimmicky to me although others my get value from them. Also I prefer having my toggles at the top of the notification window rather than in a separate box.
Oh then there is the micro sd slot, battery life, removable battery, and s-pen.
I don't miss my Nexus 4 one bit.
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my impressions after 1-2 weeks with note2 (vs gnex):
better:
- samsung-only (proprietary) features
- battery life
- reading PDFs in landscape possible at last (fonts at least for me in gnex were too small)
- FM radio!!! (last phone from sammy that supports this? such moron assumption that everybody now has/will have limitless data plans)
- much nicer for watching videos
- supernice camera, actually anything better than camera in gnex is supernice
- micro sd
- spen (sam ROM only, yeah i know about apps for aosp...still)
- removable battery (the same actually, just want to stress the fact it is there)
worse:
- samsung-only (proprietary) features, i.e they will never-ever be available for AOSP ROM (BIG ONE for me, means I have to stay on samsung ROM) or suffer tons of features in AOSP simply not there
- btw. camera because of this somehow reported to work a lot better in samsung ROM than AOSP
- touchwiz is a bit painful to use after AOSP, miss the flexibility/configurability of cyanogen...
- shape/size of gnex is ideal for my hand, this one is a bit too much, not a big deal though and apparently getting used to (BUT i will never use armor case, makes it simply far too big)
- unstable WIFI (lots of disconnects) in 4.1.2 by samsung, some fixes available currently testing one to revert 4.1.1 wifi stack (rooted phone needed)
- a bit more gimmicky rooting/custom recovery - not a big deal
- not worse but dont like: handwriting seems to work only with samsung keyboard app? sort of eliminates slide-it,swype etc... need to find some workaround...
- pockets: yeah defo a challenge to fit in shirt's pocket, barely fits in trousers' pockets

@yogi
Thanks man. This was exactly the necessary info needed before taking a decision.

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@yogi
Thanks man. This was exactly the necessary info needed before taking a decision.
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thanks, happy to hear...actually I just noticed note2 has also non-AOSP custom ROMs, which after gnex is kind of new category for me. What this seems to mean I will have the chance to get the combined samsung ROM + AOSP-type extra customization, one example seems Hawkish mentioned earlier on this thread -> sounds interesting, I will give it a try in next 1-2 weeks and can report here if you are interested?

AT&T note 4 coming from note 3 not worth it?

Honestly not sure if anyone else feels this way so I'm curious what the rest of the At&t Note 4 community has to say...specifically on this...I mean two very important sensors got replaced for a fingerprint sensor and a heartbeat monitor that when you have a case on both are hard to use like it becomes pointless...which I think they are both too early in development to actually lose a humidity and temp sensor which alot of apps like to grab ahold of and becomes kind of important...the restriction is killer almost like I don't want it anymore honestly no root locked bootloader...can't do that for as long as I have been let alone alot longer...the camera has alot of gimmicks in it but does have a little better camera itself just think the software is horrible...I will say the pixel difference is there though and the screen is wonderful...it does have the lastest snapdragon which i like its the only reason why I still wanna hold it honestly...the battery is like a huge noticeable difference it decays alot faster then the three did and the phone does warm up alot more I think it has alot to do with the snapdragon the screen and the software layout like there is a lot of white when there doesn't need to be and the teal menu &!*# kills me I can't stand it there are alot of s5 layouts and even apps on here that they tried to hide but don't even work almost like they ported the s5 to the note 4 with minor changes it sucks ...but is that worth it over the note 3 I replaced it with I don't think it is....it think maybe a tmobile version of this phone would be worth replacing my at&t note 3 maybe thats a maybe its like they just through something together and sent it out because apple has a new i phone they need to compete with but it needs work i think it got put out to early...but this is definitely not worth it...just my opinion I'm curious what others feel...if it was a loss or a gain...
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I am coming from the Note 3 and I am loving the 4. The screen is amazing, I find battery life even better that the 3. Definitely more responsive with the 805 Snapdragon. I have the Ringke Slim case which allows me to still use the heart monitor with no issues. I find the fingerprint sensor to be a nice option. I personally don't mind the teal settings menu since I just don't interact that much with the menu. I also really liked the Note 3

I always believed that somebody who own a Galaxy Note should wait at least two year period for upgraded.
Hardware jump is not as impressive as the Note 3 and quite frankly, Samsung is really becoming insistent that the better value of the device is it ecosystem and built-in app.
So any one who are still owning a Note 3, don't feel the rush to upgrading, you are fin at least until Note 5 has something better to offer.

2.5D glass makes the device a dream to use when swiping from the edges of the display.I went from the note 2 to the M7 to the Note 3 to the M8 to the Note 4 and I think it's worth it but I'm a early adopter/ enthusiast type of guy

Both phones are great and indeed very similar, but the Note 4 just kills it on camera which blows it out of the park.
Battery life for me has been better with Note 4 ever since I killed the bloatware (compared to N3).
Seriously though, the camera... It's not even about pixel count at all, it's the optical image stabilization and wider field of view... Incredibly more capable as a walk-around point 'n shoot. The glass seems to capture a sharper and wider image. This has nothing to do with pixel count. Numbers only tell you so much... Image quality tells you everything

IMO, it depends. My Note 3 running DynamicKat was pretty much just as fast as the Note 4, plus I had all the other benefits of being rooted. Honestly, I've been using the Note 4 since it came out but I find a reason I missed my Note 3 everyday......
EXCEPT! IMO, the "Quick Charge" is the biggest reason to get the Note 4. I'm no longer caring about my battery life. Seriously, I LOVE that feature.

I came from the note 3, and love the note 4. I will, however, return this one, and buy the t-mobile one. That way I can root.
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AcquiredIntellect said:
Two very important sensors got replaced for a fingerprint sensor and a heartbeat monitor
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Here's the Note 3 sensors...
Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer, gesture, temperature, humidity
And the Note 4's...
Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer, gesture, UV, heart rate, SpO2 (blood oxygen)
So UV, heart rate, and blood oxygen replaced temperature and humidity. I'd guess how "very important" the swap is depends on individual use cases. Out of curiosity, how did the loss of temperature and humidity sensors impact what you do with your phone?
No root locked bootloader
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It's the new "normal." Look what Google themselves is doing with 5.0. Two years ago I'd say about 75% of my circle of friends and associates rooted their phones. Today it's about 25%. Anyone connecting to a company network can't use a "tampered" phone. And it's not a physical restriction, it's the security document you sign that says using a tampered device to connect to the company network is an instant terminable offense. So T-Mobile doesn't lock their bootloaders (they don't do a lot of national account business either) but that's going to become the exception not the rule. I haven't been able to use a rooted device in over a year based on the networks I need to connect to.
The camera has alot of gimmicks in it but does have a little better camera itself just think the software is horrible...
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You're pretty much alone in your opinion. You give up nothing from the Note 3 and gain a lot. And that's according to people on the forum and reviewers.
The battery is like a huge noticeable difference it decays alot faster then the three did
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Set up exactly like my Note 3, I'm getting 25-35% better battery life on my Note 4. So are a lot of other people here.
The phone does warm up alot more I think it has alot to do with the snapdragon
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When doing what? I haven't noticed any difference in heat output; at least the way I use my phone.
The screen and the software layout like there is a lot of white when there doesn't need to be and the teal menu &!*# kills me
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I can't stand it there are alot of s5 layouts and even apps on here that they tried to hide but don't even work almost like they ported the s5 to the note 4 with minor changes it sucks
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The Note 3's over a year old and so is its interface. The SGS5 is six months old and was Samsung's first effort to streamline and flatten TW and move to a more contemporary UX design and colors. The Note 4's s/w looks far more modern and has much better stock app integration than the Note 3's. I think you'll find it hard to find people that want to go back to a UX design that was already dated when the N3 launched. UI and UX design is also subjective.

Battery is better than GN3. It has to be some bloat were, if you have a poor battery life, an Index Service bug, for example. GN4 is substantially faster not only based on the CPU speed, but also on a faster memory controller. Definitely better and faster camera, brighter screen for outdoor use.

I got the Note 4, for me the upgrade was worth it including the other sensors. I would defiantly upgrade if you have the option through the Next program, if you're going to have to pay retail, not worth it.

I was rooted on my Note 3, but I have disabled all AT&T apps and have the exact same setup with Nova Prime on my Note 4. Hands down, this is a better device in terms of screen, camera, and for me most importantly BATTERY LIFE! My Note 3 was running stock rom with root because I have AT&T versions. The biggest eater of my battery life was Android Wear with my Moto 360. It literally sucked the life out of my Note 3 where it would only last barely a day - it was pretty bad. Also, I've owned every Note since the first one came out. I had a black Note 1 and people were shocked by how big it was when it first came out. I then got a white Note 2 (I truly loved this phone - it was rooted with the best rom = CLEANROM). The white Note 3 that replaced it was decent. Now, I'm back to all black with a Ringke Slim Black Soft Feel case. The battery life just doesn't seem to want to drop at all, lol. Even the stock pull down doesn't bother me as others have said. I still have it pretty customized using light manager and Textra, etc. I used Helium to restore all my app data perfectly. I highly recommend the Note 4. However, like others have noted, it's probably best to get the Tmobile version if you have the money and root it and use it on AT&T. The only reason I stuck with AT&T is because my friend has a hook up (I got my phone really early) and the amount just factors into my bill through the Next program so it's cheaper overall.

I was heading towards the Nexus 6 but with the debacle today I think I will go for the note 4. Your comments were very helpful.
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2.5D glass makes the device a dream to use when swiping from the edges of the display.I went from the note 2 to the M7 to the Note 3 to the M8 to the Note 4 and I think it's worth it but I'm a early adopter/ enthusiast type of guy
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its the edge your talking about right? or something like the 3D glass you out on?

I went from the Note 2 to the Note 4, and honestly, I would still call this an incremental upgrade. That's not a knock on the phone, merely an observation on the state of the technology in this category.
The screen is much better, but the speed increases are negligible, the software is not significantly improved, the stylus actually feels cheaper and a step back though I have not used it enough to make a call on functionality. I did not spend any time with the Note 3, but this is actually (IMO) less comfortable to hold vs the Note 2 due to the "squared" design.
I was skeptical of upgrading, but I had numerous hardware issues after two years with the Note 2 that really forced my hand into upgrading now. If you're OK with your Note 2 or 3, then pocket the cash or donate a portion to me and wait for the next big thing. Wow. That was not intentional.

I was thinking about passing note 4 cuz I had a Note 3 (rooted) . The screen is amazing and my battery is absurdly insane awesome on the note 4 . I'm a moderate user to heavy use and haven't got battery below 75 % . I'm impressed !
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I came from my wonderful rooted Note 3 running urdroid rom to this amazing specimen of a phone.
snappiness
camera quality
screen quality
s-health coolness
Sheer power to carve up commands effortlessly
battery life
quick charge
These are all things that I consider more than just marginal improvements over my Note 3. I honestly never thought I would be using touchwiz. I'm the guy that automatically goes and installs nova prime without batting an eye. I'm going two week strong on touchwiz and loving it. The spen integration is improved. I like the new wrinkles around being able to manipulate windows and apps in bubbles and such. I pledged for root because the one thing that I don't like on stock is the fact that I have no real control over how cluttered my notification area gets up top. Give me root with wanam exposed and I am one happy camper.
It may be gimmicky bit I like being able to gauge my stress level. I measured my stress level and my wife's at the same time one evening. We had both just gotten home from work. She was clearly stressed while I had what I thought was a low stress day. The measurement was on point. This phone is making me utilize s-health more than ever before and I like that. I run a lot and count calories so it comes in handy.
All things considered, rooted or not, this is one helluva piece of technology.
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its the edge your talking about right? or something like the 3D glass you out on?
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it's the rounded edges of the glass,yes

It is probably worth the upgrade but not until Note 4 has root. I couldn't give up my custom roms
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Also coming from the Note 3... And I'm still on it.
Note 4 is in its box until the wifi issue is fixed. Any B, G, N network speed is horrible. AC Seems fine though but I travel a lot and AC is new and expensive, no where is going to have it so its unacceptable for me.
Its really not an upgrade, its like getting an iPhone 4 S from a 4 or a 5 S from a 5. Yeah the cameras are a bit better, but that's about it in all honesty. Hating Kit Kat.

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Both phones are great and indeed very similar, but the Note 4 just kills it on camera which blows it out of the park.
Battery life for me has been better with Note 4 ever since I killed the bloatware (compared to N3).
Seriously though, the camera... It's not even about pixel count at all, it's the optical image stabilization and wider field of view... Incredibly more capable as a walk-around point 'n shoot. The glass seems to capture a sharper and wider image. This has nothing to do with pixel count. Numbers only tell you so much... Image quality tells you everything
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How did you kill the bloatware if not Rooted?