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[Q] What would you like to see in the next HTC Phone?

What would you like to see in the next HTC Phone? Choose? And also post what you would like to see and have.

Good hardware. I.e., a camera sensor that doesn't suck, use of NAND rather than SD card for storage, screens which doesn't look washed out.
HTC has a lot of stepping up to do for me to consider another device from them. I was pretty happy with my HD2, but the HD7 I initially picked up went back to the store real quick. In the end I ended up with the Omnia 7 from Samsung instead.

Hardware
I switched for the first time from HTC, couldn't accept the Surround. Get rid of that rediculous speaker setup and replace it with their great keyboard. At least a 4.3" screen equal to the Super AMOLED of the Samsung Focus, maximum amount of internal memory (32GB would be fine with me), HDMI port.

I would vote for 32GB+ NAND flash for sure, all other things aren't important as far as I'm concerned.
More importantly, I'd like to see more than one next HTC WP7 phone (just as Samsung phones, and phones from other OEMs).
Because at this point of time, sales numbers for the next few quarters will determine the fate of WP7. And without phones you won't get those numbers. None of the OEMs is or will be capable of making just one phone that'll drive the OS forward.
No matter how much MS will talk about "sales aren't important" and "we're in it for the long haul", they are facing lots of pressure from investors, this isn't the time of XBox launch. Unlike many, I don't think that the launch was a failure (getting 2% of smartphone sales is awesome with so few devices and on half the carriers), but MS will need to ramp it up aggressively, and it can't be done by ads alone no matter how much they spend.
That there are no leaks with MWC looming is troubling.

Tegra 2, lots of NAND, 4" SLCD.

vangrieg said:
That there are no leaks with MWC looming is troubling.
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Agreed. During the initial launch we knew about pretty much every phone that was going to be released by this point. The only thing I've seen this time around is that Asus phone.
As for what I'd want in the next phone, physical buttons and half-decent build quality.

Microsoft knows that it has a major uphill battle. Most phone sales are due to word of mouth (a friend has one and loves/hates it) over TV ads. Windows Mobile had a bad rap when compared to Android and the iPhoney, due to its lack of upgrades.
Microsoft needs to blow the lid off this, work with providers to make KICK ASS phones that people want for fair prices.
As for HTC phones, anything over a 4.3" display is getting a little too big (don't people keep their phones in their pockets ?)for a phone. This is getting into the tablet area but, if there is NO QWERTY keyboard, the display MUST be at least 4"
Fast, "great quality, good sized display", modern tech (DLNA, FM, A-GPS, NFC...etc), QWERTY keyboard with a small form factor. If HTC has it, great, if someone else, maybe then it's for me.
I was loyal to HTC for a while but, I have had some crappy phones, so I am open to try others to see how good they are.

DavidinCT said:
I was loyal to HTC for a while but, I have had some crappy phones, so I am open to try others to see how good they are.
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The great thing about WP7 is that it doesn't really matter (shhh, don't tell OEMs). It makes a huge difference. My Mozart is the first HTC phone I've had that doesn't need a new ROM. It's marvellous what no OEM software does to a phone.

vangrieg said:
The great thing about WP7 is that it doesn't really matter (shhh, don't tell OEMs). It makes a huge difference. My Mozart is the first HTC phone I've had that doesn't need a new ROM. It's marvellous what no OEM software does to a phone.
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Was not talking about Software, I was talking about hardware (I had 12 XV6800s...YES, 12, because they would always break)

A decent fast keyboard device please!!!!!

orb3000 said:
A decent fast keyboard device please!!!!!
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let me drop a nice link for you then
http://www.htc.com/www/product/7pro/overview.html

To the OP:
You should change the QuadBand World Phone to Pentaband 3G. That's what should become the new standard for high end phones at this point.

I want dual core processor, 1gb RAM, better camera sensor/software and a hardware keyboard in a device with a 4" SLCD. Maybe one with LTE support
Problem HTC?

1. higher class of hardware (screen, speaker...)
2. a real IO port for using external addons (TV-out, IR remote control, bio sensors...)

Reviews of Sprint's HTC Arrive - UPDATED

http://www.wpcentral.com/sprint-s-htc-arrive-review
Sprint customers will be very pleased with the HTC Arrive and find the new Windows Phone 7 device was worth the wait. If you are currently using the Sprint Touch Pro 2 and like the fit and feel, we think you'll be very pleased with the Arrive. The Arrive will also appeal to those considering Windows Phone 7 for the first time.
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Very positive. I was thinking of skipping this one and going with an Android for my on contract Sprint phone, but this review has pushed me back towards the Arrive. We will have to see what other reviews have to say.
Another review has rolled in:
A fairly positive review for the Arrive. Most of the negative things said are concerning the OS, and also the reviewers inability to understand how to use the OS.
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/sprint-htc-arrive-review
PROS
+ Improved WP7 OS with copy and paste
+ Telenav included, lack of Sprint crapware
+ Terrific camera
+ Speakerphone
+ Spring-loaded tilt screen
+ Excellent battery life
+ Great keyboard layout
+ SRS enhancements
CONS
- Heavy
- Specs seem last-generation
- Strange method to remove battery cover
- Inaccessible 16GB microSD card
- Battery heats quickly
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actually, you can keep the screen flat down
just slide it out enough to reveal the whole keyboard

ima have to try that I myself ordered one already through wirefly for 80 adding a line. Ill have to see about the titled screen thing myself. Also any update on the Chevron unlock program, or any other one for the Arrive yet? Will the current one work for the Arrive.

i thought it was going to have the new milti tasking update

nanoware said:
i thought it was going to have the new milti tasking update
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Why would you think that? Nothing has come out from Microsoft or the rumor sites to even come remotely close to giving that impression.

Actually it was suggested that it would be released with nodo through microsoft... All in all it is much better than the European device but still not in the top WP7 devices I've used...
Edit: I didn't really read... Yeah, no multi-tasking update for a little while.

Tim.Smith said:
Why would you think that? Nothing has come out from Microsoft or the rumor sites to even come remotely close to giving that impression.
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I believe he is mistaking NODO for Mango. It does come with the NODO (copy + paste) update. It does not come with the Mango (multitasking) update.

Every review I've seen has been extremely positive. Only really knocked down two things:
Landscape isnt in all apps when the keyboard is out
Camera quality
Other than that, they all said it was a pretty solid device. Some said it was the best WP7 out now and others said it wasnt the best but was just as good as some Dell Venue Pro.
I just ordered this a few hours back and will be getting it on Thursday. Me excited. Me happy.

Another fairly positive review for the Arrive. Most of the negative things said are concerning the OS, and also the reviewers inability to understand how to use the OS.
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/sprint-htc-arrive-review
PROS
+ Improved WP7 OS with copy and paste
+ Telenav included, lack of Sprint crapware
+ Terrific camera
+ Speakerphone
+ Spring-loaded tilt screen
+ Excellent battery life
+ Great keyboard layout
+ SRS enhancements
CONS
- Heavy
- Specs seem last-generation
- Strange method to remove battery cover
- Inaccessible 16GB microSD card
- Battery heats quickly
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tiny17 said:
Another fairly positive review for the Arrive. Most of the negative things said are concerning the OS, and also the reviewers inability to understand how to use the OS.
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/sprint-htc-arrive-review
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The majority of the time pocketnow and a few other popular tech blogs write off WP7 because they are dead set on android or iphone and if it doesn't have a row of 4x4 icons that are about as aesthetically pleasing as a school bus fire then they don't want it. I will tell you I own every US released WP7 device to date and this is certainly the best of HTC's devices. The build quality is solid, it doesn't have the feel that you're going to break the spring in the tilt mechanism like the European version had, and it's not too bad on the eyes though it could stand to be thinner. All in all it's a pretty good device. and certainly a great introduction to WP7. Remember, it's not about the specs. It's about how they use them.

z33dev33l said:
Remember, it's not about the specs. It's about how they use them.
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Exactly. I don't understand why people can't see this. If gaming, and browser experience isn't any improved, then what is the point of having a dual core processor? I for one don't particularly care for faster processors, those will come in time, but I am more concerned about getting newer, more power efficient processors in these phones. So yeah, these have last years tech, but the OS is better utilizing it's hardware when compared to its competitors.

tiny17 said:
Exactly. I don't understand why people can't see this. If gaming, and browser experience isn't any improved, then what is the point of having a dual core processor? I for one don't particularly care for faster processors, those will come in time, but I am more concerned about getting newer, more power efficient processors in these phones. So yeah, these have last years tech, but the OS is better utilizing it's hardware when compared to its competitors.
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Preaching to the choir
No one seems to understand this but if an OS doesn't utilize their hardware properly then there's really no point in it being there. If WP7 can operate better than android on a single core let it be. You can mod and customize all you want but at the end of the day I want a phone that just works and WP7 does that better than any other OS. Does it have shortcomings? Most definitely but it's the OS that I feel has the most benefits that outweigh the shortcomings so until someone can top it I'm WP7 all the way. The Pro 7 is certainly worth it. Who knows, we may have better devices a year from now that blow these out of the water but for the time being it's my third favorite WP7 device and that's only because I'm hooked on the Venue Pro's screen and keyboard and the Focus' screen.

Considering RT Tablet (Vivo TF600T vs Surface)

Hey,
I'm planning to get a RT tablet and I have looked at relative comparisons of both of them.
Unfortunately there weren't many comparisons that I could find online so I decided to post here.
I also understand that the T100TA may be the better option.
So two questions (If you've owned both a reply would be greatly appreciated):
1. TF600T or Surface RT? TF600T seems to have a lot more features in my opinion and a much sturdier keyboard and build.
2. Is it even worth getting a RT? Or should I be looking straight ahead to 8.1 tablets now?
I'll be using this tablet mainly for school, but if I can run windows apps and what not that would be awesome too.
What are your thoughts?
Thanks!
Edit: I forgot to mention i'll most likely be buying locally but BNIB. I'm looking at ~260 for dock+tablet for vivo and ~320 for surface and keyboard.

It really depends what you want from the tablet/TF.
Windows RT isn't flourishing with apps right now so an actual full Windows Tab, Android or an iPad may be a better option.
That being said, I like my surface.
It's a really nice tablet that works well.
Office 2013 beats any other office app on any other device.

260 whats? US Dollars, british pounds, euros, human rights violations?
Honestly, I would just look towards the T100. Full windows 8.1 at that price cant be argued with.

Owned Both and...
Returned the ASUS T100. Good concept by ASUS but poor execution and very poor quality build. I exchanged it for a Surface 2 with touch keyboard.
There really are light years difference in the MS build quality over the ASUS and from personal experience with other ASUS devices their tech service/support sucks.
The screen on the Surface is 1080P versus 720P for ASUS and I was very concerned with the ASUS charging port - it's very flimsy and I was worried that over time it would break (I saw from a internal picture that it's just soldered to the motherboard like many other cheap tablets)- compare that to the very sturdy magnetic connector on the Surface.
Surface 2 with Office 2013 is most of what I need. Certainly there will be apps missing but if you really analyze what you need vs. what is "nice to have" RT isn't so crippled at all.
And by its very nature its mostly malware and virus free.
Also, I think that some of the experts in this forum will ultimately develop a way to sideload third-party apps just like they did for RT 8.0 - just a matter of time.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
260 whats? US Dollars, british pounds, euros, human rights violations?
Honestly, I would just look towards the T100. Full windows 8.1 at that price cant be argued with.
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Canadian Dollars, apologies for not mentioning that.
Personally I wouldn't have minded getting the surface if I didn't miss out on that $199 deal back in December. Big loss on my part lol.
I've opened up a TF300T before to replace my LCD and while not impossible, was quite difficult because I did not have a heat gun. I also remember the charging port being soldered onto the motherboard so I understand what you mean.
I might take my chances with the Vivo, there's someone whose willing to sell me one brand new with a new keyboard for $200 (CDN). Do you think at that price point I should get the vivo or should I still purchase for the surface? If I do get the surface, it will ultimately be Surface RT not 2...because it's nowhere to be found and I need one asap. The surface will likely be about $100 more not including the keyboard.
Like you i'm always concerned about build quality, I don't want it to break and have it feel like I wasted a big chunk of money on soon-to-be garbage. So, if you tell me that the Vivo Tab to you felt this way, I probably won't get it! I'll trust an XDA member's opinion over a youtube video any day haha.
Thanks again!

I'd always prefer the Vivo Tab TF600T, it has a much better and brighter screen, has a real keyboard like a notebook and in generell feels really great. It's the perfect device on the go. Also i don't like the stand of the Surface so much. While it's great on a table, it's not so great in the train, on your lap etc. In terms of performance both devices aren't the fastes but for my expectations they are fast enough.
In terms of apps it really depends, but my experience with RT is much better than with Windows 8. All Windows RT devices get firmware updates (a.k.a. drivers) with windows update. With Windows 8 tablets, you have manually download & install them. Also some apps (like Uno Friends) don't work on certain Windows 8 devices like (Samsung Ativ Tab 5 / Thinkpad Tablet 2) but work great on the Vivo Tab RT / Surface. On the top of it you don't have to worry about viruses.

[Q] Lack of Custom ROMs, Kernels for Tab 8.4

Hi,
I was planning on buying nexus 7, but then prices for tab pro 8.4 have dropped, if google nexus 7 lte costs 350$, then why not add some and buy samsung tablet with better performance, better screen and micro sd slot and many more advantages.
But from what i see, modrianlte is very short on customization,wifi version has some support at least, but lte has like 1-2 custom rom available, no custom kernels. Is the reason for such lack of customization because its too early ? Or the tablet isnt just popular enough ?

I'd like to know the same. The galaxy tab pro 8.4 looks like the closest thing to the perfect tablet to me, with the nexus 8 being somewhat a little further away. I'd love to get it asap as the price here in Sweden is almost identical to the "big" nexus 7 while being significantly better spec'd . so I'm hoping the lack of development (and dedicated forums for the different gtab pro iterations) is due to the young age of the device. Maybe someone with some more insight can shed some light on this

Keep in mind this tablet is having a bit of a short lifespan unfortunately. Blame Samsung.
Here in Canada, it's no longer available for purchase anymore and I had a HELL of a time finding the "white" Samsung OEM case for my white Tab Pro 8.4
I live in the largest city in Canada and only ONE store still had the white cases, and they only had 3 or 4 of them left, all for full MSRP price...
It's a great tablet, but IMO Samsung is a bit of a foolish company. I don't know which idiot (maybe someone in marketing) thought it would be good to release the Tab S just 3 months after general availability of the Tab PRO.
This is my first Samsung product since the Nexus S and probably my last (not due to product quality, but due to Samsung being a foolish company).

well that **** my upgrading plans. Good for them. New Revision, slightly worse specs, higher price. Now what. I love the N7 but its just a little bit too small and apart from the T320 there isnt really anything that compares by a long shot in the 8-9" range.
thanks anyways, guess the only thing to do is wait for the N8 or an upgraded N10.

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well that **** my upgrading plans. Good for them. New Revision, slightly worse specs, higher price. Now what. I love the N7 but its just a little bit too small and apart from the T320 there isnt really anything that compares by a long shot in the 8-9" range.
thanks anyways, guess the only thing to do is wait for the N8 or an upgraded N10.
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don't get me wrong, i love my Tab Pro 8.4, but i think i just have to get accustomed to using it stock (or stock + root) rather than having a HUGE selection of ROMs/kernels like my Nexus 4

my thoughts exactly. Im coming from 1st gen n7 and the n4 and im addicted to flashing sth new almost weekly so of course im used to a lot there and id never expect anything close to the variety of roms and generaly development on a the galaxy tab series. But as it is probably the most bought tablet series out there i was hoping for there atleast to be a certain amount development for it. With Google taking so long and this being such an incredible deal for the money i had hoped that that would stoke development for the tab pro here on xda.
Can you think of any alternatives offering atleast a FHD screen, not too old A15 processor and 2 gigabytes of ram for under 450 USD in a <9.9" package?

well new nexus, htc nexus 8 or 9, seems to be not the thing we are looking for, word around says it is going to expensive.
Tab S is a scam, i don't know what kind of idiot would buy that piece of crap over iPad mini.
From my point, i want to buy a tablet and use it for a long time, just like my galaxy nexus phone of which im very happy, i'm not planing on to buy, try and sell.

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Can you think of any alternatives offering atleast a FHD screen, not too old A15 processor and 2 gigabytes of ram for under 450 USD in a <9.9" package?
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Nope. Your criteria is very similar to my own! Before this tab became widely available, I was going to get the LG g pad 8.3,but its hardware is worse than the tab pro obviously. Especially the screen, ugh.
Basically, for 8" tabs it's either this or the Tab S.
BTW I think from a "sales" point of view, there are more galaxy tab 3's and 4's out there... But let's be honest even if more people have those (which in turn causes more development) their hardware is pathetic for anyone over the age of 10, lol
I'd say stick with this one and try to get all your friends to get one too, boost sales

Most unpleasant situation would be would be if idiotic samsung sold all Tabs and stopped producing.

Buy used one from swappa or CL. Then sell it when Nexus 8/9 comes out. I traded my N7 2012 for $50 GC and after all the deals/coupons/perks the tab pro cost me $240. I don't care about custom roms on tablet , all I care about is root. But on my phone I need latest the Android version so my next phone is going to be a Nexus.

I think that once you change the launcher and freeze a few apps the tab runs pretty good and you can even root it if you want. Nexus 7 is good but still smaller screen, lower resolution and slower CPU. There are a couple stockish ROM and CM for the models using a Qualcomm CPU, I find the situation not so bad looking at how young the tablets are,
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Well, what do you guys say about the new nexus, if its starting price would be 400 $, then the LTE version might go out the same price as iPad mini/Air, then why not to buy a iOS tablet rather than android if they would cost the same ? If the new nexus is going to be that expensive it must have all the other extensions that nexus series don't have, like micro sd slot, IR blaster and the other luxury toys

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Well, what do you guys say about the new nexus, if its starting price would be 400 $, then the LTE version might go out the same price as iPad mini/Air, then why not to buy a iOS tablet rather than android if they would cost the same ? If the new nexus is going to be that expensive it must have all the other extensions that nexus series don't have, like micro sd slot, IR blaster and the other luxury toys
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All just rumor for the time being, but if the Nexus 8 is going to be at the $400 price point, I would wager it would be with impressive specs and features. Yes, the Nexus 7 had a "budget" set of specs and features, but also appeals to a much lower price point (currently $229, release was $299 I believe?). Rumor also has it that its being made by HTC, which makes arguably the most beautiful smartphones around, and briefly did so with tablets. So the build quality may rival or even surpass the iPads (in my opinion the HTC M7 and M8 easily surpass the current iPhones).
I for one am happy to see the "race to the bottom" on price for small form factor Android tablets started by Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire has somewhat cooled down. Manufacturers are started to recognize that some folks actually want quality, not just cheap.

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All just rumor for the time being, but if the Nexus 8 is going to be at the $400 price point, I would wager it would be with impressive specs and features. Yes, the Nexus 7 had a "budget" set of specs and features, but also appeals to a much lower price point (currently $229, release was $299 I believe?). Rumor also has it that its being made by HTC, which makes arguably the most beautiful smartphones around, and briefly did so with tablets. So the build quality may rival or even surpass the iPads (in my opinion the HTC M7 and M8 easily surpass the current iPhones).
I for one am happy to see the "race to the bottom" on price for small form factor Android tablets started by Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire has somewhat cooled down. Manufacturers are started to recognize that some folks actually want quality, not just cheap.
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Yep, let's hope for prices that won't compare with iPad air/mini, android always has been cheaper than apple products, so changing this thing will only brings failure,

brutalsam said:
Yep, let's hope for prices that won't compare with iPad air/mini, android always has been cheaper than apple products, so changing this thing will only brings failure,
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I didn't mind paying $399 for the Pro 8.4 soon after release. The exterior design isn't quite as high-end as the Ipad Mini, but it has a higher resolution screen, MicroSD, etc.
More importantly, I'm not interested in the closed Apple ecosystem. The iPad was never a real contender for me.
But I also realize and agree that the mass market is not going to see it that way. To many, a tablet is a tablet (many don't distinguish or even understand the difference between Android and iOS); and furthermore Apple has more brand recognition and respect than Android (to the masses). Android tablets need to either carry more features and/or come in at a lower price point than the iPad in order to sell.

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I didn't mind paying $399 for the Pro 8.4 soon after release. The exterior design isn't quite as high-end as the Ipad Mini, but it has a higher resolution screen, MicroSD, etc.
More importantly, I'm not interested in the closed Apple ecosystem. The iPad was never a real contender for me.
But I also realize and agree that the mass market is not going to see it that way. To many, a tablet is a tablet (many don't distinguish or even understand the difference between Android and iOS); and furthermore Apple has more brand recognition and respect than Android (to the masses). Android tablets need to either carry more features and/or come in at a lower price point than the iPad in order to sell.
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Indeed, that's exactly what i want to say.
Anyway, iOS has more exclusive content than android, some fine games, apps first come out in the AppStore, then Android, but sometimes developers refuse to make an android version, or crappy android port.
For example, a fun app called ElfYourself was first to come out in iOS then it was ported to android, but to compare both official apps android version looks crappy, laggy, lacks some features, it was probably ported by some other developers.
That's why i want iOS tablet.

brutalsam said:
Anyway, iOS has more exclusive content than android, some fine games, apps first come out in the AppStore, then Android, but sometimes developers refuse to make an android version, or crappy android port.
For example, a fun app called ElfYourself was first to come out in iOS then it was ported to android, but to compare both official apps android version looks crappy, laggy, lacks some features, it was probably ported by some other developers.
That's why i want iOS tablet.
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If you want to talk about very particular apps and games, than yes iOS has more "exclusive" content. But there are plenty of apps for any purpose on Android, whether it be games, utilities, etc. Seriously, both iTunes and Play Store currently boast over 1.2 million apps. It used to be a big deal for iTunes to tout there number of apps when it was 50,000 or 60,000 etc. But honestly, once it went into the tens of thousands, why does it even matter? A few dozen good ones is enough. You don't even hear Apple or Google mention the total number of apps anymore, because its now irrelevant.
Yes, the quality is not always there (and there is a lot of crap to dredge through on the Play Store), but its getting better. Fact of the matter is that iOS users spend more money on apps. But on the other hand, developers can no longer ignore the fact that Android now has more market share (at least for phones) than iOS in the US (and its not even close globally). They simply can no longer ignore that customer base.
If you like iOS, then fine. Apple makes fine devices. But I personally can't stand how Apple dictates what the customer wants; instead of listening to what the public wants. How the OS looks, how it works, the device form factor (Steve Jobs "Nobody is going to buy a big phone"). iOS has hardly changed since it began. And the biggest changes to the OS appearance have actually largely stolen from HTC Sense, of all things (talk about coming full circle!). It took what, 3 or 4 years for Apple to even let folks change their wallpaper background on the iPhone? Come on!

I'm not a fan of iOS, im just trying to make point for myself, maybe you are right, maybe my infos are outdated. I just don't do much gaming or surfing or even use many kind of apps, cuz of tiny screen of the phone, that what i want to change by buying a tablet

brutalsam said:
I'm not a fan of iOS, im just trying to make point for myself, maybe you are right, maybe my infos are outdated. I just don't do much gaming or surfing or even use many kind of apps, cuz of tiny screen of the phone, that what i want to change by buying a tablet
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I'm not saying you are wrong about the apps (at least particular apps or ports). iOS certainly does get more attention from software developers. And if your goal is particular apps, games, etc. than you might not be happy with an Android tablet. As you mentioned, they don't all come to Android. And if they do, they sometimes don'r run as smoothly or get updated as often as the iOS counterparts.
But for me, there are plenty of great apps to keep me busy. I'm not a big gamer (but play a few sometimes) and most often use my tablet to web browse, read books, comics, and watch Netflix and other videos.
I'm also a big user of various Google services (Gmail, Calendar, Google Maps), and their integration into Android simply has no comparison.

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I'm not saying you are wrong about the apps (at least particular apps or ports). iOS certainly does get more attention from software developers. And if your goal is particular apps, games, etc. than you might not be happy with an Android tablet. As you mentioned, they don't all come to Android. And if they do, they sometimes don'r run as smoothly or get updated as often as the iOS counterparts.
But for me, there are plenty of great apps to keep me busy. I'm not a big gamer (but play a few sometimes) and most often use my tablet to web browse, read books, comics, and watch Netflix and other videos.
I'm also a big user of various Google services (Gmail, Calendar, Google Maps), and their integration into Android simply has no comparison.
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Well, then the android tablet is my bet.
I'm not a big gamer as you said it yourself, i plan on reading, surfing, watching movies

Don't yell at me, help me please. Choices choices

So with all of this I have a bad taste for Samsung. Not the Note 7 because it is a real marvel of a phone, but the company that kind of down played this recall and now is fixing things in the 11th hour. No matter the %, 92 isn't 37 and I hate when companies go half way on ownership.
To that end I pre-ordered an Iphone 7 plus 256GB in jet black. For the meantime while my Note sat in a drawer, I wound up using a spare new Iphone 6 that my helpdesk guy had laying around. I made things my own by adding cards to apple pay, using a hack to get icons to move down and to the right, using the IOS 10 widget panel, GMAIL, Google cal, Google Play music, news stand etc. Here is why I need help...
Iphone Cons-
No Customization and hacks to do simple things (but then, do I actually care about that anymore)
Screen is not as nice as the Note 7 (But its damn good and I notice no resolution difference. In some ways the screen is more accurate on the 7 plus based on me seeing it on the 6s plus)
The phone is huge for a 5.5" No denying that
Apple pay is NOT Samsung Pay
No Wireless Charge (whatever because I can get a dock but its just so easy)
Back button still ****ing annoys me
Notifications are better in IOS 10 than ever but still less than that of Android
EVERYONE HAS IT
Dated physical design
No QC
Makes me feel like a woman hipster with a giant manbun
Iphone Pros-
Smooth as **** (and will be in 6 months while my note surely wont be)
Touch ID is still better than the fingerprint on the note or the iris on the note
Gonna last as long on a charge even with a 2900mah battery
Multi-task is finally better and while not google, I ask you to tell me why I would care if the outcome is identical when navigating between apps
Design while old feels really smooth, premium and aluminum is less fragile for sure
IOS10 is the first IOS I don't really mind
Google services make IOS great and in 10 you can hide factory apps
Probably a slightly better camera now
A10 Fusion is fast as hell and on their software will more than likely lap the Note even from day 1 with real life use. Definitely in 6 months though
Cases are generally better and more premium
Swiftkey makes IOS also usable
Touch ID is so fast and never misses my finger. ID integration in each app
Apps are cleaner, more sophisticated looking and have features my android apps don't
God I am getting old, but everything just works and while tinkering is fun, I find myself not missing it in IOS anymore
Raise to wake takes care of the AOD need for me
Bluetooth audio and BT battery management are exponentially better than the note
So here is the truth. I feel awful leaving android, but I have now used the iphone even the smaller older one and its still fast and smooth and enjoyable. So I know you are all heated about the topic, all generally Andy fans but I ask as a fellow techy who is getting old with a couple of kids, what the **** do I choose.
P.S. Please don't bring up S pen because its not a factor for me.

I have a replacement Note 7 and it's like butter.
No lag and such a difference. Then you can go further, a Note 7 without lag, smaller bezels than the iPhone 7 Plus my headphone jack (Sorry, couldn't resist) and the ability to cutomise until my heart is content.
Enjoy your iPhone it's a fantastic device, but it's certainly no (replacement) Note 7

You have to make the decision that works best for you in the long term. would I personally go to an iPhone? Nah, in my opinion they're phones for kids/teens and the only way to make them semi usable is to add a crap-ton of Google stuff to them, or you can just get the actual google operating system wrapped in WAYYYY better looking hardware, i don't care what anyone says, the space above and below the iPhone screen is just unacceptable. I write apps for both IOS and Android and they are "smooth" because they are so limited and clocked down that they run great, but that slows trust me. Android phones tend to be power houses and can catch here and there but I've personally never experienced the lag people speak of on Touchwiz, not even when i rooted my phones back in the day, thing is people want to add everything and tweak everything to the phone then don't understand why it hits a snag every once in a while. But again, my explosive Note 7 runs perfect, no lag or anything, its buttery smooth, and all of my Samsung phones have been even when power using them.
So at this point it comes down to preference, OS wise and aesthetically. There's no question iPhone has more mainstream appeal making acquiring accessories and stuff a lot easier, But there are no shortage of Android accessories available either, and Android is meant to customize and make your own, where as IOS is set to strict guidelines to have it always look how Apple wants it to look. For everything I've listed here and more Android is just the choice for me, preferably Samsung because they've found that perfect phone formula that seems to be tailored to me personally and professionally, but that isn't everyone's taste, fact is, there really isn't anything that you get in an iPhone that you don't already get on Android, but there's a lot on Android you cant get with iPhone.
Good luck!

alltaken123 said:
I have a replacement Note 7 and it's like butter.
No lag and such a difference. Then you can go further, a Note 7 without lag, smaller bezels than the iPhone 7 Plus my headphone jack (Sorry, couldn't resist) and the ability to cutomise until my heart is content.
Enjoy your iPhone it's a fantastic device, but it's certainly no (replacement) Note 7
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I noticed that also. My replacement is noticeably smoother. My last one would randomly lag and stutter. The new one is as smooth as my Exynos S7 Edge was.
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I noticed that also. My replacement is noticeably smoother. My last one would randomly lag and stutter. The new one is as smooth as my Exynos S7 Edge was.
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Is the firmware version any different?

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Is the firmware version any different?
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Identical.
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So with all of this I have a bad taste for Samsung. Not the Note 7 because it is a real marvel of a phone, but the company that kind of down played this recall and now is fixing things in the 11th hour. No matter the %, 92 isn't 37 and I hate when companies go half way on ownership.
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What Samsung did was extraordinary and cost them billions of dollars both in cash and lost market capitalization. Based on how few phones have overheated they could have played kick-the-can and stalled this for months or been forced involuntarily in to addressing the issue. Instead they announced within a week of identifying the problem internally that they were recalling 2.5M Note7s. Clearly some here aren't in business because to think any multi-billion dollar multinational conglomerate could recall 2.5M of anything faster or better than Samsung did is a pipe dream. They obviously had their sh!t together because the recall program they were already in the process of in the U.S. was blessed within days by the CPSC.
I've been buying Samsung products for years (mostly Note phones and tablets) and this is the first serious problem I've encountered. The Note7 was the best Samsung phone I've owned before this debacle and nothing's changed after.
Audi had a huge unintentional acceleration problem, Honda is tied directly to the Takata airbag issue, GM was involved in an ignition switch problem cover-up, and VW's getting their ass kicked for screwing with emission testing. The first three are performing extremely well and VW will be fine when the dust settles. Samsung will be fine too.

Agreed, My entire house is outfitted in Samsung, I'm a definite Samsung "Fan-Boy" and because they have never let me down and always deliver the best most innovative products. My washer, dryer, TVs, Tablets, Soundbars, BT speakers, Watches, Phones, Netbooks, charging docks etc. all Samsung - and that goes for all of my Wife's products and the rest of my family (Brother, Sister, Brother in law, Mom etc.) I sold them on their first Samsung device years and they haven't looked back. I didn't fret once over this recall, I knew it was being blown out of proportion and that Samsung was all over it the best they could be and I was going to be taken care of.
If anything my Brand loyalty has been enhanced because of this, but that doesn't mean i expect Samsung to be perfect always or say they wont ever drop the ball, But I will cross that bridge when I get there, until then Samsung is my brand, and the Note 7 is a GREAT phone and has met and far exceeded my expectations both on aesthetics and performance.
Samsung came through for us on this recall regardless of how people want to perceive their approach, so to those people: please explain how they could have done it better?

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They obviously had their sh!t together because the recall program they were already in the process of in the U.S. was blessed within days by the CPSC.
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I agree that the recall has been handled well, unprecedented to get so many replacements produced and shipped so quickly (I have a replacement already).
However, the CPSC had this to say to BBC News:
Mr Kaye said Samsung should not have tried to do the recall by itself, saying: "Anybody who thinks that a company going out on its own is going to provide the best recall for that company, and more importantly for the consumer, needs to have more than their phone checked,"

alltaken123 said:
I agree that the recall has been handled well, unprecedented to get so many replacements produced and shipped so quickly (I have a replacement already).
However, the CPSC had this to say to BBC News:
Mr Kaye said Samsung should not have tried to do the recall by itself, saying: "Anybody who thinks that a company going out on its own is going to provide the best recall for that company, and more importantly for the consumer, needs to have more than their phone checked,"
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- Says the guy who makes money and gets to push his power by issuing recalls. No different than a mechanic saying "Anyone who rotates their own tires is looking to die!"
And sure, of course they did whats best for Samsung, They have to stay is business, both by cleaning up their mess as quick as possible and to their consumers liking (because we are the reason they have a business) no company is stupid enough not to try and please the consumer with their decision.

I'm just confused on the apparent blessing of the recall followed by that statement yesterday.

I knew you all would focus here. It's the problem with forums. I'm asking for honest opinions on the two devices not about the recall. It was a catalyst and now here I am at an impasse. It wouldn't even be a thought had the recall not happened but here we are.
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Iphone Cons-
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It's an iPhone.
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I'm asking for honest opinions on the two devices not about the recall.
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What's different today from the year's long discussion of Android vs. iOS? The iP7+ is as big as a house, has a 1080P IPS panel, has a 2,900mAh battery, no wireless charging, no fast charging, no audio jack, and an eco-system locked down harder than Fort Knox which offers no flexibility and customization. I didn't read your "pros" summary but I'm assuming they're what's already known. What's left to say?

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It's an iPhone.
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What's different today from the year's long discussion of Android vs. iOS? The iP7+ is as big as a house, has a 1080P IPS panel, has a 2,900mAh battery, no wireless charging, no fast charging, no audio jack, and an eco-system locked down harder than Fort Knox which offers no flexibility and customization. I didn't read your "pros" summary but I'm assuming they're what's already known. What's left to say?
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I mean the Pro's summary would be important to have an objective look no?

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Iphone Pros-
Smooth as **** (and will be in 6 months while my note surely wont be)
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I have to disagree... Before I have my Note 7, I was using my 2011 Note 1 (ran on Samsung Jelly bean stock rom)... No lag has been felt until recently when the apps I am using often are getting more and more RAM demanding...
Samsung vs iPhone should not be seen as Android vs iOS, but then when coming to which to choose, it depends on which best suits your needs (I don't view those who chose iOS over Android are any inferior). Personally I no longer find Android exciting like it used to be, but between Android devices and iPhone, I am still an Android guy. The reason for this is simple: Android has large variety of devices which I can choose from... And this time I chose Note 7 (not because I am loyal to Samsung) as it offers various exciting functions (and ya, I like the S-Pen)... As for iPhone 7 or 7+, I found the design for these device were unappealing...

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I have to disagree... Before I have my Note 7, I was using my 2011 Note 1 (ran on Samsung Jelly bean stock rom)... No lag has been felt until recently when the apps I am using often are getting more and more RAM demanding...
Samsung vs iPhone should not be seen as Android vs iOS, but then when coming to which to choose, it depends on which best suits your needs (I don't view those who chose iOS over Android are any inferior). Personally I no longer find Android exciting like it used to be, but between Android devices and iPhone, I am still an Android guy. The reason for this is simple: Android has large variety of devices which I can choose from... And this time I chose Note 7 (not because I am loyal to Samsung) as it offers various exciting functions (and ya, I like the S-Pen)...
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Now that is a good reply. Thank you for being just up front.

It looks to me like you only want 'on the fence' replies that give you no swing towards either device. I gave you real world use in that it is very smooth on the 2nd release which I presumed would have made a huge difference to your decision considering you mentioned that all was good until the recall announcement.
People have given you material and real world examples of the recall (In my case 10 days!) but you still seem bent on assuming the recall is being handled poorly.

I've read where apple has ignored people being hurt and even killed by the iPhone since 2009. Little girl had glass on her eye from it exploding, a man had third degree burns when biking he fell on it. Others died. Look it up. They said not our fault. Samsung cares more about customers. Imo so im sticking with Sammy. I hope you all find happiness with your devices, stay safe.
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Seems like we've all given the best answers we can to your question and reasons why we feel this way, ultimately the decision is yours based on what YOU like and why and how it fits into your life. The recall came up because its why you came into this dilemma in the first place.
We can tell you all day which couch your ass likes better, but in the end you're the only person who can feel the nerve endings in your ass lol, so you have make that decision based off what you like. Its like asking if I like Ham or Roast Beef more. The differences of IOS and Android are very prominent and very much talked about and public, at this point it seems you just want someone to push you in one direction or the other or give you the "go-ahead" but judging from your first post and last post, it seems like you've already chosen the iPhone and no one is gonna stop you, I choose Android wrapped in the Note 7, but that doesn't mean that's the standard everyone should live by.

That's a nice assalogy.