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I have been "leeching" from XDA for a while now and I want to give something back to XDA.
I have a webhosting business. I am not really doing anything with it at this time. I was thinking about opening it up for XDA members for file hosting.
I HATE RapidShare and other "free" sites like it... I wouldnt do anything more than some banner ads on the site, maybe some GoogleAdSense... Nothing intrusive... I promise...
Would anyone use this COMPLETELY FREE SERVICE?
Im setting it up now, 100MB for RAR and ZIP, 50MB for CABS
www.FarBeyondHosting.com
That is a very nice idea! It would be great for this great site.
I join ya! - I absoluty HATE Rapidshare too, most of the time it's busy or I'll keep on countin' the seconds
The adds are no problem, when there aren't a lot - that is...
Most of the rom's are above 100mb though...
WC
Yep file limits may not be the best but its a great idea... thanks for sharing
I have to admit, I dont know what kind of files sizes are needed for the ROMS.
I have used the roms for the 8525, and the tilt, and now the Raphael/Fuze... And those are generally less than 100MB...
What would a good size be? 200? I have unlimited space on that server...
Thanks a lot
I think this is a good idea!
btw has anybody thought how many roms there are published here?
Lol, I was just coming to post the same topic, I have unlimited space and bandwidth if I need it, do you have any bandwidth limits?
I've started hosting files for the android/kaiser project but haven't moved out into the rest of the site so far.
My idea was to just register under a username (hopefully associated with your xda account) and upload your files without size limit (unless it's over 1GB?) and also provide a link for users to view all your posted files/ROMs etc.
Seeing you're already looking into this, maybe I'll still do it, maybe I won't :-D
BTW, thanks for giving back!
Well i have my own physical server in a UK datacenter. Physical as in if i wanted to i could go there and pick it up etc.
It's an intel xeon quad core server with 4gb ram and loads of space!
It's hosted on a dedicated 100mbit connection, with offsite backups located in the USA.
Those intrested ping fbdn.net we run ESXI so basically emulating OS's for better performance etc
I dont see a problem with hosting these files will check my datacenters TOS and AUP in a sec
Hi there.
Wouldn't it be nice if xda-developers ha a system for letting the users create torrents when they need to upload something? Many of the developers here use sites like rapidshare and similar to upload their stuff. I don't like those sites and would rather see that the uploaders used a torrent system.
I can create a separate torrent page for you if you like...
Great Idea
dongrif said:
Hi there.
Wouldn't it be nice if xda-developers ha a system for letting the users create torrents when they need to upload something? Many of the developers here use sites like rapidshare and similar to upload their stuff. I don't like those sites and would rather see that the uploaders used a torrent system.
I can create a separate torrent page for you if you like...
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You nailed it buddy..We need exactly the same !..I am using a 16 MBPS connection and it can't do jack since it seems the ISP is using some proxy kinda system and whenever I try and download...it says your Quota is finished.. Anyways, I hope we have such a system too..I won't mind uploading ROMS using Torrents to other users..
Niice Idea
would be pretty cool and lessen the need for mirrors
Torrents are associated with warez so I don´t think this idea will be moving forwards
We do the association with loading "sinful things" using torrents...so WE as in the general Internet Users started it..I feel that if we start using torrents for sharing ROMs etc..that perception..at least between XDA users will change..and how about Private Trackers...
Explanation as per one of the websites..Looks legit enough to me..
A private tracker is a tracker which allows only registered users to download torrents. The registered users are required to maintain a certain upload-to-download ratio and are banned if the ratio is too low. This ensures that the users don’t just leech the files but also seed them after downloading it completely, which in turn ensures that you get very fast download speeds.
bamit99 said:
We do the association with loading "sinful things" using torrents...so WE as in the general Internet Users started it..I feel that if we start using torrents for sharing ROMs etc..that perception..at least between XDA users will change..and how about Private Trackers...
Explanation as per one of the websites..Looks legit enough to me..
A private tracker is a tracker which allows only registered users to download torrents. The registered users are required to maintain a certain upload-to-download ratio and are banned if the ratio is too low. This ensures that the users don’t just leech the files but also seed them after downloading it completely, which in turn ensures that you get very fast download speeds.
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Sounds good to me
I've experimented with torrents as a distribution means, but it just doesn't work, as a huge %age of our users were in the UK, most with appalling upload speeds.
You can't expect people to seed a file to a 1:1 ratio if they are on a 30 KBps upload (absolute max), but 8 Mbps down... Bear in mind that at 30 KBps you would have your uploads saturated, so 10 KB/s is more realistic...
And XDA-Developers does not get involved in the distribution of ROMs, or their storage.
Hmm... To be fair my upload speed that I get is about 3kb/s where as download is about 200kb/s
So I won't be able to keep up that ratio
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Hmm... To be fair my upload speed that I get is about 3kb/s where as download is about 200kb/s
So I won't be able to keep up that ratio
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No worries buddy.. I am sure out of 3 millions XDA Users, we will find a lot with a decent bandwidth Internet...
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Torrents are associated with warez so I don´t think this idea will be moving forwards
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Thats very inaccurate. Its just a means of acquiring "illegal" content. Thats like saying cars are associated with hit and runs so nobody should drive.
Ok you words are more precise
nvm, someone beat me to the torrent thing.
Anyway, if torrents were also web-seeded I see no reason why it wouldn't work.
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nvm, someone beat me to the torrent thing.
Anyway, if torrents were also web-seeded I see no reason why it wouldn't work.
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Who would pay for the servers required for web seeding?
XDA won't get involved in distribution of ROMs, and as a server admin, I can assure you that I wouldn't want the traffic from a web seeding box on any of my servers... While it's all a lovely hypothetical idea, torrents just don't seem to be the best way to distribute ROMs. Someone ultimately has to upload the file to other peers at their broadband upload speed... Who's gonna wait an hour downloading a file from me, only to then have to seed to someone else? Starting them off would take ages
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Just wondering, never really been in the WM scene, and I was wondering how much roughlyin MB are the Roms?? For android they re 90MB on average, You could get like a stock cynageon rom only being 60mb and a full sense rom 110 ish lol
Thanks
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WM Energy ROM for Leo is about 170Mb but leaves you more free RAM than Android Froyo 2.2...
orb3000 said:
WM Energy ROM for Leo is about 170Mb but leaves you more free RAM than Android Froyo 2.2...
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Cool thanks
Im thinking I may take this project on, If your a knowledgeable person when ity comes to roms or ideally a dev and would like to be staff on a xda releases torrent site drop me a pm.
If there is allot of interest in this I may provide the site/server/webseeds
I know this is old news but I thought I could at least put my two cents in:
I have been on other private trackers that are closer to a .8:1 ratio. To help those with severely throttled uploads, couldn't we make it more like .1:1?
I am not a coder, but love what you guys do, and I use many of your solutions. I would love to have a way to contribute back on a consistent basis. I have a 1MB upload (which I realize isn't huge) and lots of HD space, and a computer that stays on 24/7. I figure those of us that have a decent upload will help those that can't share much back.
I'd like to say that I support this fully! One more advantage that needs to be listed would the ability to resume downloads and not need to restart corrupt ones!
I have a 150GB GoDaddy server itching for ROMs, kernels, themes, etc. Email me at [email protected] and I'll create an FTP account for you. Your path will be something like http://www.heylisten.org/ROM/android/your-xda-username unless you request something different. All that I request in return is that you try to recommend users to my index site, http://www.heylisten.org/ROM, when appropriate. Your ROMs can be included in said index if you tell me where to find them and how to list them (phone name, base). The Inc section is the only one that works right now, but I'm working on expanding the site.
Thanks!
Yeah Im tired of mediafire and rapidshare bull aswell, I have 4 servers 2 home and 2 on godaddy. I can mirror if anyone cares ([email protected])
i offered up space on my webdomain.. it went unheard .. devs like the media sites cause they can monitor clicks.. i monkeywrench em and download files multiple times .. your counts arent true!!!!!
To devs: with a normal FTP server, you can use ROM Manager and QR code downloads, as well as the RM web link thing. C'mon, I didn't get the 150GB plan for nothing, did I?
Mobileunderground offered free ftp space for rom chefs as long as they just mirrored their threads there aswell.
I know alot of rom chefs use it to track their downloads, or to earn some extra cash by using the sharing sites (or extra bandwith to dl other things online).
There have been tons of sites that have mirrored roms and other items, but in the long run, they end up getting shut down either by htc, google, microsoft, or the webhost's request them to go down for using them to host files when it says not to in the TOS...
read the TOS, 99.9% of webhosts will have that in there, once you start getting into tens of gigs of data, they will tell you to remove the file within 2-3days....I know, it happened to MobileUnderground multiple times since I have been a mod over there...
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Mobileunderground offered free ftp space for rom chefs as long as they just mirrored their threads there aswell.
I know alot of rom chefs use it to track their downloads, or to earn some extra cash by using the sharing sites (or extra bandwith to dl other things online).
There have been tons of sites that have mirrored roms and other items, but in the long run, they end up getting shut down either by htc, google, microsoft, or the webhost's request them to go down for using them to host files when it says not to in the TOS...
read the TOS, 99.9% of webhosts will have that in there, once you start getting into tens of gigs of data, they will tell you to remove the file within 2-3days....I know, it happened to MobileUnderground multiple times since I have been a mod over there...
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exactly my reason for staying with multiupload.... i have a godaddy account but they have required me to pull my files more than once... its too much of a pain to redo all of that
I have about 3TB of traffic weekly. Been running solid for about 5 months.
I looked over the ToS. As long as I don't go over 150GB I'm good, because I have unlimited bandwith.
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I looked over the ToS. As long as I don't go over 150GB I'm good, because I have unlimited bandwith.
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The tens of gigs statement was only used because that's when they notice that you are using it to distribute or backup files without paying for a package that allows this. It has happened to TONS of chefs/websites that hold ROMs and other items.
It's been proven time and time again that it does not work...
Maybe if you had a dedicated server, things might be different...But the traffic to the sites that host such roms are retardedly high and the webhosts see that and shut you down....
It does not take very long.
Trust me, I've had to backup the entire ftp of MobileUnderground onto my 2tb external only to upload it to the new server and have the same thing happen to us in about a two month span with three or so webhosts.
Stick around for about 2 years and you'll see it happen to plenty of people.
DesireC said:
I looked over the ToS. As long as I don't go over 150GB I'm good, because I have unlimited bandwith.
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No, you did not read the TOS closely enough.
DesireC said:
To devs: with a normal FTP server, you can use ROM Manager and QR code downloads, as well as the RM web link thing. C'mon, I didn't get the 150GB plan for nothing, did I?
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Yes, you did.
codybear said:
Mobileunderground offered free ftp space for rom chefs as long as they just mirrored their threads there aswell.
I know alot of rom chefs use it to track their downloads, or to earn some extra cash by using the sharing sites (or extra bandwith to dl other things online).
There have been tons of sites that have mirrored roms and other items, but in the long run, they end up getting shut down either by htc, google, microsoft, or the webhost's request them to go down for using them to host files when it says not to in the TOS...
read the TOS, 99.9% of webhosts will have that in there, once you start getting into tens of gigs of data, they will tell you to remove the file within 2-3days....I know, it happened to MobileUnderground multiple times since I have been a mod over there...
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Yup.
savoxis said:
I have about 3TB of traffic weekly. Been running solid for about 5 months.
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You've just slipped under their radar so far.
codybear said:
The tens of gigs statement was only used because that's when they notice that you are using it to distribute or backup files without paying for a package that allows this. It has happened to TONS of chefs/websites that hold ROMs and other items.
It's been proven time and time again that it does not work...
Maybe if you had a dedicated server, things might be different...But the traffic to the sites that host such roms are retardedly high and the webhosts see that and shut you down....
It does not take very long.
Trust me, I've had to backup the entire ftp of MobileUnderground onto my 2tb external only to upload it to the new server and have the same thing happen to us in about a two month span with three or so webhosts.
Stick around for about 2 years and you'll see it happen to plenty of people.
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Here's the email I got from GoDaddy when we were hosted by them months ago:
Dear Sir/Madam,
It appears as though your mobileunderground.info hosting account is being used as a file repository. You may review the Storage and Security section of our Hosting Service Agreement for further clarification. If you are interested in keeping file backups, you will need to purchase the Online File Folder, a Virtual Dedicated Server, or a Dedicated Server.
Specifically, the following currently appear to be in violation:
/_db_backups 4.12 GB
/captainback 10.93 GB
/omj09 4.76 GB
/indagroove
25.31 GB
/tmartin09 3.34 GB
/sohkis 2.02 GB
/asusmobile 1.95
GB
/ai6908 2.14 GB
/smiznith 5.91 GB
/ericwgarza1 3.32 GB
/formula84
1.73 GB
/rbolen70 1.15 GB
Please remove all files not being referenced to a website and/or explain how they are being used by the web site by July 15, 2010 at 7:00 AM MST.
We will review the mobileunderground.info hosting account again at that time. If we do not receive a reply to this notice, or the content in question is not removed, access to that content will be disabled.
Please call us at 480-505-8871 or reply to this email with the necessary information so that we can review this issue further. We appreciate your understanding and cooperation in this matter.
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Hello XDA Moderators!
First of all I want to apologize if this topic has been already discussed or is it forbidden (I didn't found such restrictions in the rules)
Anyway, since I got my HTC Desire S this forum is the primary source of information for me, and most probably for all the other visitors around.
And especially when it comes to custom rom files there are sometimes troubles with dead links, crappy file sharing sites with stupid limitations, etc.
So I think it will be much more convenient for everyone (devs and users) to use the torrent system via magnet link (combined with QR scan maybe) for all the files that are posted around here. The download speed will be much better and all that have downloaded the file once will contribute by seeding it to the others. And of course via the appropriate client the files can be downloaded directly to the SD Card (this is possible now through the phone web browser, but a lot of steps are required - waiting, human security check forms, etc.). And last but not least one of the greatest advantages is that on single torrent there can be multiple files, that one can pick to download or not (for example all radio images for a specific model, etc.)
Looking forward to your comments.
no interest?
Obviously not...
Well... I do direct download links for ROMs, on several gigabit servers. So it's of no interest here...
P2P systems also require client software, meaning people downloading via their phone might have issues...
But I personally see no need for a different download system, and nobody has ever complained about waiting times or ads for direct uploads
Thank you for this reply
Agreed with above commenters but I can't disagree with OP either.
It's true that torrents may present an issue due to the requirement of a client but a torrent has one huge advantage - integrity.
Torrent clients automatically check the files for integrity. Also, torrents can provided reliable downloads for larger files.
However, I hardly think torrents are relevant here. Torrents are useful only for large files. Most of the files shared on XDA are 500MB at the most. Most ROMs are 100MB and apks are around 1-15MB.
Although RapidShare is annoying, there are other pretty reliable file sharing services like MediaFire. MediaFire is by far my most favorite site for mass file sharing and Dropbox is pretty reliable too although Dropbox has a 10GB/day traffic limit per account.
Check out these sites listed at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1210372 for remote uploading to dropbox where you download the file directly to dropbox and then download it from dropbox. Pretty useful if the download speeds are too low.
Curious..
Browser add-ons bring torrent to your normal browser download. Opera has had one for quite some time out of the box. But you can even get a real torrent client for Android now.
And to be frank, as long as the OP provides checksums, the value of integrety should remain. I get eered out downloading from some of these file share sites, plus with all the spammy ads and what not!
Maybe somebody should make an XDA related torrent cache?
I've been noticing that most of you developers use file hosts for your ROMs. Yes that's quite reliable, but sometimes speeds are horribly slow.. One day I've noticed people will be maxing their speed, then another they will be going super slow.. Like downloading 100kb a sec instead of like 1.8mb (1.8 is the max download speed with 15mbs Internet for example).
Though a little less reliable, there's torrents you guys could set up.. With the mass amount of supporters, seeding is another way to support your ROMs, and when you got seeders, you can max out your speed always. If there's some big specific reason you guys don't, I would understand lol.
Sometimes, 2 or 3 seeders is all you need.
Mainly because I do not like my computer sitting there linked to a torrent site when there main use is for piracy. Many sites have been blocked by Homeland Security just to have to open a new site. I prefer my IP address not be sitting there when these things happen. File hosting is the safest means and there are many free ones available so several mirrors can be put up.
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Mainly because I do not like my computer sitting there linked to a torrent site when there main use is for piracy. Many sites have been blocked by Homeland Security just to have to open a new site. I prefer my IP address not be sitting there when these things happen. File hosting is the safest means and there are many free ones available so several mirrors can be put up.
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There are non-piracy bittorrent trackers out there. Additionally it isn't that hard to set one up.
ReapersDeath said:
I've been noticing that most of you developers use file hosts for your ROMs. Yes that's quite reliable, but sometimes speeds are horribly slow.. One day I've noticed people will be maxing their speed, then another they will be going super slow.. Like downloading 100kb a sec instead of like 1.8mb (1.8 is the max download speed with 15mbs Internet for example).
Though a little less reliable, there's torrents you guys could set up.. With the mass amount of supporters, seeding is another way to support your ROMs, and when you got seeders, you can max out your speed always. If there's some big specific reason you guys don't, I would understand lol.
Sometimes, 2 or 3 seeders is all you need.
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Better yet, newer clients support "web seeds" which allow the client to download over HTTP in addition to anything it can get from the swarm. In the worst case scenario (no peers) the user will still be able to complete the download. Also, Cyanogenmod already offers torrents at get.cm.
harpdarp said:
There are non-piracy bittorrent trackers out there. Additionally it isn't that hard to set one up.
Better yet, newer clients support "web seeds" which allow the client to download over HTTP in addition to anything it can get from the swarm. In the worst case scenario (no peers) the user will still be able to complete the download. Also, Cyanogenmod already offers torrents at get.cm.
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Then what is needed is a thread explaining how to set this up and with which free safe sites. It is more common knowledge on setting up a dev-host or androidfilehost account and just upload then to set up bittorrent trackers.
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kennyglass123 said:
Then what is needed is a thread explaining how to set this up and with which free safe sites. It is more common knowledge on setting up a dev-host or androidfilehost account and just upload then to set up bittorrent trackers.
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Not all are for piracy. Not to mention that should be coming to a halt soon. Apparently several Internet providers signed a contract about a 6 strike thing. The government refused to make it a law, but anyways, downloading ILLEGAL pirated torrents will now result in strikes. You will be warned in the mail. First 3 are warnings and then the last 3 are bad news. If you hit 6 total, your Internet is slowed to a crawl. (my friends deep in the torrent community). Anyways, there's a couple different sides of torrents.. The piracy side, and then the actual file sharing side.. As you guys are the owners and makers of the ROMs, you can share them as you feel, ie, the original purpose of torrents. Bittorrent is quite nice Imo. I'll post some info on how to do some of this stuff.
And also, if you own a sever, you could have the server seed or host the torrent instead of using your bandwidth.
I mainly only brought this up because dev host is some times so slow that it could take like 3 hours sometimes..
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i have to agree with this. torrents are just easier, and much faster. file hosting, i'm sitting there waiting an hour or 4 sometimes, depending on the hosting site, while i'm downloading a torrent at 800kb/sec. Torrents have a stereotype, but we need to stop the hate!
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i have to agree with this. torrents are just easier, and much faster. file hosting, i'm sitting there waiting an hour or 4 sometimes, depending on the hosting site, while i'm downloading a torrent at 800kb/sec. Torrents have a stereotype, but we need to stop the hate!
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Lol with most torrents i get 1.8mb a second of download speed XD takes like 5-10 mins depending.
Sadly, i only know the basics of setting up a torrent. Just open bittorrent and click create torrent, select the file, then check the box saying seed, then distribute the torrent file. People just click it, it opens a torrent program, downloads, and then automatically seeds unless cancelled. Just need to ask people to seed to show support.
so in the end, 100kb/s or 1.8MB/s? (18 just an example of some peoples max)
The issue with torrents is that not everyone knows how to setup a client and use it. There's other stuff that can complicate things too. If port forwarding isn't setup speeds can be sub-par. Also some ISPs heavily throttle bittorrent traffic regardless of its content.
Personally, ROM torrents sound like a good idea. Popular ROMs would distribute quickly on the week of release since there would be hundreds of seeds, whereas something like devhost would be slower than a snail.
There is a another downside to peer-to-peer. Viruses. Not everyone is diligent and you don't know where those computers have been.
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There is a another downside to peer-to-peer. Viruses. Not everyone is diligent and you don't know where those computers have been.
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Like sleeping with that really hot chic that has herpes, cuz she didn't have an outbreak at the time. If she's too hot to be putting out on the first date, run!
I like to break stuff!