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hi! im one of those G2 users that was unlocked but no network signal.. i know that this has been fixed.. just want to ask since im really not familiar with all the terms..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_G2
what exactly means " You will need to download a program called gfree that will first copy partition 7 of the phone, then patch it, then reflash back to your phone"
im using mac.. download already sdk.. my phone already recognized.. i just dont know what exactly to do with the gfree_02 zip file or how do i open it. thanks.
You need a tool on your Mac that can recognise ZIP files and un-zip them. I had a quick Google and found loads. I don't know whether there's anything built-in though, I know very little about Macs.
All you need to do is to extract the contents of gfree_02.zip to your Mac, then you can follow the rest of the instructions. I assume you have got adb working, based on what you've said.
You can probably just double click it to unzip it or, maybe right click and open with Archive Utility.
What version OS are you running on your Mac? 10.5? 10.6? etc..
unzip files, place in the platform-tools older where your adb is, open up terminal and push the files to your phone then run terminal emulator and follow this wiki article.
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=TMobile_G2:_Rooting
m0bstar said:
unzip files, place in the platform-tools older where your adb is, open up terminal and push the files to your phone then run terminal emulator and follow this wiki article.
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=TMobile_G2:_Rooting
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hi! thanks for the quick response i tried doing but when i typed adb push gfree /data/local it says (gfree folder is in the platform tools folder)
cannot stat 'gfree': No such file or directory
or
when i type in adb push /Users/xxxxxx/Desktop/gfree_02 it says (gfree is in desktop)
Android Debug Bridge version 1.0.26 - (and shows all the commands)
all i need is to push gfree right? but i cant do the right command.. pls help thanks
It's hard to say, but it seems like you haven't unzipped the .zip file yet. Can you see the files? There should be about 9 files, mostly ending in .c and .h You only need the one called gfree (with no extension).
if you did unzip and gfree in on the desktop - you can see the file, not just the enclosing folder, then try:
adb push /Users/xxxxxx/Desktop/gfree
now it says:
$ adb push /Users/xxxxxxx/Desktop/gfree
adb: permission denied
is there like a step by step on how to do it?
Did you put in the target location? The /data/local/ bit at the end
Adb push /users.../desktop/gfree_02/gfree /data/local/
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accons said:
now it says:
$ adb push /Users/xxxxxxx/Desktop/gfree
adb: permission denied
is there like a step by step on how to do it?
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Are you typing that on your phone (terminal emulator) or on your PC/Mac ? It needs to be on your PC/Mac, not the phone.
You need to unzip the gfree files and place them individually in the platform-tools folder not as /plantform-tools/gfree/.
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make sure type in terminal "cd /computer-name/sdk-folder-location/platform-tools/"
then follow through with "./adb"
and then start pushing the gfree files with "./adb push gfree"
thanks for all your reply!
im done with these:
make sure type in terminal "cd /computer-name/sdk-folder-location/platform-tools/"
then follow through with "./adb"
and then start pushing the gfree files with "./adb push gfree"
and then i typed ./adb shell as mentioned on the wiki:
On your computer's terminal/command line, navigate to where the gfree file is, and then…
adb push gfree /data/local
adb shell
but when i tried the next step on wiki
This copies gfree to your phone, then puts you in your phone's terminal. Then (IN THE ADB SHELL) do this:
su
cd /data/local
chmod 777 gfree
./gfree -f
sync
when i typed su --it says
su: permission denied
what happened? thanks.
sounds like you arent temp rooted, you sure you temp rooted first?
i havent temp root my phone yet.. coz when i type
$ adb push su /sdcard/su
when i hit enter it will reply
cannot stat 'su': No such file or directory
i need the right command for my mac and also the right path for my g2 terminal emulator.. coz the initial command is export PATH+/data/local/bin:$PATH
is this correct or do i need to change the directory or my command.
all i really need is to "unlock" my phone..
thank you..
accons said:
i havent temp root my phone yet.. coz when i type
$ adb push su /sdcard/su
when i hit enter it will reply
cannot stat 'su': No such file or directory
i need the right command for my mac and also the right path for my g2 terminal emulator.. coz the initial command is export PATH+/data/local/bin:$PATH
is this correct or do i need to change the directory or my command.
all i really need is to "unlock" my phone..
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Your PATH is ok because it is finding the "adb" command ok.
What isn't ok is that it can't find "su" when you try to use adb to copy (push) it to the phone. You need to do a "cd" to change directory to wherever you unzipped the files that you are trying to push.
e.g. if "su" and the other files are in /tmp on your Mac, then you need to do "cd /tmp" and then run the adb commands.
So i have adb connected with my g2 and i am trying to root using http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855764
but i dont get this step
On your computer's terminal/command line, navigate to where the gfree file is, and then..
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do i use cd? or what
zbrah said:
So i have adb connected with my g2 and i am trying to root using http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855764
but i dont get this step .
do i use cd? or what
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yes
10char
EdKeys said:
yes
10char
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what does 10char mean?
what command do i type in cd and then the gfree file location
10char is a forum meme where you reply to a post in under 10 characters. Yes, you cd to the directory the gfree is in.
ok so do i just say where the file is or do i put the file name too
like cd downloads/gfree_02
or cd downloads/gfree_02/gfree
The directory.
after it says adb is not recongnized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file
i dont why it says because i have to adb setup
zbrah said:
after it says adb is not recongnized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file
i dont why it says because i have to adb setup
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Are you cd'ing to the folder that has adb.exe in it? that might be it.
edit to add: an easy way to do it is to right click on the folder while you hold down on the shift key. Then select "open command window here". adb.exe is most likely in the SDK tools folder
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what am i doing wrong?
.... do you have the Android SDK installed?
i set up adb using second method of this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865685 if that helps at all
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.... do you have the Android SDK installed?
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do i need it? i just set up adb using without it
zbrah said:
http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u322/amarbrah/snipe.jpg
what am i doing wrong?
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adb is not going to work if you don't have it (adb.exe) in that gfree_02 folder that you are cd'ing to
As stated before, you have to be in the directory where adb.exe (so the directory you created when you extracted the ADB files from the other thread).
Then place the files you are trying to push in that directory as well. Alternatively, you can setup the location as ADB in your path environment variable (as explained in first part of the guide you linked to).
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adb is not going to work if you don't have it (adb.exe) in that gfree_02 folder that you are cd'ing to
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http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u322/amarbrah/wtf.jpg
now i got this
all the adb and gfree files are in one folder now
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heres a pic of the folder im cd'ing
There's no gfree file in that directory... You might want to extract the gfree zip file again.
is this what am i suppose to have
ianmcquinn said:
There's no gfree file in that directory... You might want to extract the gfree zip file again.
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i have gfree in it now
Hi Guys, Im attempting to gain root for the first time on my (Telus Desire HD). I am well aware that I need to downgrade but cant get, dont understand the following...
B.a Downgrade Process
1- Copy the PD98IMG.zip file from the "Step 1 - PD98IMG" folder and put it on the root of your SD card (i.e. not in any folders). Do NOT rename this file.
2- Go to the "Common files" folder and double click Start Here.
3- Copy the files in "Step 3 - Downgrade" to the "Common files" folder.
4- In the new command window that opens, type the following commands (you shouldn't get any errors. hit enter after each):
Code:
adb push psneuter /data/local/tmp
adb push misc_version /data/local/tmp
adb shell chmod 777 /data/local/tmp/psneuter
adb shell chmod 777 /data/local/tmp/misc_version
adb shell /data/local/tmp/psneuter
adb shell[/B]
When asked to copy the files in step 3- "Downgrade" to the common files folder... where was I supposed to locate this??? is it supposed to b on my computer C drive where it was downloaded to was I supposed to copy that too to the phone external drive.
Plain & simple the 4th step the new command window doesnt open & attempting to re-open after copying the files to the common folder doesnt give the "#" symbol when im finnished. Tried multiple times. Also phone is set to usb debugging... but should it be mounted, charge only, or htc sync?
Thanks any help greatly appreciated.
Not wanting to quite & keep trying I attempted to find out @ which step the cmd stopped working or responding. when entering the...
adb shell chmod 777 /data/local/tmp/psneuter portion of the above task this is the message that came back.
Failed to set prot mask (inappropriate ioctl for device)
I also noticed that htc sync stopped working after the first of 5 lines.
Also being a noob, I need to complete 10 replies before asking those in the development portion ss yeah sorry.
Another note: to which led me to the need to get root access soon is that telus just released an OTA update that doesnt work, so much that did work now doesnt or fails every 10 seconds.
Still no luck today, same responses as above.
All of the telus related posts I have read suggest using the same method but I havent read anyone getting stuck at this simple step so early on.
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This is what I get. I have also tried from other locations and I get the same result. Please help.
The attached is a pic of what i get in the cmd
the common folder is in the telus desire hd folder after you have extracted the package.
Thanks, I was aware of that. I think mabey the whole issue has something to do with the lame OTA update i just installed. It Changed my software # to 2.43.661.1
As I have been made aware by other topics... Version 2.3 + can not yet be downgraded.
Would be quite interested in knowing when I can downgrade version 2.43.661.1
Learn how to predict the future then Because nobody knows.
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How can I force install an apk? I just started running JellyBam 5.2 on my sprint s3 and really want ALL of the stock apps. I have S voice, paper artist, and the file manager. But it will not let me install video player nor music hub. I have the apks, can I force install them.
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Try installing through your computer.
Connect the phone, turn on usb debugging, and run the following, replacing "app.apk" with the name of each app
Code:
adb install -r app.apk
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Tutorial?
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Download adb from my dev-host right here. Grab the "adb_windows.zip" and extract it somewhere
Now take the app you wanna install and copy it into the folder where you extracted the contents of "adb_windows". The app will be referred to as "app.apk"
Then go to the extracted folder and Shift+RightClick > Open command window here
Type the following into the terminal and press enter
Code:
adb install -r app.apk
Make sure "usb debugging" is enabled on your phone (Settings > Developer options)
Some you have to move to system/app and reboot
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gtuansdiamm said:
Some you have to move to system/app and reboot
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This installs as a user app
Code:
adb install -r app.apk
This installs as a system app
Code:
adb push app.apk /system/app
Alternate version that pushes to sd, and then uses a superuser command to copy to /system/app
Code:
adb push app.apk /sdcard/app.apk
adb shell "su -c 'mount -o rw,remount system; cp /sdcard/app.apk /system/app/app.apk'"
adb shell "su -c 'mount -o ro,remount system"
EDIT: Changed push code. It was just pushing to sdcard before, sorry
Correct me if the internal sd is not called "sdcard" as I do not have this phone yet
EDIT2: Thanks whiplashh
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Correct me if the internal sd is not called "sdcard" as I do not have this phone yet
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You are correct. It is sdcard unless its an aosp ROM then it is sdcard0
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Hey just googled this question and this thread came up. Thank you all for this method. Worked for me on 4.2 :beer:
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Gazzuk said:
Hey just googled this question and this thread came up. Thank you all for this method. Worked for me on 4.2 :beer:
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No problem
Just an FYI, but this works for all android versions :beer:
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I get the following when using ADB to install
[email protected]:~/Copy/HTC_One/TV$ adb install -r com.htc.videoCenter.apk
adb server is out of date. killing...
* daemon started successfully *
4381 KB/s (1989867 bytes in 0.443s)
pkg: /data/local/tmp/com.htc.videoCenter.apk
Failure [INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_NO_CERTIFICATES]
CNexus said:
Try installing through your computer.
Connect the phone, turn on usb debugging, and run the following, replacing "app.apk" with the name of each app
Code:
adb install -r app.apk
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Floyd_Flivercod said:
I get the following when using ADB to install
[email protected]:~/Copy/HTC_One/TV$ adb install -r com.htc.videoCenter.apk
adb server is out of date. killing...
* daemon started successfully *
4381 KB/s (1989867 bytes in 0.443s)
pkg: /data/local/tmp/com.htc.videoCenter.apk
Failure [INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_NO_CERTIFICATES]
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Try this
Code:
adb push app.apk /sdcard
adb shell su -c "pm install /sdcard/app.apk"
Either way, that app looks like a system app, so you should push it to /system/app.
Use my code from a couple posts above to do that.
The Thanks button is just to avoid "THANKS" posts in threads. Nothing more. Don't defeat the purpose of why it was introduced.
CNexus said:
Download adb from my dev-host right here. Grab the "adb_windows.zip" and extract it somewhere
Now take the app you wanna install and copy it into the folder where you extracted the contents of "adb_windows". The app will be referred to as "app.apk"
Then go to the extracted folder and Shift+RightClick > Open command window here
Type the following into the terminal and press enter
Code:
adb install -r app.apk
Make sure "usb debugging" is enabled on your phone (Settings > Developer options)
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Could you reupload adb?
Schwabie64 said:
Could you reupload adb?
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Ah, out looks like dev-host mixed up my links
It's still there, but here's the right link: http://d-h.st/users/CNexus/?fld_id=7741#files
The Thanks button is just to avoid "THANKS" posts in threads. Nothing more. Don't defeat the purpose of why it was introduced.
trevonc91 said:
How can I force install an apk? I just started running JellyBam 5.2 on my sprint s3 and really want ALL of the stock apps. I have S voice, paper artist, and the file manager. But it will not let me install video player nor music hub. I have the apks, can I force install them.
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any Help ?
Attempting to install ROMToolboxPr.apk...
adb server is out of date. killing...
* daemon started successfully *
3772 KB/s (7900663 bytes in 2.045s)
pkg: /data/local/tmp/ROMToolboxPr.apk
Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_UID_CHANGED] :crying:
Welp please
Welp:
C:\Users\kuba\Desktop\Desktop Stuff\adb_windows\adb_windows>adb install -r app.apk
* daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 *
* daemon started successfully *
3346 KB/s (911481 bytes in 0.266s)
pkg: /data/local/tmp/app.apk
Failure [INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_NO_CERTIFICATES]
I renamed the app to app.apk (didn't enter the extension, was already there) and it didn't work. I did open it with WinRAR but I didn't change anything in the META-INF folder.
Phone: Samsung Galaxy Y GT-S5360
LanCeeXD said:
Welp:
C:\Users\kuba\Desktop\Desktop Stuff\adb_windows\adb_windows>adb install -r app.apk
* daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 *
* daemon started successfully *
3346 KB/s (911481 bytes in 0.266s)
pkg: /data/local/tmp/app.apk
Failure [INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_NO_CERTIFICATES]
I renamed the app to app.apk (didn't enter the extension, was already there) and it didn't work. I did open it with WinRAR but I didn't change anything in the META-INF folder.
Phone: Samsung Galaxy Y GT-S5360
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No, you replace app.apk with the name of the app you are trying to install in the command. ex- Facebook.apk
And depending on what it is you may have to push it to system/app instead of data/app
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CNexus said:
This installs as a user app
Code:
adb install -r app.apk
This installs as a system app
Code:
adb push app.apk /system/app
Alternate version that pushes to sd, and then uses a superuser command to copy to /system/app
Code:
adb push app.apk /sdcard/app.apk
adb shell "su -c 'mount -o rw,remount system; cp /sdcard/app.apk /system/app/app.apk'"
adb shell "su -c 'mount -o ro,remount system"
EDIT: Changed push code. It was just pushing to sdcard before, sorry
Correct me if the internal sd is not called "sdcard" as I do not have this phone yet
EDIT2: Thanks whiplashh
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I tried that, but I get this error:
xBeNx69 said:
I tried that, but I get this error:
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It looks like the apk is bad (not compiled correctly)
My ROM: WICKED X
bilgerryan said:
It looks like the apk is bad (not compiled correctly)
My ROM: WICKED X
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I took this APK from a samsung stock rom apps, is there anyway i can resign it to work on my device?
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xBeNx69 said:
I took this APK from a samsung stock rom apps, is there anyway i can resign it to work on my device?
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I'm guessing it you took it from an odexed stock ROM and you're trying to use it on a deodexed ROM.
My ROM: WICKED X
Ok, so most of you probably already know people can screen shot your snapshot stuff, but you will obviously know.. Root users know you can just grab them without opening..How do you do so?
On the S3, you just open root explorer or something similar, go to data/data/apps/com.snapchat or w/e, then go to cache, and then theres a received image folder but at /sdcard/android/data/com.Snapchat.Android/cache is the videos. Just take whats in those, copy them, paste them somewhere on your sd card thats easily accessible, and then remove the .nodata at the end so only the image type of video format remains. Then, you have the images, actually saved, never expires, and they dont appear as opened on snapchat unless you press the button.
Remember, be careful of what you send people =p
I made a post asking if anyone who knows scripting wanted to make a script to go to the folders and grab them and drop them into a easy access folder and remove the .nodata at the end but there was no hits on that =p
When I go into the recieved images folder, theres nothing there....
Script coming...
EDIT: I need the exact path to each image
Or am I right in thinking that is like this?
com.xxxx/cache/receivedImages/xxxxx.nodata
@ReapersDeath
Script is finished and working, I just need the path now. Just give me a sample path to 1 image and 1 video
Images are each named differently so nothing specific but for images, /data/data/apps/com.Snapchat.Android/cache/received_image_snaps/xxxxx.jpg.nodata
Correcting myself from op, but for videos /sdcard/android/data/com.Snapchat.Android/cache/received_video_snaps/xxxxxx.mp4.nodata
So this script copies them to a new location and removes the .nodata?
And is there a way you could make this script into like a widget that you press and it does It? Or any app you know
Also, for videos I've noticed, when ever you open an app over Snap chat, videos instantly unload, ie the folder disappears for videos. Forcing you to use multi Window and root explorer to load the video and grab it without shrinking Snap chat
Code:
#!/system/bin/sh
OUT=/sdcard/snapchat
IN=/data/data/com.snapchat.android/cache
IMG=received_image_snaps
VID=received_video_snaps
su
mkdir -p $OUT/$IMG
mkdir -p $OUT/$VID
cd $IN/$IMG
for file in *; do name=${file%.*}; busybox cp $file $OUT/$IMG/$name; done
cd $IN/$VID
for file in *; do name=${file%.*}; busybox cp $file $OUT/$VID/$name; done
echo "Finished."
exit
exit
There you go. Just copy and paste that into an app like Script Manager and run it
It will make a folder on your internal storage called "snapchat" with 2 subdirectories, 1 for images and 1 for videos
It will make the folder, but retrieve no images or videos as I can see.
Figured it out. Have to mount system as r/w. Could you throw something in that changes it to r/w then back to r/o?
Also in the video folder only images show up. Won't get videos
Here it is with the mounting, sorry my mounting is set to rw by default so I didn't catch that
As for the other part, I don't know, I tested it and it pulled from both folders...
Let me try again
EDIT: Just tried it again and it works fine..
Code:
#!/system/bin/sh
OUT=/sdcard/snapchat
IN=/data/data/com.snapchat.android/cache
IMG=received_image_snaps
VID=received_video_snaps
su
mount -o remount, rw /system
mkdir -p $OUT/$IMG
mkdir -p $OUT/$VID
cd $IN/$IMG
for file in *
do name=${file%.*}
busybox cp $file $OUT/$IMG/$name
done
cd $IN/$VID
for file in *
do name=${file%.*}
busybox cp $file $OUT/$VID/$name
done
mount -o remount, ro /system
exit
Must be something with the moar rom with app priorities. Maybe it closes down snapchat instantly. Anyways, how could I get this to work with script Manager? I made the script into a file, but when I click the script, and then run, only the prompt console comes up without the code placed in
More specifically I press the widget assigned to the script, and get this
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Doesn't want to run it the easy way.
Edit: the script isn't mounting the system. Still having to manually
Aren't there apps in the playstore that do this for you?
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Rename it so that it has no spaces in its name
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Rename it so that it has no spaces in its name
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Didn't work.
Discard
Anyone have any idea why it won't launch the script? No spaces or caps