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Hi guys!
Okay so more rather to cater to my burning curiosity of how the T-Mobile Varient would do with HSPA+ 42 and the 1700/2100 I went down this morning grabbed a white version and came home and did some test. And here's what I've found.
#1) The T-Mobile Variant of the Note 2 is Made in CHINA! While the N7100 is made in Korea
#2) The T-Mobile Variant had worse download speeds where I live and testing the HSPA+ speeds in my house resulted in the unlocked N7100 beating it on the 1900mhz band. (Keep in mind I only get HSPA+ On t-Mobile near my house all other are's that were tested I have edge on the N7100 they are still refarming.
#3) So I took it upon myself to see is the T-Mobile branded version actually faster? I drove around for about 10-20 miles stopping in different area's and testing, The highest I've Gotten with it was 15mbps down. However I was not able to compare it to the N7100 in the same exact location because that area is not yet refarmed. However Comparing it side by side the N7100 at home the N7100 had the edge in download speeds which was funny to me.
Besides that fact, the N7100 is fully unlocked and no bs from T-mobile on it and the instant I used the T-Mobile version I wanted the N7100 back. So Moral of the story for me was that is it worth getting the T-Mobile version? If your on the Re farmed network I'd say no get the N7100 instead no bloatware faster updates, Speeds won't vary much, and You can tether devices without rooting!
Good to hear others thinking along these same lines. Guess it really depends on whether tour city is being refarmed.
I live in Memphis, and I've heard rumors that we're getting / already have the 1900 band. Guess I might need to find a good way to test before hand.
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Nyxagamemnon said:
Hi guys!
Okay so more rather to cater to my burning curiosity of how the T-Mobile Varient would do with HSPA+ 42 and the 1700/2100 I went down this morning grabbed a white version and came home and did some test. And here's what I've found.
#1) The T-Mobile Variant of the Note 2 is Made in CHINA! While the N7100 is made in Korea
#2) The T-Mobile Variant had worse download speeds where I live and testing the HSPA+ speeds in my house resulted in the unlocked N7100 beating it on the 1900mhz band. (Keep in mind I only get HSPA+ On t-Mobile near my house all other are's that were tested I have edge on the N7100 they are still refarming.
#3) So I took it upon myself to see is the T-Mobile branded version actually faster? I drove around for about 10-20 miles stopping in different area's and testing, The highest I've Gotten with it was 15mbps down. However I was not able to compare it to the N7100 in the same exact location because that area is not yet refarmed. However Comparing it side by side the N7100 at home the N7100 had the edge in download speeds which was funny to me.
Besides that fact, the N7100 is fully unlocked and no bs from T-mobile on it and the instant I used the T-Mobile version I wanted the N7100 back. So Moral of the story for me was that is it worth getting the T-Mobile version? If your on the Re farmed network I'd say no get the N7100 instead no bloatware faster updates, Speeds won't vary much, and You can tether devices without rooting!
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So would you be able to tell me if the T-mo Note and the N7100 are exact the same dimensions/shape. I want to buy a case for the T-mo version but I think all the ones on ebay are for the N7100. Maybe you can switch out battery covers to see if they fit. Thanks!
I too was sitting on the fence on whether to pick the the N7100 or T-mobile's handset. I eventually chose the latter for the following reasons. It may not necessarily apply to everyone. I'm not an engineer so I don't know much about technical details but I am very logical in understanding how things work:
1) Tmo has done a fairly good job on refarming the 1900 band for hspa+ and true enough you will get speeds >10mbps. I previously tested this service on an international SGS2 and international GN1. And that was using a prepaid sim. So clearly international versions of samsung will have hspa+ service IF there is coverage. However as to date, we still have to see consistent and widespread coverage of hspa+ on the 1900 band. Who's to say that by year's end the refarming would have been completed to a satisfactory level as promised by T-mobile? What if coverage would still be practically the same in YOUR area? What if completion simply means additional cities/towns but your area basically has already been refarmed to completion. I feel that will be the case with MY area. It's still really "wait and see" for the refarming project. While with the t-mo variant you get consistent hspa+ ALREADY, NOW and greater coverage simply because they have been designed to work with the existing hspa+ AWS bands of Tmo. 1900 hspa+ is just additional for the Tmo variant.
In my case, I use my home wifi. So that situation negates the 4G coverage comparison between the 2 .
I'm curious as to what your home speed differences were? Was it that significant to outweigh the benefit of more consistent hspa+ coverage outside your home? I understand your mobile tests showed Tmo's variant to be the winner by "default". Meaning N7100 didn't have a chance to even compete. That alone is enough for me to chose Tmo's.
2) N7100 has a 21mbps hspa+ radio. Tmo's variant has a 42mbps radio. Although I am not seeing speeds proportionate to the advertised 42mbps radio in my area. I believe some folks around the US have demonstrated 20-30mbps on Tmo's network. Just scourge the net for those blogs and anecdotes. Obviously the 42mbps radio is required for those speeds. I guess it will all depend on the location and if 42mbps hspa+ is enforced on the surrounding towers.
3) re: bloatware - They don't bother me much. However for the tinkerers out there, this may be a deal breaker. But I am certain there is always a way around this for the advanced users.
4) N7100 doesn't have an LTE radio. Tmo's variant potential has this feature. That adds a little future proofing value to it. Check engadget's latest review of Tmo's variant. To quote:
"Also, according to the T889's FCC application, the device includes support for LTE bands 4 (AWS) and 17, though this particular set of radios is currently locked on T-Mobile. We're hoping the AWS LTE band will be enabled for us as soon as the network is ready to push ahead with its next-gen technology, but we haven't heard any official word from Magenta about this. Regardless of what happens, we wouldn't put it past hackers Android programming aficionados to come up with a way of taking advantage of this."
Regardless, by the time LTE would be fully and satisfactorily enforced, we all would have probably moved on to another device.
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So would you be able to tell me if the T-mo Note and the N7100 are exact the same dimensions/shape. I want to buy a case for the T-mo version but I think all the ones on ebay are for the N7100. Maybe you can switch out battery covers to see if they fit. Thanks!
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They are the same damn phone except for the International version is made in Korean (says on label) and the U.S. variants are made in China (again, on the label) but the specs are the same as far as the meat and bones and the accessories will all work together just like the Galaxy S 3.... I have both a T-mobile (which I picked up today) Titanium color and An International Note in white and my T-mobile is performing a tad quicker as far as benchmarks but that really does not mean much... As far as where it's made.... I, personally, don't care cause they are both the same phone and qc for Samsung (in general) is the same across the board. I almost want to keep the T-mobile AND the International but I don't know if my budget will like that although I did get the International N7100 for $589.99 plus $12.00 back in ebay bucks so I can't complain on the price! The T-mobile was $688.00 OTD when I purchased it today but the HUGE difference is that the T-mobile will work on HSPA+ networks with both T-mobile and AT&T (if unlocked) and the International is edge on T-mobile(nothin you can do)... So I have more options as far as Pre-paid services and I can obtain insurance or a warranty without a problem in the US with the T-mobile version also... Another big plus! The International version is nice because it has hardly any bloat and it gets updates quickly! Who knows when we will see multitasking on the T-mobile version although they aren't as bad as some networks for updates... My opinions on the two versions....
EDIT: What he said above.... LOL He beat me to it! **I also notice on the T-mobile version that when you go to the dialer and press *#0*# there are more test options....??**
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Quick comment - checked back of my phone and it says made in Korea . My model jumber is SGH-T889v. Thanks!
Aren't the white ones made in Korea?
Kawaisa - I have the titanium grey - the SGH-T889v I have is the Canadian variant.
That's one way to look at it I guess. If you get 1900 Mhz at your house and don't want to use your wifi, ok. I would take the Tmo version with wifi calling app and HSPA+42 radio with next years LTE bands built in and just run a debloated stock rom when they start popping up here (or pull your own bloat out using TB). I got one today at Tmo, rooted it, uninstalled a bunch of garbage, and am really happy with the device. The only thing I "want" is the TV animation when shutting the screen off lol. Oh, and I don't like the boot audio either of the SGH-T889, but that will change in a week or so when ROM's start getting released To each there own, although I'd bet the N7100 will get superior dev support...
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Aren't the white ones made in Korea?
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I would like to know too. Does anyone have the White US version and where it was made?
I have the white where i can check that
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I have the white where i can check that
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Behind the phone, under the battery in the back. Thanks.
Tmo white note 2 is Made in china
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I'm going to receive my T-Mobile Note2 in a few days and I chose it pretty much for the same reasons as what had already been stated.
I am not based in the US..but I'm based in the Philippines and will just unlock my Note2. I got it through Wirefly so the price difference really did sway me to get it over the international variant. I also like that it is LTE capable so at least it's future proof somehow.
I am very capable of tinkering with phones so I can easily get rid of bloat and such.
My main concern is the amount of dev support this would be getting. I would imagine that due to the similar hardware, porting ROMs meant for international version would be relatively easy.
I'm wondering though if I could just flash an international based ROM straight away since I don't intend to use this with TMO anyway so I can live without sms/call/data of TMO as long as it can still somehow work with my international SIM and the phone still fully function.. I don't want to wait for updates via carrier.
I've read several of you are talking about uninstalling bloatware, wouldn't this hinder in the OTA update process (we should get one soon for the multi-window feature) whenever it gets pushed out. I thought it was best to disable or freeze the apps through TB rather than uninstalling it, could someone clarify that for me?
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They are the same damn phone except for the International version is made in Korean (says on label) and the U.S. variants are made in China (again, on the label) but the specs are the same as far as the meat and bones and the accessories will all work together just like the Galaxy S 3.... I have both a T-mobile (which I picked up today) Titanium color and An International Note in white and my T-mobile is performing a tad quicker as far as benchmarks but that really does not mean much... As far as where it's made.... I, personally, don't care cause they are both the same phone and qc for Samsung (in general) is the same across the board. I almost want to keep the T-mobile AND the International but I don't know if my budget will like that although I did get the International N7100 for $589.99 plus $12.00 back in ebay bucks so I can't complain on the price! The T-mobile was $688.00 OTD when I purchased it today but the HUGE difference is that the T-mobile will work on HSPA+ networks with both T-mobile and AT&T (if unlocked) and the International is edge on T-mobile(nothin you can do)... So I have more options as far as Pre-paid services and I can obtain insurance or a warranty without a problem in the US with the T-mobile version also... Another big plus! The International version is nice because it has hardly any bloat and it gets updates quickly! Who knows when we will see multitasking on the T-mobile version although they aren't as bad as some networks for updates... My opinions on the two versions....
EDIT: What he said above.... LOL He beat me to it! **I also notice on the T-mobile version that when you go to the dialer and press *#0*# there are more test options....??**
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Besides unlocking a TMo note 2, did you have to do anything else to make it work on 3G on ATT? Did you actually test that it would work on ATT 3G or this is just a guess based on specs?
dont be mad now that the cat is out of the bag that tmobile galaxy note 2 has LTE
RE: Bloatware
its called root and titanium backup if you want the Tmo version and no bloatware. root is achievable on the Tmo Note 2, along w/CWM. i am sticking w/the stock rom since i plan to use S-Pen quite a bit. we'll see as the weeks go by and roms start to appear.
i went the tmo vs international due to that 1900 isn't in my area yet and won't be until end of year and our version as prev noted does have the LTE hardware and cheaper than importing an unlocked phone. has anyone noticed VERY slow A-GPS lockons when in doors? my gnex was freakin instant indoors.
Can anyone else post what color they have and where it was Made?
I was reading that the international ones have Made in Korea, Made in China, and Made by Samsung.
Thanks.
Hello everyone,
I am having a serious crisis. So let me give you a little back story. I previously had a unlocked gnex and I had been using it with straight talk att and simple mobile. My particular phone didn't like straight talk at all I was always having data problems and the reception and data were very slow. Simple mobile worked great and very fast and the soft data cap I found was a lot higher than att's. I sold my gnex a few weeks ago before the nexus 4 launch so I could get more money for it. I have been using a Nokia E5-00 in the mean time on straight talk and fr some reason it has been great way better reception and the data is actually faster than what I was getting on my gnex even though this phone only supports hspa+7.5 instead f the full hspa+21 the gnex had. I really want a Galaxy Note 2, but I have been hesitant of ATT's network and I am afraid I will have the same roblems as I had with my gnex. So I wanted the T-mobile version because it would give me the flexibility to switch between the above listed carriers and since prepaid doesn't have lte support I could get the hspa+42 and know I will get faster data than ATT. I have to get the phone from amazon, long story but that is where I have to get it, they dont seem to be getting the t-mo version anytime soon and everywhere is on back order, but I cant deal with using this E5 any longer. I can get a ATT Galaxy note 2 and they just turned on LTE where I live in Columbus, Ohio. I had 2 questions I hope somebody can help me out with, since I am using prepaid and wont get LTE is there a hack to make the LTE work? Also is the HSPA+ on ATT going to provide faster speeds than before now that LTE has launched relieving some strain on hspa+ and providing more back-haul to the sites? Any incite would be gratefully apreciated
I want to get a Note II but which one has more development? N7100 or i317(m)? I don't care about LTE cause I just want to pay minimum per month on my carrier and WIFI is free. I just got addicted in flashing roms, kernels and learned to root a month ago with my Galaxy S III.
PS: I live in Canada.
I personally went with the N7100 because:
1. Better support direct from Samsung
2. A Lot less bloat out of the box
3. I've seen much better ROM Development and other tweaks for the N7100 over the i317m.
4. I also really like not having to deal with the carriers at all. Plus it came fully unlocked.
That's me. I really think your better off with the N7100, especially if LTE is no issue for you.
Do you have any data on your current plan?
Carriers up here don't segment the way they have stateside. I.e. you can get LTE no matter what part of the Robellusfivirkoo oligopoly you deal with, so long as your SIM, provisioning and coverage are good.
(In the case of Bell and VMC, which I am most familiar with, the only exception would be the grandfathered UMB and UNPDA features or plans. Some older plans may require forced LTE provisioning to be applied by customer service.)
The I317M should be easier to get. It is known and supported by local service centers, whereas the N7100 or N7105 are more of a crap shoot.
With all the hooplah carriers make about it, LTE could be a consideration for future resale.
Bloat out of the box is irrelevant if you're going to be flashing ROMs. Besides, N7105 ROMs work almost seamlessly on the I317M and the T889V.
Unlocking any of the LTE variants is free and takes under two minutes following instructions found on here.
It is possible to enable AWS HSPA on the I317M, which means you could also take it over to Wind, Mobilicity or Videotron. I doubt the same holds for the N7100, and it remains untested on the N7105.
I'm living in Winnipeg, Manitoba and using MTS student plan for $28.50/month. No data just unli call and text. Even in the future, I will not spend 40-60 with data. Maybe I'm better with the N7100.
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I want to get more responses to the XDA community
Since people got their hands on the T-mobile version yesterday I am curious if anyone is using it on AT&T yet?
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I'm interested too... I get mine tomorrow.
As far as I can tell, the Sim card unlocks are not available yet. A few vendors say they should have them going by this week. Hopefully by Friday when my TMo Note 4 arrives.
I was under the impression you could just put your ATT sim in a TMobile phone and off you go. Not true?
There is a guy in the TMo forum that said he found someone who could unlock (~$35) it and he is using it on AT&T currently.
I got my phone on Monday (t mobile version) i unlock it on wend, since then i have been using it but had to call costumer service since i lost lte signal 2 times already, worry that this might be a issue i will see often
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I got my phone on Monday (t mobile version) i unlock it on wend, since then i have been using it but had to call costumer service since i lost lte signal 2 times already, worry that this might be a issue i will see often
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Have you tried a different APN?
I owned both the T-Mobile and AT&T Note 3. I started off with the T-Mobile variant and was never very happy with LTE reception. It would just drop LTE often.
After reading of others on XDA experiencing the same issue, I bought the AT&T version. Immediately, I noticed a big jump in LTE strength. I know the debate still exists to whether or not the AT&T variant has better network tuning specific to AT&T's network. It didn't really matter to me what it was. It was enough of an improvement for me to give up my T-Mobile variant with an unlocked bootloader.
For the Note 4 I'm waiting on some feedback from users with the T-Mobile variant on AT&Ts network. Your post isn't very reassuring.
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Have you tried a different APN?
I owned both the T-Mobile and AT&T Note 3. I started off with the T-Mobile variant and was never very happy with LTE reception. It would just drop LTE often.
After reading of others on XDA experiencing the same issue, I bought the AT&T version. Immediately, I noticed a big jump in LTE strength. I know the debate still exists to whether or not the AT&T variant has better network tuning specific to AT&T's network. It didn't really matter to me what it was. It was enough of an improvement for me to give up my T-Mobile variant with an unlocked bootloader.
For the Note 4 I'm waiting on some feedback from users with the T-Mobile variant on AT&Ts network. Your post isn't very reassuring.
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But it doesn't make sense why some never experience the issue
done12many2 said:
Have you tried a different APN?
I owned both the T-Mobile and AT&T Note 3. I started off with the T-Mobile variant and was never very happy with LTE reception. It would just drop LTE often.
After reading of others on XDA experiencing the same issue, I bought the AT&T version. Immediately, I noticed a big jump in LTE strength. I know the debate still exists to whether or not the AT&T variant has better network tuning specific to AT&T's network. It didn't really matter to me what it was. It was enough of an improvement for me to give up my T-Mobile variant with an unlocked bootloader.
For the Note 4 I'm waiting on some feedback from users with the T-Mobile variant on AT&Ts network. Your post isn't very reassuring.
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I'm very interested in this info also. I read at a few places that the Tmobile and AT&T versions are going to be very much identical. But who knows...
done12many2 said:
Have you tried a different APN?
I owned both the T-Mobile and AT&T Note 3. I started off with the T-Mobile variant and was never very happy with LTE reception. It would just drop LTE often.
After reading of others on XDA experiencing the same issue, I bought the AT&T version. Immediately, I noticed a big jump in LTE strength. I know the debate still exists to whether or not the AT&T variant has better network tuning specific to AT&T's network. It didn't really matter to me what it was. It was enough of an improvement for me to give up my T-Mobile variant with an unlocked bootloader.
For the Note 4 I'm waiting on some feedback from users with the T-Mobile variant on AT&Ts network. Your post isn't very reassuring.
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That's weird indeed.
Note 3 and Note 4 from T-mobile have both been flawless for me on AT&T. I unlocked my Note 4 yesterday, and have zero connectivity issues that I know of. While it may be possible a AT&T branded phone works better on their network, I have no complaints at all. 25Mb/down, 17Mb/up was my last speed test.
Even if there is a slight difference, isn't it worth using the T-mo variant anyway, for the unlocked bootloader and all the extra options that provides?
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That's weird indeed.
Note 3 and Note 4 from T-mobile have both been flawless for me on AT&T. I unlocked my Note 4 yesterday, and have zero connectivity issues that I know of. While it may be possible a AT&T branded phone works better on their network, I have no complaints at all. 25Mb/down, 17Mb/up was my last speed test.
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That sounds promising. What city are you in? and were you able to unlock at the store or did at home over the phone? Thanks.
edouble312 said:
That's weird indeed.
Note 3 and Note 4 from T-mobile have both been flawless for me on AT&T. I unlocked my Note 4 yesterday, and have zero connectivity issues that I know of. While it may be possible a AT&T branded phone works better on their network, I have no complaints at all. 25Mb/down, 17Mb/up was my last speed test.
Even if there is a slight difference, isn't it worth using the T-mo variant anyway, for the unlocked bootloader and all the extra options that provides?
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I agree that the unlocked bootloader is a pretty big deal. Unfortunately the difference in LTE reception in my case warranted selling my T-Mobile version after comparing.
I should have mentioned that both phones were pretty much identical in areas with decent to strong signal. The real difference I noticed was when signal was weaker. My AT&T version simply held the LTE steady when the T-Mobile would constantly switch back and forth. This is not to say that they were not receiving about the same bandwidth.
I am very interested in how the Note 4 does. I'm hoping to see a few more posts tonight about LTE performance before I hit the stores tomorrow to pick up either one based on the feedback from here.
Thanks for letting us know about how your's is handling!
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I agree that the unlocked bootloader is a pretty big deal. Unfortunately the difference in LTE reception in my case warranted selling my T-Mobile version after comparing.
I should have mentioned that both phones were pretty much identical in areas with decent to strong signal. The real difference I noticed was when signal was weaker. My AT&T version simply held the LTE steady when the T-Mobile would constantly switch back and forth. This is not to say that they were not receiving about the same bandwidth.
I am very interested in how the Note 4 does. I'm hoping to see a few more posts tonight about LTE performance before I hit the stores tomorrow to pick up either one based on the feedback from here.
Thanks for letting us know about how your's is handling!
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Well I didn't see any additional posts before heading out to buy it this morning so I took a chance and got the T-Mobile variant. I'll provide feedback on AT&T LTE reception once I get my unlock code.
The wife wants a Note 4 as well so I'm probably going to pick up an AT&T variant and test them both for signal on AT&T's LTE network.
I got the unlock code in just over an hour and I'm up and running on AT&T's LTE!!
I'm pretty happy to report that it appears that the T-Mobile Note 4 is getting outstanding signal at my house and speeds are the same or better than the AT&T Note 3 right next to it.
The real test for me will be at the edge of AT&T LTE reception, which is where I was having issues with my T-Mobile Note 3. I wont know this until I go to work next Monday as my office is the perfect test for this.
Wireless Tether is completely unlocked with the T-Mobile Note 4 on AT&T's network without the requirement to root/mod as it was on the Note 3.
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I got the unlock code in just over an hour and I'm up and running on AT&T's LTE!!
I'm pretty happy to report that it appears that the T-Mobile Note 4 is getting outstanding signal at my house and speeds are the same or better than the AT&T Note 3 right next to it.
The real test for me will be at the edge of AT&T LTE reception, which is where I was having issues with my T-Mobile Note 3. I wont know this until I go to work next Monday as my office is the perfect test for this.
Wireless Tether is completely unlocked with the T-Mobile Note 4 on AT&T's network without the requirement to root/mod as it was on the Note 3.
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Which service did you use for the unlock?
cellunlocker.net
It seems that they've fixed their issues as some are receiving their codes within minutes.
Yakuzahi said:
Which service did you use for the unlock?
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Hello,
How can you buy no-contract T-mobile Note 4
Thanks
jennyngo24 said:
Hello,
How can you buy no-contract T-mobile Note 4
Thanks
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You need to try, the store I will go to agree to sell it for me with no line.
Yakuzahi said:
You need to try, the store I will go to agree to sell it for me with no line.
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Thank you for your info.
What happened to the law that was just passed for Sim unlocking? TMO should give you an unlock code if you bought it outright.
Hey all. Hopefully this isn't as obvious as I think it is. I have a Verizon Note 3 and recently dropped Verizon and went to Tmobile prepaid. I flashed Alliance's rom from the Verizon forum here and all seems to be working although sometimes the calls and connection are a little flaky. My question is this. ..since I am on Tmobile service now, should I be flashing Tmo ROMs here or should I stick with flashing Verizon Roms since that is the original maker of the phone? Thanks in advance guys
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As long as the hardware is the same, and I believe it is, you'll probably get much better service on a T-Mobile ROM. Wait for a second opinion though.