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[kernel] ICS source codes?

Dear all,
I am the kernel developer from i9103. As both our machine and i927 shares v. similar hardware configurations, I could help to build a custom kernel with features like init.d support, rooting, overclock, auto brightness adjustment and etc. for i927.
As long as I could get the source codes from Samsung Opensource, then, I could help to start cooking for it.
As our i9103 still haven't get ICS official update (but, we get a leaked one), after we submit the ICS source codes request to Samsung, we get it! So, without any official ICS release, we can still get the source codes from Saumsung!
I have already submitted a request for ICS kernel source for Captivate Glide, so, maybe all of you could help to submit a request as well. Hope that the more the requests, the faster the release time.
Link is here:
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=inquiryView&uploadId=799
My template is here:
Code:
Dear Samsung,
May I have the latest ICS kernel source code for Captivate Glide (I927)? Thanks.
Best Regards,
xxxxxxxx

Submitted the request. Hope you get the source code soon.

Sent Request.. can't wait
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Submitted

sent! :victory::victory::victory::victory:

I will request as soon as I can get wifi access later today, thank you for sharing this with us!
Sent from my SGH-I927

Requested it as well. You can thank me by implementing undervolting in all the kernels you cook up, at least for our phone!
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Submitted as well. How about some voodoo goodness when you end up getting the source?

ReznikAkime said:
Submitted as well. How about some voodoo goodness when you end up getting the source?
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Yes! Voodoo cannot be escaped
And much more patches and fixes as well :good:

I would love to see BLN support!
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dudejb said:
I would love to see BLN support!
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Agreed, BLN is probably my most desired feature.

I guess we will have to wait for the official ICS release before we get the source code. This is the reply i got from samsung :
Dear Customer,
We can provide open source code for official release only.
You can download the source code of SGH-I927R from the site below: http://opensource.samsung.com
(search by SGH-I927R)
Thank you.
Sincerely yours,
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News flash, Samsung got there buts kicked by apple and didn't win the current lawsuit they were in, Thus them losing money meaning not so much hope..
Sent From My Iced Creamd SGH-I927 Cappy Glide

They're also appealing that ruling. It seems unlikely this will mean bad news for us in the short-run. Long-term it might mean they won't give us JB officially, but from what I understand our trusty developer(s) could as soon as they have the ICS stuff. Will take time, but it is realisticaly feasible.
Also, Samsung has already put in the time to create the version we've got now with ATT. Unless the ruling covers our phone specificaly we've got nothing to fear from the law suits. And even if it does cover our Glide, legally things won't take effect for us before the final ruling. According to Google Apple's claims don't cover anything they could relatively easily work around.
So, as every hitchhiker already knows: Don't Panic
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Eventually we'll get ICS officially, apple lawsuit won't hurt us. Just give it time, and hopefully we'll have JB sometime in the next few months too.
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reply from - [email protected]
Code:
Dear Customer,
We can provide open source code for official release only.
'SGH-I927R' has not released ICS firmware.
Please accept our apology for not being able to handle your request up to your satisfaction.
Thank you.
Sincerely yours,

Great! With release of ICS, maybe we could re-ask for kernel source now?
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ardatdat said:
Great! With release of ICS, maybe we could re-ask for kernel source now?
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Already done that yesterday, waiting for the reply now. Let's see how quickly they come up with the sources. With samsung releasing the half baked ICS with keyboard light still broken, they need to give us the source if they can't do better.

simpsons did it.

ardatdat said:
Great! With release of ICS, maybe we could re-ask for kernel source now?
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Good news.. samsung finally replied with the source code
Dear Customer,
We are pleased to provide you the source code of I927 ICS CAPTIVATE GLIDE.
You can download the source code from the site below: http://opensource.samsung.com
Thank you.
Sincerely yours,
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[Q] Alternatives? (CyanogenMod dropping Exynos support)

So, I was all excited to get a Note 2, but then I heard about CyanogenMod being unlikely to support new Exynos devices: http://codeworkx.de/wordpress/
So with that in mind... does anyone have a competing phablet to suggest?

Nothing going on in the stickied thread for whose gonna develop for it. Any ideas?
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That seems awfully silly to drop such an anticipated world wide device. Maybe he can't meat the demand of both SG3, and Note 2?

adampa1006 said:
Nothing going on in the stickied thread for whose gonna develop for it. Any ideas?
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We are still waiting for us release date to even be announced so some devs may not even be that worried about notifying me until they get to see the device hands on.
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StelardActek said:
So, I was all excited to get a Note 2, but then I heard about CyanogenMod being unlikely to support new Exynos devices: http://codeworkx.de/wordpress/
So with that in mind... does anyone have a competing phablet to suggest?
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You do know that codeworkx isn't the only developer for CyanogenMod or for Samsung devices. Him dropping support for Exynos devices isn't the end of the world. So what if he left, that's his personal choice & I understand why & completely support him but not everyone shares his views of dropping support for Exynos devices because devices like the S & Note series are very popular & its just a matter of time before some developer get his hand on the device & CyanogenMod will be developed for it. This is just needless panic.
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The HTC One X5 looks good, but no clue on when it'll come out...
And yes #illidan, I realise that another developer may step up, and I do hope that happens. But from the sounds of things, it's not just codeworkx that is dropping Samsung support:
Entropy512 said:
Not likely to happen. If CM comes to the Note 2, it will only be if a new maintainer steps up.
Most of the current Exynos maintainer team (myself, espenfjo, codeworkx) and others have all decided that our current devices will be our last non-Nexus Exynos devices. I'm not sure about xplodwild, but I have a feeling he's highly unlikely to take up another Haxxinos with the rest of us gone and given his prior experiences with it.
If Samsung changes their attitude towards developers, this might change, but their attitude lately (zero documentation, zero platform source code, a trend towards bootloader locking - Only the Verizon S3 has a locked bootloader now, but Samsung has had the infrastructure in place since the S2 and they are constantly adding more checks) has led to the current Exynos maintainer team deciding that enough is enough. I don't think any of us are going to do anything to make Samsung's Exynos devices more attractive to any particular market segment until they provide assistance (in the form of technical documentation and source code) in return. I don't know about the others, but if they offer me a free device I'll say no - I refuse to participate in a PR stunt like the I9100 donations were.
Pretty much the only way I'll go back is if I see reference platform source that is up to the same standards as CAF and omapzoom, or they actually start providing real documentation and source code for the devices I'm currently working with.
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StelardActek said:
The HTC One X5 looks good, but no clue on when it'll come out...
And yes #illidan, I realise that another developer may step up, and I do hope that happens. But from the sounds of things, it's not just codeworkx that is dropping Samsung support:
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Yes I'm well aware of the entire so called Exynos development team giving up because of Samsung's retarded ways but as of now I believe it's a 50-50 gamble for device support. Maybe a new maintainer steps up to the batting plate or an old one does (highly unlikely). It's basically up to you & seeing as the Note is the only choice for now if your looking for a phablet. I still believe that the device will receive support.
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A popular device like the Note II will surely get CM. But a point worth considering is the lack of help being provided by Samsung regarding the Exynos processor. So, in the future , development may slow down or there may be loss of particular functionality due to the lack of code or compatible blobs from Samsung for the Exynos.
Of course, there are many talented devs that gonna work on the Note II, but the Team Hacksung not supporting this is definitely a big blow, as they have shown the awesome work they can do with Samsung devices as well as the fact that they have tremendous experience on Samsung devices.

Hrm, this may not be concerning for the veteran android user,but as I plan(ned?) this to be my first android device, it makes me wonder if I should wait and see if there is support for it. I can't a stock anything, let a lone a phone. And unfortunatly this is the only android device I'm really looking forward to.

I've heard some chit chatter as well, as far as development / support not going to be strong but its not going to sway me from buying this phone.. It's still going to be awesome.. Even if its just stock rooted to get rid of system things you don't need
-TeaM VeNuM Like A Boss

I have a developer question, what company is actually giving the developers what they want? HTC? I know Motorola hasn't been that developer friendly ( at least on Verizon I know its better on other carriers). Cm10 will be on the note 2. If my Bionic is getting JB cm10 then for sure the Note 2 will
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adampa1006 said:
I have a developer question, what company is actually giving the developers what they want? HTC? I know Motorola hasn't been that developer friendly ( at least on Verizon I know its better on other carriers). Cm10 will be on the note 2. If my Bionic is getting JB cm10 then for sure the Note 2 will
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The nexus line is the way to go
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adampa1006 said:
I have a developer question, what company is actually giving the developers what they want? HTC? I know Motorola hasn't been that developer friendly ( at least on Verizon I know its better on other carriers). Cm10 will be on the note 2. If my Bionic is getting JB cm10 then for sure the Note 2 will
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Apparently if has more to do with the processor. The Snapdragon, TI OMAP, NVidia etc are more forthcoming with code for CM. Sammy however is not, since exynos is a proprietary chip (aka apple).
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fear not
erick161 said:
Apparently if has more to do with the processor. The Snapdragon, TI OMAP, NVidia etc are more forthcoming with code for CM. Sammy however is not, since exynos is a proprietary chip (aka apple).
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I believe that the Exynos CPU in the Galaxy Note 2 is exactly the same as the CPU in the Galaxy S III, Just higher Clocked. And the International Galaxy S III has Cyanogenmod Already, So fear not it will be a easier port. Correct me if I'm wrong

johnwazhere said:
I believe that the Exynos CPU in the Galaxy Note 2 is exactly the same as the CPU in the Galaxy S III, Just higher Clocked. And the International Galaxy S III has Cyanogenmod Already, So fear not it will be a easier port. Correct me if I'm wrong
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I would assume so, but not sure. Personally, I won't stray away from a stock base. I want those features touted by Samsung. That's why I'm upgrading.
I'm not sure however, how well CM10 runs on the SGS3...and according to what I've read, its not a very good port.
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SGH-T889_JB_Opensource.zip available on opensource.samsung.com

I was just poking around on opensource.samsung.com and saw this file for download, hopefully it will be useful to devs in the future. :good:
The file is 196MB and has md5 ed891a2f357cd825c1dce114fc59640f. To download, go to http://opensource.samsung.com and search for "SGH-T889"

Wow Mr. Sung wasnt playing any games. Fastest source code release I ever seen.
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Woot

They have added the T889v (Canadian AWS Variant)
Seems to be source for Platform and Kernel.

kodabmx said:
They have added the T889v (Canadian AWS Variant)
Seems to be source for Platform and Kernel.
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Yep AFAIK this is just the GPL part of the code - aka the part they are required to release.

vinas1 said:
Yep AFAIK this is just the GPL part of the code - aka the part they are required to release.
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It is kernel source (+ platform) have already started building but as always they throw a bug or two at you to make you work for it.
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Excuse the noobish question, but does kernel + platform mean that everything needed to compile a functional android system for the device is present or does it mean everything sans precious drivers.

DarksteelBlade said:
Excuse the noobish question, but does kernel + platform mean that everything needed to compile a functional android system for the device is present or does it mean everything sans precious drivers.
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It is mostly kernel source. Far from enought to compile an entire os
from my Galaxy Note 2!!!
》Jedi Roms 《

ptmr3 said:
It is mostly kernel source. Far from enought to compile an entire os
from my Galaxy Note 2!!!
》Jedi Roms 《
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Gotchya. Thanks for the quick response.
I guess the core of my question is if this is useful for building newer versions of Android as they come out (IE 4.2). If not, what else do i need? Where do i find it? Where does this fit into the puzzle

VIIRU§ said:
Wow Mr. Sung wasnt playing any games. Fastest source code release I ever seen.
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It's been out for like three weeks

Samsung Galaxy W I8150 vs Galaxy S Advance I9070

Hi,
I am a fully satisfied Galaxy Wonder I8150 user, however - since I found an offer for the Galaxy S Advance I9070 for about 200€ - I am thinking about changing my phone.
Is there anyone who also has the I9070 and can give me any suggestion?
I am a bit worried about development: since our beloved I8150 is much more widespread, there's a lot more here than for the I9070, but it's just probably a matter of time... hopefully!
Opinions and discussions are more than welcome, thank you very much.

I have a friend who uses I9010. Although it is good from spec, and bigger screen.. But well, XDA has only few devs. Seems it is a bit minus points since many of 'em were stock-modded.
€200 off-contract? Cheap..
--Ancora/CM10A6--

Kreaz said:
I have a friend who uses I9010. Although it is good from spec, and bigger screen.. But well, XDA has only few devs. Seems it is a bit minus points since many of 'em were stock-modded.
€200 off-contract? Cheap..
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Thanks for your answer.
I don't understand what you mean by "seems it is a bit minus points since many of them were stock-modded", may you please clarify that?
Re the price: 200€ off-contract, yes.
I've been watching this phone since last year and the best offers I found were 250€ at the end of November 2012, 230€ now in most of the shops. A local supermarket is going to sell it for 200€ in the next days.
So the price doesn't go down fast, but slowly it does!

[.::MDT::.] said:
Thanks for your answer.
I don't understand what you mean by "seems it is a bit minus points since many of them were stock-modded", may you please clarify that?
Re the price: 200€ off-contract, yes.
I've been watching this phone since last year and the best offers I found were 250€ at the end of November 2012, 230€ now in most of the shops. A local supermarket is going to sell it for 200€ in the next days.
So the price doesn't go down fast, but slowly it does!
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Many of those ROMs were not pure AOSP/CM-based and just stock, with some mods/changes, so maybe you may expect 'bloatwares', including that useless apps etc. Well there is actually CM10.1 but it is not that reliable since mostly it is for hi-level devs (as you can see there are many bugs there including the Phone.apk (that is for the calls) so it is impossible to make calls), the BT, the Wi-Fi if I'm not mistaken. But well if you can stand that it's yours.
Also, I think the newest S4 will fit. Well its announcement is still on March 14th (15th GMT+7, if it is announced at evening in NY). And I don't think if the price would be another 200 Euros off-contract.
Again, it is your privilege to buy a new phone and leave the other. So, choose it wisely.

Maybe you can post this question to the S Advance forum so that the user of that phone can share their experience with you

Kreaz said:
Many of those ROMs were not pure AOSP/CM-based and just stock, with some mods/changes, so maybe you may expect 'bloatwares', including that useless apps etc. Well there is actually CM10.1 but it is not that reliable since mostly it is for hi-level devs (as you can see there are many bugs there including the Phone.apk (that is for the calls) so it is impossible to make calls), the BT, the Wi-Fi if I'm not mistaken. But well if you can stand that it's yours.
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I see, thanks for the info.
Well, surely CM10.0 is not usable at this development stage... but it will probably in the future, hopefully soon!
From what you write, I got the impression that Galaxy S Advance does not (and will not?) have so much development/ROMs/etc. as for our beloved Wonder...
Kreaz said:
Also, I think the newest S4 will fit. Well its announcement is still on March 14th (15th GMT+7, if it is announced at evening in NY). And I don't think if the price would be another 200 Euros off-contract.
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Yep, I'm not interested in high-end devices, my budget being around 200€.
That's why Galaxy W is good for me, it does what I need for a reasonable price, imho.
Kreaz said:
Again, it is your privilege to buy a new phone and leave the other. So, choose it wisely.
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That's clear.
I won't leave my Wonder completely though, since it will stay in my family.
AzizWahid said:
Maybe you can post this question to the S Advance forum so that the user of that phone can share their experience with you
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Thanks for your suggestion, I did that already, just trying to get as much feedback as possible from both Galaxy W and S users.

[.::MDT::.] said:
Hi,
I am a fully satisfied Galaxy Wonder I8150 user, however - since I found an offer for the Galaxy S Advance I9070 for about 200€ - I am thinking about changing my phone.
Is there anyone who also has the I9070 and can give me any suggestion?
I am a bit worried about development: since our beloved I8150 is much more widespread, there's a lot more here than for the I9070, but it's just probably a matter of time... hopefully!
Opinions and discussions are more than welcome, thank you very much.
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from spec S advanced seems to be having advantage based on its processor,rom and ram..but the problem still same with w,cant upgrade to official android 4.0 and above by samsung.

kentgoh88 said:
from spec S advanced seems to be having advantage based on its processor,rom and ram..but the problem still same with w,cant upgrade to official android 4.0 and above by samsung.
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Well, that's not much of a problem, we'll hopefully have some CyanogenMods sooner or later...

kentgoh88 said:
from spec S advanced seems to be having advantage based on its processor,rom and ram..but the problem still same with w,cant upgrade to official android 4.0 and above by samsung.
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Well, my friend has a I9010. In fact, I9010 *did not* receive ICS. But it did receive official JB (4.1) update.
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Kreaz said:
Well, my friend has a I9010. In fact, I9010 *did not* receive ICS. But it did receive official JB (4.1) update.
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Ya SSA have jellybean, and we have too. But we have Sir Arco
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We have many devs working on 4.2 now with various but similiar devices, lets say arco, camcory teamed up with xistance smartguy and tim1928 as team insomnia and there is dooms, and I never regret for having this phone
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Go buy SGS Advance
-It has official JB with 99% stable
-Great Custom Kernel and Custom Rom
And you can try it by yourself if you have buy this phone
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R: Samsung Galaxy W I8150 vs Galaxy S Advance I9070
Anyway a bugged cm is long way better than a stock Samsung rom. When you install a cm rom is like buying a new phone. Maybe w with cm is better than s stock...
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GaYoung28 said:
Go buy SGS Advance
-It has official JB with 99% stable
-Great Custom Kernel and Custom Rom
And you can try it by yourself if you have buy this phone
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You only say this only because you have that phone. You must be OBJECTIVE and not SUBJECTIVE.
Do you have tried this phone? No, how you can say that?

miki2o said:
You only say this only because you have that phone. You must be OBJECTIVE and not SUBJECTIVE.
Do you have tried this phone? No, how you can say that?
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Yes I have.. I have both of them
And I'm OBJECTIVE and NOT SUBJECTIVE
My brother have Galaxy W too
Not offensive bro..
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actually I would recommend you to buy S advance.
with the JB update, the phone is really smooth even without any custom rom or tweak.
But the only big problem is there is not much special tweaks and custom rom available for S advance. So when you are bored of stock S advance, there's nothing you can do unlike our lovely W with so many awesome devs.
Both phones have their own pros and cons. It's up to you.

Samsung Galaxy W Vs Samsung Galaxy S Advance = DRAW :highfive:

I do not know anything about s advance but i'm so in love at first sight with my wonder. Before bought wonder i do some search and comparing but i dont know that our lovely wonder have so many cusroms , mods , tweaks and kernel developed by many brilliant devs. And i never feel regret to bought wonder . This phone is just awesome , and completely helpful
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pepziman said:
I do not know anything about s advance but i'm so in love at first sight with my wonder. Before bought wonder i do some search and comparing but i dont know that our lovely wonder have so many cusroms , mods , tweaks and kernel developed by many brilliant devs. And i never feel regret to bought wonder . This phone is just awesome , and completely helpful
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Surely Wonder has a lot more mods, roms, etc. available.
However, I also had a chance to try the S Advance and I must say it's much more comfortable just for the slightly bigger screen. The keyboard is easier, and the GPS works perfectly in Advance whereas in my Wonder takes ages to get the fix or loses it every minute....
All in all, if I had to buy a new phone, between the 2 I'd go for the Advance I think.

I choose wonder because wonder is my device
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Rom: CyanogenMod 9 Final Release (EOL)
Kernel: HurtSky' Kernel REV1.0
Baseband: XXLM8
Recovery: ClockWorkMod 5.5.0.4
Tweak: Walkman Xperia Z | AC!D Audio Engine

HTC Source Code?

How does HTC compare to Samsung?
Is *everything* HTC produces available to devs? Or does HTC refuse to release proprietary source code like Samsung does?
Will 'unofficial' builds be able to be rated as stable?
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HTC does release source and stable builds of aosp are typically achieved. The main thing you have to worry about is when HTC decides end of update lifecycle. That's when stable releases for aosp base becomes really slow.
Since there's a gpe version, I'm hoping the update lifecycle will be longer than previous HTC phones.
I owned an Evo 3d and one xl previously.
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Thanks @exad
How quickly does that happen?
What sort of update life cycle can the M8 expect?
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Hmmm a year and a halfish? As for what we can expect for the m8.. I am without a crystal ball.
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exad said:
Hmmm a year and a halfish? As for what we can expect for the m8.. I am without a crystal ball.
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Lol....I wasn't expecting an exact answer, just wondered if HTC had a policy of updating for a specified set duration irrespective of model.....
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Not that I know of.
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keithross39 said:
Lol....I wasn't expecting an exact answer, just wondered if HTC had a policy of updating for a specified set duration irrespective of model.....
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They're committed to two years on major Android updates for North American phones.
The ever necessary source so that the naysayers are kept at bay: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1xxjfx/hi_were_the_htc_usa_product_team_amaa/

jdk2 said:
They're committed to two years on major Android updates for North American phones.
The ever necessary source so that the naysayers are kept at bay: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1xxjfx/hi_were_the_htc_usa_product_team_amaa/
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That's not so bad.......
The average phone contract here in the UK is 2 years........
By the time my current contract is up and I get the M8, the end of my new 2 year contract will put me about 6 months past that 2 year update life cycle........
I can live with that.......
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keithross39 said:
How does HTC compare to Samsung?
Is *everything* HTC produces available to devs? Or does HTC refuse to release proprietary source code like Samsung does?
Will 'unofficial' builds be able to be rated as stable?
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well it IS proprietary...meaning it isn't open source so they don't have to release it.
and yes, they refuse to release sources for Sense and many of their Sense applications.

Hellscythe said:
well it IS proprietary...meaning it isn't open source so they don't have to release it.
and yes, they refuse to release sources for Sense and many of their Sense applications.
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THAT I can understand.....it'll be the same for any manufacturer.......
But then Sense, Touchwiz and the like isn't strictly needed for AOSP.
What I was asking about (and probably should have been clearer about) was device source code......
Case in point......
Samsung and Exynos.......source code needed to make the device function correctly irrespective of what is running on it.....
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keithross39 said:
THAT I can understand.....it'll be the same for any manufacturer.......
But then Sense, Touchwiz and the like isn't strictly needed for AOSP.
What I was asking about (and probably should have been clearer about) was device source code......
Case in point......
Samsung and Exynos.......source code needed to make the device function correctly irrespective of what is running on it.....
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I understood what you meant and answered you. They do for all versions until support for the device ends
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keithross39 said:
How does HTC compare to Samsung?
Is *everything* HTC produces available to devs? Or does HTC refuse to release proprietary source code like Samsung does?
Will 'unofficial' builds be able to be rated as stable?
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HTC refuses to release proprietary code. This has always been a problem with HTC and will likely continue to be one. Don't believe me ask kernel developer @flar2. The first source code they released not too long had a fair amount of code lopped off of it. The only truly open source is AOSP. Even the Nexus line diverges a bit from true open source as they have closed source certain apps like google calendar, maps and keyboard. But these can at least be downloaded from play store.

So is HTC still perceived as the least (or so I have read) 'dev friendly' manufacturer?
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keithross39 said:
So is HTC still perceived as the least (or so I have read) 'dev friendly' manufacturer?
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There definitely up there, I think Samsung especially the exynos version is worse. At the least we have access to Code Aurora (Qualcomm source code) and they are very good about releasing source.

jlevy73 said:
There definitely up there, I think Samsung especially the exynos version is worse. At the least we have access to Code Aurora (Qualcomm source code) and they are very good about releasing source.
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EDIT: Sorry @jlevy73 - I quoted the wrong person.
They all have things that include IP that is closed, including Google Nexus, which is also different from AOSP.
Some of the things aren't even HTC related, there are proprietary drivers & such that they themselves license from Qualcomm, & other component manufacturers. I would say that they are much more developer friendly than most of the OEM's.

Well, none of that is going to affect my decision to get the M8.......
I just want to be able to proceed with all the relevant information......
So long as I can.....
A) root it
B) install some root access apps
C) debloat (if necessary)
D) *maybe* flash a custom rom
(In that order, with D being a possibility rather than a certainty)
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