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Hey Everyone,
I recently pre-ordered the Galaxy Nexus from Bell on contract for three years thinking that Wind and Mobilicty are CDMA. (I know, I'm crazy). I have just figured out that they are in fact a GSM network. My question is that if I changed my order from bell from a three year contract to unlocked, will it work on Mobilicity's service? I know there probably won't be 4G speeds but if I can get a plan with unlimited calling and data for $17.50 per month instead of the 500mb and 200 minutes im getting with Bell for $50 a month, I'd rather get it unlocked.
Note: If you say it will work, please provide some evidence of some sort, e.g. some specs that state that the Galaxy Nexus will work with Mobilicity's network
Thanks so much everyone, and if you could reply as fast as possible it would be extremely appreciated as the promotion that they have for $17.50 might be over really soon so I'll buy it right away.
-Mosh
Galaxy Nexus is penta-band 3G phone...so the HSPA version will work on that network.
You're ok with it,enjoy the phone.
inoplanet said:
Galaxy Nexus is penta-band 3G phone...so the HSPA version will work on that network.
You're ok with it,enjoy the phone.
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Are you sure? I don't mind having slow speeds (HSPA) but my budget is really low and I really want to make sure that the phone will work with Mobilicity out of the box
Yes it will work. Relax
AllBlaxx said:
Yes it will work. Relax
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Thanks, but could anyone point me to specifications for the galaxy nexus which tells me what frequencies or radios they use? I'm really bad at this kind of stuff
Thanks again all
Even though you would have a hard time finding any GSM/UMTS/HSPA network it doesn't work on you could always check the list on Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks#Americas
It says Mobilicity uses the same frequencies as T-Mobile US, a frequency that is both listed in the official specs and is something some people is already using it on without issues.
mohitrocks said:
I don't mind having slow speeds (HSPA)
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This statement makes me shiver for some reason
gambiting said:
This statement makes me shiver for some reason
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Compared to HSPA+?
Edit: So the Galaxy Nexus works with 1700 band IV (AWS)? http://imgur.com/NJrCK
Edit2: So, according to http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_nexus-4219.php, the galaxy nexus has the following:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100
So Mobilicity definitely supports this?
Edit 3: According to a Wikipedia page on Mobilicity:
"Network
The company also has a cell-site sharing agreement with Bell Mobility to share cell tower space in all Mobilicity zones[12]. The network uses the UMTS IV frequency band, also known as AWS, to provide UMTS (with HSPA) service[13]. Using this band, user equipment transmits at 1710–1755 MHz, and receives at 2110–2155 MHz. AWS is the same frequency as Wind Mobile and Videotron in Canada and T-Mobile USA. Like WIND, Mobilicity does not have a 2G, EDGE, GPRS GSM Network.
Mobilicity's network is compatible with the same handsets and devices as Wind Mobile and Videotron networks, and UMTS handsets and devices offered by T-Mobile USA.
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So is the Galaxy Nexus a UMTS handset that works with T-Mobile USA?
Thanks again guys, sorry for being a complete noob
mohitrocks said:
Compared to HSPA+?
Edit: So the Galaxy Nexus works with 1700 band IV (AWS)? http://imgur.com/NJrCK
Edit2: So, according to http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_nexus-4219.php, the galaxy nexus has the following:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100
So Mobilicity definitely supports this?
Edit 3: According to a Wikipedia page on Mobilicity:
"Network
The company also has a cell-site sharing agreement with Bell Mobility to share cell tower space in all Mobilicity zones[12]. The network uses the UMTS IV frequency band, also known as AWS, to provide UMTS (with HSPA) service[13]. Using this band, user equipment transmits at 1710–1755 MHz, and receives at 2110–2155 MHz. AWS is the same frequency as Wind Mobile and Videotron in Canada and T-Mobile USA. Like WIND, Mobilicity does not have a 2G, EDGE, GPRS GSM Network.
Mobilicity's network is compatible with the same handsets and devices as Wind Mobile and Videotron networks, and UMTS handsets and devices offered by T-Mobile USA.
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So is the Galaxy Nexus a UMTS handset that works with T-Mobile USA?
Thanks again guys, sorry for being a complete noob
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I already said so, yes. Should be no problem. My mention of T-Mobile US was only if you wanted to know actual users who are already running it on those frequencies.
Yes, it's a UMTS handset that works with T-Mobile USA. I don't know how I can make it any clearer.
EDIT: Well, to clarify it a bit more I can say that HSPA (HSDPA and HSUPA) HSPA+ are improvements upon UMTS. In other words, every HSPA device is a UMTS device.
blunden said:
I already said so, yes. Should be no problem. My mention of T-Mobile US was only if you wanted to know actual users who are already running it on those frequencies.
Yes, it's a UMTS handset that works with T-Mobile USA. I don't know how I can make it any clearer.
EDIT: Well, to clarify it a bit more I can say that HSPA (HSDPA and HSUPA) HSPA+ are improvements upon UMTS. In other words, every HSPA device is a UMTS device.
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Perfect, thanks so much!Also, according to other websites it has UTMS 1700/2100 or HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 or Network (3G) HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 so basically it will work for sure right?
Sorry for repeatedly asking the same thing, I just want to be sure. One more yes, and I'm going to change the order from 3 year term to unlocked
mohitrocks said:
Perfect, thanks so much!Also, according to other websites it has UTMS 1700/2100 or HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 or Network (3G) HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 so basically it will work for sure right?
Sorry for repeatedly asking the same thing, I just want to be sure. One more yes, and I'm going to change the order from 3 year term to unlocked
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How many different ways do we have to say this? It has quadband GSM and pentaband 3G, if you put in a North American SIM in the phone, it will work.
So apperantly T-Mobile rolled out 1900 at my wives work and at our home, as far as I know 1900 supposed to penetrate buildings better and we are suppose to see better speeds. Well I haven't seen any speed improvements and my wives and my phones still don't work at her work inside or at near by shopping mall.
Does the Galaxy Nexus support the 1900Mhz frequency?
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I thought most GMS phones support 1900 2G and Nexus supports 1900 3G
Yes its a pentaband phone that supports 850,900,1700,1900,2100 bands for HSPA+. In regards to the OP's question; I have no clue as to how much the impact of the new frequency will help you with indoor coverage as I don't have t-mobile. I do hope someone comes along though and can shine some light on it though.
I see now, they deployed 1900 3g, while Nexus does support it, my wives phone doesn't. But I still have not noticed any improvement on mine
i thought I read somewhere that if you dial *#*#4636#*#* then go phone info, then menu "select radio band" and the select USA band it will use the 1900. I don't get it at my place so can't try (only goes to edge for me)
I didn't think 1900 will show any speed or connection improvement. Should be about the same... They only changed to 1900 because LTE will be taking over 1700 band...
Is there an app that can tell us what band we are on?
All system settings shows is network type, but not the frequency.
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Sdobron said:
I didn't think 1900 will show any speed or connection improvement. Should be about the same... They only changed to 1900 because LTE will be taking over 1700 band...
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I said what I said because AndroidCentral had an article on this subject
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-ends-2012-14-more-new-1900mhz-hspa-markets
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My finding using Haipai x710d phone, getting 3G;
Doing *#*#3646633#*#* or using app MobileUncle Tool, and going to the
Band Mode menu - the following bands are checked as supported
GSM Mode:
EGSM900, DCS1800, PCS1900, GSM850
UMTS Mode:
WCDMA-IMT-2000, WCDMA-PCS-1900, WCDMA-CLR-850, WCDMA-800
So Based on this 3G should work for AT&T, and T-Mobile (in areas that have the 1900 reframe)?
Update:
I was able to try AT&T 3G in Atlanta GA area and I was able to get 3G, AT&T 3g data runs on WCDMA-CLR-850 in the Atlanta area; With 3 bars i got Down 4MB, Up 1.1MB.
I'm still not able to test the WCDMA-PCS-1900 band, I don't think AT&T uses the WCDMA-PCS-1900 band in my area (gave it to T-Mobile as part of the merger failure). I'm still looking for a confirmation that WCDMA-PCS-1900 band really works?
I live in America and was thinking about ordering the S4 GT-i9500 for Wolfson Audio chip reason. I wanted to use Tmobile because they have the best prices. I saw that the i9500 network is:
Network: 2.5G (GSM/ GPRS/ EDGE): 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 MHz; 3G (HSPA+ 42Mbps): 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 MHz
And from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US#HSPA.2FHSPA.2B_.224G.22_upgrade, I see that HSPA+ uses 1700/2100 Mhz. It also saids:
Band IV AWS consists of the 1700 / 2100 MHz band pair. Data is transmitted upstream on 1700 MHz and downstream on 2100 MHz. A device must support both frequencies to access T-Mobile's AWS data services.
I don't understand, but sellers on ebay are claiming i9500 will work with Tmobile's 4G in America. How would the i9500 work on the American Tmobile network if it doesn't use the 1700 frequency? What would be the draw back?
Tmobile is refarming its 1900Mhz band for hspa+. If you're in an area that has it you could get 4G with that and pretty good speeds. You won't get LTE and if you're in an area without the 1900 you'll get 2g speeds.
Here's a more technical explanation.
T-Mobile used to exclusively use the AWS (1700/2100) spectrum for DC-HSPA+42mbps. They are currently refarming this for LTE use.
HSPA+21mbps is being moved to the 1900mhz spectrum. So, in areas that have been refarmed, you will have HSPA+ access (NOTE, no 42mbps). In areas that are not refarmed, you'll be limited to EDGE service.
I have a Galaxy S2 GT-i9100, so I have the same limitation. I signed up with T-Mobile about 2 months ago and on a weekly basis, I'm seeing towers refarmed. They intend to have it nearly completed by end of 2013, thus limiting the areas you'll be on Edge only. Eventually, their entire 1900mhz network will be HSPA+ 21, with their AWS network being LTE.
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Here's a more technical explanation.
...you will have HSPA+ access (NOTE, no 42mbps).
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If not 42mbps, what speed?
dman777 said:
If not 42mbps, what speed?
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Their HSPA+ network on 1900mhz is limited to 21mbps.
Basically, their network prior to refarming was:
1900mhz (PCS) - EDGE
1700/2100mhz (AWS) - DC-HSPA+ 42mbps
They have since acquired a TON of PCS and AWS spectrum from; failed AT&T merger, Verizon spectrum swap, and MetroPCS merger.
This will allow them to expand to new markets currently not served, as well as expand bandwidth in existing markets. So, their current plans are to refarm the network to;
1900mhz (PCS) - HSPA+ 21mbps
1700/2100mhz (AWS) - LTE
There will be some limited spectrum for the old EDGE (PCS) and DC-HSPA+ 42 (AWS) available for legacy devices, but that will eventually (at least 2020, most likely) go away. The goal is to have LTE over their core network by mid-2014, and HSPA+ 21mbps being the expanded fallback network. T-Mobile will also be taking part in the 600mhz auction in mid-2014. Their network plans will be made more clear (VoLTE, LTE-A) after that auction. Lower frequencies allow for better building penetration. T-Mobile is currently silently lobbying the FCC (through other groups) to remove Verizon and AT&T from that spectrum auction for the sake of competition.
jaykresge said:
Here's a more technical explanation.
T-Mobile used to exclusively use the AWS (1700/2100) spectrum for DC-HSPA+42mbps. They are currently refarming this for LTE use.
HSPA+21mbps is being moved to the 1900mhz spectrum. So, in areas that have been refarmed, you will have HSPA+ access (NOTE, no 42mbps). In areas that are not refarmed, you'll be limited to EDGE service.
I have a Galaxy S2 GT-i9100, so I have the same limitation. I signed up with T-Mobile about 2 months ago and on a weekly basis, I'm seeing towers refarmed. They intend to have it nearly completed by end of 2013, thus limiting the areas you'll be on Edge only. Eventually, their entire 1900mhz network will be HSPA+ 21, with their AWS network being LTE.
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so eventually you'll be able to access the 21mb range? Thus, if in a refarmed area, you could get 21mb with a i9500?
For explanatory purposes: Ever noticed how, if connected to a 100mbps LAN, you don't ever see 100mbps? That's link speed, not real world.
Applied here, HSPA+ has a top link speed of 21mbps (assuming both ends are compatible). DC-HSDPA has a top link speed of 42mbps. Real world performance will be 3-8mbps on the former, and 5-15mbps on the latter. I've seen spikes up around 12mbps and 25mbps, but those are incredibly rare. Bottom line is, do not expect LTE speeds. I currently have a phone that has 21mbps HSPA support on PCS (1900mhz), and on T-Mobile, I get 6-7mbps in most HSPA areas.
I hope that helps.
Im getting 20-30 m.b.p.s. dwn anf 10-15 m.b.p.s. up Lte.
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rp56 said:
Im getting 20-30 m.b.p.s. dwn anf 10-15 m.b.p.s. up Lte.
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Shouldn't it be more? Are you using the Snapdragon version on the American Tmobile network?
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For explanatory purposes: Ever noticed how, if connected to a 100mbps LAN, you don't ever see 100mbps? That's link speed, not real world.
Applied here, HSPA+ has a top link speed of 21mbps (assuming both ends are compatible). DC-HSDPA has a top link speed of 42mbps. Real world performance will be 3-8mbps on the former, and 5-15mbps on the latter. I've seen spikes up around 12mbps and 25mbps, but those are incredibly rare. Bottom line is, do not expect LTE speeds. I currently have a phone that has 21mbps HSPA support on PCS (1900mhz), and on T-Mobile, I get 6-7mbps in most HSPA areas.
I hope that helps.
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Wow, kind of considering the I9500 again. I live in Austin, Texas. How will I know if Tmobile converted here and if I can get the 6-7mpbs in HSPA where ever I am here? Also, right now I have a Nexus S with 3G. I have to admit that I only am able to get 3G(Tmobile) about 50% of the time and the rest is edge speed. Would HSPA consistency be this bad?
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Wow, kind of considering the I9500 again. I live in Austin, Texas. How will I know if Tmobile converted here and if I can get the 6-7mpbs in HSPA where ever I am here? Also, right now I have a Nexus S with 3G. I have to admit that I only am able to get 3G(Tmobile) about 50% of the time and the rest is edge speed. Would HSPA consistency be this bad?
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If you got the Nexus S model sold for T-Mobile, that has AWS support. That means that switching to a PCS 3G phone like the i9500 means that AT BEST you will have the same Edge/3G coverage ratio you have now, and at worse you'll have mostly Edge coverage. Your 3G data speeds will be faster in the areas you get it though. It will be a tradeoff.
EDIT: Here's a user-generated map of areas that have had 3G and HSPA+ refarmed to PCS. Looks like a few rowers directly in Austin have been refarmed. This is a massive project by T-Mobile and is nowhere near being complete. However, an areas HAS to be refarmed in order for them to launch LTE, so refarmed markets (that already offered 3G/4G AWS service) are the ones that are getting LTE eventually.
http://www.airportal.de/
Sorry if this is old news, I searched the forums and couldn't find a thread where this was explained.
Until recently, it wasn't possible to use HSPA+ with the Glide on T-Mobile, because T-Mo used to use different frequencies (1700/2100) than AT&T (850/1900) for it's HSPA+ service.
However, T-Mobile is migrating its HSPA+ network over to the 1900mhz band. So apparently that means that IF you are in an area where T-Mobile has already made the switch (and your phone is not carrier locked to AT&T), then you can use HSPA+ on T-Mobile.
One thing to note is- since the phone is only operating at 1900mhz and not 850mhz, the speed is cut in half (at least that is how I understand it).
So instead of getting 42Mbps you'll only be able to get 21Mbps (max). Still, it's way better than 2g. Source
Map. Twitter Feed. List.
Sorry, am I missing something? The Captivate Glide specs show it as having UMTS 850/1900/2100, so shouldn't it work both with 1900 and 2100?
rad30n said:
Sorry, am I missing something? The Captivate Glide specs show it as having UMTS 850/1900/2100, so shouldn't it work both with 1900 and 2100?
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The way I understand it, the older T-Mo towers use both 1700mhz and 2100mhz for their HSPA+, using 1710-1755mhz for uploads and 2110-2155 for downloads. The radio's in the Glide are missing the 1700mhz band so it won't work in the areas where they haven't rolled out the switch to 1900 yet.
I am only going by what I have read on the net, so this may not be completely accurate.
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The way I understand it, the older T-Mo towers use both 1700mhz and 2100mhz for their HSPA+, using 1710-1755mhz for uploads and 2110-2155 for downloads. The radio's in the Glide are missing the 1700mhz band so it won't work in the areas where they haven't rolled out the switch to 1900 yet.
I am only going by what I have read on the net, so this may not be completely accurate.
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Got it, thanks!
On band 2 or 4 hspa?
PunishedSnake said:
On band 2 or 4 hspa?
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Here is 1 way https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.simplyadvanced.ltediscovery
There are ways by dialing some codes but don't know them.
G4 here but that doesn't show band 2 or 4hspa
PunishedSnake said:
G4 here but that doesn't show band 2 or 4hspa
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I'm on T-mobile. Here it clearly shows Band 4 whenever I have LTE connection.
Edit: Also on HSPA
GUGUITOMTG4 said:
I'm on T-mobile. Here it clearly shows Band 4 whenever I have LTE connection.
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I'm asking about hspa
PunishedSnake said:
I'm asking about hspa
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If you use T-mobile Hspa/hspa+ (4G) and LTE run on band 4 now days.
So, whenever you are on either HSPA or LTE, you be using band 4 as of now.
Here's the T-Mobile bands:
LTE Frequencies:
1700 MHz & 2100 MHz AWS band 4
1900 MHz MetroPCS band 2 (in refarmed areas)
Lower 700 MHz band 12 (in development) / in service in selected areas
3G/4G Frequencies (WCDMA):
1700 MHz & 2100 MHz AWS band 4
1900 MHz PCS band 2 (in refarmed areas)
2G Frequencies (GSM/GPRS/EDGE):
1900 MHz PCS band 2
Should have been clearer
I know all that but I don't know if my phone is on 1900 or aws hspa
PunishedSnake said:
Should have been clearer
I know all that but I don't know if my phone is on 1900 or aws hspa
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You should be able to tell by looking the the signal bars. if you have 3g/4g or LTE, you're on 1700/2100 (b4) I gave all info. T-mobile no longer uses their old 1900Mhz. (MetroPCS) does or did.. Maybe if you set your phone to "GSM Only" on the network setting it may use their old 1900.
Approximately 90% of our network traffic is on our 3G and 4G bands (1700 MHz and 2100 MHz), which is leaving our 2G bands (850 MHz and 1900 MHz) underused. To help make best use of our 2G bands, we will be re-farming the excess 1900 MHz spectrum from EDGE technology to HSPA+. This will not eliminate 2G 1900 coverage in an area, but will free up some of that spectrum for 4G services. This reallocation will result in increased 4G capacity, smoother connections, and fewer dropped calls.
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Man, you didn't even get ONE thanks for any of those replies? That will change now even though I have a Verizon LG-G4 and this thread doesn't matter to me
Lol why thank when not answering the question
Question was
How do I find out which hspa band my phone is one?
And yes T-Mobile uses hspa 1900 now. Actually runs both 1700 and 1900 similtaneously in most of CA
Before with the gs6 I'd merely set 1900hspa to see if its here lol