If I root my phone and Tmo sends an OTA update, will my phone still be rooted?
I don't believe you have to reset the flash count for this. But you do need to flash unrooted stock ROM first. Then get the OTA update. After that root again.
Thank you for the response.
I had another phone I rooted and when Tmo tried to push the update, Recovery mode caught it. I could never get the phone out of recovery mode after that. I got rid of the phone.
I don't want that to happen again obviously and why I asked the question. Seems to me, returning to stock, the rerooting might be more trouble than it's worth unless I had some compelling reason to do so.
JosephL said:
Thank you for the response.
I had another phone I rooted and when Tmo tried to push the update, Recovery mode caught it. I could never get the phone out of recovery mode after that. I got rid of the phone.
I don't want that to happen again obviously and why I asked the question. Seems to me, returning to stock, the rerooting might be more trouble than it's worth unless I had some compelling reason to do so.
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Here is the easiest method of managing root with this device: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957720
I like managing the background auto start processes to make my devices run much more smoothly. Which is why I like to root. Back up is another reason.
At this point I believe staying stock while rooted right now would help in the process of unrooting for updates.
There is going to be at least two or more updates. First update to get our multi-window, Swift Key Flow keyboard and other stuff that should of been in our Note 2 devices. Another update that will be enabling our LTE radio (when T-Mobile rolls out LTE). Jelly Bean 4.2 Android OS update should be updated somewhere in between these other updates (possibly at the same time as the enabling LTE update). So you are correct in thinking first before rooting.
JaguarXT said:
So you are correct in thinking first before rooting.
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Uh huh. I see a stock ROM in my future.
Thanks.
JaguarXT said:
At this point I believe staying stock while rooted. right now would help in the process of unrooting for updates.
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So you are saying, root but leave stock. Will the updates require me to unroot to receive them if I leave it stock?
Correct
Root and leave stock just my idea. Makes things easier when unrooting. But that is just my idea.
Always make a backup stock rom to unroot with. Or you can use the stock rom from this thread here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/sho...FIRMWARE] SGH-T889 Factory Image (Unmodified) This is gold here.
After each OTA update you should make a backup of your stock rom as your latest stock rom. We should have a latest version of stock rom posted in our forum. But always best to use your latest backup image for stock rom. Again: This is gold here.
Read the thread that I gave you above.
But yes, unrooting before you can take OTA update. Take OTA update. Then root again.
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JaguarXT said:
But yes, unrooting before you can take OTA update. Take OTA update. Then root again.
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According to this guy all I need to do is flash the stock recovery, then I can take the update, then just flash Clockwork recovery once the update is taken and by what I think he's saying I don't have to unroot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VVyQRdsnaA&feature=channel&list=UL
Does this sound right?
Flashing stock rom will unroot your Galaxy Note 2. Basically put your Galaxy Note 2 back in to the same unmodified state that you bought it. Then OTA update. Then root.
Yes, I would take the OTA updates for now. They are important.
Also remember to backup your stock rom after OTA update. This will be the new stock rom for you to flash when you need to.
Sorry that I didn't explain what the process of unrooting was with GN2. Didn't have time, while with family. That is why I gave you the links.
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Flashing stock rom will unroot your Galaxy Note 2. Basically put your Galaxy Note 2 back in to the same unmodified state that you bought it. Then OTA update. Then root.
Yes, I would take the OTA updates for now. They are important.
Also remember to backup your stock rom after OTA update. This will be the new stock rom for you to flash when you need to.
Sorry that I didn't explain what the process of unrooting was with GN2. Didn't have time, while with family. That is why I gave you the links.
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would voodoo rootkeeper work for unrooting a stock rom, taking the ota update, then using voodoo again to regain root?
the only thing ive done to my phone is root, but i still want the ota updates for multi-window, etc later on.
JosephL said:
Thank you for the response.
I had another phone I rooted and when Tmo tried to push the update, Recovery mode caught it. I could never get the phone out of recovery mode after that. I got rid of the phone.
I don't want that to happen again obviously and why I asked the question. Seems to me, returning to stock, the rerooting might be more trouble than it's worth unless I had some compelling reason to do so.
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I dont have this phone yet but I know in most android you can disable updates in the settings so you dont run into those kinda problems
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JaguarXT said:
Flashing stock rom will unroot your Galaxy Note 2. Basically put your Galaxy Note 2 back in to the same unmodified state that you bought it. Then OTA update. Then root.
Yes, I would take the OTA updates for now. They are important.
Also remember to backup your stock rom after OTA update. This will be the new stock rom for you to flash when you need to.
Sorry that I didn't explain what the process of unrooting was with GN2. Didn't have time, while with family. That is why I gave you the links.
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when you install custom roms doesnt that make ota s moot? or does the device still retain updated functionality when using custom rooted rom ?
It all depends on what is going with the OTA. Some OTA updates might enable hardware that was otherwise dormant. LTE sure would be nice...
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heiNey said:
would voodoo rootkeeper work for unrooting a stock rom, taking the ota update, then using voodoo again to regain root?
the only thing ive done to my phone is root, but i still want the ota updates for multi-window, etc later on.
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No, Voodoo rootkeeper would not work here. Not needed either.
When you root Galaxy Note 2 it sets a "Modified" status to your Galaxy Note 2. As long as your Galaxy Note 2 status is set to "Modified" then you can't get OTA updates. This is why you have to flash Stock ROM back into your GN2. I am hoping and believing that you don't have to reset the flash count for this. At least that was not the case with Sprint OTA update version. The OTA updater just checks if you are unmodified or modified. If you are modified then the updater will tell you that you can't update because you are "Modified". Again this is the reason for flashing the Stock unrooted ROM. Once you flash Stock ROM then you will have "Unmodified" status. That is when you will be able to get OTA updates.
Please get the Stock recovering ROM and be ready to flash it when OTA update is ready.
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I dont have this phone yet but I know in most android you can disable updates in the settings so you dont run into those kinda problems
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when you install custom roms doesnt that make ota s moot? or does the device still retain updated functionality when using custom rooted rom ?
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Yes, root disables the updates through the status of "Modified". In fact when you try to update it says that you can't update because your GN2 is "Modified". But there are reasons that people want OTA updates: If you want your Multi-window feature, Swift Key Flow keyboard w/ S pen write to text, etc then you want the OTA update. If you want the LTE enable when T-Mobile rolls out LTE, then you want OTA update at that time And I can go on....
That is why people are asking these very good questions.
And in either case, within 24 hrs of any updates being released we'll have that rom in a .zip here on xda pre-rooted and ready to flash. I don't mess with counters, rooting/unrooting, etc... It'll be here!
farfromovin said:
And in either case, within 24 hrs of any updates being released we'll have that rom in a .zip here on xda pre-rooted and ready to flash. I don't mess with counters, rooting/unrooting, etc... It'll be here!
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Firstly messing with counters is mostly likely not needed. So that should not be a worry. Just to be noted.
Secondly, I hope that you are correct on that. But I been there thinking that community would do so but didn't. And least not for a while. And when they did found ways around to root again, it was not the way we wanted it. So I learned to not to put all my eggs in one basket.
Flashing Stock recovery ROM, taking the OTA updates, then root again is one of the baskets that all should have. If you don't need then no harm done. But if need and don't have it then harm done. A solution to the problem until another solution comes by.
heiNey said:
would voodoo rootkeeper work for unrooting a stock rom, taking the ota update, then using voodoo again to regain root?
the only thing ive done to my phone is root, but i still want the ota updates for multi-window, etc later on.
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I was wondering this as well. In the past I have had success with getting updates and using apps that required root by simply using the Voodoo OTA Rootkeeper app, but I don't know if it will work on this particular phone or not.
I suppose it's worth a shot to at least try when an update rolls around because if it works it's a lot easier than flashing back to stock and re-rooting again.
*Edit: Ah never mind, saw JaguarXT's reply saying it won't work. In that case I think I will hold off rooting the Note II for the time being.
JaguarXT said:
No, Voodoo rootkeeper would not work here. Not needed either.
When you root Galaxy Note 2 it sets a "Modified" status to your Galaxy Note 2. As long as your Galaxy Note 2 status is set to "Modified" then you can't get OTA updates. This is why you have to flash Stock ROM back into your GN2. I am hoping and believing that you don't have to reset the flash count for this. At least that was not the case with Sprint OTA update version. The OTA updater just checks if you are unmodified or modified. If you are modified then the updater will tell you that you can't update because you are "Modified". Again this is the reason for flashing the Stock unrooted ROM. Once you flash Stock ROM then you will have "Unmodified" status. That is when you will be able to get OTA updates.
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I am currently rooted and do not show the "Modified" status. I am also able to check for OTA updates. I believe it is bad information like this which is allowing people to feel it's OK to run amok with their phones. I feel this promotes the "need" for ROMs when most users could simply sit down with a launcher and customize it exactly the way they want it without a custom ROM. Now if I was getting some amazing battery life, or additional functionality that I can't live without, I might look at a ROM or two, but this isn't a Nexus, and stock\rooted\personalized works for me.
For those wanting to ROOT only, and that would be my recommendation, follow these instructions and STOP where he says STOP HERE.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1975560
Here is a couple of screen shots of what I was talking about. After stock recovery ROM no more "Modified" and can accept updates. Only after rooting get "Modified". Right I am rooted for backup and for AutoStarts app. But I did tried methods and know what works.
This is the method I know and tried of going back to stock and ready for OTA.
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mdt73 said:
Now if I was getting some amazing battery life, or additional functionality that I can't live without, I might look at a ROM or two, but this isn't a Nexus, and stock\rooted\personalized works for me.
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That's exactly where I am in all this. I plan NO custom roms because I'm sick of my phone not working.
I just want to do a few things that require root on the stock rom and for the things I want, I don't need a custom recovery.
Hey Guys Running CWM on Stock, Rooted ROM.
Looks like the AT&T JB update is probably coming down the pipe soon. What do you plan to do for the OTA? I'm considering flashing stock recovery so the JB OTA will go via the normal OTA process and then try to reroot with Voodoo.
Are others doing the same or are you guys just going to wait for a CWM flashable stock JB update? I'm new to the S3 so not sure what the best strategy for a clean update with root is.
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Hey Guys Running CWM on Stock, Rooted ROM.
Looks like the AT&T JB update is probably coming down the pipe soon. What do you plan to do for the OTA? I'm considering flashing stock recovery so the JB OTA will go via the normal OTA process and then try to reroot with Voodoo.
Are others doing the same or are you guys just going to wait for a CWM flashable stock JB update? I'm new to the S3 so not sure what the best strategy for a clean update with root is.
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I have the SGH-I747M in Canada and got the OTA on Dec. 2nd automatically. I postponed the install so I could first do a nandroid backup.
When I tried the OTA install, CWM was unable to handle it and gave me Status 7 errors. I have seen a post on how to get around that, but essentially it does not allow you to run the OTA as an OTA. If you would like to see the OTA proceed normally, the simplest way would be to revert to Stock first.
Once I root I can't ever get update from att again right?
That is not correct. If you are simply stock rooted you can still receive ota updates, but will loose root if you don't use voodoo ota root keeper. If you have a custom recovery installed, the ota won't upgrade successfully. Most (all i can think of) custom roms have ota updates disabled. I do not know if this information applies to KIES updates, as i don't usually use it for updates.
My galaxy siii was rooted before kitkat was out, and I have been using it until now and have not yet update to KitKat yet because AT&T is not part of it any more.
How do I get KitKat on my phone? Do I have to unroot the phone and put it back into AT&T mode to download or what should I do?
this might help.
remember:READREADREAD
BACKUPBACKUPBACKUP
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1802160
good luck
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You will need to unroot your phone and have the stock recovery.
Thank you for both replies gentleman
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You will need to unroot your phone and have the stock recovery.
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I might add to this...if you removed any stock carrier or vendor apps from 4.3 while being rooted...you'll have to restore them via a Titamium Backup or some other way or the OTA update will not install properly. (I realized that the OTA update from 4.3 to 4.4.2 will patch these apps to update them to 4.4.2 compatibility)
If you can't do that or if its unreasonable to do that based on the way the phone was modified while rooted...I suggest flashing the stock 4.3 rom via Odin and then take the OTA.
Id recommend flashing the 4.3 firmware via Odin to begin with. Its starting to seem like a lot of people who even just have to unroot are having problems with the ota. I think Odin flashing stock 4.3 will give the best chance of a successful update.
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I might add to this...if you removed any stock carrier or vendor apps from 4.3 while being rooted...you'll have to restore them via a Titamium Backup or some other way or the OTA update will not install properly. (I realized that the OTA update from 4.3 to 4.4.2 will patch these apps to update them to 4.4.2 compatibility)
If you can't do that or if its unreasonable to do that based on the way the phone was modified while rooted...I suggest flashing the stock 4.3 rom via Odin and then take the OTA.
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I am having this issue. I rooted on 4.3 and removed Google books and newsstand. I then uprooted and did a factory reset , so everything in download mode says "official" but the apps were still missing so I downloaded them from the play store. My question is will this let me get the OTA now or do I have to push the apps to the /system directory somehow? Also if I flash the 4.3 ODIN tar file, will it trip my warranty bit? It's at 0 right now and want to keep it that way until my warranty is up.
The firmware shouldn't trip the bit, but I can't promise that. Im sure its confirmed one way or the other in its thread though.
As for those apps, they'd have to be system apps, so just installing normally won't help. More importantly though, they would also need to be the same version that was originally built into the firmware. The apps you mentioned have seen many updates and using the current versions will not work.
I got the phone 2 weeks ago and it came with 4.3 installed on it. Would I be able to use the current version and just push them to /system/app with titanium backup? I am trying to get the OTA without tripping any warranty or security measures.
I'm on stock rooted 4.4.2 on my Sprint L710t (spark version). I got a notification for an OTA update yesterday coming in at 70.5MB and states that they're security updates and bug fixes. Did anyone else get this and do they know what these changes are? Will I lose root if I update?
I'm currently on OA3 baseband. Thanks.
I have the same baseband but have not received that message. Did you except the update or at least let it download the update then copy it from your system files to your internal or external sdcard? If you download it and save it could you upload it so I can get it from you and look through the update?
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I'm on stock rooted 4.4.2 on my Sprint L710t (spark version). I got a notification for an OTA update yesterday coming in at 70.5MB and states that they're security updates and bug fixes. Did anyone else get this and do they know what these changes are? Will I lose root if I update?
I'm currently on OA3 baseband. Thanks.
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Idk if you will loose root access or if it will even allow you update since you are rooted cause you have modified the system file a little! I got the update this morning finally but I couldn't take it cause I have TWRP recovery and not stock recovery and I have deleted quiet a system apps. But you pull the update file from your cahce folder and open the zip file up and look at what all gest updated! The bootloader, kernel, modem and a bunch of system apps and CSC codes are all updated so far that I can see.
I haven't been able to update either since I'm using TWRP. Do you think it's worth going back to stock recovery in order to update? How would I even do that on OA3? I've seen a lot of tutorials on getting stock back on NF4 baseband, but nothing on OA3.
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I haven't been able to update either since I'm using TWRP. Do you think it's worth going back to stock recovery in order to update? How would I even do that on OA3? I've seen a lot of tutorials on getting stock back on NF4 baseband, but nothing on OA3.
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I'm sure it would help at least with our service cause they did update our modem! I'm not sure either about what is the best way to try to update. I'm running a custom kernel and TWRP so I would have to flash the NF4 package and see see it would give me ota-update for OA3 then allow me to update to the new L710TVPU0AOF2. Thats the new baseband. I'm not really sure I haven't ever had the problem of worrying about stock ota-updates. I've always normally had devices that developers post the update firmware packages online for us! I've asked Chainfire if he thinks we could flash the update using Flashfire but he hasn't replied yet. I don't think we will be able to but it's worth a shot to ask.
I just received the same update. Is there a way to disable it
How can I upload it?? Where is the update downloaded into??