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[Q] ROM full, even with app2sd; dalvikCache

So, you are thinking 'not again the *** apps2sd n00b question', but here I am
I did some research on XDA and the rest of the internet though, but nobody seems to have this problem.
I have a rooted Desire with DeFrost 6.0. With it, it is very easy to install your apps on the SD-card. I have only 8 apps on the ROM itself, but those are widgets and apps with notifications like Facebook (notifications don't work if they are installed on de sd-card is my experience).
The rest of my applications are installed on the sd-card (around 80 apps). But the problem is that all apps also have a piece of dalvikCache on the ROM as well. You all know that of course. For instance, I installed Documents To Go (5MB) on the sd-card. It also has 5MB dalvikCache on the ROM, so thats double the price .
Now if people ask here 'is it safe to move the cache to the sd-card', most of you say 'unless you want to show off how much empty space you have on your phone, I would just keep it on the phone'. But I do not have any free space.
With DiskUsage I can see that I have around 150 MB of data: 26MB system data, 15MB free space (and he is already nagging the telephone is running out of space), and more than 100MB of applications, with most of it is dalvikCache.
So is this normal? Is 80 apps really the max you can have?
My biggets app is by the way Documents To Go (5MB), and I had to delete it. So I don't have very big apps.
Just want to know how much apps you guys have
Thanks.

How have you forced the Dalvik Cache to stay on the phone memory and why/how have you copied your widgets on your phone memory?
PS: Do you use an EXT3 Partition or the Froyo legacy A2SD?

It's not unusual to move dalvik cache as well as the app. You will need root though, and then just partition your sd-card and install a rom with a2sd+. The only /data/data will take up space on the phone.

UpSpin said:
How have you forced the Dalvik Cache to stay on the phone memory and why/how have you copied your widgets on your phone memory?
PS: Do you use an EXT3 Partition or the Froyo legacy A2SD?
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I didn't do anything to force the cache to stay on de phone. But it's normal the dalvikCache is on the phone memory right?
I use defrost 6.0 and in it you can go to settings > applications > manage applicatons, an you can move all your apps to the sd-card. I'm not sure what kind of A2SD that is.
I move any applications with widgets to my phone memory, because otherwise widgets don't work anymore if you reboot your phone.
@mortenmhp: But also a lot of people do not recommend to move the dalvikcache. Is it safe to do?

you're confusing a few things:
APPS2SD:
There are two methods used at the moment.
The Froyo method, made by Google, which you use at the moment. It installs the app on the phone memory and is able to outsource a small amount of data to the FAT32 partition on your SD-card. It does create failures with apps that use widgets or run in the background.
The A2SD+ method, integrated in DeFroST and almost every other custom ROM. You have to create an EXT3 partition on your SD card (use ROM manager for this) and then reflash the rom. After that it gets activated automatically. All apps and also the dalvik cache gets moved on the EXT3 partition on your SD card. You don't have to and you shouldn't move any apps around afterwards with the Froyo A2SD described above. Only some small data gets stored by the apps itself on the internal phone memory.
Moving the dalvik cache is safe. Maybe you confuse it with SWAP? Which isn't necessary on the HTC Desire.

ok, this is a little confusing
I'm running defrost
let's suppose that I installed the firefox app.
the diskusage tool tells me that it takes 13,4 MB in internal memory.
in applications settings, I have the option to move the app to sd card.
When I do this, my available memory does not change (102 mb)
Does that mean that firefox was already on the sd card ?
In that case how do I know what eats up my data storage ?
Thanks for precisions ?

Do you use A2SD+ together with an EXT3 partition.
If so, every app you install will get installed on the EXT3 partition on your SD-card together with the Dalvik cache, instead of your internal phone memory. If you move this app with the Froyo A2SD tool to the SD card then you'll move the app from the EXT3 partition to your FAT32 partition, stupid.
However, every app, while running, creates some temporary data files. Those files remain on the internal phone memory. And maybe Firefox mobile creates some huge data files, but the main app is installed on the EXT3 partition, now, because you moved it with Froyo A2SD, a small part is installed on the EXT3 partition and some part, the moved on the FAT32 partition. The created data remains untouched.
I had 106 MB free internal memory. Then I installed Firefox and still had 106MB free. I started Firefox, 103 MB free.
Diskusage tells me Firefox needs 2.81MB internal memory. 2.81MB of this is data.
In the Android app settings android tells me Firefox occupies 16.19 MB, 13.38 MB for the app, 2.81 MB data.
So those 13.38 MB are located on the EXT3 partition. If I move Firefox now, parts of the 13.38 MB get moved from the SD card to the SD card.

Ah, I get it now. Thank you very much. I did everything you said, so it should be ok now. So there is no need anymore to move apps, with widgets for instance, to the memory of the phone?
Thanks!

If you use app2sd with the ext partition now, then no, you don't have to move any app or widget around, and you shouldn't.
With Quick System Info you can check how much free space is left on your ext partition.
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[Q] Storage Leak Problem on Desire/GB

I have HTC Desire with InsertCoin GB ROM 1.05 (not CM), used just for several days. Of course, almost all apps are moved to SD storage except few like Go Apps and small system utilities.
Today I started to get message that storage space is too low - just about 200K. I have moved GoSMS app to SD, then Gmail, and process hangs. GoSMS successfully moved to SD, while Gmail simply disappeared at all. After restart free space on internal memory left only 100K (yes, even less space then before).
Fixing permissions from ROM manager didn't help, so I wiped out cache partition. Free space increased to 65MB. Wiping dalvik cache increased it further to 72 MB.
I have very few data on phone, several hundred contacts and 20 SMS messages, virtually nothing else.
Now DiskUsage app reports this data:
Data - 194.7 MiB
Applications - 122 MiB
Free - 72.7 MB
I feel something is not right there. I can't understand why there so much data - almost 195 MB. Looks like some app draining free space on internal memory. I did video recording today on SD card, may be video recorder is buggy? I also had Locus map for some time, but then I deleted it with Uninstaller App.
Another possible clue - HTC Car Panel uses 50 MB for maps. Where they are? On internal memory?
Anyone can suggest what could cause this problem?
Thanks in advance for any suggestion(s).

Dalvik cache is on the internal memory and can be huge depending on apps installed

try moving the dalvik cash to your SD, you can use Terminal off the market to move it, youll also need busybox - take a look http://code.google.com/p/android-roms/wiki/A2SD
Also InsertCoin may have an option to move it using a pre-installed app, i know RCMix s 1.7 as a cool app to do it, i would be surprised in the InsertCoin builds didn't have it as well.

Or use a data2sd RoM and have the worry of space gone

Try this:
http://androidforums.com/htc-desire/127440-internal-memory-again.html

[Q] Low in internal space, even though internal memory available.

Hi all,
Running a bit low on storage space at the moment.
In settings it says that I have 66mb internal mem free for apps but when I try to download and install an app like Google goggles (roughly 5 mb) it says internal memory low
Cleared cache on Google Play store and dalvik cache using supercharger (if that helps) but that didn't help... any suggestions?
On another note, if I install link2sd does my stock kernel ICS .562 support a ext4 partition?
Cheers!

Im getting the same issue here. Im running Official ICS and have deleted the bloatware and un-needed system apps.
My internal says 56mb but cant install apps without deleting one or two that i dont use or move to sd.

adielee said:
Hi all,
Running a bit low on storage space at the moment.
In settings it says that I have 66mb internal mem free for apps but when I try to download and install an app like Google goggles (roughly 5 mb) it says internal memory low
Cleared cache on Google Play store and dalvik cache using supercharger (if that helps) but that didn't help... any suggestions?
On another note, if I install link2sd does my stock kernel ICS .562 support a ext4 partition?
Cheers!
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Try a RAM/cache cleaner from the market, there are a few free good ones. And yes, ext4 is supported.

Sceptical of so many memory "fixes" I did grab one for the market, Memory Booster Lite (Tablet) by Imoblife Inc. I thought I don't need more menory I need more space, was down to 37 megs out of 252 after moving all I could to SD, and only installed not even 20 apps. After install not even a reboot, back up to 122. I sure hope that some fixes are in the works for ICS updates as the internal memory on my GB 2.3.6 phone is 1.5 gigs and again only 252 megs on my ICS 4.03 tablet. When someone comes up with a way to "partition magic" these parts let me know becasue this is nuts.
Thanks again for the insight as I can now continue to load up my tablet with useless stuff

sinkster said:
Try a RAM/cache cleaner from the market, there are a few free good ones. And yes, ext4 is supported.
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Thanks for your response. I have tried quite a few of these cleaners but they don't really do the job for me. Ram/cache cleaners seem to be temporary and for cache it just builds itself up again after a reboot.
Managed to delete some useless system apps/data which has also sped up my system quite a bit.
I will give the ext4 a try when I get some time.
Cheers,

I also have the same problem but worse I only use about 7 phone only apps roughly 50mb altogether and it says I only got 9% (about 36mb) left.
Last time this happened I wiped my phone, but as the weeks go by the free memory keeps going down even though I don't install anything else.
I currently use zdbox task killer & official Sony rom.
If someone can find a solution to this, please tell.
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i think you can try use ext 2 if problem with ext4..
or you can partition your sd card via recovery, and give swap memory about 256MB..
install link2 sd aplication and then choose ext 2 (first time you open link2sd app)
and reboot your phone..
and from link2sd app you can move all apps to sd card..
you can also make link2sd automatic link your apps..

you should use the app link2sd to solve that problem...

Don't think you understand.. all the apps I installed in the phone should only take about 10% memory including cache etc.
I rooted and pretty much moved every app. The only ones that stayed were for stability reasons such as smart keyboard or beautiful widgets.
Basically only solution I found so far is a hard reset, but after about 4 months it will be back to 9% again.
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Problems with a2sd and the Rom CM10.1 VJ Jelly Bean 4.2.2 v6.3

Hello,
i have installed the Custom Rom (CM10.1 VJ Jelly Bean 4.2.2 v6.3) like described under http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2070704.
I have the problem, that the space named "Internal" (data) decrease after install an app.
I typed the following commands
# su
# a2sd install
Y
N
Y
What can i do? What is the problem?
Must i type the commands after install an app, every time?
Thank you very much
Greetings

No you must turn on script only once. A2sd work, but they not display higher space like int2sd script. They "slowly" fill internal storage
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This is normal
When you typed 'N', you choose not to move app data (e.g. saved game data) to sd-ext, this is a good thing for speed and stability
Therefore when you install an app, it generates data and your internal memory will decrease but much slower. The app apk and the dalvik cache get moved to sd-ext as chosen when you typed 'Y'
Use an app like diskusage to browse your /data (internal memory) and sd-ext, you'll understand how your partitions are being used.

Ok, i think i understand.
Now i have all i want (a lot of) installed and make a screenshot. (cant insert picture)
(Total, used, free)
"internal" = 148, 106, 42 MB
Sd-ext = 1008, 678, 330 MB
System = 250, 249, 1 MB (Space used by 99%)
I think the space is normal?
Is "system" ok, too?
I think i should not move app data to sd-ext at the moment?
Greetings
Bandor

Yes that space looks fine
/system is meant to be full. Any free space on /system is actually wasted space, so 99% full is good
If free space on /data gets any lower, I recommend you don't move all of it to sd-ext unless you have a very fast sdcard.
Instead you can move some of the app data to sd-ext using titanium backup. Long press on an app, select 'move app data to sdcard'. You will likely make the app slower by doing this though

Hello again,
i just don't know if the a2sd works all right.
Now i can't install something or update my apps. The desire allways say "out of memory".
Under "Settings-Apps-downloadet" are 33 MB free and 115 MB used. Under "Settings-Apps-On sd-Card" are 10 GB free and 18 used.
If i look the app "Adobe Reader" (for example) under "Settings-Apps-downloadet" it shows following: Complete 7,29; App 7,25; USB-Memory-App 0,00; Dates 40,00 KB; SD-Card 0,00.
If i look the app "Adobe Reader" (for example) under "Settings-Apps-downloadet" it shows the same.
Is this realy ok?
If i type "a2sd install"... (tread 1) there was not show that someting will be move to sd-Card?
"a2sd check" doesn't work too.
I make some screenshots and post it then.
Sorry for my bad english.
Greetings

Here some screenshots from the "Settings...", DiskUsage (App Storage) and FreeSpace.
Before i installed CM10.1 VJ Jelly Bean 4.2.2 i have installed CM 7 and no problems (but i think not installed with a2sd)

Perhaps i have too much Apps for the Desire but with CM7 no Problem. I think i used s2e, but i am not sure.
This Apps are the biggerst one "and no Games):
Swiftkey 60MB, Flightradar24 47MB, Threema 36 MB, Tune In Radio 27 MB, Google Play Dienste 22 MB, Hangouts 19 MB, Smart Tools 18 MB, VPlayer 18 MB,...

Looks like you simply have too many apps installed
On stock hboot and your a2sd setup, you have apps and dalvik on sd-ext. However you still only have 147MB for app data (e.g saved game data or app settings)
147MB is not very much. Big apps won't update because the ROM can't 'see' the sd-ext, thinks it only has 31MB free
Find another screenshot of your /data partition with DiskUsage, the one which is total 147MB big and showing 31MB free (you may need to use the 'requires root' option). The diskusage screenshot you've provided is a different 'data' which I don't understand.
It will make things clearer, show you exactly what is taking up your /data (internal memory) partition.
The way to get more memory is flash an hboot with a smaller /system and flash a compatible ROM. You get more /data as a result. If you did this with with ROMs like CM7 this could explain why you didn't have as many problems.

Do you mean this Screenshot?
With the last Custom Rom CM 7 i have the same hboot, i think.

Bandor said:
Do you mean this Screenshot?
With the last Custom Rom CM 7 i have the same hboot, i think.
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Yea, like eddiehk6 has explained, everything is working as it should. You have simply just run out of space.
Although a2sd will let you install more apps than usual, it still has limits. Data is left on the internal storage, therefore it will eventually fill up and you will no longer be able to install apps (albeit at a slower rate than without the script).
Notice that app-lib is taking up quite a lot of space. Im not sure if a2sd allows you to do this, but with m2sd you have the ability to also move app-lib to sd-ext. This frees up a decent amount of space without sacrificing much performance. Maybe take a look into switching to m2sd.

Here some screenshots again.
There are some apps with use a lot of space. Can i move some of then manually with no problem after i do that?
Perhaps i should try m2sd.
Or another Custom Rom.
But i searching a long time fore this Rom and used this. The Rom ist good, if the Problem with the space were not.
Which Custom Rom should i try? There are so many.
Perhaps someone not with a2sd?

Why dont you try Beanstalk? I've never had a better rom on my desire. Not even GB.
???

I think i should try it.
Is it this one?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2651790
Thank you
Greetigns

Bandor said:
I think i should try it.
Is it this one?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2651790
Thank you
Greetigns
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Yes.

eddiehk6 said:
Yes that space looks fine
/system is meant to be full. Any free space on /system is actually wasted space, so 99% full is good
If free space on /data gets any lower, I recommend you don't move all of it to sd-ext unless you have a very fast sdcard.
Instead you can move some of the app data to sd-ext using titanium backup. Long press on an app, select 'move app data to sdcard'. You will likely make the app slower by doing this though
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Thanks this helped me sort my issue - was using myMail which stores email data locally, moved that using TB and now have enough space again... will also try Beanstalk as recommended when I get some time! Currently the Vejendrahs CM10.1 ROM has been mostly very good for me.

Help with storage please.

I've tried the several of the 4.4.4 CM11, ominrom, and currently the carbonrom. All of them I'm having trouble getting several, if any, apps to the sd card.
The only apps that will go are messenger and terminal. The rest stay on the internal drive. However, even after flashing, I'm only left with 100mb to install apps on. After I run the gapps, there's not enough space to install more than one or two apps and the phone is pretty slow. It seems to be a common problem but I've done a ton of reading and believe I've followed all the instructions.
-partitioned exactly how the guide says using 4ext. no problems. ( my card is 64GB)
-a2sd via terminal also works
-my sd card shows in storage
Any help would be appreciated.

- How big is the partition, should be max 2GB.
- Install diskusage app, enable root and browse to your sd-ext partition, check that it is being used, should see /app and /dalvik-cache folders if setup correctly
- your internal memory won't read 'internal + sd-ext'. Keep apps on internal to trick them to sd-ext, so do not 'move to sd'

Thanks... I did a 1GB partition and re: your suggestion, it looks like I have everything is in order.
Does that mean the internal memory is just full with the ROM installation? Should I look at using an older/smaller rom?

rspear said:
Thanks... I did a 1GB partition and re: your suggestion, it looks like I have everything is in order.
Does that mean the internal memory is just full with the ROM installation? Should I look at using an older/smaller rom?
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You have ~1GB space for apps and dalvik-cache.
When it says 100MB remaining, this does not mean you have 100MB left for apps. This will be used for app data like app settings / saved game data, and app caches. It will still fill up the more you install, but more slowly. Again you can use the diskusage app to browse your /data partition.
The limiting factor is that your are still on stock hboot with only ~147MB actual internal memory (the same as before you rooted)
You can flash a different hboot (requires S-OFF), then flash a corresponding older ROM with smaller /system size like CM7 or Oxygen. That along with equivalent a2sd script will give you more app space. You will always eventually run out of space though

Awesome! Thanks for your time.