Odd problem here... battery charges for a while but it stops always, making it unable to flash the boot.img (which is the only file missing to run it)
I have the clockwork mod latest verison installed, and it doesnt charge in recovery neither (only to that limits).
I have tried charging it with 2 or 3 cables and no luck.
Any ideas? Anything is appreciated and will be tested.
so just to confirm are you having an remote battery low error returned when trying to flash the boot.img?
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so just to confirm are you having an remote battery low error returned when trying to flash the boot.img?
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Exactly It appears just as I try to flash it and then it changes to remote (hex direction)
or some other errors, then i unplug and reconnect and back to battery low. I have tried some cables as well, same problem.
Also I forgot to mention, when I connect it it first stays off (the notification led), then after some time and some presses from the Power and Volume down key (the boot sequence) it starts blinking red (kinda fast) in a short led light then off then again short led light, after some time it stars to last longer, I mean led light stays on for more time then off then again, until (sometimes only) it goes static led, but after that it turns off and stops charging.
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Also I forgot to mention, when I connect it it first stays off (the notification led), then after some time and some presses from the Power and Volume down key (the boot sequence) it starts blinking red (kinda fast) in a short led light then off then again short led light, after some time it stars to last longer, I mean led light stays on for more time then off then again, until (sometimes only) it goes static led, but after that it turns off and stops charging.
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Have you tried the fastboot trickle charge script?
(can you get to bootloader/fastboot?)
I'm still a little confused what's happening with your phone.
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Have you tried the fastboot trickle charge script?
(can you get to bootloader/fastboot?)
I'm still a little confused what's happening with your phone.
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Ok here's the full detail:
It can enter fastboot, recovery and sometimes it shows the htc logo.
The fastboot .bat charge script works well but only until 3557 mV (weird I know) then it just stops and goes down.
The phone has a custom ROM flashed already, just waiting for the boot.img to start normally.
I can mount the sd-card in recovery which is the latest cwm at the moment, .4 something clockworkmod
Ahm... I replaced the screen since it got broken and it works just as before, so it wasn't the screen (theres no hardware problem that I know except for the non charging battery).
Before this happened the sd card stopped working in the OS randomly making lots of error messages to appear like htc.bgp.com and all those.
Actually the phone charges and gets warm then stops charging at the limit I mentioned before, so I can't flash nothing to it. I've repaired it before when it was able to charge, so I know how to go on from there I just need to charge it beyond 30%
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Ok here's the full detail:
It can enter fastboot, recovery and sometimes it shows the htc logo.
The fastboot .bat charge script works well but only until 3557 mV (weird I know) then it just stops and goes down.
The phone has a custom ROM flashed already, just waiting for the boot.img to start normally.
I can mount the sd-card in recovery which is the latest cwm at the moment, .4 something clockworkmod
Ahm... I replaced the screen since it got broken and it works just as before, so it wasn't the screen (theres no hardware problem that I know except for the non charging battery).
Before this happened the sd card stopped working in the OS randomly making lots of error messages to appear like htc.bgp.com and all those.
Actually the phone charges and gets warm then stops charging at the limit I mentioned before, so I can't flash nothing to it. I've repaired it before when it was able to charge, so I know how to go on from there I just need to charge it beyond 30%
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Hmm, strange - I've only ever heard of the fastboot charging script not charging 'enough' due to someone not using the official htc cable.
Can you confirm your using the official cable?
Also, I thought boot.img flashes needed just 10% including unlocking the bootloader etc.
I thought only RUU installs required 30%
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Also, I thought boot.img flashes needed just 10% including unlocking the bootloader etc.
I thought only RUU installs required 30%
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Good point, I had the battery low error once but I was on about 3% battery at that point
Op have you tried flashing it again after running the charge script?
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Yes is the official cable, the one that came with the phone, in either way wall plugged or usb pc.
Either of the charges to the same spot 3557mV which is not enough to flash it, maybe its like 9.8%, since the last time I flashed something it was 3687mV and it worked just fine, but yeah as you said it won't go past the 10% in this case I was wrong it's not 30% its 10%, thanks for correcting me.
And I've tried also the script, not working =S and just after the script charges I try the flash stuff and always battery low message and the second try its random hex error messages. either x00030000 or x00060000 or something with 8
I may also add... I used to charge the phone sometimes with the powermat device, and it charged perfectly, even faster sometimes than with the original cable.
So I thought that using the powermat cable would work but no luck still.. the device is unlocked, and used to be rooted before flashing it, I think it keeps the root but I don't know. Unlocked it is, it says unlocked in the main screen.
Also I added the red blinking light, it has been like that for almost 2 hours now... I connected it today here at work and it's still the same, no permanent light, I'm using the AC on the work to keep it cool, seems to be working, but dunno the battery status since I don't have fastboot here.
Have you tried charging from within recovery? Instead of fast boot charging
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Oh and btw if you look in the guide written by the last hylian (in general) you'll find a link to download the fast boot files, you only need adb.exe the adb dll whatever it's called and fastboot.exe
Edit:actually sorry you'll need the Android drivers as well forget that lol you already know that process lol
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Have you tried charging from within recovery? Instead of fast boot charging
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Yes I plugged it once in recovery and started charging, but I don't know if there's something limiting the maximum charge, because it was in there for like... 4 hours and still the same result, the red light was solid red there, I placed a fan beside it because it got warm since the screen was on and the phone was plugged, but still it didn't charge.
I thought it was something with the heat, because I heard that when it goes 2 hot it stops charging and turns off.. So that's why I used the fan.
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Yes I plugged it once in recovery and started charging, but I don't know if there's something limiting the maximum charge, because it was in there for like... 4 hours and still the same result, the red light was solid red there, I placed a fan beside it because it got warm since the screen was on and the phone was plugged, but still it didn't charge.
I thought it was something with the heat, because I heard that when it goes 2 hot it stops charging and turns off.. So that's why I used the fan.
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Solid red means charging of course, but I take it you tried flashing boot.img after that 4 hours as well?
When overheating the led should flick green and red, although I'm not sure if it does this in recovery
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Solid red means charging of course, but I take it you tried flashing boot.img after that 4 hours as well?
When overheating the led should flick green and red, although I'm not sure if it does this in recovery
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Yep I tried flashing it and got the same message.
And I've never had the green and red led thing. So it may just not work out the OS.
However the phone won't get a solid red now, it just stays in the recovery window with no led. Dunno if that means something
Wow what a situation.
No led in recovery when using usb, and ac, and powermat?
It's weird, charging should be possible in latest Cwm, maybe try and re flash Cwm?
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lawrence750 said:
Wow what a situation.
No led in recovery when using usb, and ac, and powermat?
It's weird, charging should be possible in latest Cwm, maybe try and re flash Cwm?
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xD it goes even worse... I can't flash anything... low batt
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xD it goes even worse... I can't flash anything... low batt
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I've just looked at the cwm known issues, one is that the led sometimes doesn't light up when charging, but it is charging.
Try again. Keep it charging for an hour or two from ac. Ignore if the led doesn't light up
Plug into usb, do the adb reboot bootloader and try flash the kernel again. If it doesn't let us know. Paste the exact error here as well, might trigger somebody's memory
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I've just looked at the cwm known issues, one is that the led sometimes doesn't light up when charging, but it is charging.
Try again. Keep it charging for an hour or two from ac. Ignore if the led doesn't light up
Plug into usb, do the adb reboot bootloader and try flash the kernel again. If it doesn't let us know. Paste the exact error here as well, might trigger somebody's memory
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Question... the command adb reboot bootloader is in recovery mode right? what does it do exactly?
and then I try to flash the boot.img again in fastboot? or what are the steps? I'm kinda new in here first smartphone I'm flashing so I just know what's in the forums.
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Question... the command adb reboot bootloader is in recovery mode right? what does it do exactly?
and then I try to flash the boot.img again in fastboot? or what are the steps? I'm kinda new in here first smartphone I'm flashing so I just know what's in the forums.
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Adb I think can be used even when booted into android, also works in recovery
When you type adb reboot bootloader you're basically loading adb.exe, and saying to it reboot the connected device, bootloader says what mode to boot into. You could also type adb reboot recovery, and it would boot into recovery (but that's from when booted into android I think). Also, I *think* you could just type adb reboot, and if phone was working correctly it would simply do a normal reboot.
So once it's booted into the bootloader, it'll auto detect its on usb, and go into fastboot usb mode, you'll see that on the hox screen.
Then the fastboot command will load fastboot.exe, and say to it flash the boot (which somehow translates to kernel^_^) with the boot.img you specify
I was new at one point don't worry about it this is my 3rd android phone and I forget these commands all the time lol.
Let me know how it goes (just charge for an hour at least from ac)
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Adb I think can be used even when booted into android, also works in recovery
When you type adb reboot bootloader you're basically loading adb.exe, and saying to it reboot the connected device, bootloader says what mode to boot into. You could also type adb reboot recovery, and it would boot into recovery (but that's from when booted into android I think). Also, I *think* you could just type adb reboot, and if phone was working correctly it would simply do a normal reboot.
So once it's booted into the bootloader, it'll auto detect its on usb, and go into fastboot usb mode, you'll see that on the hox screen.
Then the fastboot command will load fastboot.exe, and say to it flash the boot (which somehow translates to kernel^_^) with the boot.img you specify
I was new at one point don't worry about it this is my 3rd android phone and I forget these commands all the time lol.
Let me know how it goes (just charge for an hour at least from ac)
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Sure I'm letting it charge right now until I go home from work, should be around 3 or 4 more hours. then I will just plug it and check it, hope it helps ^^.
Also, I don't know if it's the battery but some times the power button won't do anything, even the combination power button + vol down. Probably due to the low batt. I hope so at least.
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my One X wont charge for some reason, if you plug it in it says charging, and the charging led goes on and everything, except its the same as if you're not charging it, the battery keeps going down. even turnning it off doesnt work it shows the red led but when you turn it on it didnt charge up at all. any ideas?
You tried restarting? Maybe try reflashing ruu
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if that fails take the phone back and get a new one!
jacobgong said:
my One X wont charge for some reason, if you plug it in it says charging, and the charging led goes on and everything, except its the same as if you're not charging it, the battery keeps going down. even turnning it off doesnt work it shows the red led but when you turn it on it didnt charge up at all. any ideas?
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It needs to be shut off completely. This happened to me. Go into power settings & turn fastboot off. Then boot into bootloader. Select to power off the device. There is an adb shell command you.can use to tell if its charging
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26669252&postcount=811
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as title says. last night I was simply watching a movie when i noticed the handset was very very hot, which is weird as it wasn't doing anything too stressing, i figured id let it cooldown abit, not two seconds after the video stopped, the audio went all messed up. I turned it off manually, and it restarted all normally. it happened again, although it wasn't particularly hot, however this time I did not manually restart it, I figured id wait to see if it sorts itself out. Instead it turned off. And it refuses to power on, charge or even go into boot. No idea, what's wrong.
Running on Leedroid OneXtreme 6.4.
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as title says. last night I was simply watching a movie when i noticed the handset was very very hot, which is weird as it wasn't doing anything too stressing, i figured id let it cooldown abit, not two seconds after the video stopped, the audio went all messed up. I turned it off manually, and it restarted all normally. it happened again, although it wasn't particularly hot, however this time I did not manually restart it, I figured id wait to see if it sorts itself out. Instead it turned off. And it refuses to power on, charge or even go into boot. No idea, what's wrong.
Running on Leedroid OneXtreme 6.4.
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can you go through adb,fastboot...?responds to PC when is on USB???LED lights when is in the charger?
If not, you can not through the PC...no response then.....
Unfortunately your motherboard is dead...
absolutely nothing, no flashing led, nothing when connect to pc/laptop. no response to anything.
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absolutely nothing, no flashing led, nothing when connect to pc/laptop. no response to anything.
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then I'm sure you lost the motherboard...brick your phone...warranty period .... good luck
i have same problem
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i have same problem
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Got that twice with ma HOX...trust me...just plug on wall charger and leave it for a while (30mins or so) and when LED starts to flash, try to boot your device again.
i will try
This is weird but yeah I left in charge for about 12± hours, started flashing about a few mins ago and it's working perfectly. Pretty sure my phone is possessed. So yeah leave it in charge until it flashes.
Btw I'm not doing much, and it's already getting a bit warm, anything I can do to make my phone handle more? Is there a way to under clock this?
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ok i will put in charge from now till next 12 or 13 hours
i hope to fix it
thanks
do a full wipe fastboot erase cache and re flash a rom something is doing something naughty
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mehrshad said:
ok i will put in charge from now till next 12 or 13 hours
i hope to fix it
thanks
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Good luck! Let me know if it starts working, we could have some sort of alternative medicine on our hands here.
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it's in charge about 13 hours
nothing change and it doesn't flashing led
HELP
No idea then, motherboard may be dead if that's how unresponsive it is. If you have warranty send it off for repairs. Can you get into recovery? How about plugging it into a laptop/computer?
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that sounds very bad
Has anyone tried this?
I had the same problem, no warranty because I unlocked it. Got it back, and found this topic.
Note: It can happen you need to try different pc/notebooks before it charges. I had to switch to 3 different pc s.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1658084
Hope this helps.
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its done it again, heated up, now its completely frozen, just gonna have to go through the whole process again. the overheating issues with this phone is ****ed up.
Amicushia said:
Has anyone tried this?
I had the same problem, no warranty because I unlocked it. Got it back, and found this topic.
Note: It can happen you need to try different pc/notebooks before it charges. I had to switch to 3 different pc s.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1658084
Hope this helps.
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Do not talk nonsense, do not lose the warranty if the unlocked bootloader, but this board is dead aniway , nothing can see. Send to the service and solve the problem.
JohnnyBlack10 said:
Do not talk nonsense, do not lose the warranty if the unlocked bootloader, but this board is dead aniway , nothing can see. Send to the service and solve the problem.
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Oh yes it does. I Fixed it with that script after i got it back from HTC.
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First time I need help, and it's a big one and hope it a positive result.
I come from viper 2.1.0
I wiped 3 times everythnig. Installed CM10 v8. then google addons, than entered fastboot and instal boot.img than erased....
Booted into android made preliminary input. started to download files and restored my old apps from google play. Whet to settings than from settings I pulled down status bar.
HOX frozze and than I presed the power button and thas' it.
NOW it does not wake up, even if I put the power cord in no lights go ON, nothing. It's like a BRICK.
Anyone any ideas.
you guys think if I send this to reapir and play stupit that thay will now that i had unlocked bootloader
Hi there.
Erm... It seems like I lost it.
It's rebooting every 2, sometimes 3 to 5 seconds. I can't do anything, and reaching the bootloader doesn't keep it alive. Battery was fine, 70% the last time I saw, less than a hour ago. Putting it in the charger didn't make any difference as well.
I managed to reach "power off" in bootloader, waited a few minutes and tried again, but it didn't work. Also, After I turn it off like this, it only returns to the rebooting state if I connect it to a power source.
Anything I can do?
Now, if I try using volume up or down, It'll just go between the HBOOT - FASTBOOT sets of options, thus I can't reach "POWER OFF" anymore.
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Hi there.
Erm... It seems like I lost it.
It's rebooting every 2, sometimes 3 to 5 seconds. I can't do anything, and reaching the bootloader doesn't keep it alive. Battery was fine, 70% the last time I saw, less than a hour ago. Putting it in the charger didn't make any difference as well.
I managed to reach "power off" in bootloader, waited a few minutes and tried again, but it didn't work. Also, After I turn it off like this, it only returns to the rebooting state if I connect it to a power source.
Anything I can do?
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Plug in phone to PC. Open CMD and navigate to fastboot folder. Type adb reboot-bootloader. Wait a few seconds then type in fastboot erase cache. Worth a try anyways!
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Since adb requires detecting my phone, this obviously do not work.
I really mean "2 seconds". Here is a video of it:
Once it runs out of battery, connecting to the computer might work.
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Since adb requires detecting my phone, this obviously do not work.
I really mean "2 seconds". Here is a video of it:
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this happened to me a while back..reflashing the ruu fixed the problem for me..
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this happened to me a while back..reflashing the ruu fixed the problem for me..
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How did you manage to do it? It worked again or gave you a chance after the battery depleted as apallohadas suggested?
I left it charging for a while on the computer and then flashed the ruu.. u need to have HTC sync installed on ur computer else it wouldnt recognize ur device
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I left it alone rebooting itself until it stopped - seemingly out of battery.
Put it on the computer and it's just rebooting again, like before.
Maybe something oxidated inside?
I can fix it. But only on custom ROMs. Why? Because it's propably boot.img problem. I had it too, when flashed wrong boot.img in Sense ROMs. Try to reflash the RUU.
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VaderSKN said:
I can fix it. But only on custom ROMs. Why? Because it's propably boot.img problem. I had it too, when flashed wrong boot.img in Sense ROMs. Try to reflash the RUU.
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Nope, you clearly didn't see the video and read the issue. If I have only a 3-second time window, and bootloader does NOT work, and nothing manages to make the phone keeps itself on for more than 3 seconds, how can a RUU be flashed, since a computer CAN'T detect it during such primordial boot step?
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I left it alone rebooting itself until it stopped - seemingly out of battery.
Put it on the computer and it's just rebooting again, like before.
Maybe something oxidated inside?
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Ouch. Is there a chance it got wet at some point?
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Ouch. Is there a chance it got wet at some point?
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REALLY improbable, but I'm not discarding the possibility. For me not to notice, it shouldn't have been much at least.
If it happened, it's down, right?
Dunno but might be time to call HTC.
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Since the first ROM I have a strange problem, everytime I turn my One X off, plugin the charger it keeps not only charging but will power up the device to normal mode eventually - i.e. no special charging mode etc. It sometimes takes several hours but in the end it will always be on which is really frustrating.
I've tried different ROMs with different Kernels, I'm now on CM10 nightly - still it powers up magically if I have turned if off before and plug in the charger.
Does anyone else have this problem??? Any suggestions?
Same here
I've got the same issue. Exactly as you described.
I don't have any idea why is it happening - is it a hardware or software issue.
:silly:
It's part of CWM. Flash stock recovery if you don't want this to happen then you'll lose root.
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What is your cwm version? Try upgrading to 5.8.4.0.
Is this on One X only because I never had that on any other device?
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It's part of CWM. Flash stock recovery if you don't want this to happen then you'll lose root.
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eyosen said:
What is your cwm version? Try upgrading to 5.8.4.0.
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Mine is 5.8.4.0.
Can you try reflaehing it? Earlier versions had that problem.
Also, you can try it with twrp to see if that helps.
EDIT. I may have misunderstood guys. Earlier cwms wouldnt let you stay powered down after shutting the phone down. It would turn on even without plugging in.
EDIT2 Turned mine off. Plugged it in. Remains off so far. Will see in the morning. It certainly sounds like cwm problem. Try twrp and see if that helps.
I do already have 5.8.4.0 :-\
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What is your cwm version? Try upgrading to 5.8.4.0.
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my brother have similar error, his device while not charging in deep sleep it going on without touch or move. not rooted everysting stock we try to get in factory reset but that dont help... and we notice that the case is pushing the display somehow when we remove the case device never turn on alone, so do you have any case on your device?
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Since the first ROM I have a strange problem, everytime I turn my One X off, plugin the charger it keeps not only charging but will power up the device to normal mode eventually - i.e. no special charging mode etc. It sometimes takes several hours but in the end it will always be on which is really frustrating.
I've tried different ROMs with different Kernels, I'm now on CM10 nightly - still it powers up magically if I have turned if off before and plug in the charger.
Does anyone else have this problem??? Any suggestions?
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You are not alone, all of us are facing this one, and i think it's pretty normal.
If you drain your battery to zero, and if you start to charge it, one hour after (that's what i've noticed) it'll boot up and it'll show up your lock screen.
This is normal for the HOX?
Im completely stock, un-rooted etc etc.
And when my HOX is off, when I plug the charger in it boots the phone. But then if you switch it off whilst the charger is on, it will not re-boot up.
It still happens, I have reflashed recovery and stuff and it still turns on itself.
I just tried it over night, started with a 41% charge left, turned it off, plugged in the charger and this morning it was turned on. :'(
Hello
I wonder if anyone else is experiencing this?
I've had my hox nearly a year and am running the very excellent venom Rom.
if the battery runs down completely it switches off and the orange power led flashes. Normally I plug it in and when the led goes to constant it will reboot.
In the last week it refuses to charge and will not switch on. Led goes off completely for a while. If I leave it plugged in orange flash may return but still will not boot. Hox gets hot. Sometimes can get into bootloader which reports battery too low to flash.
I can only restart phone by using adb reboot command from PC.
Any advice would be much appreciated
Cheers
Simon
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Go to bootloader and go to recovery. Leave your phone on recovery for charging
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Open up your phone, and find the battery. Charge it directly.
Is it chargable under Recovery?
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does not go to recovery
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Try to erase cache in fastboot and go again to recovery it should go...also don't let the phone anymore shut completely off because of too low battery ...and yes...try the other things...it should work ...and if it sticks in bootanimation next boot leave it there if the phone isn't hot then...if not shut phone in fastboot off via shutdown in fastboot and plug into wallcharger....not laptop or so...if the phone is completely off it should also charge ...not only in recovery...
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Seems a problem caused by a broken recovery, try a solid stable version like CWM 3.6.8.0 or TWRP 2.4.4.0
Recovery is responsible for handling a "phone-off" charge, and recovery is checked everytime your phone boots thats why your phone could be having this problems.
If this doesn't fix the problem, then you probably have bad hardware, but I don't think so.
Seeing as your battery is too low to flash a new recovery try the script mentioned here to charge it up.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40541869&postcount=2