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I dont know if this got discussed already, but I just used the force 2d acceleration feature in the developer menu and hat a GREAT increase in perfomance, specialy in image heavy applications.
If you dont know this already test it, if you know it let us know
Some feedback on battery perfomance somebody?
You'll find some apps don't work too good with it enabled though.
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If you use any type of comic book reader, you will be happy by turning on 2d acceleration. went from horrible 2fps choppy crap to buttery smooth.
Daxten said:
I dont know if this got discussed already, but I just used the force 2d acceleration feature in the developer menu and hat a GREAT increase in perfomance, specialy in image heavy applications.
If you dont know this already test it, if you know it let us know
Some feedback on battery perfomance somebody?
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bah seriously.. someone needs to write up a sticky for this kind of thing. Developer Options are not meant for regular users. There's no reason to enable them unless you specifically need to.
A few reasons why you don't want to enable it
- some apps don't handle this well and will result in everything from poor performance, weird graphical glitches, or even stop the app from loading at all
- there is actually considerable memory overhead to GPU acceleration (8MB vs 2MB). So you're really just making your multi-tasking situation worse.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1877183
so yeah, is it just a load of crap or does it actually work?
If you are on ICS you can make a nandroid backup and try it
I saw this today as well not sure whether to try it. Isn't it the same or similar to what we can choose in developers options to force GPU rendering? Maybe will try later when I have time as I cant complain with the speed that I'm getting from nikez jb p0.9
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I am specifically wondering how will it work with gingerbread roms. I mean, it must be some kind of BS right? There's no way to force GPU rendering for UI in gingerbread, is there?
Joke of the day... classic!
Works on Mildwild 4.3. I don't have a launcher redraw anymore And it's not GPU rendering, it just removes the pathway to render on the CPU so the GPU does the graphics stuff
Works on Mildwild 4.3. I don't have a launcher redraw anymore And it's not GPU rendering, it just removes the pathway to render on the CPU so the GPU does the graphics stuff
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Basically everyone should be getting a placebo affect, i personally havent seen anyone provide evidence such as benchmarking surfaceflinger to prove the ui is smoother. The manufacturers by default select the gpu to render the ui which has a 0 1 on adreno200 and 0 0 on android thus its hw accelerated and not software accelerated
So what does that really do anyway ? Anyone notices really anything?
I don't trust benchmarks, they show incredibly inaccurate results (at least Antutu and Quadrant). Try run it twice on the same rom, one right next to another.
Well, no use from benchmark apps, but I tried it on MIUI rom with high resolution graphics settings for launcher. I definitely had lags issue with it without patch, especially with cube 3d screen transition effect. Now with it no lags at all, and I'm sure it's not a placebo.
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So what does that really do anyway ? Anyone notices really anything?
I don't trust benchmarks, they show incredibly inaccurate results (at least Antutu and Quadrant). Try run it twice on the same rom, one right next to another.
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Lol im not talking about regular benchmarking
I tried it with rom in signature and confirm that UI is smoother and also app like Facebook seems faster, like author is reporting in original thread.
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Well I did actually just test it and it's obviously a load of crap and a waste of time. Can't believe I ACTUALLY was stupid enough to think that it'd work.
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Well I did actually just test it and it's obviously a load of crap and a waste of time. Can't believe I ACTUALLY was stupid enough to think that it'd work.
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I don't think it's useless or stupid.... either 99% are having a placebo reaction with noticeable effects.. or they are having a reaction to a noticeable difference on their equipments.. I was also skeptic that would do anything.. I can't tell you what it is, but I do notice some differences.
I would say it works - somehow.
I use it on SpazeDogs ICS ROM and it gives a subjective performance boost - by feeling i wouldnt say that the FPS increased or something like that. But it feels smoother. Would call it "Project Butter light"
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I would say it works - somehow.
I use it on SpazeDogs ICS ROM and it gives a subjective performance boost - by feeling i wouldnt say that the FPS increased or something like that. But it feels smoother. Would call it "Project Butter light"
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Lol!
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Is it safe to run this script?
i mean it wont damage the phone in anyway like overclocking it?
Also where can i get hold on Playstation one covers so i can convert my games using psxperia!
what exaxcly does Software rendering and Hardware rendering mean, are they two different things as it only mentions how to Software render and not Hardware render
How can you hardware render?
https://github.com/yifanlu/PSXperia/wiki/Software-Rendering
I don't know. Its best not to temp with things u r unfamiliar with. Search for more info instead of asking here. U'll learn more. Honestly.
The supercharger script doesn't modify any hardware settings (like CPU frequency and stuff), so it should be pretty safe.
As for the differences between hardware rendering and software rendering, hardware rendering means that the image is directly generated by the GPU, and software rendering means that the GPU functions are instead coded to work on the CPU (resulting in more compatibility, but less performance).
thanks for your advice, there's a first time for everything, aslong as it's safe now it's running, i wouldnt attempt to overclock due to the lifespan drain.
Just read on Android Central about a app that decreases lag on phones. So I decided to check it out and it do seem to increase responsiveness. I recommend that guys check it out....Just search lag fix in the play store. Let me know what you think.
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I don't think lag should be much of an issue on our phones
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Just read on Android Central about a app that decreases lag on phones. So I decided to check it out and it do seem to increase responsiveness. I recommend that guys check it out....Just search lag fix in the play store. Let me know what you think.
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What lag? :good:
As much as I would love to say lag isn't an issue it really is when listening to music or pod casts or how loading a file/app or using navigation..it's not much but it is there especially when you pull the notification shade down and look at the bouncy toggles..either way, ,this app doesn't do diddley squat so it's probably a programing issue.
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I tried it too. It seems to make a solid difference, and combined with Seeder, my Note and my Transformer Prime are both running smoother than ever.
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I tried it too. It seems to make a solid difference, and combined with Seeder, my Note and my Transformer Prime are both running smoother than ever.
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I agree. it seems to make things a bit more responsive.
anyone know how it does this?
-Wizzle
I do notice in and out of lockscreen is faster and also using the home button is quicker
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Lag...
I have read a lot on the lag seen in Android as compared to something like iOS specifically. There is lag and there will always be more lag seen in Android as apposed to iOS, due to how the OS was designed, and priorities of certain system functions. iOS gives full priority over any other process to the GUI functionality, which gives iOS a major smooth GUI (so what right??). Android gives priority to other processes, and the GUI falls near the end, I don't think it even gives a priority other than the standard Linux process priority, so the GUI appears to have lag at times, especially if something else has priority over the GUI.
Personally, I feel it was done this way for many reasons, to include helping with battery life on a Linux based system. On my Note 2, I feel there is lag where there should not be, but it does not bother me like it may others. If you have a iPhagot standing next to you, they will always point it out. We are running quad core processors that should not have lag as the power is there, however, because of the priority of the GUI being lower than many other Android system services, we see it here and there.
As far as this program... I believe it is doing some CPU governor tweaking, possibly even freezing programs on sleep. I have seen some programs that trim what the vm's can use for memory as well, so I wonder if this could be part of it. Could simply be disabling certain GUI functions which allows the GUI to appear faster. There are tricks in this forum that show you how to disable some lockscreen functions which allows wake time to be almost zero, but I like the lockscreen functions, so I can deal with the sub second lag... who cares really you know?
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I have read a lot on the lag seen in Android as compared to something like iOS specifically. There is lag and there will always be more lag seen in Android as apposed to iOS, due to how the OS was designed, and priorities of certain system functions. iOS gives full priority over any other process to the GUI functionality, which gives iOS a major smooth GUI (so what right??). Android gives priority to other processes, and the GUI falls near the end, I don't think it even gives a priority other than the standard Linux process priority, so the GUI appears to have lag at times, especially if something else has priority over the GUI.
Personally, I feel it was done this way for many reasons, to include helping with battery life on a Linux based system. On my Note 2, I feel there is lag where there should not be, but it does not bother me like it may others. If you have a iPhagot standing next to you, they will always point it out. We are running quad core processors that should not have lag as the power is there, however, because of the priority of the GUI being lower than many other Android system services, we see it here and there.
As far as this program... I believe it is doing some CPU governor tweaking, possibly even freezing programs on sleep. I have seen some programs that trim what the vm's can use for memory as well, so I wonder if this could be part of it. Could simply be disabling certain GUI functions which allows the GUI to appear faster. There are tricks in this forum that show you how to disable some lockscreen functions which allows wake time to be almost zero, but I like the lockscreen functions, so I can deal with the sub second lag... who cares really you know?
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This is all incorrect tripe.
Then would you care to share your infinite wisdom? I fail to see a problem with his logic, but if there is I'd love to hear the real explanation
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Nicgraner said:
Then would you care to share your infinite wisdom? I fail to see a problem with his logic, but if there is I'd love to hear the real explanation
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while the gui priority lag theory is true, this is not what lag free is doing..
If you download the app you see that it works with fstrim. Some sort of memory trimming utility that helps the os make faster decisions cause it trims the fat.
im not sure all the technical details but when you download it it gives you a brief description.
-Wizzle
I think any lag that anyone experiences is mostly caused by tw launcher. I use nova and have all settings set to faster than light. I have zero lag. I can max out my cpu and force lag but for the most part it is non existent.
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Just flashed a new ROM today (OneOfAKindV11 by ipromeh) and gaming works really smooth even when its clocked at 1.6GHz... I heard Disabling CPU Rendering will make gaming more faster... Last time, when i tried it, game lags alot and overall performance is bad...
Can anyone tell me if the tweak is good or not?
Maybe it's good disabling CPU Rendering on newest CPU with newest GPU...But our GPU needs an additional support from the CPU
So its not good to disable it even with cm10 alpha 7? Just leave it as is?
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Disabling CPU rendering diables the CPU rendering for the User Interface and forces the GPU to do it. So it affects the launcher, browser and scrolling but not games. For JB it´s not needed because of project butter which makes it already smooth.
JB also dosen´t use the exact same drivers like ICS, so what gives you a performance boost in CM9 doesn´t have to do the same in CM10.
I install seeder for disable CPU rendering... But I have problem with flash when I see flash video (ex: youtube)...
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I install seeder for disable CPU rendering... But I have problem with flash when I see flash video (ex: youtube)...
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That´s interessting.... does the problem disappear if you re-enable CPU rendering? Also are you using CM9 or CM10?
For me there is no problem in watching youtube after disabling CPU rendering in CM9, but must agree that in both ROMs some flash videos are not displayed correctly. This is more related to the GPU drivers in CM9 and CM10 and the missing flash support in ICS and JB.
There are sites where the flash videos are not displayed correctly in CM9 and CM10, no matter you disable CPU rendering or not, but at least youtube is working well in CM9 after disabling CPU rendering. Can´t tell how about CM10, but CM10 needs both for project butter to work.
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That´s interessting.... does the problem disappear if you re-enable CPU rendering? Also are you using CM9 or CM10?
For me there is no problem in watching youtube after disabling CPU rendering in CM9, but must agree that in both ROMs some flash videos are not displayed correctly. This is more related to the GPU drivers in CM9 and CM10 and the missing flash support in ICS and JB.
There are sites where the flash videos are not displayed correctly in CM9 and CM10, no matter you disable CPU rendering or not, but at least youtube is working well in CM9 after disabling CPU rendering. Can´t tell how about CM10, but CM10 needs both for project butter to work.
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I running CM10. And I was disable it, but I can't find the different.
Thanks for help me.
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I install seeder for disable CPU rendering... But I have problem with flash when I see flash video (ex: youtube)...
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Seeder is *NOT* for disabling CPU rendering.
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Seeder is *NOT* for disabling CPU rendering.
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True dat...
Too much flashing! I'm blinded on my Galaxy W!
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Seeder is *NOT* for disabling CPU rendering.
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Ohhh. Thanks for clarify this. Never dealed with seeder so am not aware atm what it is for.
So if someone is saying it disabled CPU rendering as well, I take this information as to be true.
@arya_ruby: Your postings are very irritating. In the one hand your a claiming seeders is disabling CPU rendering and this is causing problems with youtube, in the other hand you are saying you disabled it but can´t (find?) (or see) a difference.
So what?
First you should inform what seeder is for and what´s doing on your phone before making conflicting claims.
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Ohhh. Thanks for clarify this. Never dealed with seeder so am not aware atm what it is for.
So if someone is saying it disabled CPU rendering as well, I take this information as to be true.
@arya_ruby: Your postings are very irritating. In the one hand your a claiming seeders is disabling CPU rendering and this is causing problems with youtube, in the other hand you are saying you disabled it but can´t (find?) (or see) a difference.
So what?
First you should inform what seeder is for and what´s doing on your phone before making conflicting claims.
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Since I was slightly involved in the development of Seeder, let me give some information:
Seeder's purpose is to quickly fill up the entropy pool used by /dev/random and /dev/urandom. If this pool gets empty, lags will happen as the kernel interrupts things (including, blocking multithreading temporarily) to fill up the pool. With Seeder running, it periodically fills up the pool to prevent it from ever draining completely.
Some people swear that installing Seeder makes their phones run smoother, because the kernel never has to trigger 'urgent refilling', which as I mentioned before, temporarily disables multithreading.
However, things learnt during the (sometimes heated) discussion about how Seeder does its magic, undoubtedly have trickled down to kernel makers; many have identified the possible bottlenecks where lags happen, and many actively took steps to prevent such situation from happening. Thus, as time goes by, the improvement Seeder brought originally gets less and less significant, even to the point that it's no longer perceptible.
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pepoluan said:
Since I was slightly involved in the development of Seeder, let me give some information:
Seeder's purpose is to quickly fill up the entropy pool used by /dev/random and /dev/urandom. If this pool gets empty, lags will happen as the kernel interrupts things (including, blocking multithreading temporarily) to fill up the pool. With Seeder running, it periodically fills up the pool to prevent it from ever draining completely.
Some people swear that installing Seeder makes their phones run smoother, because the kernel never has to trigger 'urgent refilling', which as I mentioned before, temporarily disables multithreading.
However, things learnt during the (sometimes heated) discussion about how Seeder does its magic, undoubtedly have trickled down to kernel makers; many have identified the possible bottlenecks where lags happen, and many actively took steps to prevent such situation from happening. Thus, as time goes by, the improvement Seeder brought originally gets less and less significant, even to the point that it's no longer perceptible.
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Sadly, some using Seeders... Some use crossbreeder... Its the same rite?
Too much flashing! I'm blinded on my Galaxy W!
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Sadly, some using Seeders... Some use crossbreeder... Its the same rite?
Too much flashing! I'm blinded on my Galaxy W!
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Kinda similar...
Seeder uses rngd, which uses a PRNG.
Crossbreeder uses haveged, which uses a CSPRNG based on a multitude of CPU counters.
From a security point of view, haveged is more secure than rngd. But I can find no way to tune haveged's parameters, so I can't be sure that it won't be triggered at inopportune times.
rngd, OTOH, is much more tunable; the flashable-zip available in the Seeder thread has been tuned by me and @ryuinferno to be less intrusive.
(Just in case anyone is wondering: we had tuned rngd's nice value so it yields to higher-priority processes, tuned its cycle period so that it won't get triggered too frequently, tuned its 'high watermark' to make it return faster, and so on).
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Kinda similar...
Seeder uses rngd, which uses a PRNG.
Crossbreeder uses haveged, which uses a CSPRNG based on a multitude of CPU counters.
From a security point of view, haveged is more secure than rngd. But I can find no way to tune haveged's parameters, so I can't be sure that it won't be triggered at inopportune times.
rngd, OTOH, is much more tunable; the flashable-zip available in the Seeder thread has been tuned by me and @ryuinferno to be less intrusive.
(Just in case anyone is wondering: we had tuned rngd's nice value so it yields to higher-priority processes, tuned its cycle period so that it won't get triggered too frequently, tuned its 'high watermark' to make it return faster, and so on).
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But Seeders will Conflict with Crossbreeder rite? I thought its 2 separate tweaks so that we can use both and have NO lags at all ^~^
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But Seeders will Conflict with Crossbreeder rite? I thought its 2 separate tweaks so that we can use both and have NO lags at all ^~^
Too much flashing! I'm blinded on my Galaxy W!
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Not conflict, but since both will fill the same entropy pool, why install both and consume valuable RAM and CPU cycles?
There are *no* other purpose of rngd and haveged.
That said, Crossbreeder is not just haveged; there are other tunings that Crossbreeder does in addition to haveged.
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