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Running Laucher Pro, should I ditch HTC Sense?

Ever since I found Launcher Pro I've never used anything else.
I'm running SkyRaider 3.5 (which is HTC Sense) and I'm wondering if I should go to an AOSP ROM like CM7.
I'm wondering:
> Will it be faster than current setup?
> Will it be better on battery than current setup?
Let me know, thanks.

Battery and speed will improve depending on which kernal you use. The main advantage to using a AOSP ROM for me was better bluetooth support. I can't use wii controlers with my emulators using Sense but I can if I use a non-Sense ROM like CM6 or CM7. Shows you what I look for in a ROM doesn't it.

Doesn't Skyraider offer a senseless version of the Skyraider ROM?

POQbum said:
Ever since I found Launcher Pro I've never used anything else.
I'm running SkyRaider 3.5 (which is HTC Sense) and I'm wondering if I should go to an AOSP ROM like CM7.
I'm wondering:
> Will it be faster than current setup?
> Will it be better on battery than current setup?
Let me know, thanks.
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Speed will depend, more likely than not it will be a bit speedier and better on battery IMO. I have been running CM7 with the Savaged-Zen kernel and i got over a day and a half out of it, that with setcpu at 128/1113 with smartass governor.

I used to stick with Sense based ROMS because they where just so smooth and stable, but now im with AOSP ROMS like CM7 and a few others. I use launcher pro and its awesome. The customization of AOSP ROMS are pretty much endless, and they give you a cleaned up Android. Id give it a try, just make a back up of SkyRaider then download the latest CM7 RC.

@OP
I was in your shoes about a week after using the phone after I bought it.
Went AOSP and haven't gone back except for the occasional, lets see if somehow the grass somehow decided to paint itself greener and became super plants.
I recommend AOSP completely. It's alot more of a streamlined android experience, and IMO lets you really customize the OS to work for you, rather than having to work with sense.
Not saying sense is bad or anything, it's my favorite non stock rom, but AOSP is just above and beyond for me.
Although incredibly re-engineered had me off AOSP for about 3 days before switching back

smtom said:
Doesn't Skyraider offer a senseless version of the Skyraider ROM?
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Senseless is still Sense framework, which lacks the advantages of a true AOSP ROM. The advantage to Senseless is a vanilla interface, but the stability of the Sense framework.

Thanks for the input!
Will be switching to an ASOP ROM sometime tonight.

For me unfortunately, the lack of decent widgets keeps forcing me back to the new desire z based sense roms. Too many additional features in sense. Wish there were good equivalent aosp widgets for what you can get from htc in the hd/z/mt4g/inc s roms...
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POQbum said:
Thanks for the input!
Will be switching to an ASOP ROM sometime tonight.
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I don't know if you wanna jump in head first or not but, I'm really enjoying the new Cyanogenmod 7 RC1 right now. Another great is MIUI. They're both great on battery life and they're both highly customizable. But they are a big change from sense- especially MIUI. And, obviously, CM7 is a release candidate so it isn't perfect (although damn close.) Whether you jump on them now or later, once you've gotten your feet wet, you should check em both out some time.
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Smabbage said:
Battery and speed will improve depending on which kernal you use.
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That's false. I have never gotten the battery life from an AOSP rom that I have from an optimized Sense rom. I've used almost every kernel for both types of roms. There are quite a few people that actually complain about CM battery life. As far as speed its like the butt dyno, just saying your phone feels faster is all perception. There are people that say the optimized Sense roms are the fastest and some say the AOSP are the fastest. Try what you like and use it. The real differences is in the interface. Bluetooth is definitely better supported on CM.

I found my best battery life AND speed were with Ruby ROM 2.0.2 with Launcherpro. Cyanogenmod 6 is good too but had tons of features I didn't use. Invisiblek kernels are a great addition to AOSP ROMs.
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I've been running MIUI 1.1.26 with invisablek #28 for a while now, w/o setcpu and while I wouldn't say it's the fastest combo (not that it's slow) its is the most stable my phone has been since I switched from Virtuos using stock kernel.
After setting up invisablek #28 and wiping battery stats it did take a few days of crappy battery life until it started to kick butt. I can get thru a 10 hour work day of moderate web surfing and constant music playing and still have at least 20% battery left. And if I run with the 2150mah extended battery forget about it.
I would definately recommend giving MIUI and invisablek #28 kernel a try. It has the faster charging the stock kernel has and runs smooth and stable. The launched takes a bit to get used to but you can always run launcher pro over it. Tried that but I love the MIUI launched too much.

Thats my issue with the CM line, it has tons of features I dont use (which could be flashable) and includes way too many localizations. I must admit I forgot about Ruby, it was the best in terms of speed. No lag, no hesitation, smooth as butter.

Launcher Pro doesn't extend any battery life on any ROM I have used it just a different launcher but one of the best ones I have used so far.

If you aren't attached to the Sense experience, the don't even hesitate to try out different ROMs. I gave up on Sense after a month of purchasing the Dinc, tried out CM6, tried out MIUI, and now I've been "crackflashing" CM7 since January. A lot of people are experiencing really good battery life. Can't say so for myself since the Dinc is my main computer, but I would certainly say that it is the fastest ROM I've tried.
Do a nandroid backup. Try out a bunch of new setups. Restore the nandroid if you aren't happy. Simple as that--when you're rooted you can do a lot with these devices.

nfiniti9 said:
There are people that say the optimized Sense roms are the fastest and some say the AOSP are the fastest.
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I will say that CM's GPU performance is better than that of the Incredible's on 2.2. My guess is that this is due to CM's release using more recent drivers for the Adreno 200. I've tested this with both benchmarks and games.
On Sims 3, owning the largest house makes panning/zooming is a virtual crawl on stock Sense, even with a good custom kernel. On CM7, it's playable, a huge difference. Quadrant advances/profession GPU score (not the worthless combined score) is nearly 150 points different. To give a perspective, it's 280 to 410 on average, which is a huge jump.

Best AOSP Rom

I've been looking at new roms recently. Currently I'm on redemptive rEVOlution, the senseless version with launcher pro. Any recommendations on what the best roms out there are right now? It doesn't have to be aosp likle CM7 or whatever, I'm just looking for one of the speediest and most stable roms out there.

Gonna have to go with CM.

CM yeah, but which one? Is there a specific nightly build, a final version, release candidate that I should be looking for?

CM 7.0 is stable, but 7.1 is in RC right now so it's pretty good. CyanogenMod has a lot of nice little addons that become hard to live without, like quiet hours or the pull down toggles. Other roms have incorporated some of these things, but not necessarily all of them.
I'm running CyanogenMod 7.1 nightly 129 right now and it is running great. I haven't found another ROM that works 100% like Cyanogen, although I haven't tried anything Froyo on the Incredible.
Back on the Eris we had a few guys that would take the latest CM nightly and apply all sorts of little fixes and kernels and tweaks. Even though the Incredible is an official CM release, it would be nice if we had something like this here too.

definitely check out miui... It is really stable, smooth, has great battery life and lots of good features..

I am a big fan of OMFGB. The nightlies out now for 1.3 are very stable. It's 2.3.4 and the devs threw in a small twist for customization options but its very close to stock. It was good enough to switch me off of my sense based rom just because I am a big time optimization junkie. CM7 just did not appease me.

MIUI is, in my opinion, the best of all i've tried so far. i flashed every nightly from cyanogen up to around 100, then tried MIUI. and haven't even thought of going back. it's that good! my battery life went up, way up. you can customize it to your wit's end, and there's still room for more. so CM, or MIUI, you cannot go wrong. use the dual boot app that's floating around here, and you can have them both, basically..

Definitely quite happy with MIUI.
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+ another 1 for MIUI. Customization City!

I have found the CM7.1, RC1 and MIUI are the most stable and have very good battery life with juice defender and Chad's incredikernel. I also like OMFGB and Evervolv roms, but the battery life was not as good. I use them all with DualRom X2. I think in the end, it is a matter of personal preference.

OMFGB hands down. no senseless menu digging for clock speeds, no unstability (for me) nand amazing battery life undervolted on chads betas

The MIUI Pure English ROM is hands down the best one, I have tried many Roms from froyo and sense but none hold a candle to the MIUI. There are so many things to customize, battery life is excellent and so far no force close, lags or shutdowns. Provided is a link to the thread, check it out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sho...m.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1117981

So far I have had the best luck with CM7, have yet to find anything else with as much customizability, speed, and battery life build into one package.

ryancoryj said:
The MIUI Pure English ROM is hands down the best one, I have tried many Roms from froyo and sense but none hold a candle to the MIUI. There are so many things to customize, battery life is excellent and so far no force close, lags or shutdowns. Provided is a link to the thread, check it out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sho...m.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1117981
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+1, i even got the 3. 0 lockscreen an windows keyboard. Its way customizable!
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I loved the rEVo roms, but alas I have settled on CM7 as well. Can't speak for the MIUI roms haven't tried them. CM roms are usually up to date, and problems are addressed very quickly. I'm a big fan of Sense, but unfortunatley I have yet to find one that works well with the new versions.

Miui all the way

MIUI is the best thing that ever happend to my incredible

MIUI is nice, it really is but its interface is soo different. its as if an iphone and an incredible had an illegitamate child and it was raised by htc sense. its really a stock vs features argument there.

I would say ultimate droid, but development has stopped because the dev was affected by storms, so I'll have to say omfgb.
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looks as though, according to THIS thread, MIUI is the most popular. and yeah, i may be a little biased...

CM7 v/s Miui

Hey ppl.. I just got the defy.. And am confused what to flash.. The famous cm7 or the much heard of miui rom??
Which one is better.. Basically in terms of performance speed and battery???
Take ur sides
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though i have no experience in miui, i would say they are basically the same, cuz miui (for defy) is based on quarxs (the dev. of the cm7 port for defy) old sources, and they are both based on the same kernel... and battery life depends almost entirely on apps you use, so the range batteries can perform on a specific rom varies a lot... so it all comes down to which one you like better

^^^ FIRST OF ALL you should use or at least get look of both roms before making any comment on this...
well I have used both,n now settled for WakjMIUI for more refined look(iphonish) n feel on other side cm7 has better performance(for games I guess) n features, on battery front & in my case cm7 & miui(plain) didnt last for 12hrs but after WakjMIUI 1.7.22 my battery lasts for 1.5 days, I would love to give a try to quarx's next cm7 update for few exciting features i.e. touch to focus etc.
IN SHORT its up to your taste..... but try both!!!

Well.. CM7 is a bit snappier, you could tweak more, disable more of the eyecandy, ect.
Battery life.. depends. Atm I would say, CM7 is worse, but I guess that will change after RC2.
MIUI on the other hand is here and there a little choppy, but it's not too bad. With heavy calling and texting, occasional gaming and browsing, battery lasts about zwo days for me. But it definitively looks a LOT better, and the most important for me, everything is SO seamlessly integrated. Feels really iPhone-ish, with the benefits of Android. In CM7, all the apps are barely matching each other and put together.. well, with not really having looks in mind.
So, try both and choose if looks or customizability and general performance is more important to you.

Just try both and check which one you like better. There's basically stock 2.2, leaked 2.3, Cyanogenmod and MIUI. Spend a few days using all of them.

thanks for the suggestions guys.. i tried both.. cm7 was soo dull and boring all apps dont even match each other.. so switched to miui.. and boy.. what a rom.. though it is too iphonish i think im starting to like it
just that the guys there should make the scrolling more smooth
oc'ed at 1ghz and defy runs all smooth
no bugs..(for the things that i use)
okay battery life.. abt 20 hrs.. moderate-heavy use

cm7, but here I have the wifi bug, so, Im going to try the miui

[Q] E4GT 3.0 vs E4GT 2 1.4

Im debating between these two roms they are almost identical. one is just ics and the other gb. does anyone have any suggestions? which has better battery life, signal, smoothness, any input is valid here guys.

Sounds like you should go for the gb build. Gb is incredible battery, signal, performance. While ics is not bad it is noticeably worse. Advantages of pics are being able to use launchers which resemble aosp ics launcher (trebuchet, apex, Nova) and the general swagginess that ics has
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I was running E4GT 2 1.4 ICS for a day and I was getting random resets even after a full wipe. The resets were quick and most of the time I didnt even know my phone reset. I actually prefer the E4GT 3.0 even though it was GB, it seems a lot faster and more stable than the ICS build, esp with the modems being updated lightning fast for both builds, but nothing is really too much different appearance-wise between the two. Both have hotspot hacks, which is amazing and both a tweaked for speed and battery life.

soccerboarder43 said:
Im debating between these two roms they are almost identical. one is just ics and the other gb. does anyone have any suggestions? which has better battery life, signal, smoothness, any input is valid here guys.
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if you wanna be cool and be like the rest of use you can try out AOKP build 32 (ICS ROM) while the battery life isnt as good as GB its still awesome.
Or you could try a GB rom like blazer 4.0 with incredible battery life and use nova launcher which resembles ics launcher.

I would recommend using a Gingerbread based rom to begin with.
They are far more stable overall.
Additionally, the ICS based roms are not something to play with if you're just starting out. There are lots of posts here in the Q&A about ICS bricked phones.
This is a must read:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1525495

Yea im definately not just starting out and have followed the ops very carefully im very greatful i havent bricked this phone yet seeing as how i have over carelessness with my past 3 phones lol (evo shift, optimus s, moment) but im loving this phone emmensely and with the processor this thing has you rarely ever see a lag. and beat the crap outta battery life i had with past phones. im on E4GT 3.0 right now no complaints whatsoever. i miss ics tho lol thanks for all the input guys

Upon following the suggestions of someone commenting in the forum, I flashed 2.8.1 and have not had any major problems. I tried the 3.0 and had issues. I forgot what they were but 2.8.1 with fd19 modem and no frills CPU control set to 200 1200 cfq set at boot, it had been very stable for me.
Right after you flash it and boot into system, you probably will not be able to choose which launcher initially. Its a simple fix. Hit the power button to turn off the screen, wait a few seconds, then hit power again to waffle up screen. You might have to do this a few times before it let's you select anything. I download stock gingerbread launcher from modaco and use that.

AOSP JELLY or CM10 JELLY

Which do you prefer and why. I Basically want the pro's and con's. I know CM10 is not meant for our phones, heck even CM9 for that matter. So im curious... whats your flavor.
How long have you been using JB (either one) and what's your battery like. Or how did you make it better.
What modem works for you and why.
Let's see some screenshots of your battery.

Its not that its not meant for our phones but not officially supported
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Correct. But it does work better on other phones. But you are correct thanks for correcting me.

I am a big CM fan and after using the alphas I strayed and lived on the Unofficial CM9 nightlies for a while. I found those very smooth, but had sub-par battery.
After jumping back to GB for a month or so, I have played with both CM10 and JB AOSP. As expected, CM10 has more customization options while AOSP is very lean. Performance is very similar between the two as there has been a lot of collaboration between the devs and functionality is continually improving VERY fast with each update.
That being said, the only thing I miss on either ROM is bluetooth for media. Everything else that I use is working without issue. Some have reported LOS, but I have not experienced it with a clean data wipe and fresh install. I am still holding on to the EL29 modem, but considering trying a couple of the newer releases.
As for my preference, I am using JB AOSP as my DD at this point because I have experienced VERY good battery life with practical use CM10 seemed to drain a little faster, but it is coming along quite nicely IMO. Moving from Calks GB 3.0 to the JB ROMS lately has not been a dramatic transition in terms of battery and that is saying something.
I hope that is what you were looking for. Either way, IMO you can't go wrong test driving both and seeing which one does it for you.
Edit 1 (AOSP Alpha 5): Bluetooth media has been working since Alpha 4 and it is very stable. With Alpha 5, the screen transition from portrait to landscape (and back) is more responsive as it has been a little slow in the previous builds. This is a very nice build. The battery issue seems to be that the phone does not charge completely but shows 99-100% when disconnecting from the charger. Sbrissen has noted a potential battery fix on Alpha 5. I have not had it long enough to report anything at this point.

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I am a big CM fan and after using the alphas I strayed and lived on the Unofficial CM9 nightlies for a while. I found those very smooth, but had sub-par battery.
After jumping back to GB for a month or so, I have played with both CM10 and JB AOSP. As expected, CM10 has more customization options while AOSP is very lean. Performance is very similar between the two as there has been a lot of collaboration between the devs and functionality is continually improving VERY fast with each update.
That being said, the only thing I miss on either ROM is bluetooth for media. Everything else that I use is working without issue. Some have reported LOS, but I have not experienced it with a clean data wipe and fresh install. I am still holding on to the EL29 modem, but considering trying a couple of the newer releases.
As for my preference, I am using JB AOSP as my DD at this point because I have experience VERY good battery life with practical use CM10 seemed to drain a little faster, but it is coming along quite nicely IMO. Moving from Calks GB 3.0 to the JB ROMS lately has not been a dramatic transition in terms of battery and that is saying something.
I hope that is what you were looking for. Either way, IMO you can't go wrong test driving both and seeing which one does it for you.
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That's exactly what I was looking for thank you sir.

Jelly bean running smoothly
I'm running Sbrissens aosp alpha 3 and its smooth sailing with no known issues so far! Also think its a DD for me,battery is not melting my phone like previous builds.

jamesissocool said:
I am a big CM fan and after using the alphas I strayed and lived on the Unofficial CM9 nightlies for a while. I found those very smooth, but had sub-par battery.
After jumping back to GB for a month or so, I have played with both CM10 and JB AOSP. As expected, CM10 has more customization options while AOSP is very lean. Performance is very similar between the two as there has been a lot of collaboration between the devs and functionality is continually improving VERY fast with each update.
That being said, the only thing I miss on either ROM is bluetooth for media. Everything else that I use is working without issue. Some have reported LOS, but I have not experienced it with a clean data wipe and fresh install. I am still holding on to the EL29 modem, but considering trying a couple of the newer releases.
As for my preference, I am using JB AOSP as my DD at this point because I have experience VERY good battery life with practical use CM10 seemed to drain a little faster, but it is coming along quite nicely IMO. Moving from Calks GB 3.0 to the JB ROMS lately has not been a dramatic transition in terms of battery and that is saying something.
I hope that is what you were looking for. Either way, IMO you can't go wrong test driving both and seeing which one does it for you.
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I've been waiting for a post like this since Sbrissen released the ROM. Think I shall finally give it a go and see how it runs.

cm10 ftw.
after using cm you'll find it hard to go back to anything else! (unless its aokp)
there is just endless customization options..

cm10 may have more features for me aosp is a lil better far as battery and smoothness i ran both for a lil over a day aosp is the winner

Check out SB's AOSP Alpha 3. All the reviews say it is coming along nicely (almost Beta)
I tried it back when it was private, and it was amazing (other than LOS, which he seemed to have fixed)
So I'm installing it again now.

CM10 vs. AOSP
Well, for me CM does the trick. And when I got the EpTouch and found out it was not supported by CM, I was heartbroken. The Epic Touch is such a wonderful device with its screen, and CPU power; granted there are a number of devices currently better than this phone.
I think CM is a better choice just for how well they support development. I have never had an AOSP ROM before, but I enjoyed being able to boot into recovery from hitting the power button. I even enjoyed playing with a few of the CM settings in the phone.
AOSP is just pure, 100% Android, and is great if that is what you want. But, I still want a little suprises here and there.

Cm is very stable for the epic. They are quite close to official I would say.
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Nice post, guys. I'm gonna flash cm10 now. Haha.:victory:

What is the best way to go to AOSP from EL29 GB? And of get back to GB if needed?
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What is the best way to go to AOSP from EL29 GB? And of get back to GB if needed?
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Use el26 cwm and wipe everything. To go back just use one click.

Well I was running the AOSP build and loved it with the exception that WiFi tether won't work. Can anyone confirm it works on cm10 before I go through the trouble of flashing?

From what I read, Wifi tether is not working on Jellybean right now and have been running CM10 Alpha 4 for over 12 hours now. Let your Rom settle. It takes time to set your accounts back up with syncing and will drain your battery the first cycle. The first battery cycle had 3 hours. I left it off and let it charge over night. I have now had it off the charger for an hour and half and am still at 87%. A huge increase since first cycle. In that same time I have a 1% Time without Cell signal (LOS).... I had this on GB, just b/c I have one tower about 3 miles away that I'm anchored to. If you haven't already I would recommend flashing the new FH13 modem as well.

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From what I read, Wifi tether is not working on Jellybean right now and have been running CM10 Alpha 4 for over 12 hours now. Let your Rom settle. It takes time to set your accounts back up with syncing and will drain your battery the first cycle. The first battery cycle had 3 hours. I left it off and let it charge over night. I have now had it off the charger for an hour and half and am still at 87%. A huge increase since first cycle. In that same time I have a 1% Time without Cell signal (LOS).... I had this on GB, just b/c I have one tower about 3 miles away that I'm anchored to. If you haven't already I would recommend flashing the new FH13 modem as well.
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Well, from what i read from your reply is, I dont know what im talking about , yada yada yada.... If you read a little closer it says wifi tether is not working on the AOSP build. I clearly asked above if someone could verify that it is indeed working on the CM10 build. Is that what you are trying to say? Cause no one here said they are having problems with syncing or other accounts.

Cm10 alpha 4 is running great, I was running el29 modem but I had some issues with Los, after I upgraded to fh13 I have not experienced any more Los. also turning off location services gets better battery in deep sleep.
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CM10 alpha 4 is not working well for me with LOS issues. I keep getting LOS atleast 4-5 times a day needing a reboot... going to try ASOP.