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Charger for the car?

Hey everyone,
I'm planning on buying a car charger for my phone soon as I take a lot of road trips and now that I finally have a phone with navigation I thought this would be really handy to have.
My question is: What is the best cell phone charger? What should I be looking for? I hear that some chargers can burn out the battery if left in for too long.
Also, I'd like a charger that would be able to power my ipod as well.
Thanks!
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I was browsing around and saw this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Scosche-Dual-USB-Car-Charger/dp/B000RYSU7O/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
Comments on it?

Look in the captivate general thread for this discussion ...

Why would this be in general? this is an accessory is it not..?

the only thing I can say about that is ...
DirtyRasa said:
Why would this be in general? this is an accessory is it not..?
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The answer your question is there regardless.
The answer to your question is a bit more involved than yes or no, and involves USB standards.
Perhaps it should be moved ... not my call to make.

i just bought this
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230503161988
for $8 not bad

I got mine free from Wal-mart when I bought my captivate and it does a good job of charging it.

DirtyRasa said:
Hey everyone,
I'm planning on buying a car charger for my phone soon as I take a lot of road trips and now that I finally have a phone with navigation I thought this would be really handy to have.
My question is: What is the best cell phone charger? What should I be looking for? I hear that some chargers can burn out the battery if left in for too long.
Also, I'd like a charger that would be able to power my ipod as well.
Thanks!
Edit:
I was browsing around and saw this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Scosche-Dual-USB-Car-Charger/dp/B000RYSU7O/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
Comments on it?
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Got this same exact one and a blackberry micro usb charger. Works great.

For the love of God don't cheap out... Been there, done that, don't waste the $$$.
Cables that work for $1.70:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001QATRCA/ref=oss_product
A quality Griffin charger for $11.50:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001Q2FM5E/ref=oss_product

You haven't by chance verified that the $1.70 cable fits well in the Captivate slot?
I only ask because I have a mini-to-micro USB adapter I'm using with a mini USB cable right now and it appears to fit in fine. Unfortunately in reality the plastic around the male piece blocks it from slotting in fully and I have to fiddle with it to ensure it's in well enough to charge. Moving the phone in the slightest can dislodge it and sever the connection.
I'd like to buy this cable to work with my current home/car USB chargers but wanted to make sure it wouldn't have the same issue.
I can't post a URL yet so replace x's with t's to see my illustration: hxxp://imgur.com/TCi5h.jpg

phishie said:
You haven't by chance verified that the $1.70 cable fits well in the Captivate slot?
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Yea... I've used them to both sync and charge my phone and they work fine.
Moving the phone around won't cause it to come out.

Thanks, most appreciated!

Got mine from best buy. Might not b the best but u can get the wall charger and a car charger for 30 made by best buy brand rocketfish.
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TexUs said:
For the love of God don't cheap out... Been there, done that, don't waste the $$$.
Cables that work for $1.70:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001QATRCA/ref=oss_product
A quality Griffin charger for $11.50:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001Q2FM5E/ref=oss_product
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never had a prob with cheap chargers before. They come with chips to prevent over charging...

Citznfish said:
never had a prob with cheap chargers before. They come with chips to prevent over charging...
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It's not the over charging that's the problem, it's the functioning

AT&T not as good as Samsung
I bought the AT&T branded Captivate car charger at the AT&T store, but I've noticed that it doesn't fit into the phone's slot as smoothly as the wall charger that came with the phone. Because of battery power decrease problems, I've just ordered another wall charger from the Samsung website (for use at work) instead of getting a 'generic' one from AT&T.

NeilQ said:
I bought the AT&T branded Captivate car charger at the AT&T store, but I've noticed that it doesn't fit into the phone's slot as smoothly as the wall charger that came with the phone. Because of battery power decrease problems, I've just ordered another wall charger from the Samsung website (for use at work) instead of getting a 'generic' one from AT&T.
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I looked at this baby in an AT&T corporate store after popping open the package. There is no indication whatsoever about the mA. Forget asking a store clerk. They look at you like a deer in headlights.

I bought Motorola P513 rapid rate car charger from Amazon and it's perfect fit. Now on sale for $5.85. Btw it's 950mAh.
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I just bought a random car lighter plug with a USB slot, and use my cable that came with the phone in the car. Its a little long but its the only one that fits well. I use my cable from an old bb in the house. Cheap iPhone car mount and that charger looks fairly nice
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I've got a griffin powerjolt dual ... works like a champ. I do not believe that it is a rapid charger and that it only puts out the USB2 standard 500mA per port. I personally do not like rapid chargers as I've seen problems with them in the past ... but ymmv.

alex72 said:
I bought Motorola P513 rapid rate car charger from Amazon and it's perfect fit. Now on sale for $5.85. Btw it's 950mAh.
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I just got mine as well. Fits right in. The glowing Motorola logo is kind of annoying though.

Zens Wireless Charging Kit

Saw this article this morning. Thought I'd share it.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-wireless-charging-kit-introduced-by-Zens_id32935
Won't be coming out until September, for about 85 USD, but at least there will be options.
Does anyone know how much the official one will cost?
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anyone know how wireless charging compares to outlet powered charging as far as strength and charge time?

$85 to me just seems ridiculous for a wireless charger when the technology obviously doesn't cost nearly that much. I think even after these official setups come out that I will stick with the palm touchstone conversion if I decide I want to do wireless charging. Even if I mess something up I can buy and screw up 8 of those before I even get close to paying $85.

kmdtcs said:
$85 to me just seems ridiculous for a wireless charger when the technology obviously doesn't cost nearly that much. I think even after these official setups come out that I will stick with the palm touchstone conversion if I decide I want to do wireless charging. Even if I mess something up I can buy and screw up 8 of those before I even get close to paying $85.
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I agree, the touchstone cost less, but with the touchstone charging rate is only 500mAh which has slow charging time.
I'll like to see the official one first.

The Qi standard offers a maximum of 1A in low power mode but a lot of the ICs on the market (TI) only support up to 500 mA. 500mA is about half of dedicated wall charging one I believe and the same as when you plug it into your PC to charge.
kms108 said:
I agree, the touchstone cost less, but with the touchstone charging rate is only 500mAh which has slow charging time.
I'll like to see the official one first.
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I plan on modding a case to do this. I am currently looking for some schematics because I have a feeling that this was provisioned in the design of the phone.

giritrobbins said:
The Qi standard offers a maximum of 1A in low power mode but a lot of the ICs on the market (TI) only support up to 500 mA. 500mA is about half of dedicated wall charging one I believe and the same as when you plug it into your PC to charge.
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1A is more like it,the SGS3 has a charging rate of 1A through the mains.
i'm not in a rush for one so i'll see bother before I decide.

1Android said:
anyone know how wireless charging compares to outlet powered charging as far as strength and charge time?
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I'm not too sure myself, but I've heard some people say it takes longer and others that say it takes just as long. I know when my husband had the palm pre and would use his touchstone it really didn't seem to be a very noticeable difference in time.
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Does seem a little pricey, but would love to pick up one for my desk at work, grab and go when I go out on the floor.

It's new technology(For phones at least) so obviously they gonna rip off the early adopters, I mean I bought one for Nintendo DSI for £3 which has identical technology to what they put in that so I'm gonna take that apart and if it works just buy a cheap battery cover and stick it together.

If it is qi or compatible then the energizer charging pad will work. It is well worth the money imo. I used it with tbolt every night , before my slim, lean, toned s3 arrived. Now I just can't decide whether to ripe one of my spare tbolt qi doors apart or wait for factory s3 qi door.
For what I've seen if the palm is so easy why not use the "proper" dock and hack a tbolt or similar door.
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Hopefully this combined with the Verizon version that someone posted some photos of will put some pressure on samsung to hurry up and release the official one...

Sonof the zens unit is $85 then the official Samsung one will be $100or more.

still no word on the wireless kit?

kms108 said:
I agree, the touchstone cost less, but with the touchstone charging rate is only 500mAh which has slow charging time.
I'll like to see the official one first.
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For overnight charging, this is a good thing - extends the life of your battery. The higher your charge rate, the less your battery will ultimately live. The performance of your battery overall will degrade. Slow charging is a good thing.
If you want a fast charge, just plug into a USB cable if you are in a pinch.
Also, I read in the Galaxy Nexus threads (where the Palm Touchstone mod originated) that there's a software mod they are applying to increase that rate up to be nearly as quick as the 1A charger. The same type of mod may be applicable here.

I just got my ZENS+Shield kit for the S3 that has the protective shield instead of the OEM-style backing. I'm loving it!
Previously I had been using an OEM back with a Touchstone wireless charger installed in it, but I really wanted to have my elago slim hard case that makes the buttons recessed. I made an ugly hack that made it work most of the time but I hated having to fiddle with those Palm Touchstone chargers and making it align to the magnet.
Sometimes my cat could get annoying and just nudge it or maybe the phone would vibrate enough from alerts, it would get into this "charge-discharge" loop state that can't be good for the phone, sometimes even fully lose contact. It was just not very reliable -- I found myself sometimes just plugging it into USB to get a better charge.
The ZENS wireless back fits really well and provides the backing I wanted. I wish the texture was a bit more grippy but it's not exactly slippery. It's on-par with the stock grip. It's a bit heavier and slightly more bulky than the elago case but that's because it provides a bit more protection and has a rubbery pad for some sort of shock protection.
The charger is great too. I can put the phone in just about any position and it'll charge. They even brag it'll charge if you put it on a high volume speaker in the instructions (but it may take up to 2 mins for it to "negotiate" in that case.) It seems to charge faster than my Touchstone.
It's Qi standard so I should be able to use it with any charging pad. I was shopping for a second charger but the 3-position Energizer looks much too big as does the Duracell and the single position Energizer is slanted and I've read some people have issues with it sliding off. I like that the ZENS charger is flat and the size is nice, so I ordered another.
There's one downside to the ZENS charger but I think other chargers (except the Palm Touchstone) suffer the same problem: they do not use USB as a power source. My ZENS charger uses some ugly wall-wart. Also it's a bit more expensive.

Wireless Charger Question

I've had a Nexus 7 since they launched last year and I just got the new one on Wednesday. I'd like to get a wireless charger, will any wireless charger work or do I need to look for specific attributes?

daraldf said:
I've had a Nexus 7 since they launched last year and I just got the new one on Wednesday. I'd like to get a wireless charger, will any wireless charger work or do I need to look for specific attributes?
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As long as it is designed for the Qi standard it should work. I have a LG WCP-300 and I used it to charge the Nexus 7 I bought for a friend. It worked fine, but since it's so small the tablet was poorly balanced on it. That charger is at some Verizon stores for $40 + tax, and Verizon online for the same price with free shipping. The WCP-300 comes with it's own power supply.
I have seen good reviews for the new Samsung wireless charger, it's $50, but it may still be available for half off. You'll need to get a separate power supply, but I think it probably needs to be 1.8 or 2 amp output. It's also larger, so the tablet won't tend to rock or slip off as easily on the LG charger.
You can see threads on both of those qi chargers over on the Nexus 4 accessories threads.
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The Panasonic TM-101 is simply fantastic. Toss your tablet anywhere on the pad - and the pad will find it. Will charge multiple devices - sequentially. Nice to have a tablet that is always charged now.
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the nexus orb has been great with the 7. my 4 will slide of frequently but I've had no problems with the 7

I bought the Samsung charger with 50% off coupon and so far, it works with original nexus(2 amp) plug, 2013 Nexus(1.35 amp) plug, iphone 4s/5 plug(don't know what amp).
I like that I can lay the Nexus down cross ways to see the charging indicator led come on, also works with i-blason folio case on the Nexus.
So I lay it down to see the led come on, hear the little tone from Nexus telling me that's it's charging, I close the magnetic cover and turns the screen off. I wake up next morning and it was fully charged from ~20%.
So, I'd say the Samsung charger with 50% off coupon is worth it. I think they are backordered right now though.

Any Qi charger should work. The Samsung 50% off deal is nice bout out of stock.
I JUST FOUND THIS, AT&T has the Nokia DT-900 at half off currently. That's $24.50 plus tax.
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/accessories/chargers/sku6290260.html#fbid=BsyWhzJwki0
I have one I recently got from ebay and it works great. I just picked up a second one from AT&T.

RojasTKD said:
Any Qi charger should work. The Samsung 50% off deal is nice bout out of stock.
I JUST FOUND THIS, AT&T has the Nokia DT-900 at half off currently. That's $24.50 plus tax.
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/accessories/chargers/sku6290260.html#fbid=BsyWhzJwki0
I have one I recently got from ebay and it works great. I just picked up a second one from AT&T.
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Looks nice.

Do these chargers works with a case on...?

esco123 said:
Do these chargers works with a case on...?
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Hi:
My Nokia DT-900, refurbished for $25 off of Ebay, charges with the I-Blason and the Finte Slim Fit Folio cases.
Tom

kellybrf said:
the nexus orb has been great with the 7. my 4 will slide of frequently but I've had no problems with the 7
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Another vote for the Orb. Holds it so that you can see the time on it at night if you set Daydream up.

rmm200 said:
The Panasonic TM-101 is simply fantastic. Toss your tablet anywhere on the pad - and the pad will find it. Will charge multiple devices - sequentially. Nice to have a tablet that is always charged now.
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I have read that the Panasonic TM-101 will stop charging once you device reaches 100% then not touch it again to keep up the charge as the phones drains in sleep mode. Something that most other chargers do. That would just bug me.
Even though it cool, I'll be satisfied with the Nokia DT-900 I paid $25 for, and eill keep my device topped off.

Looks like you already made your choice, but I was going to put in another vote for the Panasonic TM101.
I also have a Nokia DT-900, which looks nice and is compact. The only problem is that the Nexus 7 is large compared to the charging plate, and it'll take a bit of practice to perfectly center your tablet onto the charging plate when you can't really see the charging plate under the tablet.
The Panasonic one, as you've probably read by now, automagically positions the charging coil via motors to line it up with your device. The coils light up when they move, so you can visibly see the charging coils as they center behind your Nexus 7. You can hear the motors working, but it's only about as loud as a quiet inkjet printer, so it doesn't really bug me at all.
As far as cases are concerned, you should be fine as long as the case isn't made of metal, and as long as the case isn't too thick. After experimenting a bit with placing a magazine between my N7 and the charging plate, you can get away with about 1/4" of space and still be able to charge.

Also, if you put two devices on the Panasonic, it will charge one and then move over and charge the second. I also read - somewhere - that when one of them drops down to 90%, it will charge again. Unproven by me, since my tablet is always fully charged when I pick it up. Loving it - neatest gadget I have bought in a long time.
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Phamwich said:
Looks like you already made your choice, but I was going to put in another vote for the Panasonic TM101.
I also have a Nokia DT-900, which looks nice and is compact. The only problem is that the Nexus 7 is large compared to the charging plate, and it'll take a bit of practice to perfectly center your tablet onto the charging plate when you can't really see the charging plate under the tablet.
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I'm not sure what your talking about. I just roughly center my N7 on the Nokia DT-900 and it charges. I'd have to be grossly off for it not to charge. As long as I'm placing my N7 on the charger and not tossing from 2 feek away it works flawlessly. Something must be wrong with either your N7 or your charger.
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I also read - somewhere - that when one of them drops down to 90%, it [thePanasonic TM-101] will charge again.
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If that's true, that sounds great. But read or saw a video review that said the opposite. I don't own the Panasonic TM-101, so I don't know which is correct. Maybe someone who has first hand knowledge can chime in.

New wireless charging pad for Nexus 5 / 7

http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/31/google-wireless-charging-pad/
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Wireless-charging-pad-for-Nexus-5-and-Nexus-7-on-the-way_id48942
Looks slick, hope I can get in an order before they go out (when they finally come up that is)
I loved wireless charging on the Lumia 920, very handy at night/dark.
Who else is in??!

It looks good but it all depends on the price.

JCreazy said:
It looks good but it all depends on the price.
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Very true. Hopefully it is reasonable.

Preferred the previous one (even tho I never got the chance to own one ), this one is too flat for me.

You guys know if the n4 orb will work for n5?
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raycaster3 said:
You guys know if the n4 orb will work for n5?
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Yes, they all use Qi standard

haskida said:
Yes, they all use Qi standard
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n5 may not stick to the orb though since it doesnt have the glossy, glass back

crawlgsx said:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/31/google-wireless-charging-pad/
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Wireless-charging-pad-for-Nexus-5-and-Nexus-7-on-the-way_id48942
Looks slick, hope I can get in an order before they go out (when they finally come up that is)
I loved wireless charging on the Lumia 920, very handy at night/dark.
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Does anyone know or have experience with the other wireless charging solutions out there know how fast this charges a device?

Eh, unimpressed. Judging by Google's accessory prices this thing will run around $60.
Here is one on Amazon that looks nearly the same, is only $30, and is available now:
http://www.amazon.com/UPGRADED-Wire...d=1383267489&sr=8-2&keywords=wireless+charger

Never used a wireless charging pad. Does it require me to take off any case I put on the N5? Does charging take slightly longer than just plugging it to the wall?

I just posted this in another thread.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/141041328532?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...rd_t=301&pf_rd_p=1263465782&pf_rd_i=skinny xl
Great qi charger. It works with all my cases, it's not really much slower than usb, and it's makes a very quiet noise when connecting.
It's also only $16. I've been using it for about 2 months, zero problems.

flexnix said:
Never used a wireless charging pad. Does it require me to take off any case I put on the N5? Does charging take slightly longer than just plugging it to the wall?
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Most cases work just fine unless you have an extra thick one. With my nexus 4 it charges at about 70 to 80% of the regular charger speed.
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frigidazzi said:
Most cases work just fine unless you have an extra thick one. With my nexus 4 it charges at about 70 to 80% of the regular charger speed.
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That's actually a very good estimate, the efficiency of these chargers are generally around 75%.

id rather just used wired, wireless makes the phone too hot and heat kills your battery right? or maybe its my cheap white fasttech Qi charger, that one with the LOUD beep and annoying BLUE led lol

cobyman7035 said:
id rather just used wired, wireless makes the phone too hot and heat kills your battery right? or maybe its my cheap white fasttech Qi charger, that one with the LOUD beep and annoying BLUE led lol
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This is a bad misconception about wireless charging. Yes these were factors with the N4, which was very poor in regards to wireless charging.
The Lumia 920 however charged wirelessly without any additional heat and the pad made no noise or leds. It was a fantastic experience. It is very convenient when your going to bed/waking up in the dark not to have to deal with Micro USB. However when I purchased the N4 I was extremely disappointed with the wireless charging and went back to USB, I am hoping the N5 has improved in this regard. Another reason I WON'T be buying one of the cheap QI chargers.

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This is a bad misconception about wireless charging. Yes these were factors with the N4, which was very poor in regards to wireless charging.
The Lumia 920 however charged wirelessly without any additional heat and the pad made no noise or leds. It was a fantastic experience. It is very convenient when your going to bed/waking up in the dark not to have to deal with Micro USB. However when I purchased the N4 I was extremely disappointed with the wireless charging and went back to USB, I am hoping the N5 has improved in this regard. Another reason I WON'T be buying one of the cheap QI chargers.
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You can use the lumia charger with the nexus 5. The only reason i would get the nexus pad is because of the magnets. The nexus pad should get the phone aligned perfectly.

I'm looking forward to seeing this made available to buy. As i'm in no immediate rush, it will be going on my christmas list fo sho!

Looks like this is just Not Happening?

The nokia wireless charging plate is on sale at AT&T for $25: http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/accessories/chargers/sku6290260.html#fbid=W0UhtP5C8zH
I ordered one to keep at my desk, and since they're in stock at stores nearby I chose in-store pickup (no shipping fee).
And it does work with the Nexus 5: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/124...-5-works-with-a-nokia-wireless-charging-plate

Cheapest wireless charger?

Would anyone happen to know where the cheapest, compatible wireless charger is sold for the G3?

Bro if you buy cheap you can't get mad when it don't work good. It is never worth it to go cheap

I don't know if I would say that. Some people got a cheap wireless charger from AT&T that was fine but out of stock now. I'm not talking about the back cover I know AT&T's is different. I bought a LG Vest case from Korea for 20 and it was 60 in the US. Same exact case. It's kind of hit or miss though. I want to get wireless charger but only if I can find a deal on a good one. I think buying cheap batteries is different though. I want a slim case but I don't know what ones work with a wireless charger. I guess maybe I'll just get a bumper or something.

Depending on the item, I'll buy cheap such as chargers or cables. They've worked for me for X amount of years. If it breaks, I'll buy a new one and it will still be cheaper than buying a quality one that costs 4 times as much.
I just ordered this http://www.ebay.com/itm/22147408925...eName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
I see a lot of people and on YouTube using this. The Qi chargers are nothing special. Its all plastic and the internal is just a chip, with wire and coil for charging. You can even buy the internals on eBay and put it in to your own case if you're that creative.

I have Nexus Wireless Charging orb I can sell you

Qi-compatible wireless adapter with NFC
My adapter finally arrived! I used a sharp knife and sliced out the old one after I tested this one.
Chinese website that only took 2 weeks to deliver!
It works with my Nokia Wireless charger just fine. However, with the standard white, flat, Qi-compatible charger I got on Amazon for $8, it says "charging slowly" and to plug in to the usb port to charge faster.
I'm just glad I don't have to buy the LG-branded wireless charging station for $50+!

gatekpr said:
My adapter finally arrived! I used a sharp knife and sliced out the old one after I tested this one.
Chinese website that only took 2 weeks to deliver!
It works with my Nokia Wireless charger just fine. However, with the standard white, flat, Qi-compatible charger I got on Amazon for $8, it says "charging slowly" and to plug in to the usb port to charge faster.
I'm just glad I don't have to buy the LG-branded wireless charging station for $50+!
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My Nokia DT910 charges fine with no slow charge warning, but randomly disconnects and then immediately starts charging again. Is it doing that for you?

BACARDILIMON said:
Bro if you buy cheap you can't get mad when it don't work good. It is never worth it to go cheap
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I got this one. It was only $9. when I ordered it, but its 14 now, still pretty cheap.
http://www.amazon.com/Docooler-Wire...F8&qid=1408662184&sr=8-11&keywords=qi+charger

I got the LG puck from from Verizon last year when they had a promo. Works fine on my Nexus 7 but on the G3 I get the slow charge message