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OK so I'm really not sure why all the Galaxy S2s have ICS but the T-mobile version. So my question is who's responsible to develop the version for the T989, Samsung or T-mobile? I don't understand why the ATT version and the international version have had their ICS for so long and we have to work on porting a version. So if someone has knowledge as to the development cycle of software upgrades and who's responsible (carrier, manufacturer, Google) to get a version out to the phone can you let me know.
Samsung builds it, T-Mobile tests it and adds their BS. Atleast that's my understanding
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Samsung builds it, T-Mobile tests it and adds their BS. Atleast that's my understanding
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that is correct, for all carriers. Samsung releases touchwizzed stock ics with Samsung bloat, Carriers add more bloat, then OTA/send it to your phone
The sprint and att versions are closer to the international version than ours are. Which allows them to get ports faster.
International is powered by the exynos soc
Tmobile version is powered by the qualcomm soc
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hazard99 said:
The sprint and att versions are closer to the international version than ours are. Which allows them to get ports faster.
International is powered by the exynos soc
Tmobile version is powered by the qualcomm soc
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Basically ours is powered by **** and the other ones are powered by good ones.
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They made a decision to give us an soc that had higher theoretical download speeds.
The note skyrocket and ours got screwed because they thought download speed was more important.
I cant be mad because I bought the phone knowing what soc it had.
It was either that or the amaze 4g.
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Well thank you for all the information. So if Samsung is busy working on getting the Galaxy S III out then I guess it might be a while since ours is crap. I bought the T-Mobile version for two reasons:
1) Faster downloads (I get 12-14 megs /sec) so I was told that was faster than ATT would provide.
2) There is no overage charges.
So if I exceed my monthly cap my bill doesn't go up and next month it will reset back to 4G speed; I can live with a few days of slower speed if needed. Basically the T989 version is crappier and I'd been better off buying an international version off the internet instead of buying the phone from T-mobile. For example I went to Corning's site and thought it had Gorilla Glass too. I found out by researching XDA that indeed it doesn't. Well I guess I'm stuck for 2 years now. Really wish I had known that what I was purchasing was the stepchild version.
Thanks you everyone for explaining the issue. Guess I'll keep looking for a good ICS ROM on the forums.
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Basically ours is powered by **** and the other ones are powered by good ones.
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Haha sad but true.
This is not a rant nor a rave post, it's all about one's opinion regarding the difference between the International version S3 and the T-mobile S3.
I have had my S3 T999 UNLOCKED version for a while now, it's a 16gig model and after Flashing so many ROM's and whatnot, I am seriously considering getting the International version.
My decision is NOT based on the HARDWARE difference between the 2, it's based on the SOFTWARE alone.
IMHO, It's totally inconceivable to expect a device like a cellphone to be a Speed demon or have the Fastest and Latest super this or super that. I don't think anyone BOUGHT their device for that reason alone so what did we buy it for in the first place ?
1. Reliable Communication should be the #1 top reason for everyone.
2. Dependability should be #2, I would believe.
3. Utility as a personal entertainment device to pass the time when one is bored.
There are other reasons that I can't think of but it's safe to say that the T-mobile S3 is different in 1 regard, between the other GSM carriers, T-mobile has 1 different frequency, don't quote me but I think it's the 2100 .
Would any of you care to share your opinion if you had to go back and change your mind would you have gotten an UNLOCKED S3 International over the T-mobile's version, disregarding the hardware aspects of the 2 ?
P.S. Oh and BTW, Is there any end users and/or Developers that have both devices ?
Regarding the Software, I just would like to have the Essential apps that 1 needs, not all this other B$ that is dependent of the other bloated apps, I think everyone knows what am referring too, right ?
If Wild or Doc, reads this, maybe we can ask for a ROM that let's us install the apps we want on our devices via the Aroma installer, would be nice right pps ?
Yes, the T-Mobile version is different in that it lacks LTE and it adds the AWS (1700/2100) band. You never really said why you made a decision to change devices, just that you had made a decision. Personally, I am happy with the phone I have, but I am on T-Mobile, so the T999 that I have is an obvious choice. Are you on T-Mobile? If you are, think carefully before you get another version, since you probably won't get the data speeds you expect with any other GS3 version, at least not at this time.
I don't understand what are you trying to tell us, but if you going with international version make sure you get a career like Att the support hspa, otherwise you will be stuck on edge for tmobile, until they re framed their network
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Only reason to NOT get Internation version is simply as stated before of the AWS band, you going to be on EDGE with the internation version no matter where in the US you go too. So what is your reason for switching anyway?? Because your post is confusing
Op makes no sense...or needs to be edited....
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I did not get what the OP wants to say. But for me. I got the T999 mainly because of the wificalling feature for tmobile.
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Think he wants to know which would we choose the i9300 or t999.... if we could make the decision all over again???
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I would definitly stick with t999 and the 2 gigs of ram. I am overclocked to dual core 2.1ghz I can't Imagine that the i9300 is much faster than my phone. Seriously this phone is blazing fast and multi tasking has been taken to a whole new level. Love it and couldn't ask for more.
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I would definitly stick with t999 and the 2 gigs of ram. I am overclocked to dual core 2.1ghz I can't Imagine that the i9300 is much faster than my phone. Seriously this phone is blazing fast and multi tasking has been taken to a whole new level. Love it and couldn't ask for more.
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But it is.. especially the GPU.
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so we dont have the wolfenstein DAC?
man that sucks
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Only reason to NOT get Internation version is simply as stated before of the AWS band, you going to be on EDGE with the internation version no matter where in the US you go too. So what is your reason for switching anyway?? Because your post is confusing
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Actually there have been reports thay tmobile already released support for the 1900 band n is working on some parts of the US a friend of mine has an unlocked att note n hes getting 4g here in vegas
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Actually there have been reports thay tmobile already released support for the 1900 band n is working on some parts of the US a friend of mine has an unlocked att note n hes getting 4g here in vegas
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Yeah but not everyone lives in Vegas.. and outside of Vegas 1900mhz support is miniscule.
And the AT&T Note can get T-Mobile HSPA+ by flashing a radio.
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Hello guys, i would like your advice on this matter. I want to order a t999 because of the specs i find more powerful, therefore i want to know if i can use it in Europe with my local (vodafone Romania) carrier...After i will get it unlock i mean.
I recently find out that my carrier uses 900 mHz network GSM.
Well i have both t999 & international. i cant take the slow speeds of the international so i use the T999 as my daily phone but if i had 4g i would totally use my GT-I9300 to me there's a difference
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sleepy13909 said:
Well i have both t999 & international. i cant take the slow speeds of the international so i use the T999 as my daily phone but if i had 4g i would totally use my GT-I9300 to me there's a difference
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sleepy13909, Thanks for your reply.
I am a T-mobile customer and I have the T999 but as I mentioned, I didn't buy the device of the download speed, I bought it because I thought it was a RELIABLE COMMUNICATION DEVICE.
Since, I've not ventured out into the I9300 area of the forums here, I was wondering how much Bloat is on the International version compared to the T-mobile ?
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Actually there have been reports thay tmobile already released support for the 1900 band n is working on some parts of the US a friend of mine has an unlocked att note n hes getting 4g here in vegas
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This is really important for me. You have SEEN his Note get 4g here in Vegas? My gt-i9300 is in transit as I type this so I really wanna know if 1900 band will really supply me at least 3g speeds as of 9.24.12. Because if they're both 1900 baseband phones I don't see why my sgs3 gt-i9300 couldn't get it. Btw I live in eastern side of town. Around Hollywood and lake Mead. Around which side of town does he get those speeds?
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This is really important for me. You have SEEN his Note get 4g here in Vegas? My gt-i9300 is in transit as I type this so I really wanna know if 1900 band will really supply me at least 3g speeds as of 9.24.12. Because if they're both 1900 baseband phones I don't see why my sgs3 gt-i9300 couldn't get it. Btw I live in eastern side of town. Around Hollywood and lake Mead. Around which side of town does he get those speeds?
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Golden over in Vegas
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/09/las-...nationwide-lte-network-coming-by-end-of-2013/
Give us an update when u get your i9300, I'm in Vegas (NW) myself. Upgraded my wife's nexus to T-Mobile s3 but looking to get intl note 2.
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Will do asap.
Ok guys we're good on speeds with micro SIM T-Mobile in Las Vegas on 1900 baseband. Well as good as it gets with t-mobile anyway.
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So what's the MAJOR difference between AT&T sgs2 I900 (i think) and the Srint et4g?
just the simple fact that one is GSM and the other is CDMA?
or is it more to it than that? because if that's the case it would be amazingly easy to bring some other work over here.. especially on jellybean..
I believe atat only sells the skyrocket variant of the gs2 now, which uses different hardware. Qualcomm snappdragon s3 with adreno 220 gpu, as oppose to the spring model which uses the exynos 4210 and Mali 400 gpu.
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MultiLockOn said:
I believe atat only sells the skyrocket variant of the gs2 now, which uses different hardware. Qualcomm snappdragon s3 with adreno 220 gpu, as oppose to the spring model which uses the exynos 4210 and Mali 400 gpu.
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I hate cell phone companies with the need to make so many differences between devices based on carrier..
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I believe atat only sells the skyrocket variant of the gs2 now, which uses different hardware. Qualcomm snappdragon s3 with adreno 220 gpu, as oppose to the spring model which uses the exynos 4210 and Mali 400 gpu.
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The skyrocket came out after att released the gs2. Gs2 was hspa + a faster processor and the skyrocket is an LTE device with a different processor. Came put a month later I believe..
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evol4g said:
I hate cell phone companies with the need to make so many differences between devices based on carrier..
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why do you think all sgs3 models are the same?
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why do you think all sgs3 models are the same?
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Idk.. I don't research phones hardware specs til I buy one
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why do you think all sgs3 models are the same?
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Because all major carriers are similarly using lte frequencies, as opposed to a few years ago when Sprint wasusing wimax frequencies
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Idk.. I don't research phones hardware specs til I buy one
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You're stupid
RayTrue04 said:
The skyrocket came out after att released the gs2. Gs2 was hspa + a faster processor and the skyrocket is an LTE device with a different processor. Came put a month later I believe..
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Exactly. The original i believe wasn't compatible with atts 4g frequencies
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It's slowly becoming less of a problem
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I don't know which one is the AT&T variant to the E4GT, but you can start here: Compare SPH-D710 to SGH-i727 Skyrocket to GT-i9100
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Because all major carriers are similarly using lte frequencies, as opposed to a few years ago when Sprint wasusing wimax frequencies
Exactly. The original i believe wasn't compatible with atts 4g frequencies
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Somewhat wrong on first account. All the major carriers use completely different LTE frequencies. Verizon uses the lower 800mhz block, ATT uses the 700 mhz block, sprint uses 850 (not yet) / 1900 (currently deploying via network vision) / 2500-2600mhz Clearwire TDLTE (future - hotspots) freqs. Although recent advancements in radios allow us to have multiple frequencies on one phone (like the i5 radio), it only goes so far.
The fact that all the S3 being very similar is due to the fact that Samsung got sick of the BS from the carriers and have finally gotten the marketshare and power to finally force the carriers into not messing with their phones. 30 million galaxy S devices + 30 million galaxy s2 devices and 20 million+ gs3's ensure that Samsung has a lot of influence over carriers.
Originally Galaxy S2 on att supported ATT's HSPA21+ 4g network but not the LTE network.
The Original AT&T GS2 (Like Euro Version), has the Exynos Processor. The Skyrocket, to have LTE, had the Snapdragon S3. This is why all US varients have the Dual core S4 and not the Quad Exynos, they all have LTE.
As far as the GS3, they took a route similar to Apple. Different carriers, but a completely unified device. Just change radio bands.
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Somewhat wrong on first account. All the major carriers use completely different LTE frequencies. Verizon uses the lower 800mhz block, ATT uses the 700 mhz block, sprint uses 850 (not yet) / 1900 (currently deploying via network vision) / 2500-2600mhz Clearwire TDLTE (future - hotspots) freqs. Although recent advancements in radios allow us to have multiple frequencies on one phone (like the i5 radio), it only goes so far.
The fact that all the S3 being very similar is due to the fact that Samsung got sick of the BS from the carriers and have finally gotten the marketshare and power to finally force the carriers into not messing with their phones. 30 million galaxy S devices + 30 million galaxy s2 devices and 20 million+ gs3's ensure that Samsung has a lot of influence over carriers.
Originally Galaxy S2 on att supported ATT's HSPA21+ 4g network but not the LTE network.
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Haha you're right i guess i meant to say that not all carriers were using lte technology, beside Sprint was on wimax. Shouldn't have used the word frequencies. Cheers
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evol4g said:
So what's the MAJOR difference between AT&T sgs2 I900 (i think) and the Srint et4g?
just the simple fact that one is GSM and the other is CDMA?
or is it more to it than that? because if that's the case it would be amazingly easy to bring some other work over here.. especially on jellybean..
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I actually own both phones well the T-Mobile variant at least which is exactly the same phone as the AT&T Skyrocket. The roms for both phones are actually interchangeable and only a rotation fix is needed. Other than shape and the fact that I can make calls and stream the web both phones run the same to me. No notification lights though for the T-Mobile variant which sucks when you get a text or missed call.
Exactly what work is it you are referring too though. I thought development on the Sprint side was way better... Unless you are referring to the first AT&T Galaxy 2
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why start the topic if you dont even resrarch the specs before you buy? so your the guy who buys a device then calls sprint begging for another phone after you relised what you picked isnt what you wanted lol
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why start the topic if you dont even resrarch the specs before you buy? so your the guy who buys a device then calls sprint begging for another phone after you relised what you picked isnt what you wanted lol
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Research, Play, Like, Buy is the four steps to buying a smart phone.
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Research, Play, Like, Buy is the four steps to buying a smart phone.
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you forgot one and making sure its cooler than an Iphone :laugh:
ATT Skyrocket S3 Snapdragon 1.5Ghz dual core, Sprint Epic 4G Touch Exynos 1.2Ghz dual core.
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/compare.php?p=3364,3301
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ATT Skyrocket S3 Snapdragon 1.5Ghz dual core, Sprint Epic 4G Touch Exynos 1.2Ghz dual core.
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/compare.php?p=3364,3301
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Don't let the gigahertz fool you, the Exynos variant is much faster, and well optimized for the phone.
I know the Exynos is a better processor compared to the Snapdragon.
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I know the Exynos is a better processor compared to the Snapdragon.
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Oh, my mistake. It looked like you were saying the Snappdragon model was faster because of the way you mentioned the gigahertz. My mistake ) Regardless, the comment was primarily directed at the OP.
It's all good. I was just mentioning the differences between the two.
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Currently have the international version of the phone. Was using that AT&T loophole for unlimited HSPA+ data for $10 a month, however it seems they had a major crack down today and that can't be used anymore. Is there anybody here that has used both versions of the S3? How much of a difference does LTE really make? Can you notice a difference between the 2 processors? I'm sure the bonus ram is useful.
I've used both versions and can honestly say the differences aren't significant. LTE vs HSPA+ is night and day; almost like comparing it to wifi. As far as the processor, speed wise doing normal things its immeasurable (Games are better on the i9300). However, the S4 gave me slightly better battery. Android is pretty smart about managing ram usage so I've never noticed anything with the 2gb, but I have gone over 1gb at times.
I just came from the international and man the LTE is worth it alone. I didn't even game at all so the quad was pointless. I only had it for the crazy dev support.
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I just came from the international and man the LTE is worth it alone. I didn't even game at all so the quad was pointless. I only had it for the crazy dev support.
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Dev support is pretty solid here too!
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I thought I will just add this here.. Maybe people will stop making new threads about LTE on our GS3.
Now we need to see if its the same hardware as ours and maybe combine a this forum with it.
Here is the news
Thought there was a thread on the new phone already.
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Thought there was a thread on the new phone already.
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I must have missed it because I dont see it.
Why get the s3 when the s4 is available? Or am I missing something here?
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Why get the s3 when the s4 is available? Or am I missing something here?
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Money I guess. My friend bought the s3 today cause it was 30 dollars and the s4 was 200 on Sprint but he didn't want to pay that much.
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I think it's dumb overall but to each their own.
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I think it's dumb overall but to each their own.
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I agree. Glad we have choice and not stuck with just one . I love my sgs3. There are days I wish there was more I could do but for the most part it functions as it should and im not ready to fork out more money for a slightly updgraded version of this one. By slightly I mean "in my opinion" . Don't get all technical with me because I'm aware of the spec differences. If my phone isn't dead by next year around the holidays or even after that is consider seeing what's available. Sgs6 or even whatever the future holds.
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Im kinda waiting for the Note 3 to comes out. That would have more features than that GS4. I think that should be a nice upgrade from my GS3. But then again T-Mobile did it again like they did with the Vibrant, I am not sure if this version of the S3 will have a lower memory or it will be the same as this just lte added.
The vibrant was a good phone and tmobile sacrificed that 16GB memory for that FFC when the Galaxy S 4G came out
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Im kinda waiting for the Note 3 to comes out. That would have more features than that GS4. I think that should be a nice upgrade from my GS3. But then again T-Mobile did it again like they did with the Vibrant, I am not sure if this version of the S3 will have a lower memory or it will be the same as this just lte added.
The vibrant was a good phone and tmobile sacrificed that 16GB memory for that FFC when the Galaxy S 4G came out
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Don't forget T-Mobile also abandoned the Vibrant when they released the 'better' version. We got stuck with Froyo officially. The very same could happen once more with us. There is a possibility that MD5 could be their last update for the non-LTE GS3. I seriously hope they don't forget the millions that bought the non-LTE GS3 as they did with the Vibrant.
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Don't forget T-Mobile also abandoned the Vibrant when they released the 'better' version. We got stuck with Froyo officially. The very same could happen once more with us. There is a possibility that MD5 could be their last update for the non-LTE GS3. I seriously hope they don't forget the millions that bought the non-LTE GS3 as they did with the Vibrant.
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That's not gonna be the case, and if it is the case we will get a version of it with custom roms. We'll get 4.2 around August-September (just a guess)
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Don't forget T-Mobile also abandoned the Vibrant when they released the 'better' version. We got stuck with Froyo officially. The very same could happen once more with us. There is a possibility that MD5 could be their last update for the non-LTE GS3. I seriously hope they don't forget the millions that bought the non-LTE GS3 as they did with the Vibrant.
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Yeah but bottom line is even if they decide to ditch this version of the updates I think it would be a lot easier to port it from the GS3 with lte! Even thought I dont think that Samsung will make a 100% different hardware of the one with LTE. Look at it this way. Even though AT&T. SPRINT, VERIZON have LTE GS3's and we can port roms from them. Or maybe tmobile will release the update to both devices
I doubt you have to worry bout getting keft out of the update loop. I'm guessing they will be virtually identical except for modems and drivers.
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Pointless to go on endless speculation on what Tmobile and Samsung are going to do just wait and see. I think by the time we have 4.2, 4.3 might be out then people will be whining about getting that one.
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Not gonna get this I'm happy with my sgs3. Probably one of the best phones I've had. If they do have a note 3 in the works I'll hold out for that.
So curious if anyonenhere has actually bought the Lte version.
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I doubt you have to worry bout getting keft out of the update loop. I'm guessing they will be virtually identical except for modems and drivers.
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Corrent I believe this new LTE GS3 will be the same exact phone... We should be good in porting roms from it just like Verizon, Sprint. And since is the same phone I wonder if we can flash radios from it too. Just like on the Hercules days when we could flash radios even from the Blaze 4G
I don't get why they would do this, T-Mobile or Samsung. Just release an S III version with hardware capabilities for LTE??? Just money hungry? Why do people get so worried about it? With HSPA+ I get 25 mb down, it's no 50 but on my phone I won't recognize the difference in loading web pages, or anything... My WiFi is 38mb down on my phone I tested both WiFi and Cell Data, no difference in loading a web page, maybe .5 seconds or 1 second, but is that what people are worried about? Seems so minuscule to me. Yet, there are about 20 threads on LTE and this phone, and an official thread with 13 pages.... and some of that cleaned out I'm sure, because people get so angry over the subject. Just boggles my mind, am I missing something here?
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I don't get why they would do this, T-Mobile or Samsung. Just release an S III version with hardware capabilities for LTE??? Just money hungry? Why do people get so worried about it? With HSPA+ I get 25 mb down, it's no 50 but on my phone I won't recognize the difference in loading web pages, or anything... My WiFi is 38mb down on my phone I tested both WiFi and Cell Data, no difference in loading a web page, maybe .5 seconds or 1 second, but is that what people are worried about? Seems so minuscule to me. Yet, there are about 20 threads on LTE and this phone, and an official thread with 13 pages.... and some of that cleaned out I'm sure, because people get so angry over the subject. Just boggles my mind, am I missing something here?
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You're not missing anything. I completely share your feelings in this. When I owned the nexus 4 there were threads all about this also when a Google update disabled late on the nexus 4. People were all up in arms about it. Then after they found a way around it complained about battery life. We have become an instant society. If people perceive that late will get them something faster then they'll think they "need " it. I'm on WiFi 99% of the time. And when I am out of range my 4g is just as fast.
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This thread was not about actually LTE. I have seen so many threads about LTE on this model of the gs3. I been telling em about this new model that tmobile has said it will come when they had that iphone conference. And I know what u mean there were a lot of lte threads. In my opinion i am not going to jump ship because of the lte. I can careless with it now that I have tested it with a att gs3 with a friend and I was getting better speeds than him. Maybe people just need to move on and next time u buy a phone they will be lte enable.. But again I don't know if tmobile pay less for these gs3 without lte in it. Its all about money. Just like some carriers prefer you pay another $500 for a phone that will have a minor update. Like for instance the vibrant and the galaxy s 4G. They said that the vibrant was not a 4G phone. They both had the same speeds in my experience that vibrant ran HSPA+ just like tmobiles so call 4G its HSPA+ so no difference there. Although for me the vibrant was a lot better. One thing though I wish is that I ne of these days tmobile will say that they will start saling none carrier branded phones. And there won't be a difference between the ones in the us and the ones international.
i like the idea