What do you think about the verdict?
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What do you think about the verdict?
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I hate to say it, but what does this have to do with the Ion?
shot down..and nothing XD
Wrong section at the very least. Q&A I think not.
Hate to say but it affects more than Samsung guys Sony is an android partner too the consequences of this verdict I fear may have a wide reaching effect on a lot of major and minor players.
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Well the defence tactic of 'yeah we copied them but they copied someone else!' Isn't the best....
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thanitos said:
Well the defence tactic of 'yeah we copied them but they copied someone else!' Isn't the best....
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That defense worked for Microsoft when Apple tried to sue them over the icon interface. Microsoft claimed the icon interface came from Xerox. Apple eventually dropped the case.
Also, this is far from over. Samsung will definitely appeal. There are plenty of reasons for possibly winning under appeal.
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thanitos said:
Well the defence tactic of 'yeah we copied them but they copied someone else!' Isn't the best....
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True but bringing that to light will make the world and apple drones see Apple for what it is, a money grubber the steals tech and not a company that "thinks different" or even really innovates all that much.
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jeriku said:
True but bringing that to light will make the world and apple drones see Apple for what it is, a money grubber the steals tech and not a company that "thinks different" or even really innovates all that much.
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Money = power. Logic + truth= second place.
I think Ms beat apple because apple doesn't have the money Ms does but I have no clue or facts or background to support that. Just a thought
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thanitos said:
Money = power. Logic + truth= second place.
I think Ms beat apple because apple doesn't have the money Ms does but I have no clue or facts or background to support that. Just a thought
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MS beats Apple because apple has always locked down their tech. It goes back to pc clones. First to saturate the market takes the prize, usually.
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Moved to General.
Microsoft beat Apple because Apple was basically told you cannot patent icons. This judgement is a joke and we can only hope it is overturned on appeal.
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Moved to General.
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Thank you.
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The main reason for Apple go againist Samsung is Samsung is an important supplier for making apple products especially iphone. If you check history of Samsung phones model, they never have similar model until iphone 3g started to rise of global sales. Samsung then release products like instinct. I worked for a Canadian carrier and I remember Samsung was pushing hard with the Instinct model and had trainings and incentive for sales. Its normal to see competitors being copy cat because its all about money. But samsung was doing it too much. Remeber the smart cover incident? Galaxy tab 10.1 was launched with the same design of Apple smart cover and it was the relatives of the Boss of Samsung who made it. They had to pull away this product line right away. If Apple is a person and that is you. And your buddy Samsung is part of the supplier of your products which you spend a lot of times and energy to design. And one day he created similar product lines and make money from it and dont admit he is copying. So what would you do?
Just my thought, im not a fan of Apple or Samsung. Don't care. Whoever makes cool products and feed my lifestyle, I will buy and use it.
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http://m.engadget.com/2012/08/24/apple-v-samsung-decision/
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
Was never going to be a fair trial in an American courthouse, just they way the world operates.
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This is BS verdict for real. They brought in a jury that knew nothing about patents laws. The judge had to give them a crash course in it. Fishy business. So do this mean no galaxy s4. What's next apple going sue Google claiming Android os infringed on apple BS ios
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
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This is BS verdict for real. They brought in a jury that knew nothing about patents laws. The judge had to give them a crash course in it. Fishy business. So do this mean no galaxy s4. What's next apple going sue Google claiming Android os infringed on apple BS ios
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
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This was all about the older samsung phones I think, I don't see it affecting our current or future galaxy devices.
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jury was a bunch of apple fanboys..
it's really pathetic to let a bunch of people who have no real knowledge when it comes to this kind of stuff let them dictate these type of lawsuits..
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This was all about the older samsung phones I think, I don't see it affecting our current or future galaxy devices.
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I sure hope not. Samsung need to stick it to apple or just development for them all together
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
I wonder if everyone in the jury owns an iPhone 4S in an Otter Box...? The thing I love most about my Samsung GS3 is the fact that it's not an iPhone.
Never stood a chance as this was held literally in Apple's backyard.
As for the future, who knows, but this is a really big deal. With what was granted, no phone maker will come close to an iphone design again for fear of a lawsuit with now a precedent. Worst case is manufacturers start to question if Android is a viable ecosystem considering everything it runs on is probably sue-able by Apple now.
They hopefully stop with Samsung and don't go further as Sammy was their biggest threat. But they might now set their sites on HTC as well and be the final nail in that coffin.
While this is bad enough, I think the worst is because it sets a standard and Apple now has control over what we know the mobile industry today.
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The fact that Samsung were awarded nothing at all in their counter claim just proves that the whole thing was rigged...can't wait for the Note 2. Even before I bought my first Samsung phone I was never fond of apple products and this just increases my stance.
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Does anyone have any links to more on Apple vs Samsung? I coulda swore I read recently that Apple lost to Samsung is another country and now Samsung is suing Apple. Can't find it though :/
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Never stood a chance as this was held literally in Apple's backyard.
As for the future, who knows, but this is a really big deal. With what was granted, no phone maker will come close to an iphone design again for fear of a lawsuit with now a precedent. Worst case is manufacturers start to question if Android is a viable ecosystem considering everything it runs on is probably sue-able by Apple now.
They hopefully stop with Samsung and don't go further as Sammy was their biggest threat. But they might now set their sites on HTC as well and be the final nail in that coffin.
While this is bad enough, I think the worst is because it sets a standard and Apple now has control over what we know the mobile industry today.
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They shouldn't have been allowed such broad patents in the first place. What's next apple going start trying to patent numbers?
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
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Does anyone have any links to more on Apple vs Samsung? I coulda swore I read recently that Apple lost to Samsung is another country and now Samsung is suing Apple. Can't find it though :/
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Apple is now banned from selling the I phones/iPads in south Korea And I think they have to pay Sammy, 22000$? And Samsung has to pay them I think 1300?
But that's just south Korea
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Apple was like I'll give you 10%
Judge was like that's too little
Then both said eureka
The more we charge Samsung the more we both get
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Its gonna be appealed and go on for years.... the judge even did a doulble take on some of the juries verdicts... Apples victory was so lopsided foul play is obvious and should make the appeals a breeze
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Appeals will be fun. Both sides were playing laying the ground with for appeals during the trial incase of a lose.
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Its gonna be appealed and go on for years.... the judge even did a doulble take on some of the juries verdicts... Apples victory was so lopsided foul play is obvious and should make the appeals a breeze
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Love to see apple fall flat on it's face
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
I hate apple for this...
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those guys in the evo lte forum are........ i was trying to alert them but they just started being butts because i type fast. This is not school. I really feel for Samsung here and HTC is no better with the impending doom looming(Apple/Nokia). Its crazy how they got nothing but owe so much and in time this will directly effect customers.....
I hope and pray that them bastards get a taste of their own medicine against moto/Google
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Apple gets no respect for this.
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
http://phandroid.com/2012/08/24/breaking-verdict-reached-in-apple-v-samsung-patent-trial/
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08...ict-in-apple-vs-samsung-case/?test=latestnews
Scorecard so far:
* Jury finds Samsung infringement of Apple utility, design patents for some (though not all) products
* Jury upholds Apple utility, design patents
* Jury upholds Apple trade dress '983
* Jury finds Samsung "diluted" Apple's registered iPhone, iPhone 3 and "Combination iPhone" trade dress on some products, not on others
* No Apple infringement of Samsung utility patents
Damages owed by Samsung:
* $1.05 billion and counting
BS verdict
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
This sucks ass.
Paid verdict. **** apple
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
So what now? Will this affect the S3? Is the S4 gonna be triangle shaped?
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Wow... well u have the most expensive company in the world going another rich company it all comes down to who and what their price is... this is very unfortunate to innovation in the world.. I really do hope someone drops a nuke on the apple head quarters and their affiliates
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In other news.... Ford is suing Chevy for having a button, that if pressed, rolls down your window..
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dcaplinger76 said:
So what now? Will this affect the S3? Is the S4 gonna be triangle shaped?
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1 sided polygons - 11 sided ones have been copyrighted
Same with 13 sided - infinity sided
Apple decided to leave out 12 for fun
I can't wait to see my dodecagon s4
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In other news.... Ford is suing Chevy for having a button, that if pressed, rolls down your window..
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And Apple is suing both of them for using a button for anything
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All this because....Samsung released a iPhone killer product lmao....
So in other news... Motorola Google vs apple
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And Apple is suing both of them for using a button for anything
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lol and this is probably the best reason yet to never buy anything from apple i can understand protecting your ideas but it seems like most of the stuff they didnt even come up with
this sucks. but samsung can sue, when the iphone with LTE comes out samsung can sue apple because of the patents they have for LTE. with the divisons the samsung have they eat the billions, and get the money back with the parts they make for the iphone/ipad they make.
Everyone is complaining....its actually a win! Besides apple how many phones use or are now using samsung chargers? Easiest to use...win one. And you get a samsung for how much compared to apple? With better options, root, etc.
this isnt a loss....its an opening for real things and development for better things even more than apple with restrictions...and so on!
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This is far from a loss, Is apple the Antichrist? yes. is Samsung guilty? Hell ya
Samsung did copy Apple and because they were to lazy and careless, they got caught. Period. Yes, innovation is often achieved on improving and evolving a product of a rival company, but you just have to be a lot more slick about it. They had emails of them admitting it.
Now Samsung will be forced to innovate even harder and this will make our Galaxy 4's even more impressive.
And Android should be safe now the Google got the Motorola patents. They should be able to force Apple into some sort of an agreement, now the Steve Jobs has passed away.
I really hope android platform and look isn't affected by this verdict.
Phuck Apple
Hopefully this won't affect the sales of the S3. My upgrade isn't until Sept 1st and I really want the S3. I hate apple so much. You should see some of the posts I wrote about them on other forums. And if I were Samsung, I would quit making Apple's screens and components for some of their devices..
I dont see it affecting the sale of s3, nexus i thought was supposed to be pulled of shelves..havent seen that yet!
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I dont see it affecting the sale of s3, nexus i thought was supposed to be pulled of shelves..havent seen that yet!
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Remember that lovely little update that crippled your search bar in LF9? Our s3 isn't the only phone that got it. They changed the software in the gnex like ours to pull the "infringing" sh*t
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And Android should be safe now the Google got the Motorola patents. They should be able to force Apple into some sort of an agreement, now the Steve Jobs has passed away.
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And for the record, nobody "passed away". God smited steve jobs from the earth for being a scum piece of sh*t
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2012082510525390&repost=1
Anyone find it hilarous that the original Epic, the one that is most different from the iphones and has a freaking keyboard..., suffered the 2nd most in terms of fines? Also, it's kinda cute that the jurors decided to ignore the concept of prior art to "save time".
Well...To be honest ...this may very well go super nova..or even viral. Meaning this case will see the doors of the u.s. supreme court. Where we all know apple will not stand a chance with such a petty sue. Stay strong Samsung!
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Ha! This made my day. Apple's "God Complex" only blinded them to all the technology they're still dependent of. It's time that Apple gets a taste of their own medicine.
http://mashable.com/2012/08/31/samsung-sue-iphone-5-lte/
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drewmonge said:
Ha! This made my day. Apple's "God Complex" only blinded them to all the technology they're still dependent of. It's time that Apple gets a taste of their own medicine.
http://mashable.com/2012/08/31/samsung-sue-iphone-5-lte/
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I love it! Thanks this made my day
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drewmonge said:
Ha! This made my day. Apple's "God Complex" only blinded them to all the technology they're still dependent of. It's time that Apple gets a taste of their own medicine.
http://mashable.com/2012/08/31/samsung-sue-iphone-5-lte/
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Interesting article, really had to click a link within that article to really read the goods.
From what I think is true, Samsung makes (most) of the processors for the iPhone. Isn't the LTE radio inside the processor? I don't understand what grounds Samsung will have to sue Apple for injecting LTE into their phones when Samsung most likely will provide the radio for Apple. After researching Samsung only owns 12.2% of the LTE patent and I guess has the right to sue Apple.
If Steve Jobs was still alive (RIP) I would say there would be no way Apple would jam LTE into their phones, who knows now though
I still don't understand what grounds of patent infringements Samsung will have to sue Apple, if Samsung wants to recover their money, bump the price for the processors they sell to Apple... haha
If a few of the android phone manufacturers have rights to the patent then Mabry it could become a lot bigger than just Samsung.
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Apple will get what's coming to them
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Doesn't the ipad 3 have lte connectivity?
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Apple is basically shooting themselves in the foot with all this mess. I was never really an iPhone or an iPad fan, and vowed never to get one. But I did still like the MacBook pros and such. Because of their usefulness in stuff like video production and recording. But now after all this patent trolling and manipulation of the patent system, I've vowed never to buy anything Apple related. And I know other people feel the same. They as a company now just make my stomach churn.
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Apple is basically shooting themselves in the foot with all this mess. I was never really an iPhone or an iPad fan, and vowed never to get one. But I did still like the MacBook pros and such. Because of their usefulness in stuff like video production and recording. But now after all this patent trolling and manipulation of the patent system, I've vowed never to buy anything Apple related. And I know other people feel the same. They as a company now just make my stomach churn.
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I work with a few "Apple Fanboys" who, after all this law suite, have sworn away from Apple... they claim the next phone they get will be a Samsung powered Android... haha
Now let's see if they will backup their words... one of them said they are embarrassed to have an iPhone now
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Came across this article, Pay Back is a b+*** lol, I wish they can ban the sales! ^_^
http://m.techcrunch.com/2012/09/10/is-the-next-iphone-in-already-in-patent-trouble/
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g2uzer said:
Came across this article, Pay Back is a b+*** lol, I wish they can ban the sales! ^_^
http://m.techcrunch.com/2012/09/10/is-the-next-iphone-in-already-in-patent-trouble/
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That will be awesome
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Payback is a biitch!!!
Lol
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Awesome for who, exactly? Do you own HTC or Samsung stock or something?
Consumers (i.e. you, me) don't win when products are banned or pulled from the market.
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Awesome for who, exactly? Do you own HTC or Samsung stock or something?
Consumers (i.e. you, me) don't win when products are banned or pulled from the market.
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You are right consumers don't win but maybe in the long run it teach there greedy asses a little lesson which may in turn eventually help us consumers. Companies have worked togethor in ways similar to tuis whole situation for years and the apple decided to be ignorant. If theu would just keep working togethor and let us consumers decide for ourselves instead of trying to force our hands then everyone wins. I understand there are as many faithful apple guys as there are us android guys. People will get what they prefer on there own. I don't care for ios so no matter what happens I will still use an android phone and ios users will still use iphone. It should be our choice. No theres
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Thing is, I know so many people who would only buy an Iphone... I expect to have to order several of the new one's as soon as they're officially available for folks at work...
Exactly just as I would only buy android. That's what I mean it should be our decision all this ban this ban thay sh1t is for the birds. I want to pick what phone I have I don't want apple or samsung as far as that goes to choose for me. I personally chose the galaxy s3 and anyone who wants an iphone and want lte with should have that choice as a consumer. They want android users to not get google now and ios users to not get lte. Bullsh1t we should habe the right to choose whatever the hell we want
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Exactly just as I would only buy android. That's what I mean it should be our decision all this ban this ban thay sh1t is for the birds. I want to pick what phone I have I don't want apple or samsung as far as that goes to choose for me. I personally chose the galaxy s3 and anyone who wants an iphone and want lte with should have that choice as a consumer. They want android users to not get google now and ios users to not get lte. Bullsh1t we should habe the right to choose whatever the hell we want
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tell that to apple who got our Android products banned multiple times and continues to strive to do so. i know that competition is good and always will be but i can't help but get some pleasure seeing them get into trouble for once instead of us Android folk continuously getting it up the behind.
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ky0nkyon said:
tell that to apple who got our Android products banned multiple times and continues to strive to do so. i know that competition is good and always will be but i can't help but get some pleasure seeing them get into trouble for once instead of us Android folk continuously getting it up the behind.
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Funny thing is android is still climbing after all those daggers it is getting from Apple. The numbers speak for themselves.
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Apple should get a taste of its own medicine
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Apple should get a taste of its own medicine
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Exactly!
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Apple should get a taste of its own medicine
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Apple should get a taste of its own medicine
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tgamble160 said:
You are right consumers don't win but maybe in the long run it teach there greedy asses a little lesson which may in turn eventually help us consumers. Companies have worked togethor in ways similar to tuis whole situation for years and the apple decided to be ignorant. If theu would just keep working togethor and let us consumers decide for ourselves instead of trying to force our hands then everyone wins. I understand there are as many faithful apple guys as there are us android guys. People will get what they prefer on there own. I don't care for ios so no matter what happens I will still use an android phone and ios users will still use iphone. It should be our choice. No theres
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Exactly, very well said!!
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Anything that can be done to these super greedy conglomerates is OK in my book
If it were up to Apple, there would be no other option but the iPhone...
Thankfully, it is not up to Apple.
As much as people dislike Apple, think about this.
"The next generation iPhone 5, which Apple Inc. plans to release this week, could not only boost the tech giant's bottom line - but could give a significant boost to the overall U.S. economy."
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Why do people keep comparing a phone to an operating system.
I don't like the iphone, but I do like samsung phones.
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I gave up on apple many years ago when Eve bit that piece of fruit rotten to the core
I always disliked their products. Now after apple sleazy tactics - I hate them.
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verboten said:
As much as people dislike Apple, think about this.
"The next generation iPhone 5, which Apple Inc. plans to release this week, could not only boost the tech giant's bottom line - but could give a significant boost to the overall U.S. economy."
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not if all that money goes outside the country from outsourcing.
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I don't know how to feel about it. No competition is a bad thing, but Apple deserves it.
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So I'm flipping through the channels and come across Tim Cook on ABC. And they show the Samsung Galaxy S3 commercial that shows people waiting for the iPhone. He said apple loves competition, ya right. And now they are talking about getting into TVs. Seems to me that apple is now noticing what us Android owners already know. That they where the leader in the phone bussiness but now left behind.
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What?
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Hes essentially saying this "Android>iOS...why is apple copying ideas from samsung." (For example, the Samsung TV.)
No offense but this thread reallllly is a bit pointless.
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In before the lock
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Did you REALLY use that meme incorrectly?
whyyy
all companies are going to branch out into markets that they are already connected to through competition. apple really hasn't ever invented anything, they've just been extremely good at marketing. it has nothing to do with which phone is better, because there is a user for every phone, it just depends on what you're looking for. i was talking to a girl today who has an iphone and she was like holy **** your phone looks awesome. i showed her all the cool **** i can do on it that she can't on hers, and well... she wasn't impressed at all. she didn't care about rooting, she didn't care about custom keyboards, themes, etc... all she cared about was how nice the screen was, that it was bigger, and that it multitasked better, which is something that apple needs to work on and they know it. so yeah... at least the iphone can copy and paste now!
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all companies are going to branch out into markets that they are already connected to through competition. apple really hasn't ever invented anything, they've just been extremely good at marketing. it has nothing to do with which phone is better, because there is a user for every phone, it just depends on what you're looking for. i was talking to a girl today who has an iphone and she was like holy **** your phone looks awesome. i showed her all the cool **** i can do on it that she can't on hers, and well... she wasn't impressed at all. she didn't care about rooting, she didn't care about custom keyboards, themes, etc... all she cared about was how nice the screen was, that it was bigger, and that it multitasked better, which is something that apple needs to work on and they know it. so yeah... at least the iphone can copy and paste now!
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Some people just don't understand the true power behind this device
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What?
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In before the lock
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Did you REALLY use that meme incorrectly?
whyyy
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I like how 5 posts are all off-topic. lol!
But I agree with OP. Apple's finally realizing they've lost their superiority in the Smartphone world and trying to continue its dominance in the market industry by trying different markets.
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Some people just don't understand the true power behind this device
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Gestures have taken over my life. I can never have a phone without gesture recognition as well implemented as this one.
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I have a friend who is a apple fanboy. He asked me to explain to him why Android is better than Apple. Spent an hour telling him what Android can do compared to apple. At the end, he's still stupid.
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Gestures have taken over my life. I can never have a phone without gesture recognition as well implemented as this one.
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I only use 1 finger gestures. Gets my point across fine
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Ya i saw the lil bit on abc i thought it was freaking funny as hell! "We love competition because it gives us new ideas to call our own" Is what he was really saying... Trying to say we will build one mac in the US... come on apple show us one thing you you actually invented and not just improved on.... LOL
I theorize that apple is just were they want to be. They have their little garden and their fruit too. People are and will be sucked in. I wantedbabtablet 2 years ago but got an itouch. This was very important because I had a phone at the time that had simmilar specs yet slower than molases ona flat table in alaska! People who adopted android early on went to apple because they were fed up with bugs, slowness and the fact they werent really good. Today, this just is NOT the case but people still distrust android even in its late stage. The apple garden offers all their "speed" at a price. You buy all apple and your stuck with it, Cause its so damn expensive! Comparing android to ios is pointless in the wprld of today because the gap has been filled in with cement. I stayed with android after playong in webos and ios. Android won because I saw the potential as the specs just got more and more ridiculus and the battery finally decent enough to have a phone thats useable. If you look back at apples history you can see steve jobs saved the company. So apple being worried is plausable yet highly implausible. Theyve sols too many things to come close to finacial woes. They need an apple tv because people wanted one. So once everyones convinced they arent gonna make one, we'll see one.
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Erm? Apple already has made TVs lol. And monitors for their computers. The only reason apple has so much more money and net worth is because they make 10 times the products android does.. Androids an operating system. Apple is a wide variety of electronics and software unfortunately..
I wish Apple and Android just battle it out old west style. Biggest gun (features) wins. Bringing the law into it seems tasteless. Just let the better device speak for itself.
newworld said:
I have a friend who is a apple fanboy. He asked me to explain to him why Android is better than Apple. Spent an hour telling him what Android can do compared to apple. At the end, he's still stupid.
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This made me lol
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"Apple, intellectual property thieves hiding behind intellectual property laws" They patent open source software then claim they "invented" it, and then sue anyone else who uses it. If they were really so innovative they wouldn't need to sue every company that one ups them, they'd just invent something better.
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