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Poll: Htc dev unlock?

Are you willing to lose the guarantee, by official HTC metod, in order to have S-off or root rights?

Doesn't HTC method just make you loose software warranty ?
I mean, I think hardware problems are still covered after that.
see that on htcdev website :
It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty.
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I need confirmation on that though as I'm not sure

i think physical defects or damages due to unlocking the bootloader, then overclocking and frying the cpu or motherboard will not be covered..
however... if the screen malfunctions, it would be reasonable to uphold the warranty unless there are reasons to believe it is again due to end-users unlocking the bootloader. (ie, maybe the guy unlock the bootloader, overclocked the phone and the heat caused some circuit to melt due to excess heat and this caused the screen to stop working?)
many scenarios, just giving some examples of what i think would mean non-coverage by warranty..

Physical damage can be attributed to unlocked bootloader. Example, heating has destroyed your lcd pannel. Warrenty uncovered. In our case this is not the truth but, to get back your phone what can u do if not pay?!?
Maybe htc is too much honest or maybe not... anyway they have a strong weapon to not recognize it.
from http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader/faq
Why is my security still on (S-On) after I have unlocked my bootloader?
Your device is shipped with Security on (S-ON) to protect your system software configuration (such as the bootloader, radio, boot, recovery, system and others). After you have unlocked the bootloader, however, you will have lifted the restrictions on boot, recovery and system. This means you can customize boot, recovery and system images on your phone as you desire. You can easily see that you have successfully unlocked the bootloader by looking at the top of the screen when entering the bootloader screen. Security is left on to protect things like the radio, and SIM lock.
so, device still be s-on? no way to change radio and hboot? O_O

I will do it with an unofficial tool.
Hopefully the revolutionary tool will be there soon!
I don't want to wait..

torxx said:
I will do it with an unofficial tool.
Hopefully the revolutionary tool will be there soon!
I don't want to wait..
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What's the benefit to doing it this way please?
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If you want to send your phone to HTC, you can bring it back to stock before.
But if you did it with htcdev, HTC can see that you unlocked your Bootloader, so it will be difficult to get your phone repaired.- HTC just won't do anything but they will never know if you used an unoffical tool.

torxx said:
If you want to send your phone to HTC, you can bring it back to stock before.
But if you did it with htcdev, HTC can see that you unlocked your Bootloader, so it will be difficult to get your phone repaired.- HTC just won't do anything but they will never know if you used an unoffical tool.
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Sound good to me, I always like the option to go back to stock for these purposes so I'll wait too
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You can go back to stock after using htcdev, too.
But your Bootloader will be signed of htc, so they know that you did it.

Yea you're right!Hope S-off will come then I don't need to unlock in HTC bootloader~

Has anyone asked the Revolutionary team if the exploit they used before works with the HTC One series and if they will support the device? I assume they will because they tend to follow flagship phones but you never know. Here's hoping we won't have to wait too long.
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I'm sure that they are working on it..

As far as I heard you still have warranty even though you unlocked your bootloader.

Yes of course but if for example your processor is damaged, you will surely not have any warranty on this.

Us vivid users went through heaven and hell to try and unlock the bootloader/achieve s off. Only after some strategic calls to HTC did we even get the official bootloader unlock, we never achieved it.unofficially either. We still don't even have s off so no radio flashing and a more round about way for flashing kernels and recoveries. I really hope the One X will have an unlock bootloader option. HTC wasn't even planning on giving the option until six months after the release. It didn't matter though, our development and most the community was already killed off by the time we got bootloader unlock. Hopefully HTC learned a lesson or the people working on unofficial s off/bootloader unlock have some tricks up their sleeve...
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I was just chatting with HTC and mentioned I had mine bootloader unlocked. He said it voided my warranty as that was stated on HTCDev, but I said HTCDev only says its void certain parts off the warranty.
But in e-mail I got from HTC they state, you do not get warranty when you are running an custom rom, so I guess we need put it back to stock and lock the bootloader.
Then there should be no problem with warranty.

DexterMorganNL said:
I was just chatting with HTC and mentioned I had mine bootloader unlocked. He said it voided my warranty as that was stated on HTCDev, but I said HTCDev only says its void certain parts off the warranty.
But in e-mail I got from HTC they state, you do not get warranty when you are running an custom rom, so I guess we need put it back to stock and lock the bootloader.
Then there should be no problem with warranty.
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Yes, there still is a problem. Never again will your hboot read "locked", it will only show up as "relocked", so you still aren't quite out of the water.
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Yes that's true, but I believe you can just use your warranty. The guys in chat who say you voided it don't know what they talking about.
If you really send it in for warranty then they should just fix it. But best we can do is relock it.

DexterMorganNL said:
Yes that's true, but I believe you can just use your warranty. The guys in chat who say you voided it don't know what they talking about.
If you really send it in for warranty then they should just fix it. But best we can do is relock it.
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Actually, a stock-looking rooted ROM will do the trick. I've heard enumerable amounts of people saying the people at HTC didn't even look to see if the device was rooted or bootloader unlocked. I really don't think they are that picky.

slapshot30 said:
Actually, a stock-looking rooted ROM will do the trick. I've heard enumerable amounts of people saying the people at HTC didn't even look to see if the device was rooted or bootloader unlocked. I really don't think they are that picky.
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I think so to. But atleast I would load the original non rooted stock rom on it. I only get the bootloader from Evo 3D to get show relocked and under it still says s-off, but I guess that's from revolutionary and I don't know how to get rid off that, but I will just leave it like this.
I have heard enough stories that peoples HTC got fixed with an unlocked bootloader and some even with an custom rom. And how big is the chance someone really ever going need use the warranty?
I think its quite small. But I'm not going unlock the HTC One X i think as it should be fast enough even without an custom rom.
I don't want HTC to know it and we should have an unlock method that is fully reversible, at HTC Desire HD we had that, with on click you had it back s-on.

Unlocking trought htcdev.com works

http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader/
Select the Option "All other Supported Models" and follow the instructions.
After this process, your device show "*** UNLOCKED ***" and "SHIP S-ON"

blubbers said:
http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader/
Select the Option "All other Supported Models" and follow the instructions.
After this process, your device show "*** UNLOCKED ***" and "SHIP S-ON"
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...better wait for a time like revolutionary for a real S-OFF method.
Wonder how people can to this htc unclock without worries about their warranty.

I will wait for Revolutionary personally. More flexibility to flash radios, hboots, etc.
EDIT: And kernels (boot.img)

Confirmed. Unlock works.
SHIP S-OFF RL

I understand that unlocking your device via htcdev.com will irreversibly void your warranty, but is that also the case, if I unlock my device with the stuff from the revolutionary team ?
I never had a device, which could be unlocked that way. My first two android phones were Motorolas and they could always be converted back to stock, for sending them in for repairing or for selling them.

thedoginthewok said:
I understand that unlocking your device via htcdev.com will irreversibly void your warranty, but is that also the case, if I unlock my device with the stuff from the revolutionary team ?
I never had a device, which could be unlocked that way. My first two android phones were Motorolas and they could always be converted back to stock, for sending them in for repairing or for selling them.
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You probably can still revert completely back to stock, the point is that if you use htcdev.com they've got a record of the phone being unlocked (even if you return it to stock again), whereas if you do it yourself then revert it they wouldn't know it had been unlocked in the first place.

That sounds great, thank you.

Thank you !
Like the other I prefer another method...

i will also wait for revolutionary^^
luckily there is temp root so i can delete the crap i dont use
cant wait for it to come so i can flash the first coredroid beta on it^^

Temp Root isnt working...

If we use the htcdev.com or revolutionary HTC will find out that the phone was unlocked!

moom999 said:
If we use the htcdev.com or revolutionary HTC will find out that the phone was unlocked!
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No. Revolutionary is reversible. But htcdev does keep a record forever. However, that doesn't screw you out of every single warranty like many think. Only a small number of software issues, otherwise you still have warranty. We will see how long many of you will wait for revolutionary before you cave in and unlock through htcdev lol. All of us vivid users never got anything other than htcdev unlock. All the devs working on s off told us that HTC made it a hell of a lot harder to crack the newer phones.
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About htcdev unlock. They log your imei and serial number, yes. BUT the only thing you'll get after that is the posibility to unlock your device. Once we get Revolutionary s-off and then the ability to s-on again, how will they know if you really used the possibility to unlock your device? There's a final warning so no evidence you finally used it
Hopefully revolutionary team may be able to use the htc unlock method

Any way I just unlock it now using htcdev
Because I want it to try the temp-root to see if it will work with unlocked but did not work.
As I understood with unlocking using htcdev I still have the warranty for the hardware or I just lost all the warranty?

So just confirming that the htcdev unlock does not let the temp root work?

slapshot30 said:
No. Revolutionary is reversible. But htcdev does keep a record forever. However, that doesn't screw you out of every single warranty like many think. Only a small number of software issues, otherwise you still have warranty. We will see how long many of you will wait for revolutionary before you cave in and unlock through htcdev lol. All of us vivid users never got anything other than htcdev unlock. All the devs working on s off told us that HTC made it a hell of a lot harder to crack the newer phones.
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Being on the rezound I agree. And also the fact that before my rezound I sent back a dinc2 completed rooted because of hardware problems and had no issues.
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robt772000 said:
So just confirming that the htcdev unlock does not let the temp root work?
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Yes, confirmed

moom999 said:
As I understood with unlocking using htcdev I still have the warranty for the hardware or I just lost all the warranty?
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That's right, you still got most of your warranty intact..
HTCDEV.com said:
It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty.
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So; in some cases, not all, where the damage is caused by unlocking warranty will not be valid.

if the temp root doesnt work after the htcdev unlock why would you then wanna use it and tell them what you did^^

I've got permaroot working with an unlock by htcdev. Wai for mike to update his thread

HTC phone with a relocked bootloader warranty

Did anyone know HTC will fix a phone with relocked bootloader for free?
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keroro430 said:
Did anyone know HTC will fix a phone with relocked bootloader for free?
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I asked HTC about this sort of thing since unlocking and installing a custom ROM isn't likely to break hardware and they basically said that each case is looked at individually. If they have to install a stock ROM they'll charge you for it but otherwise you might be ok.

That means I can flash back to the stock rom and they might fix the relocked phone. Am I right?

You can always try. I think the whole "warranty may be void!" thing is for people trying to send back bricked phones that they've bricked trying to flash custom ROMs and then claiming warranty repairs. The worst that happens is they say no.

S-off

Hey!
If I unlock my phone now via htcdev, s-on I guess, am I able to make it s-off later via 'custom' procedure?
Thanks for answer
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Your details will be logged with HTC so pointless. If you can wait then best to wait or if you just want to go ahead you can unlock via HTC dev.
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i dont care about my logged details on htcdev.
the main point is that i can be sure that its be possible to make it s-off *after* unlocking with htcdev.

stiffmast3r said:
i dont care about my logged details on htcdev.
the main point is that i can be sure that its be possible to make it s-off *after* unlocking with htcdev.
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Pretty sure it can still be done (going S-OFF) if you "relock" the device through HTC Dev.

oh, i can relock it via htcdev? cool....
i have no experience with htcdev, and have my "HOX" (new name for the one X? saw it sametimes here ) since yesterday.
maybe its better to wait 1 week or 2, but ima flashaholic....
i must do it, I MUST DO IT!!!!!111

stiffmast3r said:
oh, i can relock it via htcdev? cool....
i have no experience with htcdev, and have my "HOX" (new name for the one X? saw it sametimes here ) since yesterday.
maybe its better to wait 1 week or 2, but ima flashaholic....
i must do it, I MUST DO IT!!!!!111
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Yeah I think it's possible. Keep in mind that a "relocked" device is not the same thing as "locked" device. HTC will know that your device has been unlocked and the warranty is still less then with a locked device!

yeah, i think the warranty is not a big problem, i got a "good guy" at a store

Yes but if you want to send the device off to HTC for a warranty repair a year down the line that's where the issue will kick in. Hence making sense to wait for S-OFF. And potentially for resale value a locked bootloader sounds better than a relocked bootloader.
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I've heard HTC don't care if its unlocked. My friend told me as long as your issue isn't from overclocking till it fries or something, they don't care and will take it.
Plus with s-off, you can erase all traces on the phone that it was unlocked. Of course HTC probably still knows since you submitted but I've read and my friends told me HTC don't really care as long as you didn't cause it thru software.
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[Q] S-OFF HTC One V

Hi everyone i googled a lot about s-off for htc one v, but there is no normal info how to do that... so there is now way to do that or i dont know something?

The one V can't get s-off indeed.
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So without setting up s-off i cant change cid?
lars1216 said:
The one V can't get s-off indeed.
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nutonas said:
So without setting up s-off i cant change cid?
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no u can't
sent from my sexy Nexy

s-off
nutonas said:
Hi everyone i googled a lot about s-off for htc one v, but there is no normal info how to do that... so there is now way to do that or i dont know something?
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There are only hardware solutions [which don't make a lot of sense for a common end user]. lg(e) tool & riff box both offer methods for s-off on gsm one v. A local repair shop might have one of these tools. I have a riff box, but that doesn't do many ppl very good. No soft-unlock; I agree with previous posters there.

Can you post the pic sir? Cuz i dont hear any of that b4
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danishaznita said:
Can you post the pic sir? Cuz i dont hear any of that b4
sent from my katana
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Sure, as soon as I get cdma support for same.. I carry a Virgin Mobile [as of today].
The sticky part is you have to have a jtag tool.. found out medusa box also supports htc one v. Then, possibly even more sticky, you have to disassemble your phone and use testpoint to disable your emmc. Lots of people have totally screwed their phones not following that hairy step.. The rest is quite easy should you have and read your respective jtag support literature.
Rob

I don't think people will be willing to dissemble their phones for s-off
What i mean to say that its too risky
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aashukmehta said:
I don't think people will be willing to dissemble their phones for s-off
What i mean to say that its too risky
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I totally agree with you. S-OFF really is not needed unless you're a true developer. And by that I mean, unless you are wanting to look at and tweak your bootloader and/or radio.. why does one even need S-OFF? The HTC unlock should work just fine for 95% or more of the people out there. Those that dare to need more... they'll just have to pay to play [or take that risk].
Regards,
Rob

insink71 said:
I totally agree with you. S-OFF really is not needed unless you're a true developer. And by that I mean, unless you are wanting to look at and tweak your bootloader and/or radio.. why does one even need S-OFF? The HTC unlock should work just fine for 95% or more of the people out there. Those that dare to need more... they'll just have to pay to play [or take that risk].
Regards,
Rob
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CDMA ver should got S-OFF , GSM yet no S-Off yet.
S-OFF is super useful for who want to do custom rom/kernel without breaking the warranty because you can unlock BL without via HTC unlock and lock BL again at anytime when you want to send it back to HTC service centre.

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TheEndHK said:
CDMA ver should got S-OFF , GSM yet no S-Off yet.
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1) GSM is supported T320e PK7610000 by riff box, lg(e) tool, medusa, and possibly others; CDMA is not PK7630000.
S-OFF is super useful for who want to do custom rom/kernel without breaking the warranty because you can unlock BL without via HTC unlock and lock BL again at anytime when you want to send it back to HTC service centre.
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2) S-Off voids your warranty the same as HTC unlock. Talk to anyone who ever used the xtc-clip, and see how easy it is to S-On after S-Off.
You can customize both roms and kernels with HTC unlock. The only restraints are as I mentioned before: your stuck on latest bootloader and radio cannot be tampered with [or switched to another carrier]. That's pretty much it. The differences in a nutshell.
Rob

insink71 said:
1) GSM is supported T320e PK7610000 by riff box, lg(e) tool, medusa, and possibly others; CDMA is not PK7630000.
2) S-Off voids your warranty the same as HTC unlock. Talk to anyone who ever used the xtc-clip, and see how easy it is to S-On after S-Off.
You can customize both roms and kernels with HTC unlock. The only restraints are as I mentioned before: your stuck on latest bootloader and radio cannot be tampered with [or switched to another carrier]. That's pretty much it. The differences in a nutshell.
Rob
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There have been some One Vs that shipped with S-OFF

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MameTozhio said:
There have been some One Vs that shipped with S-OFF
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Companies, including HTC, do make a limited number of S-off devices [typically for qualcomm developers or the carrier development teams]. These have occasionally been shipped out in error to regular customers. It is like finding a golden easter egg though, not typical. In those rare cases HTC might take phone back [to save face since ultimately was a shipping error] but typically s-off will void a warranty. Truthfully though, if you have a s-off device, one would rarely need to utilize warranty. 99% of issues out there can be fixed with software [patches, replacing binaries, kernels, etc.] Only time warranty is needed is when hardware fails; which, hasn't happened to me ever i the many devices I've owned.
Rob
Only hardware faults I've seen with this particular model [HTC One V] are bad/fried emmc chips and/or bad resistor from emmc. These typically come from people that have tried to defeat the emmc write protection [purposefully or unwittingly]. Unfortunately, this is why with these devices test point must be used [which shorts the emmc disabling the write protection] or indeed hardware damage could occur to your device [if your determined to try but attempt to write w/o disabling the write protection]. Do I believe many will actually partially disassemble their phone for s-off? Nope. Will I still work on and publish [safe] method if I can? Yep. Hardware failures on this device are denoted by dropping into qhsusb_dload mode [w/o invoking it properly through test point].

insink71 said:
1) GSM is supported T320e PK7610000 by riff box, lg(e) tool, medusa, and possibly others; CDMA is not PK7630000.
2) S-Off voids your warranty the same as HTC unlock. Talk to anyone who ever used the xtc-clip, and see how easy it is to S-On after S-Off.
You can customize both roms and kernels with HTC unlock. The only restraints are as I mentioned before: your stuck on latest bootloader and radio cannot be tampered with [or switched to another carrier]. That's pretty much it. The differences in a nutshell.
Rob
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I don't know GSM got S-OFF now. Can you give me the link?
However, I don't fully agree S-OFF voids warranty as HTC said the only way to loss warranty is via HTC Lock Website and they can have an official record about you agree to loss the warranty. There are little devices ship with S-OFF. HTC doesn't willing to repair them?
One more stuff about S-OFF. You can flash the rom with kernel together in recovery mode and don't need to flash the kernel via fastboot separately.

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TheEndHK said:
I don't know GSM got S-OFF now. Can you give me the link?
However, I don't fully agree S-OFF voids warranty as HTC said the only way to loss warranty is via HTC Lock Website and they can have an official record about you agree to loss the warranty. There are little devices ship with S-OFF. HTC doesn't willing to repair them?
One more stuff about S-OFF. You can flash the rom with kernel together in recovery mode and don't need to flash the kernel via fastboot separately.
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S-Off used to void warranty.. there used to be [probably still is] a checksum in bootloader.. you call a htc repair shop for rma and they will request you boot the phone to bootloader, run the test, and read them the numbers. That test tells if a device has been tampered with, and in my experience, s-off devices couldn't get RMAs ::shrug::
Ok links are to hardware tools [which cost money] but can s-off gsm devices:
http://www.jtagbox.com/jtag-news/riff-jtag-htc-t320e-htc-primo-unbrick-unlock-supercid-imei-repair-supported/
http://www.lgtool.net/phones/htc.html
http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/f664/medusa-box-v1-7-5-htc-repair-via-usb-added-1639081/
There may be others..
Regards
Rob

insink71 said:
S-Off used to void warranty.. there used to be [probably still is] a checksum in bootloader.. you call a htc repair shop for rma and they will request you boot the phone to bootloader, run the test, and read them the numbers. That test tells if a device has been tampered with, and in my experience, s-off devices couldn't get RMAs ::shrug::
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Thanks for your links.
But with S-OFF, you can remove the tampered status in bootloader.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2357624
I read it here from HTC One. You can even change it back to S-ON before you send it to HTC service center.

tampered flag not the same as checksum test, but yep [once s-off] should be able to remove tampered flag.
Some S-off solutions can S-on; Some cannot. For hope in the matter, always run a full dump [preferably on a clean, factory reset device] before you s-off.
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insink71 said:
tampered flag not the same as checksum test, but yep [once s-off] should be able to remove tampered flag. checksums called image crc in bootloader.
Some S-off solutions can S-on; Some cannot. For hope in the matter, always run a full dump [preferably on a clean, factory reset device] before you s-off.
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Sent from my HTC One V using Tapatalk 4

so what's the benefits of s-off?
and what''s the difference from s-on and s-off devices?
i just begin to learn all these things

jasperlin1996 said:
so what's the benefits of s-off?
and what''s the difference from s-on and s-off devices?
i just begin to learn all these things
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google is your friend mate.....
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insink71 said:
S-Off used to void warranty.. there used to be [probably still is] a checksum in bootloader.. you call a htc repair shop for rma and they will request you boot the phone to bootloader, run the test, and read them the numbers. That test tells if a device has been tampered with, and in my experience, s-off devices couldn't get RMAs ::shrug::
Ok links are to hardware tools [which cost money] but can s-off gsm devices:
http://www.jtagbox.com/jtag-news/riff-jtag-htc-t320e-htc-primo-unbrick-unlock-supercid-imei-repair-supported/
http://www.lgtool.net/phones/htc.html
http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/f664/medusa-box-v1-7-5-htc-repair-via-usb-added-1639081/
There may be others..
Regards
Rob
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I was told that s-off can easily brick the phone.