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Windows Phone 7 represents a radical leap in the way the filesystem is presented to the user compared to WinMo. No longer will the user be able to access the true, underlying filesystem in any direct way - the OS will abstract the file system to a single view of all files - making no distinction between files stored on internal flash, or removable storage, or even striped across both similar to RAID0. The file system functions as a Virtual Unified Storage system.
WP7 will support SD cards, but the functionality is different now. The user data is striped across the SD card and the internal storage. This results in functionality similar to RAID0 - if a member disk is pulled from the set, the entire set ceases to function. Similarly, in WP7, if an SD card is pulled from a deployed device, the device will go into a "reduced functionality" mode - where you are only able to make emergency calls. Upon re-inserting the SD, the data is restored and the system functions normally as it would before the card was pulled. If the card or its data is not available (got corrupted, lost, eaten) - The phone must be "hard reset" to restore full functionality and all user data will be lost.
My guess is this was at least partly done as a method to lock down the security of marketplace apps.
I can see some advantages in this, in that it doesn't matter to a user whether it's on the memory card or on device, but will this completely screw up using the device as a USB storage device?
Thanks for the info! Would this have similar benefits of raid0 (increased performance w/sd card)? I guess if you want to upgrade your card it sounds like you'll have to give it a hard reset. That sounds like it could be a bit of an issue for many users. I wonder if, while it may allow support for an sd card, they may eventually only support non-removable cards because of that?
Makes me wonder why bother then? We all know that sd/micro/minis have a tendancy to corrupt after a year or so (depending on use) so surely its bloody pointless??
Just rely on the internal storage like iphone etc.
timmymarsh said:
Makes me wonder why bother then? We all know that sd/micro/minis have a tendancy to corrupt after a year or so (depending on use) so surely its bloody pointless??
Just rely on the internal storage like iphone etc.
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I'd rather have it user removable such that it can be upgraded\expanded.
Also, if the card isn't constantly removed\inserted and is of a decent quality, then it'll probably last the life of the phone.
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Makes me wonder why bother then? We all know that sd/micro/minis have a tendancy to corrupt after a year or so (depending on use) so surely its bloody pointless??
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I think that this is just a new requirement, and OEMs had been developing devices with SD cards, so it accomodates this fact.
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I'd rather have it user removable such that it can be upgraded\expanded.
Also, if the card isn't constantly removed\inserted and is of a decent quality, then it'll probably last the life of the phone.
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But which is more reliable? built-in memory like iphone or SD cards?
For those of you interested in why they would want to use a MicroSD card inside the device instead of just soldering a flash chip on the board and the issues that can come with MicroSD, here's a great blog post on the topic.
because... of course we can all "simply" solder a flash chip on the PCB...
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because... of course we can all "simply" solder a flash chip on the PCB...
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I was referring to the manufacturers. Read that blog post by a very, very, smart guy (he hacked the original xbox) and it will make sense.
Removable storage??
What do you mean removable storage? Last I heard it was all non removable?
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Windows Phone 7 represents a radical leap in the way the filesystem is presented to the user compared to WinMo. No longer will the user be able to access the true, underlying filesystem in any direct way - the OS will abstract the file system to a single view of all files - making no distinction between files stored on internal flash, or removable storage, or even striped across both similar to RAID0. The file system functions as a Virtual Unified Storage system.
WP7 will support SD cards, but the functionality is different now. The user data is striped across the SD card and the internal storage. This results in functionality similar to RAID0 - if a member disk is pulled from the set, the entire set ceases to function. Similarly, in WP7, if an SD card is pulled from a deployed device, the device will go into a "reduced functionality" mode - where you are only able to make emergency calls. Upon re-inserting the SD, the data is restored and the system functions normally as it would before the card was pulled. If the card or its data is not available (got corrupted, lost, eaten) - The phone must be "hard reset" to restore full functionality and all user data will be lost.
My guess is this was at least partly done as a method to lock down the security of marketplace apps.
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Hi ..
Im just want to know if My HTC HD2 can run Win Mo 7 ?
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WP7 will support SD cards, but the functionality is different now. The user data is striped across the SD card and the internal storage. This results in functionality similar to RAID0 - if a member disk is pulled from the set, the entire set ceases to function. Similarly, in WP7, if an SD card is pulled from a deployed device, the device will go into a "reduced functionality" mode - where you are only able to make emergency calls. Upon re-inserting the SD, the data is restored and the system functions normally as it would before the card was pulled. If the card or its data is not available (got corrupted, lost, eaten) - The phone must be "hard reset" to restore full functionality and all user data will be lost.
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Is there anything which indicates how large of an SD card WP7 can use? Apparently initially phones will only come with 8 GB of memory, and that on an internal card. That seems way too small if you wanted to store music and videos.Would it concievably be possible, as soon as you bought the phone, before anything additional is loaded, to pull the card, copy everything to a 32 GB card and reinsert it?
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Is there anything which indicates how large of an SD card WP7 can use? Apparently initially phones will only come with 8 GB of memory, and that on an internal card. That seems way too small if you wanted to store music and videos.Would it concievably be possible, as soon as you bought the phone, before anything additional is loaded, to pull the card, copy everything to a 32 GB card and reinsert it?
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8GB is the minimum spec. There will certainly be devices with larger amounts of storage. It should support at least 32GB.
How is this a performance benefit if most consumer SDs are rated Class 2 (i.e dog slow) and many people prefer to be able to swap cards at will? Class 6 cards are usually pretty expensive, and swapping SD cards on-the-fly is not uncommon...
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We all know that sd/micro/minis have a tendancy to corrupt after a year or so (depending on use) so surely its bloody pointless??
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We do? I've never had a flash card go bad.
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What do you mean removable storage? Last I heard it was all non removable?
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WM7 phones will have an external storage card slot but it will become apart of the internal drive and not be used in the since of what we currently use it. when an external sd is inserted it is formatted to becomes part of the main internal drive something like a raid system so if you pull out the sd card phone will not boot until you put it back in, and i do believe this is also the same if you replace the card you might have to hard reset to get the phone to work.
A fred has a test device with 40g (8 internal and a 32g SD card)
You can access the filesystem with the "Remote Tools Framework" along with a filesystem plugin that wraps the Sirep services.
The sirep background services must be running on the device. Unfortunately these need to be flashed in or inserted via imageupdate.
Sirep is the sucesssor of rapi. Some tools include wpget, wpput, wprun etc.
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if a member disk is pulled from the set, the entire set ceases to function ......... Upon re-inserting the SD, the data is restored and the system functions normally as it would before the card was pulled. If the card or its data is not available (got corrupted, lost, eaten) - The phone must be "hard reset" to restore full functionality and all user data will be lost.
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So, that being said.
Whilst Its a well known fact that "external media" such as Micro SD cards will not be user accessable, would it be possible to manually replace the cards?
For example, if a user dared to dismantle his/her device to access the card.
Then remove it, copy the partition on there to a larger piece of media, extend the partition to fill the card & then place that back before re-constructing the rest of the device.
Do you know if that could work, or are there measures put into place which prevent this? I guess some manufacturers may glue cards in, but that can be got around. I mean software wise, would doing this mess up the opperation of the device?
If that wouldnt work, then how about simply replacing the card & doing a hard reset? Any idea if it would simply accomodate the new card?
Im just trying to think of work-arounds as I know many people will be dissapointed with the variety of 8GB devices out there.
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So, that being said.
Whilst Its a well known fact that "external media" such as Micro SD cards will not be user accessable, would it be possible to manually replace the cards?
For example, if a user dared to dismantle his/her device to access the card.
Then remove it, copy the partition on there to a larger piece of media, extend the partition to fill the card & then place that back before re-constructing the rest of the device.
Do you know if that could work, or are there measures put into place which prevent this? I guess some manufacturers may glue cards in, but that can be got around. I mean software wise, would doing this mess up the opperation of the device?
If that wouldnt work, then how about simply replacing the card & doing a hard reset? Any idea if it would simply accomodate the new card?
Im just trying to think of work-arounds as I know many people will be dissapointed with the variety of 8GB devices out there.
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From what I've heard, the last option there, with forcing a hard reset is likely to be the only one that works, but it should work. OEMs may well glue down the microSD cards though.
I think quite a few devices will be using microSD cards internally, as it lets you release 3 versions of a device with different storage sizes very easily (just slot in an 8GB, 16GB or 32GB uSD card and release it).
I also doubt there will be many only 8GB devices. I know we've only seen leaks of 8GB devices, but it makes sense to test on slightly cheaper hardware, and make sure the OS works on the bare minimum of hardware.
If this is true how can you transfer your files to phone.
This is the reason why I never would buy an iphone and why I sold my ipad.
Now galxy nexus is also going this way.
Well then I must say bye bye galxy nexus.
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If you use Windows, it shows up as a device below where your drive letters are in Explorer. Click on the device, then click on Internal storage and you see folders. Works fine. It just won't have a drive letter like USB Mass Storage does.
That said, it's definitely slower than the mass storage version.
It's not just the Galaxy Nexus, its Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0) in general.
MTP - It's fast, it works great. It also allows you to access files from your PC AND the phone at the same time!
Not true. Please use the search, this has been discussed many times.
ICS supports USB mass storage, just not for the built-in memory. If the Nexus had a microSD slot, it would be accessible via USB mass storage.
And it should be pointed out that the advantage to all this is that you have all your internal space available for both apps/data and your photo/media/other storage. There's no fixed amount for apps anymore. You can fill your device with gigs of apps, or gigs of music and videos, or any combination. Also, no need to move apps to the SD card. And you don't lose the SD card storage from the phone when you connect by USB like you do with mass storage. (note that by "SD card" I mean either a real SD card, or a partition that pretends to be one, like how pre-ICS phones handle internal storage)
It's up to your own individual use and preference as to whether this is "better" or not. But the above is the justification for it. Personally, I don't care as long as I can still easily transfer to and from the phone, which I can.
It should also be noted that some people have experienced issues with MTP (the alternative ICS is using instead of USB mass storage). It's worked fine for me (though slower, as noted), but some people have reported problems.
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And it should be pointed out that the advantage to all this is that you have all your internal space available for both apps/data and your photo/media/other storage. There's no fixed amount for apps anymore. You can fill your device with gigs of apps, or gigs of music and videos, or any combination. Also, no need to move apps to the SD card. And you don't lose the SD card storage from the phone when you connect by USB like you do with mass storage. (note that by "SD card" I mean either a real SD card, or a partition that pretends to be one, like how pre-ICS phones handle internal storage)
It's up to your own individual use and preference as to whether this is "better" or not. But the above is the justification for it. Personally, I don't care as long as I can still easily transfer to and from the phone, which I can.
It should also be noted that some people have experienced issues with MTP (the alternative ICS is using instead of USB mass storage). It's worked fine for me (though slower, as noted), but some people have reported problems.
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Exactly! Finally somebody laid it out there in plain english!!!
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And it should be pointed out that the advantage to all this is that you have all your internal space available for both apps/data and your photo/media/other storage. There's no fixed amount for apps anymore. You can fill your device with gigs of apps, or gigs of music and videos, or any combination. Also, no need to move apps to the SD card. And you don't lose the SD card storage from the phone when you connect by USB like you do with mass storage. (note that by "SD card" I mean either a real SD card, or a partition that pretends to be one, like how pre-ICS phones handle internal storage)
It's up to your own individual use and preference as to whether this is "better" or not. But the above is the justification for it. Personally, I don't care as long as I can still easily transfer to and from the phone, which I can.
It should also be noted that some people have experienced issues with MTP (the alternative ICS is using instead of USB mass storage). It's worked fine for me (though slower, as noted), but some people have reported problems.
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this. and emphasis on it's slower than usb mass storage. and/or samsung used some low quality memory.
phazerorg said:
And it should be pointed out that the advantage to all this is that you have all your internal space available for both apps/data and your photo/media/other storage. There's no fixed amount for apps anymore. You can fill your device with gigs of apps, or gigs of music and videos, or any combination. Also, no need to move apps to the SD card. And you don't lose the SD card storage from the phone when you connect by USB like you do with mass storage. (note that by "SD card" I mean either a real SD card, or a partition that pretends to be one, like how pre-ICS phones handle internal storage)
It's up to your own individual use and preference as to whether this is "better" or not. But the above is the justification for it. Personally, I don't care as long as I can still easily transfer to and from the phone, which I can.
It should also be noted that some people have experienced issues with MTP (the alternative ICS is using instead of USB mass storage). It's worked fine for me (though slower, as noted), but some people have reported problems.
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wow, thanks for explaining it in plain English
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It's not just the Galaxy Nexus, its Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0) in general.
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No it's not, the nexus s on ice cream sandwich has USB mass storage.
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syntrix said:
MTP - It's fast, it works great. It also allows you to access files from your PC AND the phone at the same time!
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It's not fast. If you consider slow as molasses fast. I wish it still had USB mass storage mode. Why did they get rid of it? What's the advantage besides it being slower so you have enough time to water the lawn, watch it grow and mow it before your files finish transferring over?
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It's not fast. If you consider slow as molasses fast. I wish it still had USB mass storage mode. Why did they get rid of it? What's the advantage besides it being slower so you have enough time to water the lawn, watch it grow and mow it before your files finish transferring over?
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You can actually use the phone ...like stated before, the entire phone is one partition, and if you had USB msm, you wouldn't be able to use the GN...at least that's how I understand it
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Neo3D said:
It's not fast. If you consider slow as molasses fast. I wish it still had USB mass storage mode. Why did they get rid of it? What's the advantage besides it being slower so you have enough time to water the lawn, watch it grow and mow it before your files finish transferring over?
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did you not read the prior posts explaining this?
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"And it should be pointed out that the advantage to all this is that you have all your internal space available for both apps/data and your photo/media/other storage. There's no fixed amount for apps anymore. You can fill your device with gigs of apps, or gigs of music and videos, or any combination. Also, no need to move apps to the SD card. And you don't lose the SD card storage from the phone when you connect by USB like you do with mass storage. (note that by "SD card" I mean either a real SD card, or a partition that pretends to be one, like how pre-ICS phones handle internal storage)"
This means you will no longer get force closes from your app storage partition filling up(datadata folder).
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did you not read the prior posts explaining this?
quoted from phazeorg
"And it should be pointed out that the advantage to all this is that you have all your internal space available for both apps/data and your photo/media/other storage. There's no fixed amount for apps anymore. You can fill your device with gigs of apps, or gigs of music and videos, or any combination. Also, no need to move apps to the SD card. And you don't lose the SD card storage from the phone when you connect by USB like you do with mass storage. (note that by "SD card" I mean either a real SD card, or a partition that pretends to be one, like how pre-ICS phones handle internal storage)"
This means you will no longer get force closes from your app storage partition filling up(datadata folder).
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So, there's no way to just have 1 partition for all data/app/OS unless they got rid of USB MS Mode? I wish they gave us the option instead of forcing it on us, like Apple likes to do with their customers.
For myself, I don't really care if the phone storage goes into a "standby mode" when I have to copy files to it. It would copy SO MUCH FASTER that I wouldn't even have to worry about not being able to use my phone while copying files to it. But, noooo, instead, I have to wait 45min to copy a 2.5gb movie onto it.
Sure, I can use the phone while it's copying, but the phone is tied to a computer for 45 min!
Ideally, I see the great benefit in not having a separate "SD card" partition, but why can't they just have one partition and USB Mass Storage Mode?
Seems like Google's always taking 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
I can't believe how much whining and misinformation is in this thread. First of all, its not that slow. It doesn't take 45 minutes to transfer a 2.5gb movie . I can do it over wifi faster than that. Second, Google didn't "screw anyone over" or fail to give you an option or turn into some awful overlord or something, and the complaining on this level is ridiculous.
If you want to be able to use your entire 16/32gb of storage, it then the entire drive needs to be one partition. That partition can't be mounted as an external USB drive when plugged in to your computer because doing so would require unmounting it from your phone, meaning the phone would be unmounting the partition on which the operating system is stored. It should be obvious why that isn't done.
Finally, this isn't a limitation in ice cream sandwich, it has to do with the way the galaxy nexus is setup. As mentioned, a Nexus S running ICS will happily run in USB storage mode when connected to a computer, because it has a separate partition for he virtual SD card.
MTP works fine and the difference is not apparent to most users. There's nothing wrong with it.
my new $700 superphone can't run in USB storage mode #firstworldproblems
Neo3D said:
Ideally, I see the great benefit in not having a separate "SD card" partition, but why can't they just have one partition and USB Mass Storage Mode?
Seems like Google's always taking 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
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Is this really that hard for people to understand? If they did what you're asking for, your smartphone would quit working as a umm... phone every time you plugged it into a computer to transfer over some files.
If you don't like it, wait 6 weeks for another phone to come out with ICS and removable SD storage.
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Sure, I can use the phone while it's copying, but the phone is tied to a computer for 45 min!
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Wait... what?!! No idea what's going on with yours but under 10 mins here for 2.8GB file.
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Is this really that hard for people to understand? If they did what you're asking for, your smartphone would quit working as a umm... phone every time you plugged it into a computer to transfer over some files.
If you don't like it, wait 6 weeks for another phone to come out with ICS and removable SD storage.
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Agreed.
Personally, I love what Google did. Just plug it into a PC and it automatically connects to the phone for you. Simple, easy. Tbh, it is way faster than my Desire anyway so I am not fussed.
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So, there's no way to just have 1 partition for all data/app/OS unless they got rid of USB MS Mode? I wish they gave us the option instead of forcing it on us, like Apple likes to do with their customers.
For myself, I don't really care if the phone storage goes into a "standby mode" when I have to copy files to it. It would copy SO MUCH FASTER that I wouldn't even have to worry about not being able to use my phone while copying files to it. But, noooo, instead, I have to wait 45min to copy a 2.5gb movie onto it.
Sure, I can use the phone while it's copying, but the phone is tied to a computer for 45 min!
Ideally, I see the great benefit in not having a separate "SD card" partition, but why can't they just have one partition and USB Mass Storage Mode?
Seems like Google's always taking 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
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I will gladly take your gnex off your hands if it bothers you that bad. 450.00?
Stadsport said:
I can't believe how much whining and misinformation is in this thread. First of all, its not that slow. It doesn't take 45 minutes to transfer a 2.5gb movie .
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MTP works fine and the difference is not apparent to most users. There's nothing wrong with it.
my new $700 superphone can't run in USB storage mode #firstworldproblems
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Tell that to my Nexus:
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This is about 2.5GB of pictures from my old phone's SD card (copied to SSD first), on a fresh install of Win7x64.
Benefits are, so far, heavily outweighed by the long transfer times.
-bZj
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Tell that to my Nexus:
This is about 2.5GB of pictures from my old phone's SD card (copied to SSD first), on a fresh install of Win7x64.
Benefits are, so far, heavily outweighed by the long transfer times.
-bZj
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You've got some kind of problem there that may or may not be specifically related to your nexus. I would check to make sure that you're running the latest drivers on your pc. I moved several 1-2GB movies onto my nexus the other day and it was fast enough that I didn't pay attention to how long it took (certainly less than 10 minutes).
Ok i'm a bit of a noob so bare with me here... i have a 32GB SD card i'm using on my Galaxy E4GT but it only shows up as a folder in my "internal" SD so i cant really use it other then dead storage to make space.. i want the internal SD to be gone and just be phone memory so then my External SD card can be my other main memory .. so in a nutshell i guess i'm asking to be able to get rid of the "internal" SD and give its space to the actual phone and for the only other memory to be my External SD.. can this be done? and how?
I really don't understand what you're trying to ask, but I think you're confused about how external storage is being stored.
For starters, the internal SD can not be deleted. It's not even an option, it's like, taking the transmission out of a car. The car won't work. Your phone needs it's internal storage.
Your external storage is *mounted* (Google it) as /sdcard/external_sd/, meaning Android conveniently creates a "shorcut" folder to your external SD in your internal SD. Very similar to how when you plug in your phone to your WIndows computer, you see a new "Drive" in "My Computer".
Now that I re-read your message, I believe you're thinking your /external_sd/ folder is limited to the size of the internal SD (which is 16 GB). Like I explained, it's simply a shortcut for you. You're *not* limited to the size of the internal SD. In there is your 32GB external SD.
Hope I helped.
I think his problem is kind of what I was asking in my music thread. On the OG epic everything downloaded went straight to external sd storage. While I know it didn't have dual storage like this phone. This phone seems to not use the link to the external storage correct.
For example everytime I DL music from a playlist no matter what app it goes to the internal memory, not to the external memory. It seems that there needs to be a way to have the external memory link not sit inside a place in the internal memory so that downloads go there. Right now most of the time they sit in .../sdcard rather than find there way to .../sdcard/external_sd (or whatever it is).
I saw a link somewhere for a different device to swap internal and external but didn't get a chance to read it yet. that may solve the problem but i'm not sure. I wish it worked as easy as the OG epic so I could put my music playlists onto external and have them play/show up correctly.
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Hit the nail on the head.. Thats exactly what I'm talking about... The phone turns your External SD Card into dead storage space.. You can't run anything from inside it (Like Music or Games) and you can't make it your main SD Memory. What I want to know is how can I merge the "Internal SD" with the "Phone's Memory" to make them one.. So that the only two forms of memory on the phone are "Phone Memory" and "External SD Card".
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you can't... it wouldn't make sense to want to be able to do that..
you could, through some hackery, switch the mount points and make external show as /sdcard and internal as /sdcard/external_sd for whatever reason.. but without repartitioning your phone... you aren't going to be able to do much more..
im still kind of lost on what is wrong with the internal sd?
btw music plays just fine from the external, and you can install games to and from the external.. i think you may have a misunderstanding of how it works..
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Hit the nail on the head.. Thats exactly what I'm talking about... The phone turns your External SD Card into dead storage space.. You can't run anything from inside it (Like Music or Games) and you can't make it your main SD Memory. What I want to know is how can I merge the "Internal SD" with the "Phone's Memory" to make them one.. So that the only two forms of memory on the phone are "Phone Memory" and "External SD Card".
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What? I am able to play all my music stored on the /external_sd/music folder without issues. I am using poweramp though
I guess if you could modify the fstab file you might be able to have it in a way so it ignores the 'internal SD' and links it directly to the real SD card. Now if the phone will be able to work properly afterward is another issue but I don't see why not.
I understand music plays fine one moved there. I haven't tried poweramp yet. But for instance with double twist or Amazon mp3 when you sync playlists or any song it saves to internal memory without any option to sync to external. If you move the music to external the playlist won't work anymore. Yes the song will play but no playlist without remaking it.
I have no problems with using internal but it fills up pretty quick. As far as games I don't have any comment as I just leave those on internal memory. Thanks for the responses though. And maybe I'll try and use power amp to sync playlists.
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I understand music plays fine one moved there. I haven't tried poweramp yet. But for instance with double twist or Amazon mp3 when you sync playlists or any song it saves to internal memory without any option to sync to external. If you move the music to external the playlist won't work anymore. Yes the song will play but no playlist without remaking it.
I have no problems with using internal but it fills up pretty quick. As far as games I don't have any comment as I just leave those on internal memory. Thanks for the responses though. And maybe I'll try and use power amp to sync playlists.
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Yeah, moving it after youve sync'd it most definately won't work, if it's saved to that location then you move it from that location, it's going to keep looking for it in the original location.
I've never used Amazon Mp3 or DoubleTwist, so I can't say maybe you guys are missing an option. Make sure you throroughly read and check all available settings in both programs.
All I know is that the externsl SD does not become dead storage, as I use mine everyday and play music, videos, view pictures, move/zip CWM backups, everything.
Maybe you can try uninstalling Amazon Mp3 /Doubletwist, reinstall, then before running it even once move it to your external SD. Then run it/set it up once it's in your external SD. Maybe that'll force it to save to your external SD.
I know its not dead space, haha. I wasn't completing about that, and I searched all over, its those apps. Google music is the same. There were numerous complaints on all there websites about not having a choice where to DL to, making the extremal in dual storage phones like ours, become useless when trying to get playlist off our computers onto them.
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Ok as for music i use Google music and my offline music wont show when moved to External SD.. games is the same.. they just dont look for the External SD directory... im assuming that there is just one big hunk of memory in the phone and its partitioned into two parts (Phone Memory and Internal SD). If i can get rid of the partition that separates the two and just make it so that its all just phone memory without Internal SD.. the phone would be faster wouldn't it? and when i use my SD card it will just show up as SD card leaving only two sources to save or move things around to? again i could be way off and totaly wrong.. im only a noob at this point but im open to wisdom and learning as much as i can since im going to be a android user FOREVER
I am using "Media Monkey", and have no problems copying to the external SD. As a matter of fact, all of my music is sitting on the external. Its also (I think) the best music app available...
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I guess my question is the 500mb of RAM just partitioned off the mass storage sd internal like the 2gb of memory for apps? Or is it 500mb chip in there seperate some where? Which im guessing it ia since it would have to run at a faster clock than the internal sd can
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bluefire808 said:
I guess my question is the 500mb of RAM just partitioned off the mass storage sd internal like the 2gb of memory for apps? Or is it 500mb chip in there seperate some where? Which im guessing it ia since it would have to run at a faster clock than the internal sd can
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Its my understanding that the memory used by the applications and RAM is shared on the same chipset that it's separate from the storage (internal SD) chipset. Checking the teardowns on http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Samsung-Epic-4G-Touch-Teardown/6481/2 shows that 16GB chip being separate but the one that holds the RAM and internal app storage is not described there.
Actually what the op is asking can work. It would need kernel changes tho and mappings of partitions changed. So that the primary partition (where the OS is installed) becomes say 1gb. Then the rest goes to internal storage (where all apps go.) Then nothings left for a "internal SD." Then the SD card can be used as the only storage.
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Actually what the op is asking can work. It would need kernel changes tho and mappings of partitions changed. So that the primary partition (where the OS is installed) becomes say 1gb. Then the rest goes to internal storage (where all apps go.) Then nothings left for a "internal SD." Then the SD card can be used as the only storage.
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OMG! YES! Finally someone who truly understands what im saying... you said it much better then i did for sure.. but yes thats exactly it.. i heard of someone doing work on this but i cant find the thread anymore.. it was called "*something* partition Mod" but it was for some other phone... if this could be done it would truly make my day and my phone would be perfect! im willing to help make it happen how ever i can ... unfortunately i dont know anything about coding or kernels but if there is another way i can help jus let me know.
I agree this phone does handle memory in a retarded way. Like for example when you move apps to sd it shows your available internal space but when you switch the app it goes to the actual sd card. So you'll notice that as you're switching them the amount available in internal is not decreasing but when you check your sd space you'll notice its memory decreased. However all my music is on the sd and I have no issue with it playing or creating playlists. Maybe you moved the files to sd and you had created the playlist while it was on internal so now it can't find it.. For the most part you can go into most apps setting and change between which memory you want to store internal or sd.
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Yes I can create playlist and play them on the external. The problem is I have Some big playlists on my comp I want to put onto external without having to recreate them. So far I've been unsuccessful. I do need to try media play still though.
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Is there any way to mount the S3 as a disk drive, like I could do on my HTC Evo.
The problem I am having as my new car only recognizes devices as mass storage, mounted as a disk drive. So when i plug it in for music it doesn not recognize the files.
My Galaxy is rooted so any if there is anyway to have an option to mount as a disk drive would be great.
Thanks
Will
stealth-twinturbo said:
Is there any way to mount the S3 as a disk drive, like I could do on my HTC Evo.
The problem I am having as my new car only recognizes devices as mass storage, mounted as a disk drive. So when i plug it in for music it doesn not recognize the files.
My Galaxy is rooted so any if there is anyway to have an option to mount as a disk drive would be great.
Thanks
Will
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Nor possible. I you can only mount external sd card
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stealth-twinturbo said:
Is there any way to mount the S3 as a disk drive, like I could do on my HTC Evo.
The problem I am having as my new car only recognizes devices as mass storage, mounted as a disk drive. So when i plug it in for music it doesn not recognize the files.
My Galaxy is rooted so any if there is anyway to have an option to mount as a disk drive would be great.
Thanks
Will
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Don't think we have a way yet. I feel your pain.I f*cking hate MTP.despise it infact.give it time tho I'm sure someone will get it
I have all my music on a external micro sd card, and its still not able to mount as a disk drive. Is there a way to just mount the external SD card??
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yeah I'm about to return this pos phone! Damn MTP bull**** I can't syncrhonize folders anymore to backup sd card! What bull****.. not only that so far wireless and mobile has been slower than my EVO 3D. I can't believe people can say this phone is better it has all sorts of issues that make it worse.
No USB Mass Storage
Data speeds seem horrible compared to EVO's
SG3 UMS I can't get to work either
I use Link2SD and every damn time I boot this phone up it goes through optimizing my 255 applications! What the heck? The more I use this phone the worse it seems not better!
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No USB Mass Storage
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True
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Data speeds seem horrible compared to EVO's
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Dont know about EVO, but this phone gives me the best data speed I've ever gotten, way better than on my old 4G slider.
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SG3 UMS I can't get to work either
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Thats because there is no UMS, as mentioned earlier in your rant. However, MTD has worked pretty well for me, transfered 2000+ songs over using MediaMonkey. You can also transfer other file types in explorer or use ES File explorer to wirelessly transfer files between computers on a shared network. I suspect that the downside of UMS (having to unmount storage from the phone in order to connect it to a PC) may have caused enough problems to convince Sammy to give up on it altogether.
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I use Link2SD and every damn time I boot this phone up it goes through optimizing my 255 applications! What the heck? The more I use this phone the worse it seems not better!
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Sounds like a problem with Link2SD. This doesn't happen on my phone. My phone boots very quickly.
Curious, why are you moving apps anyway? Have you filled up the 16gig already or are you just so used to a phone with limited storage that you do it by habit? I ask because I've got about 80 apps on my phone including about 10 big apps, and have only used about 1.8 of the 12 gig internal storage available for apps.
I had limited space.. but Link2SD I can play with ROMS and do a wipe minus ext4 partition and than reinstall link2SD and relink all my apps.. no slow Titanium that locks up restore or other slow app backup restores.
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I had limited space.. but Link2SD I can play with ROMS and do a wipe minus ext4 partition and than reinstall link2SD and relink all my apps.. no slow Titanium that locks up restore or other slow app backup restores.
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Ahh.....lots of wiping and rom flashing. Could it be that reflashing roms and not restoring apps normally is the cause of the constant optimizing on boot? Something not getting properly linked? Going from odexed to deodexed roms?
Try this...
This is for the international version, but it might work (not really sure, I didn't read but I remember seeing this on the xda news page for the s3)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1711009
It basically makes your external sd available as usb mass storage.
Not working for the sprint s3 yet. I've been trying to get it to work from the first day I got the s3. I love this phone for most part... but Samsung not allowing ums on it with usb is the biggest screw up ever on this phone. It's like the Greek hero Achilles with his one major flaw...
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yeah I'm about to return this pos phone! Damn MTP bull**** I can't syncrhonize folders anymore to backup sd card! What bull****.. not only that so far wireless and mobile has been slower than my EVO 3D. I can't believe people can say this phone is better it has all sorts of issues that make it worse.
No USB Mass Storage
Data speeds seem horrible compared to EVO's
SG3 UMS I can't get to work either
I use Link2SD and every damn time I boot this phone up it goes through optimizing my 255 applications! What the heck? The more I use this phone the worse it seems not better!
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Man... It sounds like it's time you get the Sprint HTC One X variant. Oh that's right. No SD card or changable battery. I'll stay right where I am. The SGS3 is the best phone on Sprint. Full stop.
Another option
This was made for the U.S. versions of the S3... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1768752
Try that.
Yes this works for ext SdCard! Root + BusyBox + SGS3 Easy UMS
Mount internal or copy full "image"
Hi you guys!
Been reading a lot on this topic and its odd but it seems noone has a solution to these issues.
I have a similar problem.
Used the internal storage for photos due the speed differences and made a factory reset.. Normaly no problems but i forgot the rescent photos and that dropbox only backs up while on WiFi.
And all this happnes during time at the hospital while my wife gives birth tomour wonderful daughter, AND I DELETED ALL THE PHOTOS!
So if anyone can serve me up with a solution to eigher mount the internal storage in some thing less complicated than rocket science or some way to rip the full memoryblocks to a image file to be able to "rescue" the photos that way by mounting that image.
So if any of you guys have any thing to recommend id love that. ; )
Ill keep digging the forum now...
You can also try this -
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mohammadag.samsungusbmassstorageenabler&hl=en
Thanks. But thats only for the external SD. The internal is were i had my pictures. : (
Any ony else got any great ideas.
Dropbox syncs pics from DCIM/Camera folder to PC
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Thanks. But thats only for the external SD. The internal is were i had my pictures. : (
Any ony else got any great ideas.
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I use ES File Mgr to move the jpg's to the DCIM/Camera folder and then use Dropbox to auto-synch to my PC. Anything in DCIM/Camera shows up in my Dropbox as soon as I get within range of a wifi hotspot. I think Google+ also syncs the pics.
Before owning the Note 2, I had the S3. The problem with the scared happens on both phones.
When I first got the Note, I removed the sdcard from the S3 and put it straight into the Note.
No media showed up. Formatted in phone, transferred media, all working as it should.
Today, add a video to card, doesn't show. Add a photo, doesn't show.
Format card, transfer media. Nothing shows up.
Am reluctant to buy another card as I tried three Cards in the S3, and the problem was present with all of them.
PS using root explorer I can find all the media, and play them in their respective apps.
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saldawop said:
Before owning the Note 2, I had the S3. The problem with the scared happens on both phones.
When I first got the Note, I removed the sdcard from the S3 and put it straight into the Note.
No media showed up. Formatted in phone, transferred media, all working as it should.
Today, add a video to card, doesn't show. Add a photo, doesn't show.
Format card, transfer media. Nothing shows up.
Am reluctant to buy another card as I tried three Cards in the S3, and the problem was present with all of them.
PS using root explorer I can find all the media, and play them in their respective apps.
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solution might be here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1410262
Thanks, for some reason that works for my videos, but not with photos and music!!!!
And that is more of a workaround than a solution. Ideally I would like for it to work as it should. Impossible for me to go back to stock as I will always need root to vieww my media(ok, I will probably always be rooted, but I want the option)
Edit: tried again and my music and photos are now showing (using Directory Bind)
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Ive had issues like this on my EVO. Try installing a "media scan" app from the market. It rescans all media content on the phone and then if you want you can remove the app after its done. I had 2 years worth of photos on my 16GB SD class 10 and no pictures or video thumbnails / pictures at all would show. Ran the app and fixed all the issues.
I did try a couple of those apps yesterday.I dont know if either one worked.I mean I know nothing showed up, but it was as though they never actually run.
Same issue
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I tried formatting several times and copied the data back, nothing helped. Also copying files from my comp to the sd card and internal storage in the phone is very slow. I bought the device yesterday, its stock unrooted.
I don't believe media (pictures/video) show up until mediascanner detects them and sticks in some internal database.
So just copying files onto your external card and popping it in isn't going to work.
media scanner is normally triggered during a reboot, and some apps can trigger it. (generally via 'rescan media' buttons).
Also make sure you don't have a .nomedia file there, as that causes media scanner to skip the directory.
( media scanner can really grind on directories with tons of files )
- Frank
ChodTheWacko said:
I don't believe media (pictures/video) show up until mediascanner detects them and sticks in some internal database.
So just copying files onto your external card and popping it in isn't going to work.
media scanner is normally triggered during a reboot, and some apps can trigger it. (generally via 'rescan media' buttons).
Also make sure you don't have a .nomedia file there, as that causes media scanner to skip the directory.
( media scanner can really grind on directories with tons of files )
- Frank
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I tried a different memory card from my old Sensation and it read the files perfectly... can any of you help me with the copying speed.. it took me 35 mins to copy 1.20GB... just to be sure i i tried to copy the same date using the same data cable and the same usb port, onto my wildfire, and it copied it pretty fast. Any idea ?
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I tried a different memory card from my old Sensation and it read the files perfectly... can any of you help me with the copying speed.. it took me 35 mins to copy 1.20GB... just to be sure i i tried to copy the same date using the same data cable and the same usb port, onto my wildfire, and it copied it pretty fast. Any idea ?
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It sounds like the Sensation card just has slower transfer rates. While your wildfire has faster transfer rates but you are experience issues on the phone side.
Just to confirm, you have formatted both cards the same way and one works and the other doesn't? If possible try to format the card from the phone. Have you tried a sandisk card?
Daniel
dachness said:
It sounds like the Sensation card just has slower transfer rates. While your wildfire has faster transfer rates but you are experience issues on the phone side.
Just to confirm, you have formatted both cards the same way and one works and the other doesn't? If possible try to format the card from the phone. Have you tried a sandisk card?
Daniel
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Both the cards are Sandisk 8gb cards, both formatted on the Note 2. I transferred data to card A when its in the wildfire, i formatted the card and put it in the note and formatted it again, and tried to copy the same data to card A, it takes more than 3times the amount of time... data transfer has been slow to the card while its in the note
I have read somewhere that there is a " .nomedia " folder somewhere. Delete that and see what happens.
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I have read somewhere that there is a " .nomedia " folder somewhere. Delete that and see what happens.
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Also on top of that, when you formatted the SDCard did you format in the PC or in your phone through recovery? You will want to format through recovery.
I would recommend upgrading to an ext partition and then formatting again (if you don't need the ext). I have found that even formatting the SDCard on some roms (because the way they work) it doesn't wipe everything and upgrading the to ext actually changes the file system of the SDCard rather than a quick format. Then only copy your media back to the card. Dont copy everything like .android, data, and stuff like that. Just what you want to keep.
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Both the cards are Sandisk 8gb cards, both formatted on the Note 2. I transferred data to card A when its in the wildfire, i formatted the card and put it in the note and formatted it again, and tried to copy the same data to card A, it takes more than 3times the amount of time... data transfer has been slow to the card while its in the note
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Is there any chance you have a counterfeit Sandisk card? Did you buy it from an authorized dealer? If buying from Amazon make sure you only purchase directly from amazon, LLC and not a third party vendor.
For reference which sandisk card do you have what class is it rated at?
Daniel
No the card is legit, i got it in the box when i bought the HTC Sensation and worked fine on the sensation. It has good copying speed if i put it in another device like my wildfire even now. I checked copying speeds yesterday using the same card in my wildfire and my new note, but it takes forever to copy data to the card while its in the Note. I have not rooted my Note yet. Its factory stock as of now.
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I have read somewhere that there is a " .nomedia " folder somewhere. Delete that and see what happens.
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Tried that, and it worked. thanks.... But still having data transfer speed issues... i copied data to the internal memory and even that is slow... this problem is not limited to only my sd card, but also the internal memory
If your internal memory is slow I would consider that cause for concern. Perhaps try running benchmarks and comparing your results to those in the benchmark thread. It may be worth returning it for another phone if you can't find a solution soon.
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No the card is legit, i got it in the box when i bought the HTC Sensation and worked fine on the sensation. It has good copying speed if i put it in another device like my wildfire even now. I checked copying speeds yesterday using the same card in my wildfire and my new note, but it takes forever to copy data to the card while its in the Note. I have not rooted my Note yet. Its factory stock as of now.
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Tried that, and it worked. thanks.... But still having data transfer speed issues... i copied data to the internal memory and even that is slow... this problem is not limited to only my sd card, but also the internal memory
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you might have to reinstall your rom
Isn't the speed difference just to do with the way the Note 2 connects to the pc? I.E MTP as opposed to mass storage? I seem to recall my G.F's original Note is dog slow at data transfer in MTP but much faster in USB mode....shame the Note 2 can't do this, it's one of my reservations about buying it.
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Isn't the speed difference just to do with the way the Note 2 connects to the pc? I.E MTP as opposed to mass storage? I seem to recall my G.F's original Note is dog slow at data transfer in MTP but much faster in USB mode....shame the Note 2 can't do this, it's one of my reservations about buying it.
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Now it makes sense to me, thanks :good:
Is there any way to connect in USB mode rather than MTP??
Can I ask if anyone else suffers from the same problem as raised in the OP?
I would imagine its not "the norm" and yet I have had the same issue on both the S3 and Note 2.
Whilst, it is now working, I am having to use Directory Bind, for it to do so.
I put in a new 64GB card on Saturday, recognised straight away in Settings/Storage, formatted fine in the phone giving me 59+GB of free space.
Put media on it...nothing shows.
I cant ever see my phone not being rooted so it can be worked around,but it just seems strange that I have had this on both phones and yet nobody else seems to suffer from it.
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Now it makes sense to me, thanks :good:
Is there any way to connect in USB mode rather than MTP??
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For whatever reason I don't think Samsung enabled USB mass storage mode on either the S3 or the Note 2. It's the one thing that's holding me back from buying one at the moment because I use iTunes Agent to sync with iTunes, and that requires the device to be in mass storage mode when connected to the pc (or you can take the sd card out and put it in a reader, but I don't like to take the back off too many times as most phones end up getting really creaky). It's a real shame because I'm just itching to get one.
Have a look in the GS3 forum - I think there's a thread where someone has created an app that enables you to toggle USB mass storage mode, but I think you might have to be rooted and have a custom kernel. Don't quote me, that's from memory
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Can I ask if anyone else suffers from the same problem as raised in the OP?
I would imagine its not "the norm" and yet I have had the same issue on both the S3 and Note 2.
Whilst, it is now working, I am having to use Directory Bind, for it to do so.
I put in a new 64GB card on Saturday, recognised straight away in Settings/Storage, formatted fine in the phone giving me 59+GB of free space.
Put media on it...nothing shows.
I cant ever see my phone not being rooted so it can be worked around,but it just seems strange that I have had this on both phones and yet nobody else seems to suffer from it.
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There are a couple of threads about this I think now. I browsed some last night. Sorry, I'm only on my phone at the moment so it's a bit awkward to try and find a link for you (what with having a Sensation with only a 4.3" screen They'll be on the first page or two I think.
My girlfriend's original Note had a similar problem with photos and media after connecting an external hard drive. Going into settings/apps and clearing data on the media storage app followed by a reboot sorted the problem for her.