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What? Unlimited "won't" extend to LTE...

I was reading cnet and I came across this article. We all know by now about Sprint transitioning toward LTE, but what I didn't know according to cnet "Of course, this won’t extend to LTE, but offering unlimited 3G and WiMAX plans may be enough to keep many customers from jumping ship until Sprint’s a bit more competitive in the LTE market."
I thought we keep our unlimited data plan, after all I am paying $10 extra for the so called 4G, and when Sprints 4G speed catches up to all the other carriers, I have to switch to a capped plan?! I hope this is not true.
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http://m.intomobile.com/2011/12/05/sprint-launch-lte-devices-2h-2012/?page=1

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprints-first-lte-handsets-coming-second-half-2012/2011-12-05
Article in OP seems out of context.
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xcharles718 said:
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprints-first-lte-handsets-coming-second-half-2012/2011-12-05
Article in OP seems out of context.
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I read this before, what caught my attention is that folks on 3G and "clearwire 4G" keep their unlimited plan. So if I want 4G LTE, I have to switch plans?

Maybe I'm a bit jaded, but i've learned to expect nothing in concessions or good will from Sprint. There is a clear movement toward penny pinching with current subscribers (fees, SERO) and crowd pleasing with new subscribers (iPhone, "unlimited" data... for a fee).
Who knows, maybe they parlay the current premium data fee into a double-premium data $20 fee for LTE devices, with a $10 admin fee. Probably not, but rewind two years and ask yourself if you'd expect them to do what they did in the last 6 quarters...

It will probably depend on the success of current spectrum deals and LTE rollout speed. Sprint's LTE on its own is not enough because they have only half the spectrum of Verizon. However, if Clearwire and Lightsquared successfully develop their LTE networks, then Sprint may still be able to offer unlimited 4G LTE to subscribers.

Jayavarman said:
It will probably depend on the success of current spectrum deals and LTE rollout speed. Sprint's LTE on its own is not enough because they have only half the spectrum of Verizon. However, if Clearwire and Lightsquared successfully develop their LTE networks, then Sprint may still be able to offer unlimited 4G LTE to subscribers.
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Hmm... ok. Well would it be worth it to stay with Sprint IF they limit data since Sprint's LTE is apparently only half of what Verizon has?
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niv3d said:
Hmm... ok. Well would it be worth it to stay with Sprint IF they limit data since Sprint's LTE is apparently only half of what Verizon has?
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If unlimited data plans disappear, I will probably leave Sprint. But it will also depend on pricing and coverage where I live at the time.

Jayavarman said:
If unlimited data plans disappear, I will probably leave Sprint. But it will also depend on pricing and coverage where I live at the time.
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+1 for me also

Alex1x said:
I thought we keep our unlimited data plan, after all I am paying $10 extra for the so called 4G, and when Sprints 4G speed catches up to all the other carriers, I have to switch to a capped plan?! I hope this is not true.
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That is funny.. A while ago I was on the phone and I was *****ing at sprint in my most professional manner and I said that.. "I'm paying extra for this 4g that I can't even take advantage of because of my area" The lady was quick to correct me and call it the premium data package. I love how they change the wording to avoid issue.
I'm confident that I too wil be leaving sprint. My bill really isn't much cheaper than my friends who have Verizon or ATT. Pretty much what pushed me over the edge was when they got rid of my ability to upgrade every year and then also took away the 1 year contract. I'll more than likely buy whatever phone I want and never be held to a contract again but the value in me being able to get a new phone every year and sell my old one.. Well that was too good to pass up. With out that ability.. See ya.
One thing I found crazy is that Sprint has a deadline for when they expect to have their LTE deployment finished. That really makes me feel like where I live.. I will never see it. I doubt that they are still deploying WiMax and their 3G network is absolutely slooooowwwww.
If it were not for the Galaxy S II with a notification light I might not be with sprint now hahah.

tuna-83 said:
That is funny.. A while ago I was on the phone and I was *****ing at sprint in my most professional manner and I said that.. "I'm paying extra for this 4g that I can't even take advantage of because of my area" The lady was quick to correct me and call it the premium data package. I love how they change the wording to avoid issue.
I'm confident that I too wil be leaving sprint. My bill really isn't much cheaper than my friends who have Verizon or ATT. Pretty much what pushed me over the edge was when they got rid of my ability to upgrade every year and then also took away the 1 year contract. I'll more than likely buy whatever phone I want and never be held to a contract again but the value in me being able to get a new phone every year and sell my old one.. Well that was too good to pass up. With out that ability.. See ya.
One thing I found crazy is that Sprint has a deadline for when they expect to have their LTE deployment finished. That really makes me feel like where I live.. I will never see it. I doubt that they are still deploying WiMax and their 3G network is absolutely slooooowwwww.
If it were not for the Galaxy S II with a notification light I might not be with sprint now hahah.
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I too am switching...this Thursday or Friday when the galaxy nexus arrives. I'm going to take advantage of Verizon's awesome service in my area, that's almost 2mbps 3g and over 20mbps lte, my employer discount of 19 percent, double data promotion and the Google supported galaxy nexus.
Coming from sprints 200 kbps 3g speeds here and no 4g, this is gonna be a hell of an upgrade.
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Jayavarman said:
If unlimited data plans disappear, I will probably leave Sprint. But it will also depend on pricing and coverage where I live at the time.
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Well said.

Jayavarman said:
If unlimited data plans disappear, I will probably leave Sprint. But it will also depend on pricing and coverage where I live at the time.
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Same for me

I've been waiting for 3G to be fixed in Milwaukee since 2009 when I had the Hero. Every month I get a new excuse that they're upgrading the towers in my area later on in the month.
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I really wish that the people leaving would stop threatening it and just do it.
These idle threats have been going on since January on XDA.
Leave. Please, so we can get back to actual discussions about android and developing etc instead of whining about a problem with a simple solution to no end.

Err0rist said:
I've been waiting for 3G to be fixed in Milwaukee since 2009 when I had the Hero. Every month I get a new excuse that they're upgrading the towers in my area later on in the month.
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Data here in Wauwatosa is sometimes fast, sometimes slow. Just sitting in my house, I can go from 150KBps (kiloBYTES) to 5KBps in the same evening from one day to the next at the same general time.
However, when I'm in Chicago, Sprint has far better data speeds than my co-workers who are on Verizon.
So weird.

To clear up one misconception: we're not paying the $10 for 4G. Sprint stopped claiming that early on. It's on all premium phones, even the ones that don't support 4G. They claim it's a premium for premium phones which are more likely to use the network more heavily. No tie directly to 4G at all anymore.

Dalmus said:
Data here in Wauwatosa is sometimes fast, sometimes slow. Just sitting in my house, I can go from 150KBps (kiloBYTES) to 5KBps in the same evening from one day to the next at the same general time.
However, when I'm in Chicago, Sprint has far better data speeds than my co-workers who are on Verizon.
So weird.
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Anecdotal speed test conducted today at a Chicago area Starbucks:
My ET4G w/ EK02 modem: 4 megabit down
Friend's Thunderbolt LTE CM7: 17 megabit down
We ended up tethering my phone off his device so he can play around with it and render a few commonly visited webpages to "experience" dual core/1gb ram.
He's gonna buy the Nexus Prime off-contract next week D:

I always forget about 4g, since we don't (officially) have it in the Milwaukee area.
The one unofficial 4g tower I'm ever around (near the airport) gives me about 12mbit. Of course, in that area I pull almost 2mbit on 3g there...
I know the sprint 4g towers have a very short range... Once I get more than a mile away from the 4g, the speeds drop dramatically fast. Knowing Sprint, they probably have just four towers covering all of Chicago.
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I never see anything over 250 kpbs at home, sometimes it's lower than 30 kbps. I can't drive and stream music or even watch youtube videos on 3G. When I had my hero (2009) I was getting 1.3mbps constant.There's no way they've been working on the towers for over a year with no results. We're paying for 3G and 4G and not getting either.
There's a rumor on the sprint forum that sprint sold half of their towers to cricket mobile.
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Alex1x said:
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Here's how I honestly read this article:
Yadda yadda yadda... yadda yadda yadda...
....yadda yadda yadda...
....yadda yadda yadda...
nothing new here at all...
...same ol' stuff we've been talking about for several months....yadda yadda yadda...
...yadda yadda yadda.... unsubstantiated claim with absolutely no evidence and in fact evidence to the contrary likely put in the article to cause drama and increase viewership...yadda yadda yadda...
end.
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Can stay with sprint or leave in april, what to do?

So my contract is up in April, or I can upgrade to a newer phone (maybe if the Galaxy Nexus is available by then I would get that). But what should I do?
I currently have a sprint airave at my house so signal isn't a big issue, although today our internet went down for a couple hours and on my stock prl I couldn't even get a data connection, and using a verizon roaming prl which was stuck in 1x I got around .15mbs down.
But my question is this;
I've heard that sprint is "doing tower upgrades" and they will start to rollout LTE sometime before the end of the year. But verizon already has LTE in my area (super fast..around 20mbs down) But I would have to pay more, and I would be capped. But what does having "truely unlimited data" mean if you can't even get a data connection?.
Is what sprint is doing with their network even worth it?, Or should I just say bye?. I've heard rumors that sprint is moving towards having some kind of a data cap anyways.

Sprint is in fact doing tower upgrades. They have been working hard in the area i live in particular and i have noticed data speed increases. I work at a place that offers sprint, att, and verizon services. We have a sprint Representative that visits about once a week or so and has been pretty open with us about upcoming changes in the past. Through today, i have yet to hear about a data cap, however did hear about their premium data pack that is required may* go up to $15 and other plans may go up as well, to help "cover costs" of the unlimited data. Sprint is cheaper when going to unlimited data, texts, and such. Based off the plans available where i work, switching to Verizon for similar service (except LTE) would cost around $10-$15 more plus tax's, fees, ect.. plus the initial $35 activation fee (assuming you only have 1 line?)

I've been trying to figure out the same thing, upgrade should be available in March/April and whether to upgrade, wait for newer phones or jump ship. I was getting really bad speeds but recent upgrades in my area have made things a lot better.

tempe38 said:
I've been trying to figure out the same thing, upgrade should be available in March/April and whether to upgrade, wait for newer phones or jump ship. I was getting really bad speeds but recent upgrades in my area have made things a lot better.
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Yeah I looked on that network map and they have done a "data capacity" upgrade, but a data speed upgrade is "within next 6 months"
I have an at&t phone for work and the coverage is really good, and I have a verizon LTE card for internet at work and that is around 20mbps. My sprint phone (at home, WITHOUT the airave on) gets around .05mpbs down, if I can even get a data connection. Which I am really glad sprint gave me the airave, but its basically just VOIP. If they really wanted to help out you'd think they would've offered something that didnt require your internet connection...kinda like those wilson electronic antennas.

I too am thinking about the same thing. My contract is up in April, and 3g speeds in my area have been HORRIBLE the past year, I haven't gotten above 100kbps on sprint's 3g in over a year. Completely unusable at times.
I would love to switch to verizon, as their 3g works great (about 1500-2000kbps) and the 4g is amazing (at least 20mbps down in my area). However, I have the same dilemma as you. If I had access to those kind of speeds, I could actually do things that I want to, like stream live tv while at work. However, I have ran the numbers, and even with the 10gb data cap, I would go over that every month.
So to me, it's just not worth paying 80 bucks a month just for data if I am going to have to keep worrying about going over the cap. Luckily, I have the Verizon prl which I an switch to once in a while to actually get decent data speeds. I wil ljust have to live with that until sprint gets lte up and running.

ronartest2005 said:
So my contract is up in April, or I can upgrade to a newer phone (maybe if the Galaxy Nexus is available by then I would get that). But what should I do?
I currently have a sprint airave at my house so signal isn't a big issue, although today our internet went down for a couple hours and on my stock prl I couldn't even get a data connection, and using a verizon roaming prl which was stuck in 1x I got around .15mbs down.
But my question is this;
I've heard that sprint is "doing tower upgrades" and they will start to rollout LTE sometime before the end of the year. But verizon already has LTE in my area (super fast..around 20mbs down) But I would have to pay more, and I would be capped. But what does having "truely unlimited data" mean if you can't even get a data connection?.
Is what sprint is doing with their network even worth it?, Or should I just say bye?. I've heard rumors that sprint is moving towards having some kind of a data cap anyways.
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One thing to remember about data... as long as you don't change your plan they have to let you keep it. think of it in terms of your minutes. plans are always changing and often a year or so after they offer a plan, they no longer offer that same plan, but you get to keep it as long as you never change.and from my understnading if you are a current customer you would be grandfathered in... i have a buddy that has verizon and has had for years. He had an unlimited plan and now that verizon offers no unlimited plan he STILL has unlimited data.

The rumors of capped data on sprint are just that- rumors, sprint has no plans of capping data whatsoever they will throttle the top 1% but that is a rediculous amount of data on my bill we have 4 phones and an data card, we average 200gb of data a month and I've talked to many csr's at sprint who have told me that is pretty average data use for a family with multiple lines. The last person I talked to was the executive Rep for my dads office and he said to be throttled you need to consistently use 500+gb on a single line and then they will only throttle you .5mbps during peak time

I find it weird that everyone is being told that the upgrades are expected on April (I live in Houston). I was told that but then I was also informed that that can not be certain. I waited for over a year to wait for Sprint's improvements which never came. I know it is more money with Verizon I have real good data speeds. I kind wish I would have left to verizon hen they still offered unlimited. Like i said in another post that happens when you put your faith on sprint.
I think it is likely that sprint will be capped as well in the future. If you have unlimited they will most likely let you keep it. Also i don't know who told the above person that 200GB is average for a a family. That is a lot of data. But if you do use that much i guess you must have real good speeds. I guess nobody can really tell you if you should jump the ship since it all depends on your service area. If sprint sucks in your area then it really doesn't matter that another person has great service. For me service was bad so i saw no point in staying with sprint. With Verizon the lowest i have got is 5mbs and that is with low signal. The only thing i do not like with Verizon is that it seems that they charge more for monthly fees. They thing that you should consider is coverage, if you travel like me then Verizon might be worth it as it does have better national coverage.

eljefe18 said:
I find it weird that everyone is being told that the upgrades are expected on April (I live in Houston). I was told that but then I was also informed that that can not be certain. I waited for over a year to wait for Sprint's improvements which never came. I know it is more money with Verizon I have real good data speeds. I kind wish I would have left to verizon hen they still offered unlimited. Like i said in another post that happens when you put your faith on sprint.
I think it is likely that sprint will be capped as well in the future. If you have unlimited they will most likely let you keep it. Also i don't know who told the above person that 200GB is average for a a family. That is a lot of data. But if you do use that much i guess you must have real good speeds. I guess nobody can really tell you if you should jump the ship since it all depends on your service area. If sprint sucks in your area then it really doesn't matter that another person has great service. For me service was bad so i saw no point in staying with sprint. With Verizon the lowest i have got is 5mbs and that is with low signal. The only thing i do not like with Verizon is that it seems that they charge more for monthly fees. They thing that you should consider is coverage, if you travel like me then Verizon might be worth it as it does have better national coverage.
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Multiple csr's have told me that is average for family's with 3+ lines the guys in my dads office use about 100gb a month on their lines alone not including their family's lines his company has over 2000 employees in his office over 60,000 in 28 states all have sprint lines for them and their families as they get a ~60% employee discount for 4 unlimited android lines and a 12gb data card we pay ~ 135 with taxes with out the discount it would be ~320

-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
Multiple csr's have told me that is average for family's with 3+ lines the guys in my dads office use about 100gb a month on their lines alone not including their family's lines his company has over 2000 employees in his office over 60,000 in 28 states all have sprint lines for them and their families as they get a ~60% employee discount for 4 unlimited android lines and a 12gb data card we pay ~ 135 with taxes with out the discount it would be ~320
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Don't get me wrong If you are able to use that much that is great. I was never able to get more than 3gb and not because i didn't want to but because for me data speeds were so poor that I really couldn't do much.

eljefe18 said:
Don't get me wrong If you are able to use that much that is great. I was never able to get more than 3gb and not because i didn't want to but because for me data speeds were so poor that I really couldn't do much.
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I average 1mbps down on peak and 2.5 off peak plus I was grandfathered in on unlimited tethering and where we live its dialup satellite or 3g no cable no DSL and no fiber :-( when I was on fios in Tampa I'd eat data like a fat kid eats cake 200gb is low usage for me compared to being on 50mbps fiber I think when I had fios I used data just to use it lol I live in a sparsely populated area and have no issue getting true 3g speeds, we don't get wimax here so that sucks I've only got to use the 4g a handful of times so far which really wasn't all that impressive to me, my dad and I are data hogs tho he uses alot of data for work and he flashes a new rom about everytime I turn around, I used alot of data for work as well and alot for play, we both stream a lot of music and movies and download tons of apps and crap just to play with don't even use probably a 1/4 of the apps we download we are both tinkerers and both have 2 phones, which makes it fairly easy to eat up some data I never really realized how much we used til we actually looked at the usage one month then kept checking to see if we always use that much. I'm not sure but we have something called a preferred buisness prl which may be why our speeds are high even in the city its a perk of having our plan through his work I guess sprint gives a company that spends that kind of money with them a special access to maintain good speeds as everyone he works with gets pretty good average speeds I'm sure they don't want to lose that contract lol I know I wouldn't if I were them
Edit: I was just looking at PRLs it appears the PRL we have is designated for EVDO/Wimax mobile broadband devices with voice service maybe that's y the data is fairly consistent? It is PRL 60750 or 60705 I can't remember for sure it shows up in sense but on aosp(which I'm on) it just shows a blank space where the PRL numbers should be which may be my fault since I built the rom I'm on I may have errored a line of code. Weird, I'm gonna have to check the source when I'm working on the next build, the 607xx PRLs are apparently designated for mobile broadband from what I could find

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I find it weird that everyone is being told that the upgrades are expected on April
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I don't know about the others but I was referring to when I can upgrade my phone, not to network upgrades.

Network upgrades are pretty random, I'm not sure with lte but I think they will just activate sprints spectrum on existing hardware making the rollout pretty fast as they wont need to install hardware just make a few adjustments to existing hardware. That's what they did with clear and wimax but clear kind of hit a wall and stopped expanding although now clear has some rather large expansions planned which is why I believe sprint is continuing to support wimax for the next few years atleast, if clear really rolls out alot of.coverage sprint could end up supporting both 4g formats for the foreseeable future giving them a huge edge over the competition
We are legion, for we are many.

I still think Sprint has the best all in one plan with the best price. In my experience data speeds have always been acceptable. My contract is up in May and I see myself staying with Sprint.

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Network upgrades are pretty random, I'm not sure with lte but I think they will just activate sprints spectrum on existing hardware making the rollout pretty fast as they wont need to install hardware just make a few adjustments to existing hardware. That's what they did with clear and wimax but clear kind of hit a wall and stopped expanding although now clear has some rather large expansions planned which is why I believe sprint is continuing to support wimax for the next few years atleast, if clear really rolls out alot of.coverage sprint could end up supporting both 4g formats for the foreseeable future giving them a huge edge over the competition
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Clear is moving towards LTE
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Clear is pushing wimax pretty hard in the Tampa area they send out flyers atleast once a week offering unlimited 4g mobile broadband where my mom lives they actually have the best 4g coverage of anywhere I've had access to wimax
We are legion, for we are many.

I know this is old but I did switch to verizon. I took over someones unlimited data account. I have LTE coverage everywhere I go now.
I recently pulled down 40mbs on LTE.
It is a bit pricey, but it is so nice being able to use a data connection. I am NOT saying that sprint is all around a bad cell provider, but in my area they are awful.

ronartest2005 said:
I know this is old but I did switch to verizon. I took over someones unlimited data account. I have LTE coverage everywhere I go now.
I recently pulled down 40mbs on LTE.
It is a bit pricey, but it is so nice being able to use a data connection. I am NOT saying that sprint is all around a bad cell provider, but in my area they are awful.
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Hey at the end of the day you have to do whats best for you and honestly I do not think I will be under contract again with anyone. Especially not with all these companies offering unlimited everything for half the price and all using 4g LTE.
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why does this sprint page say 5GB 3G limit?

http://shop2.sprint.com/en/stores/popups/4G_coverage_popup.shtml
what is this and since when is there a monthly data limit? 0_o

I think this is referring to tethering
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Is this in reference to a hot spot device? I know those have caps and only phones can be unlimited.

5GB thats cool i get like 7kbps on 3g here so basically "unlimited" for me since i would never reach that.

babyboy8100 said:
5GB thats cool i get like 7kbps on 3g here so basically "unlimited" for me since i would never reach that.
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That's precisely why I left Sprint. No point in unlimited data when I can't even reach the cap of other carriers due to ridiculously slow speeds.
I average 6 mbps on AT&T's HSPA+ 3G network. Waaaaay better than the >100kbps on Sprint.

_MetalHead_ said:
That's precisely why I left Sprint. No point in unlimited data when I can't even reach the cap of other carriers due to ridiculously slow speeds.
I average 6 mbps on AT&T's HSPA+ 3G network. Waaaaay better than the >100kbps on Sprint.
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hspa+ is 4g data. w/e that cap on phones may also apply to roaming on 3g if i remeber correctly, didnt click ur link OP

_MetalHead_ said:
That's precisely why I left Sprint. No point in unlimited data when I can't even reach the cap of other carriers due to ridiculously slow speeds.
I average 6 mbps on AT&T's HSPA+ 3G network. Waaaaay better than the >100kbps on Sprint.
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I'm in Orange County, CA, and I average 600k-1.4mbps. This is fine for when I'm just looking up something quick. I'm content with that. Why? Because cell phone, not server. When I'm home I use my 15mpbs internet connection, and I jump onto my company wifi at work just to save battery.

You get unlimited 4G, but only 5 GB of 3G because they expect you to use your 4G often and not your 3G.
As for speeds, I range from here on the outskirts of Houston I range from .10mbps-.30mbps on Edge (2G), .20mbps-1.4mbps 3G, and 4mbps-14mbps on 4G. Not bad at all, I actually get those speeds practically everywhere, even in other cities and states.

This is a marketing tactic to get you to go with 4G.

There was a massive outrage about this not all that long ago, and several tech sites did articles about it and the truth was that it was a limit only for tethering, and that regular smartphone data was still really, honestly unlimited.
Here are a few articles about engadgets coverage.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/05/sprint-confirms-top-data-users-thottling-dan-hesse/?jsmobile=0
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/21/sprint-to-nix-unlimited-from-mobile-broadband-and-hotspot-plan/

Why are there trolls here? If you left Sprint then stop lurking here. Obviously you regret it if you still hang around Sprint forums

What they say about the speeds is true though, not trolling because I still have Sprint haha.

Korey_Nicholson said:
Why are there trolls here? If you left Sprint then stop lurking here. Obviously you regret it if you still hang around Sprint forums
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Last time I checked this was XDA... did ownership change?.
I know you work for Sprint and seem to be proud of it. You cannot deny that, as with all networks, Sprint has an issue with respect to coverage and speeds. Yes it gets repeated over and over but that's business: you find lots of complaints when something goes wrong and not a single praise when everything is working as it should be unless you did something exceptional. Part of being proud is to also being humble when a flaw is shown. Either offer a solution or don't offer anything at all (not even a remark like that).

fenixjn said:
Last time I checked this was XDA... did ownership change?.
I know you work for Sprint and seem to be proud of it. You cannot deny that, as with all networks, Sprint has an issue with respect to coverage and speeds. Yes it gets repeated over and over but that's business: you find lots of complaints when something goes wrong and not a single praise when everything is working as it should be unless you did something exceptional. Part of being proud is to also being humble when a flaw is shown. Either offer a solution or don't offer anything at all (not even a remark like that).
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It's really not relevant who "owns" XDA.
IF you are coming to a sub-forum for the sole purpose to whine about something that doesn't even apply to you... I mean come on... that's the true definition of an internet troll.
And the fact is that all [I'm just going to underline it because it needs it] ALL carriers have different ranges of coverage and speeds depending on the area.
Even "the greatest carrier to ever exist in the history of mankind omg lightening bolt" Verizon has areas where coverage severely lacks and speeds are bad.
Either way. This is a developer forum.
Not a "whine to no end about your carrier" forum.
Everyone on this forum knows that some are dissatisfied with Sprint.
Great, switch and be done with it.
On topic: It definitely pertains to something not related to phone bandwidth.

Link fail lol
Take this **** to a more relevant forum.... Sprint has their own community page where they can help you with your carrier specific complaints
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It is kind of funny how much time people who switched phones or carriers end up spending here. I guess there isn't much action in those forums. You get it all here!
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Korey_Nicholson said:
Why are there trolls here? If you left Sprint then stop lurking here. Obviously you regret it if you still hang around Sprint forums
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This is the only troll comment I see.
You don't have to own a phone to browse it's forum. There are good tips on every forum, that can be universal.
That is an insanely asinine statement.
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This is why I just use the tethering app on the rare occasions I need it. Let's see...pay $70/month for unlimited data and some minutes I never use. I can either forward that same data to a larger screened device or pay another $30 or $40 or whatever for 5GB of tethered data.
It doesn't really make sense. Honestly I get that they are subsidizing the cost of more basic use by charging more for what is typically considered a "power user" feature but it's still stupid IMO. Considering my 3G speeds have gone from 800k to 50k over the past 4 years I find it amusing to think that I would be paying extra to get the same thing I already pay for.
The cheaper plans are the only thing keeping me on Sprint for now. If T-Mo manages to make good use of that breakup money they will remain my backup plan. MVNOs have good prices but good handsets are artificially limited to the higher cost carriers. VZW and ATT would cost me at least half again as much as I pay now and my data will be capped (not to mention the shady **** they have been involved with as far as wiretapping and lobbying).
Guess it's Sprint with unlimited slow 3g and decent 4g for another several years here...

everything at sprint at this point is basically because of the dumba** iphone they have to cut cost and corners everywhere because of the huge $20billion deal they signed.
And yes this only applys to the tethering not actual phone use

this is for aircard/ hotspot devices. been that way since 4g was first launched, 5GB 3G/ 4G unlimited

Should I dump Sprint and go with Verizon?

Hello,
I love the Epic 4g Touch but I am getting beyond frustrated with the Sprint service. I am feeling more and more like I should have waited a couple months and gotten the Galaxy Nexus instead. The problem is not that I don't love the phone I have or that the Nexus hardware is better, but I just feel like the Verizon network is light years ahead of Sprint. I chose Sprint because I had already been waiting for the Galaxy S2 for many months and I expected Sprint coverage and speeds to be better. I also originally expected the Galaxy S2 to come to Verizon last fall.
I just didn't want to wait. However, the usability of this phone is coming into serious question with the poor network performance. Call quality is decent, but internet speeds are pretty bad. Plus, there are numerous spots where I lose internet altogether. The speeds fluctuate wildly and it is very rare that I can get decent speeds for an extended period of time.
This means that most apps become difficult to use. I can't stream video or audio without it being horribly choppy. Web browsing can be frustrating as well.
If I could get any 4g service where I live, the speeds would be fast enough. But I only can get 3g service nearly everywhere. Not only that, but since WiMax is outdated, it is unlikely they will be expanded coverage and instead rolling out LTE coverage across the country. Thus, it is unlikely that the situation will improve in the future.
It seems to me that I had my priorities out of order when I decided to get this phone. I was looking only at the hardware and didn't pay nearly enough attention to the network speeds and reliability of the coverage.
So, do you think I should switch to Verizon? I understand that the Nexus hardware is remarkably similar to the Epic 4g Touch.
Is there a way to get out of my Sprint contract without paying a large amount of money to be let out early? Is there some loophole or method to voiding the contract somehow?
And, if I DID decide to go with Verizon, do you think it would be wise to go with the Nexus, or should I wait for the next super phone to come to Verizon? Do you anticipate that the Galaxy S3 will launch on Verizon?
So, do you all think I am overreacting to the network problems? For those who have switched, is the network improvement on Verizon vs Sprint dramatic and worth it for you?
I still haven't made a final decision on this, but trying to use my phone on the go has become more and more frustrating of late. I cannot stream video reliably or use many apps without frustration due to poor coverage and wildly fluctuating internet speeds.
Please advise me on what you would suggest.
Thanks.

I'm in almost the Same situation, I'm going to wait it out because as they update to lte it is my hope that it Will increase my 3g speeds with tower upgrades. Sprint is still the best deal for me with 4 phones and I just use wifi at home.
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im getting pretty frustrated also. 3g speeds are horrible. 4g works well but is so spotty here. works in one place, 5 feet away, its disconnected lol.
i wnt be switching as i have a $400 deposit from Verizon lol. And I do enjoy having no data caps, which comes in handy when downloading roms and music right from the phonr when I do get 4g coverage

no, and here is why
limited data sucks a big fat one, i cannot survive on limited data, that is the only reason you need

To answer your question, yes, there are ways to get out of your contract that will *probably* by ETF free. If you find yourself roaming too much, Sprint will kick you off their network, normally without an ETF. Do a forum (or Google) search to learn more about people being kicked off Sprint for roaming.
Whether or not you want to switch to Verizon is up to you. Yes, you will likely notice significantly increased data speeds. I notice that when I'm roaming, my data speeds are far more consistently "usable" than when I'm on Sprint's native network. The reason I haven't switched is twofold... First, Sprint is cheaper, and because I spend 90% of my time connected to WiFi somewhere. When I'm not on WiFi and experiencing slow network speeds, I use Roam Control. The second reason I haven't switched is because Verizon does not work in some areas that I travel to frequently. I'm sure its a rarity nationwide, but I happen to fall into the category of going places that Verizon doesn't (or doesn't reliably, anyway).
So, if data speed is your only concern, you will likely be happier with Verizon. But the faster the data speeds, the more you use, which means you might need to pay for more bandwidth.

I've had this same thought for so long but Sprint customers are so close to them finally getting their Network Vision upgrades complete and LTE rolled out that i don't want to leave until I see if they are right or full of crap.

Thanks for the responses,
I am really leaning towards switching. I just have a couple more questions.
Could you guys elaborate on how I can get out of my Sprint contract without paying anything? Is it very difficult to do?
Second, exactly how limiting do you think the data caps are? When I am on the network, I could see it not being very difficult to refrain from downloading massive files. I could see myself generally only downloading larger files at home with wifi and only web browsing or streaming video or audio on the road.
I just am not sure how limiting the data cap would be. On the whole, however, I think the slow data speeds on Sprint are much more limiting than a data cap that I would hardly ever reach.
How easy is it for you to reach the data cap? Also, I heard if you pay a little more, you can get twice the data each month. How much extra is that and is it worth it?
And I asked this question in my original post but no one has responded yet. If I DID choose to switch, would it make sense to get the Galaxy Nexus or wait for the next great phone to come to Verizon?
Thanks for your help.

epic touch > galaxy nexus

My 3G speeds were slow when I first got this phone (no 4G here), but since then it has gotten better and better. I think the speed is awesome now!
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Don't any of you guys utilize roam control and swapping PRLs? I too was leaning toward dropping Sprint because of their horrible 3g speeds, they were more like 1x constantly. Don't forget fellas we do roam on Verizon for free, so for the OP I would recommend downloading roam control, swapping your PRL to 1115 and giving that a try prior to cancelling your contract. Then if you still cant live with the speeds, then I would just use roam-control to roam,roam,roam until you get kicked off ETF free. Just my suggestion...

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Don't any of you guys utilize roam control and swapping PRLs? I too was leaning toward dropping Sprint because of their horrible 3g speeds, they were more like 1x constantly. Don't forget fellas we do roam on Verizon for free, so for the OP I would recommend downloading roam control, swapping your PRL to 1115 and giving that a try prior to cancelling your contract. Then if you still cant live with the speeds, then I would just use roam-control to roam,roam,roam until you get kicked off ETF free. Just my suggestion...
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yeah thats the only way i survive but I only get 1x data. im gonna have to load a diff prl, wasnt aware of that! thanks gonna try it

Success100 said:
yeah thats the only way i survive but I only get 1x data. im gonna have to load a diff prl, wasnt aware of that! thanks gonna try it
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So you have just been using roam control with the 60683 PRL? If so, yeah I would definitely give another one a try. Korey has a thread in the general section which he runs through the different PRL options.

i had verizon then i switched to sprint because of how expensive they are but i did like there service and signal. I would think about switching back to verizon if they lowered there prices which i doubt they would.

Why don't you just switch so we don't have to waist time and space on threads like this, Sprint is going through upgrades right now and it's gonna be hit and miss with service if your in a shady area. Sprint has a lot of plus to their service right now, like the no data cap. I don't think it's fair to compare this company to a giant like Verizon, they have come a long way since taking over Nextel and their crappy service....

Verizon phone n plan suck. I rather go with att or t-mobile if I ever thing about dishing sprint.

Have you tried different modems and ROMs? Not sure what to do tbh. I think they'll charge you early termination fees which can cost quite a lot. And I would go with the Nexus. The GS3 probably won't come out for awhile in the US since I hear it will be released internationally first. And the S2 took like 5 months to come to the US after international so yeah.

I was on Verizon and switched to Sprint the day they started throttling the unlimited data they sold me to the point it was unusable. After repeatedly complaining to corporate and the BBB, the etf was waived.
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Sprint is cheaper and no data limits. These are 2 huge factors for keeping me. Yeah they have limited 4G now but as soon as LTE rolls out, could be much better.

abusedcloth said:
Why don't you just switch so we don't have to waist time and space on threads like this, Sprint is going through upgrades right now and it's gonna be hit and miss with service if your in a shady area. Sprint has a lot of plus to their service right now, like the no data cap. I don't think it's fair to compare this company to a giant like Verizon, they have come a long way since taking over Nextel and their crappy service....
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Don't be a [email protected]&k.
Back on topic. I've been with sprint for 10 years. They just decided to dump me for to much roaming data. ( Prl 11115 and roam control). I had to use it. Data out here if any was painfully slow. Oh well, Im headed to at&t for the note
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yamaford said:
Don't be a [email protected]&k.
Back on topic. I've been with sprint for 10 years. They just decided to dump me for to much roaming data. ( Prl 11115 and roam control). I had to use it. Data out here if any was painfully slow. Oh well, Im headed to at&t for the note
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Yeah, my contact tells me they are getting really strict about that.
I hear AT&T has a 200MB roaming limit... Even a worse option for me, since they have virtually no coverage in northern Wisconsin...
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[Q] Class Action Suit

OK, calm down, I'm just asking! Has anyone heard of ANYONE involving themselves in a class action lawsuit against Sprint due to the next to non-existant Data that we pay a pretty penny for? It's ridiculous that we have to pay at least $30 for 4G data when most of us can't even get 3G data. My 3G data is approximately anywhere from 0.12 Mg to 0.3 Mg. And I can't even begin to get 4G data. Even the carrot of Unlimited data is nothing when data speeds are THAT sad. And I've tried 3G all over town (Louisville, KY). At least I get SOMETHING for 3G speeds. For 4G I get NOTHING. How can Sprint legally do this to us? Isn't that false advertising? They promised 3G and 4G data speeds and deliver NEITHER. Once people start dropping Sprint due to their pathetic data speeds, they may upgrade their service. I've read that alot of users keep Sprint as their provider strictly because of their unlimited data. So if they stopped unlimited data they would lose even more subscribers. Any lawyer types out there care to give their opinions?

Dude just switch carriers, no one is forcing you to stay with them unless you have a contract. Its not like every single one has no data connection, some has and some don't. So for others that has no clear connection should just switch. Just my opinion. Seems more of a hassle taking it to court or whatever. Im not against you ok, its just something I would do.

ojones838 said:
OK, calm down, I'm just asking! Has anyone heard of ANYONE involving themselves in a class action lawsuit against Sprint due to the next to non-existant Data that we pay a pretty penny for? It's ridiculous that we have to pay at least $30 for 4G data when most of us can't even get 3G data. My 3G data is approximately anywhere from 0.12 Mg to 0.3 Mg. And I can't even begin to get 4G data. Even the carrot of Unlimited data is nothing when data speeds are THAT sad. And I've tried 3G all over town (Louisville, KY). At least I get SOMETHING for 3G speeds. For 4G I get NOTHING. How can Sprint legally do this to us? Isn't that false advertising? They promised 3G and 4G data speeds and deliver NEITHER. Once people start dropping Sprint due to their pathetic data speeds, they may upgrade their service. I've read that alot of users keep Sprint as their provider strictly because of their unlimited data. So if they stopped unlimited data they would lose even more subscribers. Any lawyer types out there care to give their opinions?
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They always say subject to signal strength and availability. I hate these threads...

Is it stated anywhere in writing that the extra charge is for the 4G? We all know that it IS but that does not help a legal case.
Welcome to the United States of Litigation!

sol_671 said:
Dude just switch carriers, no one is forcing you to stay with them unless you have a contract. Its not like every single one has no data connection, some has and some don't. So for others that has no clear connection should just switch. Just my opinion. Seems more of a hassle taking it to court or whatever. Im not against you ok, its just something I would do.
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Dude, Sprint is forcing me to stay with them by contract. I still have roughly 1.5 years under contract with them. I got my first smartphone with Verizon. 3G, was in fact, 3G. I was puzzled when I went to Sprint and their signals were so weak. I'm sorry but I seem to be wasting my time telling you about my problems. Because you seem to be a Sprint minion. Maybe not, but I feel anyone that is on the side of Sprint is against me. I guess I feel like Sprint should charge users that have such terrible signals less than users that live in a signal-rich environment. I only ask for what I'm paying for. To switch now would cost me several hundred dollars. You've heard of this concept called "fair"? Well I don't think it's "fair" to have to pay the same fees as users who are getting exactly what they pay for. Would you think it was "fair" to be under a lunch contract where you and others paid for the same sandwich, but others got their sandwich piled high but you only got a skimpy sandwich? I don't think so. Fair is fair. And people like me are not being fairly treated.

robbyr said:
Is it stated anywhere in writing that the extra charge is for the 4G? We all know that it IS but that does not help a legal case.
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robbyr,
If you think WE can figure that out don't you think a lawyer can bring that out too?

I agree with you but a class action would likely never never fly in court since they guarantee nothing. I was on Tmobile for years before Sprint and their signal and speeds were rock solid. But boy meets girl and girl wants boy on family plan so Im on Sprint for the last 2+ years and the last 6 months have been the worst. My city is getting their network vision update now so I hope thats the problem. In the meantime when my signal is poo I update profile and it picks up a bit. I shouldn't have to do this though.

If you have horrible service, get an Airave in your house. It'll be like a tower in your living room or wherever you have your high speed modem, if you gave one.
And just because someone doesn't want to jump on Sprint and their speeds doesn't mean that they're against you, it's just that they're willing to deal with the situation for now. Besides this is all temporary.
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All a class action suit will do is make Sprint poorer, make the lawyers rich, and likely change nothing. And you might get a check for 3 dollars or so...

been down that road, for most people its more headaches than anything. and anyone who says it isn't just didn't realize they sometimes miss a text or call. plus if they don't give it to u free then u gotta pay for it and its not expensive but not at all cheap. in all honesty it helps your signal so ur not dropping calls but it really isn't doing anything for speed issues, it bumped my 3g speed from about 350kbps to about to about 650kbps..almost like turbo for 3g lol.
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ojones838 said:
OK, calm down, I'm just asking! Has anyone heard of ANYONE involving themselves in a class action lawsuit against Sprint due to the next to non-existant Data that we pay a pretty penny for? It's ridiculous that we have to pay at least $30 for 4G data when most of us can't even get 3G data. My 3G data is approximately anywhere from 0.12 Mg to 0.3 Mg. And I can't even begin to get 4G data. Even the carrot of Unlimited data is nothing when data speeds are THAT sad. And I've tried 3G all over town (Louisville, KY). At least I get SOMETHING for 3G speeds. For 4G I get NOTHING. How can Sprint legally do this to us? Isn't that false advertising? They promised 3G and 4G data speeds and deliver NEITHER. Once people start dropping Sprint due to their pathetic data speeds, they may upgrade their service. I've read that alot of users keep Sprint as their provider strictly because of their unlimited data. So if they stopped unlimited data they would lose even more subscribers. Any lawyer types out there care to give their opinions?
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Where are you getting that you pay "at least 30$ a month for 4g data". The only additional data charge there is is on all smartphones, and it's only 10 bucks more a month than if you had data on a flip phone. And that 10$ is on all smartphones, so it wouldn't matter if you bought the new EVO LTE or the basic Motorola XPRT, you are paying the same price. There is no additional charge for 4g.
As to your statement "Once people start dropping Sprint due to their pathetic data speeds, they may upgrade their service."... Sprint is fixing the network. Without people dropping. Read here:
http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19
A little snippet I would like to point out: "Sprint expects its 4G coverage footprint to cover 250 million people when the build-out is completed by the end of 2013"
Sprint is working an intensely aggressive schedule to rebuild the ENTIRE NETWORK in 3 years, increasing 3g data coverage, and putting LTE everywhere 3g is. Major cities are first on the docket, but it will increase the network signal pretty much everywhere.
My last suggestion is to read through your TOS at some point. They do not guarantee or promise 3g or 4g data anywhere, and do state that it is subject to availability in your area.
I am tired of seeing this thread pop up over and over again.

You signed a contract giving up the right to seek class action status when you agreed to the ToS.
You can remedy your situation (according to contract) by arbitration, small claims, or complaining to regulators.

ojones838 said:
Dude, Sprint is forcing me to stay with them by contract. I still have roughly 1.5 years under contract with them. I got my first smartphone with Verizon. 3G, was in fact, 3G. I was puzzled when I went to Sprint and their signals were so weak. I'm sorry but I seem to be wasting my time telling you about my problems. Because you seem to be a Sprint minion. Maybe not, but I feel anyone that is on the side of Sprint is against me. I guess I feel like Sprint should charge users that have such terrible signals less than users that live in a signal-rich environment. I only ask for what I'm paying for. To switch now would cost me several hundred dollars. You've heard of this concept called "fair"? Well I don't think it's "fair" to have to pay the same fees as users who are getting exactly what they pay for. Would you think it was "fair" to be under a lunch contract where you and others paid for the same sandwich, but others got their sandwich piled high but you only got a skimpy sandwich? I don't think so. Fair is fair. And people like me are not being fairly treated.
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You were puzzled to see Sprint's weak signals yet you stayed with them? You had 15 days to test the network and decide if you wanted to stay or not. You and only you made that decision to stay with Sprint and sign the 2 year deal and now you are *****ing about it? I have no sympathy for you nor should anybody else.

lickarock,
I am tired of seeing this thread pop up over and over again.
Why do you constantly read it?
tgruendler,
I'm sorry, no one asked you for sympathy...

Besides this is all temporary.[/QUOTE said:
What do you mean, exactly?
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akamara13,
What exactly do you mean all this is temporary?

tgruendler said:
You were puzzled to see Sprint's weak signals yet you stayed with them? You had 15 days to test the network and decide if you wanted to stay or not. You and only you made that decision to stay with Sprint and sign the 2 year deal and now you are *****ing about it? I have no sympathy for you nor should anybody else.
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I didn't have 15 days to test the network. As you can see, I get to Sprint through Credomobile. Also I didn't SIGN a 2 year deal as all my account dealings were done over the 'net. Also since when does anyone not experiment with a new device and just give up without trying to get it to work within 2 weeks? Even most stores give you 30 days. Whew! Just blowing off steam. No need to reply to this...

Ojones 838 have you thought about putting a verison prl on your phone all that roaming and sprint will ask you to leave and prodadly no etf.
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lickarock said:
http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19
A little snippet I would like to point out: "Sprint expects its 4G coverage footprint to cover 250 million people when the build-out is completed by the end of 2013"
Sprint is working an intensely aggressive schedule to rebuild the ENTIRE NETWORK in 3 years, increasing 3g data coverage, and putting LTE everywhere 3g is. Major cities are first on the docket, but it will increase the network signal pretty much everywhere.
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I'm not saying you're wrong lickarock, I'm saying Sprint's data in the article you posted is a pipedream. I have to say "BS" on the 250 million number. That would mean that 75%+ of users would have 4G LTE coverage. Right now, Sprint doesn't even cover 75% of the users with good 3G coverage. Sprint's maps lie. I live in an "excellent" 3G area according to Sprint and get very very slow data or no data on Sprint's network.
I didn't have the option to "try" for 14 days either since I bought my phone in a different state and had it for 2 months before moving to CA. I've called several times saying "I've moved, and now my coverage is non-existent, please cancel my contract or replace my phone with one that will get a signal." Their response is "our maps show that you live in an excellent... blah blah blah". They don't care that phone calls just go to voicemail. I know of at least 7 people that have dropped Sprint and gone to AT&T or T-mobile when asking me about service and network in this area (friends and family bring their phones to me to root). Sprint is not just losing me as a customer, I'm taking another dozen or so (eventually) with me to other carriers.
-Daryel

ojones838 - I feel your pain on this, I really do. That said, a class action lawsuit isn't the way to go. Lawyers aren't the way to go for that matter. Just do what was posted above me. Use an alternate PRL and roam like no other. Sprint will kick you off without an ETF and you can switch carriers.
I too should have left within the 15 days but like a lot of others I didn't. The speeds were kind of ok in the beginning and I figured they would get better as Sprint upgraded their towers. That didn't happen. I'd heard even before switching to Sprint that the speeds were crap but I thought "really, how bad can they honestly be". Boy was I wrong...
So now I'm stuck paying for data that I don't have (thank you false advertising) unless I turn on WiMax "4G" and even that is slower than EVERY other carriers 3G. Sprint advertised specific speeds - which I've yet to see. So use another PRL and get out of the contract. That's what I'm doing at least.