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What is the difference between flashing from a TAR file using Odin and Clockwork Mod?

Hello,
I was going to try out a near stock root but it requires clockwork mod. The only overwrite of my previous stock was using Odin and a tar file.
Can someone help me out and explain why or if there is much a difference between a tar overwrite and using CWM?
Also can you just install CWM on the stock and then flash it?

tar files are what ODIN uses to flash your phone. ODIN is an application that runs on your PC and communicates with your phone over the USB cable using ODIN protocol. ODIN can pretty much flash anything on your phone, so just saying you used ODIN to flash your phone doesn't tell folks trying to answer your question anything useful. You need to tell use which tar file you flashed.
CWM is a recovery program that runs on your phone. It takes signed zip files and installs them. It can also flash things like kernel and ROM, and with some versions of the kernel can flash full modems as well. It can't flash as much as ODIN can, but it can flash most of what you would find useful.
If you started from stock, you can root your phone and install CWM using the Auto Root thread in my signature.

I've been using sfhub's scripts for the last few weeks. Highly recommended and well documented.
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sfhub said:
tar files are what ODIN uses to flash your phone. ODIN is an application that runs on your PC and communicates with your phone over the USB cable using ODIN protocol. ODIN can pretty much flash anything on your phone, so just saying you used ODIN to flash your phone doesn't tell folks trying to answer your question anything useful. You need to tell use which tar file you flashed.
CWM is a recovery program that runs on your phone. It takes signed zip files and installs them. It can also flash things like kernel and ROM, and with some versions of the kernel can flash full modems as well. It can't flash as much as ODIN can, but it can flash most of what you would find useful.
If you started from stock, you can root your phone and install CWM using the Auto Root thread in my signature.
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Thanks. The file I think I ran before was acs-eg30-stock-kernel-pulled.tar. My phone got the OTA update to 2.3.6 and I'd like to root it again so I can tether again. I was going to install Calkulin's Stock Rooted EL13 Rom as I think that will enable to me to tether again.

boe said:
Thanks. The file I think I ran before was acs-eg30-stock-kernel-pulled.tar. My phone got the OTA update to 2.3.6 and I'd like to root it again so I can tether again. I was going to install Calkulin's Stock Rooted EL13 Rom as I think that will enable to me to tether again.
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That would root you but you would need to root your current version first and install CWM (you would have lost root after the EK02 OTA upgrade) before you could install that.
If you want a complete EL13 system, my suggestion is you use Titanium to backup your user data, then ODIN the FULL EL13 rooted system. This will give you EL13 Modem, Kernel, and ROM (pre-rooted) in a single operation.
[ODIN][TAR] SPH-D710.EL13_CL806482 (EL13 Modem/Kernel/ROM - Full Restore - Rooted)
Then restore your data.
There is also a "NoData" version of the ODIN tar file, which is the same as above, but doesn't reset your User Data (meaning you keep your existing User Data). I would suggest the latter for folks who know what they are doing because you may need to clear dalvik-cache and possibly android market data.
The full install that resets your user data is a "cleaner" install but both will work.
You'll be rooted after installing that. If you want CWM, just use the Auto Root thread:
[ROOT][NCIQ][EG30/EG31/EK02] Auto root your existing stock ROM (w/o ODIN/ROM Flash)
and choose Option C to install EL13+CWM.

Thanks - I'll try to do that today.

sfhub said:
That would root you but you would need to root your current version first and install CWM (you would have lost root after the EK02 OTA upgrade) before you could install that.
If you want a complete EL13 system, my suggestion is you use Titanium to backup your user data, then ODIN the FULL EL13 rooted system. This will give you EL13 Modem, Kernel, and ROM (pre-rooted) in a single operation.
[ODIN][TAR] SPH-D710.EL13_CL806482 (EL13 Modem/Kernel/ROM - Full Restore - Rooted)
Then restore your data.
There is also a "NoData" version of the ODIN tar file, which is the same as above, but doesn't reset your User Data (meaning you keep your existing User Data). I would suggest the latter for folks who know what they are doing because you may need to clear dalvik-cache and possibly android market data.
The full install that resets your user data is a "cleaner" install but both will work.
You'll be rooted after installing that. If you want CWM, just use the Auto Root thread:
[ROOT][NCIQ][EG30/EG31/EK02] Auto root your existing stock ROM (w/o ODIN/ROM Flash)
and choose Option C to install EL13+CWM.
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Thanks for all your help.
Just so I'm sure I know what you think would be best for me, I should pretty much do this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1394332 and then I won't need to do the CWM thing?

boe said:
Thanks for all your help.
Just so I'm sure I know what you think would be best for me, I should pretty much do this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1394332 and then I won't need to do the CWM thing?
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Given where you are currently at and considering you want to end up with a rooted el13, that would be the fewest steps.

So far no real issues. I did have the marketplace issue which is mentioned in the thread and clearing it took care of it. I've only played with my phone for about 30 minutes since flashing but I should know more by tomorrow.
Thanks for your help.

After using this one for a day, I'd probably recommend not using it quite yet. I've had lots of dropped calls, inability to use the internet on a regular basis and GPS seems way off. I've been using my phone for a few months now and haven't had this kind of bad luck in the past even with my previous rooted version of this phone worked great. While it was certainly easy, I don't think this version of the ROM is ready yet.
I'm sure the person who created it knows 1000 times more about android than I do but this one has problem with voice/data that needs a little work still so I'd hold off on it until that is tweaked. Or it could be that Sprint is having some serious issues with their network in Connecticut.

Looking to root, remain stock and update modem

Im looking to root my stock phone and update the modem from the EK02 to the latest EL29 to try and fix my LoS problem i have been having lately. I plan on using auto root (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342728) and i believe i need to install CWM as well along with it? In addition i can then just download the zip file and use CWM to flash the zip correct? I watched the how-to video on flashing EL29, but is a wipe needed if i am fully stock? What does wiping the caches do? remove any of my saved app information?
All this above will increase the flash count on my phone correct? Is there any reason for concern with this?

Hope I can offer some help. CWM flashing doesn't increase the odin count. If a stock feel is what you'd like to retain, calks roms are consistently stable, battery efficient, and fast. If you prefer stock all together, I would just throw it into download mode (Odin) and flash a repacked kernel, EL13/26/29, whatever you prefer. Same can be done with a modem (and you won't increase the Odin count with a modem tar file). As for the Odin count, if you have one, just use the USB jig to reset the count. I made mine, cost me $2 @ fry's for the parts. As for the cache/dalvik wipes, it's good practice and will help to eliminate errors if you begin with a clean slate. Only a data wipe & or a factory reset clearing your USB storage will remove your saved app info.
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What you said sounds correct.
You shouldn't need to wipe anything in your case, but if things start acting strange, that would be the first thing I tried to resolve it.
Cache/dalvik is just stuff the systems saves off the speed things up. That "stuff" can sometimes have dependencies on the previous software, so clearing it out just forces the system to recreate them.
None of what you describe will trigger the yellow triangle nor increase the ODIN flash count.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1433101
Follow that link. It is a one click ODIN package that will install a completely stock rooted EL29 ROM/Kernel/radio combo and will save all your user data. It takes 5 minutes, you'll be completely updated and will be able to go on with your day without having to redo anything. Just make sure you use the NODATA package. It's what I used, and then I debloated it with TiBackup and used Autostarts to get everything under control. The stock ROM is awesome, and I see no reason to use anything but.

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1433101
Follow that link. It is a one click ODIN package that will install a completely stock rooted EL29 ROM/Kernel/radio combo and will save all your user data. It takes 5 minutes, you'll be completely updated and will be able to go on with your day without having to redo anything. Just make sure you use the NODATA package. It's what I used, and then I debloated it with TiBackup and used Autostarts to get everything under control. The stock ROM is awesome, and I see no reason to use anything but.
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Good call! Forgot about that!
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sorry for the ignorant question, but how does that one click odin package different from just upgrading my modem after root? Do i want a new kernel etc? Will this still receive OTA updates afterwards?
Also, why do some flashes from odin increase the counter while others dont?

dbldown768 said:
sorry for the ignorant question, but how does that one click odin package different from just upgrading my modem after root? Do i want a new kernel etc? Will this still receive OTA updates afterwards?
Also, why do some flashes from odin increase the counter while others dont?
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The one-click package is overkill if all you want is the EL29 modem. It would flash a full EL29 package (Modem, Kernel, ROM). What you described in your first post sounded fine to me.
If you are worried about receiving OTA updates, even just flashing the modem will likely cause the OTA update to fail as they have been shipping patch updates for the modem. If they shipped a full update for the modem, then it wouldn't care.
When you flash an ODIN package that includes a *kernel* that is not properly signed by Samsung (ie if you modify the stock kernel in any way) then the ODIN flash count will increase and it will trigger the yellow triangle.
None of the ODIN packages I put together have that issue (by design)

You can use mobile Odin to flash and it won't up your flash count either...it's all I use now don't have a use for Odin anymore...mobile Odin pro will even root the tar add it's installed also if you want that
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Thanks for all the nfo. Im just looking to keep the phone as stock as possible but get rid of the constant LoS. The first few months when i got the phone, not a problem. Now it seems to happen on a daily basis. my wife has the same phone, she says she hasnt run into the LoS issues as of yet.
As far as what i have read and been told on these forums, the new modem 'could' clear up my LoS issue.

I will share my opinion and suggestion in a moment. Let me gather the links so my post will be more helpful...

Okay, here I go. Go grab auto root here
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342728
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Next, go grab the USB drivers and idiot proof Odin factory flash of ek02
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1409634
I pick full flash, not no data, because I like to start from the absolute beginning.
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Follow the Odin procedure. After that is completely done, follow the auto root procedure. Do root first, then recovery, then remove ciq.
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Get the modded kernel and recovery here
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1341564
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Get the odexed ek02 hotspot mod here
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1394371
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Copy the hotspot file and recovery file to the root of the sdcard on the phone. After autoroot stuff, reboot the phone. Boot again into recovery, wipe cache and advanced dalvik cache. Flash phone with zip file, from internal, for the recovery file I told you to copy to the phone. Reboot the phone. Let everything settle down for a minute. Go to settings, about phone, updates, then update profile, then update prl. After that, reboot the phone into recovery again. The menus in the new recovery are grouped together a little more logically and less button presses are needed and no capacitive buttons used. Choose wipe cache (not full reset) and wipe dalvik. After that, choose flash zip from internal and choose the odexed hotspot mod. Reboot after that's done. Boot back into recovery again. Do a backup of your install so you have a clean starting point should anything go wrong in the future. Reboot to the regular phone and start setting things up.
Others may suggest different things. This is the procedure I use that gives me the best performance for stock rooted. I also suggest getting no frills CPU app. Set the max speed to 800, ondemand, cfq, set at boot, then apply. Other modems may perform better or worse in your areas. Ek02 had the best speed for me. EL26 and 29 give me better signal but slower data speeds. Only one bar difference but I prefer faster throughput. Any questions, let me know.

[Q] Newbie to root and flashing

Hi everyone, I have been lurking the forums for a while looking at info but I want to be sure before I brick this thing. I satrted with an EL29 and did the EL29 stock+ roo from qb king as well as the CWM+rogue for the EL29. Now I am looking to flash to just a GB ROM, no ICS, (Caulkin's maybe?). I want to knwo if I can go about it with what I have installed or if I shoudl flash to EL26 with Odin (if I can even do so?). I know thei has probably been asked a million times, but its so much information I dont even know what to look for. I appreciate the input everyone.

EL29 rogue is sufficient for flashing gb roms, feel free to flash away. The issues are from returning to gb front ics
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Okay, so I can do the nandroid backup, and wipig of the disk and cache using the rogue CWM?

Yep. Your good to go!

okay, so i downloaded this ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1332837
and i put it in the external sd
I also put the format all zip in the sd to be used first.
I have a nandroid backup and Titanium backup done.
Ill run the format all script then the rom flash after and I should be good? am I missing anything? I would hate for my next post to be that I bricked the thing lol

go grab it
Zabusa said:
Okay, so I can do the nandroid backup, and wipig of the disk and cache using the rogue CWM?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=771828&d=1320435068
Go to this location and download Calkulin's format all application.
What does it do? - Well my friend this masterpiece of technologically advanced mechanics and engineering does everything you need to do before you flash a ROM, automatically!!
But to be serious just download and put it into you external-SD card, or internal, and then enter CWM, volume-up+power, and then find where you put it into and then select flash and let it do it's magic. It's best to do it twice just in case.
Then flash the ROM, but be warned!, I wouldn't touch Ice Cream Sandwich ROMs until you become proficient in flashing terminology and techniques.
There are TONS of bricks involving "noobs" trying to flash ICS. So it's best you avoid it.

That's it man, you got it. Run calks format all and then flash that beast. Don't get impatient. It may take a little time to flash and then boot.
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Let me double check out loud:
1.flash format all
2.wipe cache, dalvik-cache
3.flash ROM
4.reboot
5.connect to internet and download titianium backup
6.restore backups of the applications
7.have fun? lol

You are doing it right.
Titanium backup to SD card (for apps etc.)
Nandroid to SD card using Rogue CWM [as long as it is not TOUCH VERSION!]
back to recovery. Install zip from SD, choose Calkulin's format all.
Back and Install zip from SD and choose the ROM.
As a note; you may be able to get away with using the 'Modified format all' - save data. But if you start getting errors and force closes go back and use the format all.
Also don't forget to update your PRL and Profile afterwards too.

A few more questions, and I really appreciate it guys.
Where is my nandroid backup stored normally, I used the rogue CWM (I am assuming default location) and it finished but I dont know where it was saved.
Also, do I need to change or update the modem after I flash the ROM or no?
Finally, I guess I wont need to access the nandroid backup again unless I want to revert to an old ROM? would that be all I have to do if I decide I dont want to keep Calk's ROM?

Zabusa said:
A few more questions, and I really appreciate it guys.
Where is my nandroid backup stored normally, I used the rogue CWM (I am assuming default location) and it finished but I don't know where it was saved.
Also, do I need to change or update the modem after I flash the ROM or no?
Finally, I guess I wont need to access the nandroid backup again unless I want to revert to an old ROM? would that be all I have to do if I decide I don't want to keep Calk's ROM?
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The Nandroid is usually in your external-SD card, unless you don't have one, then it's in your internal storage. To access the Nandroids, to change the name, put your phone into debugging mode(settings-->applications) and then connect to your computer and select "view files".
A quicker method would be to use the built in app called "my files" then select clockworkmod(It might be in your ex-sd).
No you don't NEED to update your modem, only your PRL and Profile.
You don't have to mess with the Nandroid backup unless you want to revert back to whatever ROM you backed up.

For me its on external sd in a folder called clockworkmod. You can rename them to identify easier, ex: blazer_4.1_may11. Just make sure there are no spaces or it wont work on restore. Modems are completely interchangeable. You can flash any modem on any rom whether its gb or ics. just flash cache and dalvik cache first and update prl and profile upon reboot
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Edit: when switching roms you must completely wipe using format all. When I upgrade the same rom to a newer version, I normally get away with the modified format all. That way you don't lose any data or settings. If things start force closing and acting wonky, you know you then have to wipe and start over fresh.
Feel free to ask away. better you get the answers before you break your beautiful phone. Good luck!

Thanks everyone, I am now ROMmed. I appreciate everyone's input. I also installed the ACS ICS theme and it looks awesome. I'm glad I got clarification here. Now I read about flashing to EL26+ last official CWM before doing any ICS flash? I dont plan to but I want to know for when I do decide do (if before the official release)
Also on a side note, and I think this is better posted on the ROMS thread, but for anyone with Caulk's 3.0 mod, is there a way to disable the volume keys turning on the screen? its kind of a pain lol

Yes, el26 is the gateway to ics. How I do it is mobile Odin its a handy tool. Flash el26 tar in mobile Odin and it will reboot hold power + vol up till you get to recovery. wipe and flash ics. To get back to gb or to update an ics rom, I always mobile Odin el26. Its really easy actually once you do it. I understand the fear with all the bricks happening. The main plus either mobile Odin is I can flash on the go without a pc
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Ok so I had a question...I flashed ICS. I've never had root as long as I've owned the phone. I flashed that "OTA" from EL29 to FD24zip after watching qbkings video. I was on stock nonrooted never flashed anything EL29,downloaded the update from EL29toFD24zip put it on my external SD card and flashed from stock recovery. Is it going to be a pain to get back to stock unrooted or rooted EL29?
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bumsock said:
Ok so I had a question...I flashed ICS. I've never had root as long as I've owned the phone. I flashed that "OTA" from EL29 to FD24zip after watching qbkings video. I was on stock nonrooted never flashed anything EL29,downloaded the update from EL29toFD24zip put it on my external SD card and flashed from stock recovery. Is it going to be a pain to get back to stock unrooted or rooted EL29?
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Easy Peasy. Use sfhub's one-click 'reset data' http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1433101 If you wish to 'unroot' (don't know why though) use his Autoroot to 'unroot'

Is there any reason I would flash from EL29 to FD24 other than ICS? or rather is it ever required? benefits?
also, what is Odexed vs Deodexed? I have seen it a lot lately

anyone? I am especially curiosu about what being odexed vs deodexed is

Zabusa said:
anyone? I am especially curiosu about what being odexed vs deodexed is
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http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/what-is-odex-and-deodex-in-android-complete-guide/

thanks a lot man. I did a bunch of forum searches until i found some stuff on it. Another question, do thee phones take forever to charge for everyone else?

Flashed UVDLE Modem now my Radio is broken

Hi I just flashed this new Modem and the radio on my phone is broken. Tried flashing back to UVKL1 and Blaze but still get the same error. When I go into the network settings its even acting like it can't detect the SIM. Any ideas?

Wow...you joined 18 months ago and this is your first post lol
Do you have a T989? What are you flashing from? What method did you use when trying to flash the new ROM? What error are you getting?

Thanks. I've never needed to post as I've always been able to find my solution searching on the forums.
I have a T989 and am on Darkside UCLE2 Beta 5. I flashed the radio from CWM. The error I'm getting is that where the radio icon should be its crossed out as if the SIM were not even in the phone. I can't even go to the wireless settings because its telling me there is no SIM. This happened immediately after I rebooted from flashing the radio.

Maybe a bad flash. Try Odin see if that solve the problem.
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Since youre coming from an ICS ROM youre going to want to do a superwipe (tdj's superwipe...its in the dev forum) before you try to flash the new update. ICS partitions a bit differently than GB and that may be your issue.

Did you flash the radio without the RIL files?

if u have an backup try using it or ur going to have to do an dark side super wipe and reflash the rom again, if u have any important documents u should back them up

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if u have an backup try using it or ur going to have to do an dark side super wipe and reflash the rom again, if u have any important documents u should back them up
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Backups don't save radios

[Q] XNA1

I'm on CM10.2 baseband XXMH1, will I get any benefits from switching to XXNA1 and how do I do it without losing my data and ROM, I can back it up with CWM I guess, do I need ODIN to change baseband? I don't get these stuff at all

needo2 said:
I'm on CM10.2 baseband XXMH1, will I get any benefits from switching to XXNA1 and how do I do it without losing my data and ROM, I can back it up with CWM I guess, do I need ODIN to change baseband? I don't get these stuff at all
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NA1 reboot when hold power i dont know if its my phone or sammy prob
use Titanium backup/helium to backup/restore data (helium is backup data only, no apps)

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NA1 reboot when hold power i dont know if its my phone or sammy prob
use Titanium backup/helium to backup/restore data (helium is backup data only, no apps)
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Problem you mention happens on stock ROM or all ROMs?, do I need ODIN to get XNA1?

Stock only. You need odin to flash the md5 :/
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