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Report says galaxy s2 will get ICS on march 15, wheres at least 4.0.3 for Nexus?

Hi, So as many of you have heard/read, it looks like the GS2 will be getting ICS soon (possibly in a couple of weeks). That version will probably by 4.0.3 or .4 My question is where is the nexus update? At this rate the GS2 will have a better version of ICS.
I am day one Nexus purchaser. I have owned the G1, N One, Nexus S, And Now GN.
But out of all the phones I have bought, this phone is by far the worst experience. Frankly its because of all the things google said would be fixed with ICS and the fact that the other phones did not have glaring issues at launch. The browser lags, battery life is just OK, this app switch button lags really badly (yes 1-3 sec is bad Lag in this case) and so on and so on.
It bugs me that 4.0.3 and .4 fix this and the GS2 might have it before, but we haven't gotten it yet. I feel like I am using beta software cause there are so many things that need to be fixed in 4.0.2.
I never recall Apple releasing a software this messed up. And they usually have updates out relatively quick. Also Do not tell me to flash some rom, I do not feel comfortable doing so with a $600 phone nor should I be fixing the problems with this device.
I just feel like google needs to come out and say when they will update their phones. Give a timeline and if it needs to take longer to finish,then there is nothing you can do about it, but do not release software that has some glaring issues with it. Trust me if the nexus release in January as opposed to NOV-DEC. I think almost everyone would have still bought it.
Thats the end of my rant
Thanks!
P.S. I am ready for any and all flaming.

The SGS2's ICS will blow, it will be the same old TW garbage. Most of the leaked alphas/betas have been 4.0.3 fwiw. Each of them had pretty large issues of their own and if the final release is bug free I'll be really, really....really shocked.

I heard it was coming out tomorrow, since I already have 4.0.4 I won't get the update to share though. You know why Apple doesn't have to update so much? When they release, it's already outdated hardware and software (but it's thoroughly tested).
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if you want 4.0.3 download a custom ROM. You buy a 'developer' phone then complain that it has issues... The Galaxy Nexus will be updated in due time.
Being a custom ROM is always nicer than stock especially since our phones only run AOSP. Anything added over what Google only makes our device better.

Didn't we just have this thread? *eyeroll*
If the best thing you can find to troll about is the fact that the S2 is *finally* getting ICS when us Gnex owners have had it since last November, and the S2 *might possibly* have a newer version for a few weeks, after which you probably won't see even bug fix updates for six months or more... I think you're scraping the bottom of the barrel, mate.
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Come on....just sell the GNex buy SGSII if it makes you happy
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Last time I checked, I've been running 4.0.3 for a while now....how about you? Lol

Touchwiz + ICS is a ugly experience. At least on the leak builds I've used on my Epic 4g Touch. Plus what Samsung does and what Google does is too different things.
Your talking about a phone that been out for almost 2 years n comparing it to a phone that only been out since Nov of last year. The GS2 deserves it update since its been on the market longer .
Like I said Touchwiz just don't look right on ICS. Matter of fact any skin don't look right on ICS
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4.0.3 for the Gnex is here
You're welcome.

I think he's damn right. Don't tell me to flash a ROM on my GN made by some "dude" because that ROM is better then the one provided by Google engineers lol
I've bought the GN for the same reason most of us have - Timely Updates . Not to say I didn't think there would be a version updated by Samsung and one updated by Google...:|
Not to say the Nexus S users (most of them) are waiting for their updates too.
P.S. See this thread here about the custom roms http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1532793

Last I checked I am running 4.0.4. WORD UP

MFire said:
I think he's damn right. Don't tell me to flash a ROM on my GN made by some "dude" because that ROM is better then the one provided by Google engineers lol
I've bought the GN for the same reason most of us have - Timely Updates . Not to say I didn't think there would be a version updated by Samsung and one updated by Google...:|
Not to say the Nexus S users (most of them) are waiting for their updates too.
P.S. See this thread here about the custom roms http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1532793
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Yea because 4.0.3 is made by "some dude". If he is unable or too afraid to flash 4.0.3 then he can wait until Google officially releases it as OTA. 4.0.3 is available for flashing, if he chooses not to flash it then I don't want to hear any complaining.
The sgs2 is a joke BTW.

stupidslow02gt said:
Yea because 4.0.3 is made by "some dude". If he is unable or too afraid to flash 4.0.3 then he can wait until Google officially releases it as OTA. 4.0.3 is available for flashing, if he chooses not to flash it then I don't want to hear any complaining.
The sgs2 is a joke BTW.
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the source for 4.0.3 has been out for ages, you can compile and flash it yourself. pure google and unmodified.

Omfg its the end of humanity. Run run run. Gs2 getting ics 4.9.9 and galaxy still on 4.0.0 lol. BIG DEAL ..LOL like 99% of guys here their gnex not rooted ! I'm on 4.0.4. Big deal lol
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Lmao. Have you seen ics on the SGSII it has tw over it. Nothing will be a major upgrade. It will still look like this but have 4.0.x on the about screen. Big deal. The development over in that section is dead anyway. They pick up one new dev and boot 2.
I went from 4.0.2 to 4.0.4. Back to 4.0.3 we are still winning
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stupidslow02gt said:
Yea because 4.0.3 is made by "some dude". If he is unable or too afraid to flash 4.0.3 then he can wait until Google officially releases it as OTA. 4.0.3 is available for flashing, if he chooses not to flash it then I don't want to hear any complaining.
The sgs2 is a joke BTW.
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Coming from an SGS2 I can tell you the only thing which is good on this phone is the 720p screen, but it can't playback 720p movies.
The camera of the s2 was much better but I don't take a lot of pictures so I don't care.
And I don't know why but this phone lags a lot, but it doesn't have freezes nor random reboots
And last but not least, battery life was excellent on the SGSII, I could easily make it through a day, the battery life of the GN is much worse!
So please think twice before saying the SGSII is a joke because at some points it is even superior to the Galaxy Nexus! But I love this 720p screen so much that's why I keep it!

Does the numerical value of the OS you're using really mean that much to you? What major features are you desperately missing in going from .2 to .3? If someone repackaged a 4.0.2 update and renamed it 4.0.5, I guarantee you wouldn't know the difference. In fact you would probably brag how much smoother and more battery efficient it is.
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So many Nexus apologists in here.
shoman24v said:
You buy a 'developer' phone then complain that it has issues... The Galaxy Nexus will be updated in due time.
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The Galaxy Nexus isn't a 'developer' phone, that's exactly why you put developer in quotes. Technically it might have been made with developers in mind but you can buy a Galaxy Nexus in a brick and mortar store right alongside every other Android device with no special membership, card or secret handshake required. So the Galaxy Nexus cannot be forgiven any faults because it's a developer phone - I didn't get this thing for free at Google I/O did I?
Anyway, I agree with the OP so much. Even though the main reason I sold my SGS2 was to get ICS, I don't really care if the SGS2 is getting ICS 3 months later. I just want my Nexus to get OTA updates when they are supposed to be out, I don't want to be discriminated because I bought my phone in country X or from carrier Y and be stuck in the past while more special Nexus' are getting updates.
vennstrom said:
Come on....just sell the GNex buy SGSII if it makes you happy
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Why? You can't handle someone not sharing your opinion on a device and then sharing those views online?
We aren't slaves to these corporations. We don't sell a device we own at a loss, pick up a new device, find out it's not exactly as advertised so then we can go back tail between our legs. We pay good money and we have the right to be critical.
YoungAceAtlanta said:
Your talking about a phone that been out for almost 2 years n comparing it to a phone that only been out since Nov of last year. The GS2 deserves it update since its been on the market longer .
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The Galaxy S2 was not even announced yet one year ago to this day. It didn't even come out in the US until 6 months ago give or take... 2 years is way off, just saying.
bootsie99 said:
Last I checked I am running 4.0.4. WORD UP
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And if still owned my HD2 I'd be running 4.0.4 as well...
That's not the point of this thread, I'm sure most people buy a Nexus device specifically because they are not interested in unofficial/custom ROMs.

That's not the point of this thread, I'm sure most people buy a Nexus device specifically because they are not interested in unofficial/custom ROMs.
Yes,yes 100% ++++++++++

hiraj_panosian said:
Coming from an SGS2 I can tell you the only thing which is good on this phone is the 720p screen, but it can't playback 720p movies.
The camera of the s2 was much better but I don't take a lot of pictures so I don't care.
And I don't know why but this phone lags a lot, but it doesn't have freezes nor random reboots
And last but not least, battery life was excellent on the SGSII, I could easily make it through a day, the battery life of the GN is much worse!
So please think twice before saying the SGSII is a joke because at some points it is even superior to the Galaxy Nexus! But I love this 720p screen so much that's why I keep it!
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This phone plys 720p movies fine and if it doesn't for you, then check your user manual. You are doing something wrong.

R800x Baseband version? And updating for ICS for R800x??

Hey guys I'm completely stumped on what my baseband is because it's NOT any of this -32 or 62 or 64 stuff that I see everyone talking about and I was curious about getting a stable ICS on my R800x. Sad thing is almost nothing seems to be compatible with my phone and my current ROM. (R800x with UK ROM) I love the UK rom but there seems to be nothing for it or something that is wrong that's not letting me really upgrade to anything. I see the requirements for everything now is requiring baseband 4.0 something something and I don't have any of this.
So I would like to know how to upgrade this phone to the CORRECT stats to get my phone MAXED out. I'm such a noob to this stuff and I have searched this forum again and again and alot of this stuff is still complicating for me so please bear with me. I also have a Screenshot of my phones info so maybe you guys can see what I need to go here.
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So if I'm doing anything wrong please tell me. If you need additional info also let me know. Thanks in advance!

Squall429 said:
Hey guys I'm completely stumped on what my baseband is because it's NOT any of this -32 or 62 or 64 stuff that I see everyone talking about and I was curious about getting a stable ICS on my R800x. Sad thing is almost nothing seems to be compatible with my phone and my current ROM. (R800x with UK ROM) I love the UK rom but there seems to be nothing for it or something that is wrong that's not letting me really upgrade to anything. I see the requirements for everything now is requiring baseband 4.0 something something and I don't have any of this.
So I would like to know how to upgrade this phone to the CORRECT stats to get my phone MAXED out. I'm such a noob to this stuff and I have searched this forum again and again and alot of this stuff is still complicating for me so please bear with me. I also have a Screenshot of my phones info so maybe you guys can see what I need to go here.
So if I'm doing anything wrong please tell me. If you need additional info also let me know. Thanks in advance!
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Hello Squall429.
Those basebands are for GSM users (R800i/a/at).
The most stable ICS ROM for R800x is CyanogenMod 9 by paxChristos, as it has very little problems at this state.
It requires you to unlock your bootloader, which can be done from this site, with a fee of $24.

I have my bootloader already unlocked. And why this version of the phone so neglected? Is it due to it being CDMA?
Sent from my R800x using XDA

Thanks.

Squall429 said:
I have my bootloader already unlocked. And why this version of the phone so neglected? Is it due to it being CDMA?
Sent from my R800x using XDA
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The fact that it is the only version of the Xperia Play that is a CDMA is more of a contributing factor, rather than the full reason. Most of the developers for the Xperia Play are from outside the United States, and a vast majority of them do not have CDMA networks. In fact, Verizon Wireless is the only carrier (official) that has the R800x.
The reason why CDMA has such a problem, aside from lack of developers, is the fact that the R800x technically isn't allowed to be unlocked. Sony originally unlocked them, but Verizon threw a fit, so now we can't unlock without going through a backdoor method. As such, people such as the FXP team, which does the CyanogenMod ports, don't really want to touch the R800x. At least, that's what they say.
Most of the reason why the CDMA isn't developed for, really, is a lack of demand. It's not that we're not demanding, but the fact that we are a small group, compared to the other versions of the R800 series. Thankfully, we have people like paxChristos and agraceful developing/porting for us, as well as a number of foreign developers, like KeiranFTW and DooMLoRD, that try to help port things for our phones, even though they don't have the CDMA version.
So there you go, and thanks to the developers who pity us.

lightningdude said:
The fact that it is the only version of the Xperia Play that is a CDMA is more of a contributing factor, rather than the full reason. Most of the developers for the Xperia Play are from outside the United States, and a vast majority of them do not have CDMA networks. In fact, Verizon Wireless is the only carrier (official) that has the R800x.
The reason why CDMA has such a problem, aside from lack of developers, is the fact that the R800x technically isn't allowed to be unlocked. Sony originally unlocked them, but Verizon threw a fit, so now we can't unlock without going through a backdoor method. As such, people such as the FXP team, which does the CyanogenMod ports, don't really want to touch the R800x. At least, that's what they say.
Most of the reason why the CDMA isn't developed for, really, is a lack of demand. It's not that we're not demanding, but the fact that we are a small group, compared to the other versions of the R800 series. Thankfully, we have people like paxChristos and agraceful developing/porting for us, as well as a number of foreign developers, like KeiranFTW and DooMLoRD, that try to help port things for our phones, even though they don't have the CDMA version.
So there you go, and thanks to the developers who pity us.
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Interesting lesson and also depressing to say at least. Thanks! So...is the CyanogenMod ICS ROM good on battery life? Compared to the R800x with UK Firmware.

Squall429 said:
Interesting lesson and also depressing to say at least. Thanks! So...is the CyanogenMod ICS ROM good on battery life? Compared to the R800x with UK Firmware.
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Its not as good as stock, but it is decent enough.

Leraeniesh said:
Its not as good as stock, but it is decent enough.
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Well then I dunno if I have a defective battery or not but my battery barely lasts a day until I have to charge it. I have the R800x UK Firmware ROM because Verizon's stock ROM is crap for me. 5 screens, horrible widgets and dumbed down version of other ones. It's so limited than the UK.
Got any tips for my battery to last as long as these people says theres do? 5 days on a charge with moderate to heavy use?

Squall429 said:
Well then I dunno if I have a defective battery or not but my battery barely lasts a day until I have to charge it. I have the R800x UK Firmware ROM because Verizon's stock ROM is crap for me. 5 screens, horrible widgets and dumbed down version of other ones. It's so limited than the UK.
Got any tips for my battery to last as long as these people says theres do? 5 days on a charge with moderate to heavy use?
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I do moderate gaming (2-3 hours total), with WiFi on 75% of the time grabbing Emails and Texts, while listening to music for 4-5 hours.
I take off the charger at 5:30, and put it on at 9, with about 10% battery left.
I don't think I could ever get 5 days
Try reduceing screen brightness, and use less animations/gaming/video

Squall429 said:
Well then I dunno if I have a defective battery or not but my battery barely lasts a day until I have to charge it. I have the R800x UK Firmware ROM because Verizon's stock ROM is crap for me. 5 screens, horrible widgets and dumbed down version of other ones. It's so limited than the UK.
Got any tips for my battery to last as long as these people says theres do? 5 days on a charge with moderate to heavy use?
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Anyone who says they are getting 5 days on a charge with ANY use, let alone moderate to heavy use, is blowing smoke out of their arse.
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netizenmt said:
Anyone who says they are getting 5 days on a charge with ANY use, let alone moderate to heavy use, is blowing smoke out of their arse.
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I can get 5 days pretty easily with my smexy MUGEN battery

jacklebott said:
I can get 5 days pretty easily with my smexy MUGEN battery
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I want a MUGEN battery but those are 80 freakin' dollars XD Are they really worth it?

Squall429 said:
I want a MUGEN battery but those are 80 freakin' dollars XD Are they really worth it?
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I haven't regretted the purchase yet, but it's up to you. Had it since September 2011

jacklebott said:
I haven't regretted the purchase yet, but it's up to you. Had it since September 2011
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I actually bought a somewhat extended battery on eBay it's a 1780mAh I think with a microchip built in to prevent overcharging and making the battery last longer. Guess I'll see how that goes.
So about this ICS Rom. How is it? Does Video Recording work yet? And what's the best kernel to everything smoother and have good battery life with?
Doomlord
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UK Stock
or Verizon Stock?

I have an R800x as well and I want to know if I could flash MIUIv4 and use that as a ROM. I know I'd have to change the kernel, but what else would I have to change to get that to work?

usern3mo said:
I have an R800x as well and I want to know if I could flash MIUIv4 and use that as a ROM. I know I'd have to change the kernel, but what else would I have to change to get that to work?
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Flash the CM9 R800x conversion zip from the CM9 nightlies thread.
Sent from my R800x using XDA

lightningdude said:
Flash the CM9 R800x conversion zip from the CM9 nightlies thread.
Sent from my R800x using XDA
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Are you referring to this? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1661091
After I flash that, I'll be able to use MIUIv4 because its based off of CM9, right?
If so, which kernel should I use?

ICS update up in the air now?

Droid-Life just posted some new dates for the expected Ice Cream Sandwich update. Apparently HTC is now listing the DINC2 as being "To be determined (by the end of August). This doesn't sound very promising to me anymore. Not sure what may have changed but obviously something has.
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/05/2...lt-in-july-august-incredible-2-up-in-the-air/
http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4blog
Hopefully, the devs can figure out things even if this does not drop for us.

thats troubling...but given that it was previously promised and that all the sister/cousin phones (including the tbolt which was released earlier) are getting it, id say its still coming
(why even update the rhyme? no one got it, and the women that did dont care about gb/ics/whatever)
lame
although another take could be, its getting the update...but time frame is "tbd" but will be by the end of august regardless

nitsuj17 said:
although another take could be, its getting the update...but time frame is "tbd" but will be by the end of august regardless
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I think this is correct.

nitsuj17 said:
thats troubling...but given that it was previously promised and that all the sister/cousin phones (including the tbolt which was released earlier) are getting it, id say its still coming
(why even update the rhyme? no one got it, and the women that did dont care about gb/ics/whatever)
lame
although another take could be, its getting the update...but time frame is "tbd" but will be by the end of august regardless
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One can hope that is for sure. However, with Verizon nothing surprises me as they like to cancel things at the last moment up to and including whole phones.

Yeah, the Thunderbolt and the Evo Design 4G both have our exact same chipset, so I don't see why it wouldn't be around June or so (once again, barring VZW's inane approval process).
EDIT: I think this is causing an unnecessary freakout. It's the Schedule that is TBD, not the update itself.
The majority of devices will receive upgrades in June and July 2012 and we expect to finish upgrades in August 2012 for all announced devices.
Our device has been announced by HTC and VZW as getting the upgrade. I'm willing to bet it's >90% done already by HTC, it's just a matter of when at this point.
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Eh... not too worried. We will get it when we get it.

For the benefit of those in here, I am quoting my post from the OpenSense ROM thread:
nitsuj17 said:
i posted in the thread in general....
my best guess is that "tbd" refers to when they actually will release, but "by the end of august" is the latest they will release it
wouldnt make sense to not release an update for a semi popular phone (or at least 10x popular as the rhyme) that is running the same chipset as so many of the other phones on that list
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PLUS, and a huge plus, they said they will update it. I believe they should and would realize what a faux pas it will be if they now come out and say, you know what "We ain't gonna release it".
Plus, after scrutinizing the language used in the following sentences:
When will my device get the Android 4.0 upgrade?
The target timeline for announced devices is below. Because of partner and network testing, and approval processes for device updates, it can take up to 45 days for all carriers and countries to get the update after a rollout has begun.
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It sounds to me that they are going to release ICS for the Dinc2. It is on the list of devices with a schedule of release dates... PLUS, a FAQ below says this:
What devices will not get Android 4.0?
We work hard to ensure each of our products has the optimal user experience and therefore some products will remain at their current version of Android. In general, devices with 512MB ROM or less will not be upgraded to Android 4.0. These devices include the HTC ChaCha, HTC Salsa, HTC Wildfire S, HTC Explorer, and others.
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Now, tell me how can you even think that the Dinc2 is not getting ICS when, (a) it is in the list of devices scheduled to get ICS some time back, (b) it is in the table of devices getting ICS and the corresponding timelines and (c) it is NOT in the list of devices specifically mentioned as not getting ICS?
So, verdict: Chill out man! Our phone is gonna get some ICS love!
Captain Obvious, over and out.
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Not double posting. Just letting people get the relevant info as they probably wouldn't have expected the info to be in that other thread. Lemme know if I did something wrong! (hope not)

Verizon has a way of disappointing customers with last second decisions. I have been a customer of Verizon for over a decade so I have an idea of what I am talking about.
Of course, I hope for the best but they have a distinct way of stating things so that it can be left open for doubt. As the date for the release indicates. All other devices got a, very rare, 2 month expected date. Ours didn't. Which could easily lead to a "we are sorry but we have determined it would not be in our best interests to upgrade this device".

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Which could easily lead to a "we are sorry but we have determined it would not be in our best interests to upgrade this device".
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LOL! I wonder if they say "in our best interest"... That sounds like they are admitting that doing so will effect their profit margins
EDIT: Why would updating Rhyme make more sense than Dinc2. And why is it of higher priority than Dinc2 that it gets a more solid time frame???
EDIT 2: There is no way in hell they can pull off or even ATTEMPT to suggest that "sorry, we plan not to update the Dinc2. It is not capable of running ICS". Why? The Droid Incredible S is getting it in June/July!!! It is the same phone! With same processor, RAM, ROM etc. Probably a different radio (GSM versus CDMA).. So, I feel we better calm down and wait to see if HTC releases an official statement to clarify the ruckus...

litetaker said:
LOL! I wonder if they say "in our best interest"... That sounds like they are admitting that doing so will effect their profit margins
EDIT: Why would updating Rhyme make more sense than Dinc2. And why is it of higher priority than Dinc2 that it gets a more solid time frame???
EDIT 2: There is no way in hell they can pull off or even ATTEMPT to suggest that "sorry, we plan not to update the Dinc2. It is not capable of running ICS". Why? The Droid Incredible S is getting it in June/July!!! It is the same phone! With same processor, RAM, ROM etc. Probably a different radio (GSM versus CDMA).. So, I feel we better calm down and wait to see if HTC releases an official statement to clarify the ruckus...
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You obviously don't understand Verizon. Please notice I did not say HTC. HTC is not the deciding factor here, Verizon is.

blazingwolf said:
You obviously don't understand Verizon. Please notice I did not say HTC. HTC is not the deciding factor here, Verizon is.
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Well, that much is true, since I have been on Verizon for less than a year. Anyway, I am no dev, but it stands to reason that Kernels written for the IncS will (at least partly) work for Inc2. Excepting code meant for Radio etc., the rest of it should work for Inc2 as they are basically having the same hardware, right??
If so, and if Verizon screws me over (again, first DX2 and now this) then experienced devs may be able to pull code necessary for Camera from the Inc S's kernel and incorporate it into ours. Problem solved.

litetaker said:
EDIT 2: There is no way in hell they can pull off or even ATTEMPT to suggest that "sorry, we plan not to update the Dinc2. It is not capable of running ICS". Why? The Droid Incredible S is getting it in June/July!!! It is the same phone! With same processor, RAM, ROM etc. Probably a different radio (GSM versus CDMA).. So, I feel we better calm down and wait to see if HTC releases an official statement to clarify the ruckus...
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Adding to that, most of us here are already running ICS without their official update lol...
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litetaker said:
Well, that much is true, since I have been on Verizon for less than a year. Anyway, I am no dev, but it stands to reason that Kernels written for the IncS will (at least partly) work for Inc2. Excepting code meant for Radio etc., the rest of it should work for Inc2 as they are basically having the same hardware, right??
If so, and if Verizon screws me over (again, first DX2 and now this) then experienced devs may be able to pull code necessary for Camera from the Inc S's kernel and incorporate it into ours. Problem solved.
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Perhaps, but take the time to read the threads and you will notice that all devs say they need source code to do it right. Notice they have not said the source code for the IncS.
Anyways, I'm not going to debate it with you anymore. Only time will tell if we get an actual ICS release or not.

prototype7 said:
Adding to that, most of us here are already running ICS without their official update lol...
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That has never been in question as that is usually the only way some devices get updates. However, a released stock ROM will always help make things batter.

I have been with Verizon for 10 years about now. I always loved the service but over the last 2 years they are pissing me off. First they screwed over the droidx2. Then the unlimited data is going away and now the Dinc2 might not get what was told we would get. If verizon screws us again I am leaving to another carrier no matter what. I hate verizon at this point.

Definitely getting the feeling of the Eris all over again.

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That has never been in question as that is usually the only way some devices get updates. However, a released stock ROM will always help make things batter.
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Of course, I was just supporting lite that saying our device can't run ICS is BS.
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HTC Facebook answered this for me. ICS end of August.
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I honestly don't even see the point of updating this phone in august.....
I'm definitely jumping to Galaxy S III, never liked sense and probably never will, but that's my 2 cents.

xHoLyx said:
I honestly don't even see the point of updating this phone in august.....
I'm definitely jumping to Galaxy S III, never liked sense and probably never will, but that's my 2 cents.
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Its always good to see updates for older phones....especially since going forward those of us with unlimited data (and want to keep it) can't use upgraded to get cheap phones
Sgs3 will probably fall after the cutoff, and unless I really save up won't get it....the vzw variant will most likely not be as popular as it would have been

Note 4 getting another over-the-air update, Will AT&T get this one?

I know we didn't get the first firmware update, that supposedly increased battery usage, performance etc, but maybe we get this one?
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/11/21/samsung-galaxy-note-4-getting-another-over-the-air-update/

That's for international phones and since we are not rooted and don't have custom recovery for AT&T we can't use it
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I'm sure you will see one shortly anyways for the gear vr . It was stated during oculus connect that a ota will have to roll out in front of the release. Which the release is scheduled for beginning of December. That is unless the update will only push if you have it connected to the VR. I guess only time will tell.

AT&T (who should have no involvement in device updates, but in this great country of ours, does) could do 1 of 3 things
1) Release the first update, then the second, then lollipop (least likely)
2) Release a combined update with both the first and second updates (possible, though unlikely, maybe this is why the didn't bother with the first one)
3) Don't release anything ecept Lollipop. Logically, it would contain any previous updates in the 5.0 build (most likely what will happen)
#3 seems to be the main choice. I can't understand why AT&T or any other carrier would spend a single cent on software and development. It doesn't seem to fit what they do. They can push in their bloatware without holding back on everything. Maybe they do stability testing, and ensuring it doesn't effect the network stability, which I would understand, but minor updates are way toooooo hard to trickle down from the manufacturer to the end user.

I was in bestbuy , all there phones are international. They all had a software update waiting. You couldn't stop it or force quit it, it was awesome. But with that said, the demo software security policy was making the update fall. Just about everyone of there note 4 was in endless full boot, try upgrade, restart.

I think I should asking, when does the AT&T Note 4 get Lollipop? Next Christmas in 2015?

sandman7793 said:
I was in bestbuy , all there phones are international. They all had a software update waiting. You couldn't stop it or force quit it, it was awesome. But with that said, the demo software security policy was making the update fall. Just about everyone of there note 4 was in endless full boot, try upgrade, restart.
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That IS awesome :laugh:

Yea I can't believe that situation with the gear vr needing a firmware update to work. If it's left to the carriers, a lot of early adopters may be stuck waiting. It doesn't work on any retail version of the phone right now, according to the oculus forums.
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AT&T (who should have no involvement in device updates, but in this great country of ours, does)
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Well, they like to test and quality the updates to make sure they don't enable features they don't allow or break their network. It's their network, so that's their right - as a free enterprise business in this great country we live in.
When you start your own billion dollar wireless network, you can approve updates however you see fit. Until then...

JasonJoel said:
Well, they like to test and quality the updates to make sure they don't enable features they don't allow or break their network. It's their network, so that's their right - as a free enterprise business in this great country we live in.
When you start your own billion dollar wireless network, you can approve updates however you see fit. Until then...
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Wow... a bit aggressive of a response (but thats the internet for ya). Not many people here defending the carriers.
The international devices are not managed in the same way. I certainly understand testing for their network, but I am sure that the international networks are not crashing from lack of testing. The system in the US is out of date. Few, would argue it. Google certainly seems to thing so, they are unbundling much of their software to avoid dealing with the carriers on updates. Other companies like HTC have also begun releasing their included software as separate apps that can be updated via google play. There are many threads throughout XDA that call for eliminating the carriers from the updates system. I see it happening at some point, though not soon.
I for one am not against their blocking root. I like root, I have rooted many devices, but hacking a device to put on their network that can break their network, or exploit their resources, is an understandable precaution, however, withholding a firmware update issued by the manufacturer that provides either improved usability of a device, or fixes for discovered flaws seems extremely anti consumer and wrong.
I am very pro business, I don't hate the carriers, I understand what they do, and why they do it. I just don't like this 1 thing about them. Simple. I still want to know why they waste any of their resources on holding back and doing whatever to the updates before rolling them out, if they roll them out at all. If I had a GPE device or a Nexus device, they don't block the upgrades. iPhone either. (and I seriously doubt much advanced testing gets done on them by the carriers)

That is a great point at the end. IPhone. For as big as they've gotten, they don't block updates. I know people will say there aren't as many device variants etc. But most times the updates are available and carriers or specific manufactures hold them back or never release them.

AT&T blocking carrier firmware updates? Do we have any proof of this, or are we only assuming? I have heard in times past, this is what Google did to market the Android OS to the major carriers to get leaway on Apple. To make this "new" OS very appealing. To gain leverage.
1: to the device manufacturers - a free OS (or very cheep) that can be skinned to their hearts content.
2: to the carriers - to have any software installed, and not removed by customers. To have any form of limitations implemented for the sake of their business model.

arjun90 said:
I think I should asking, when does the AT&T Note 4 get Lollipop? Next Christmas in 2015?
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It is being tested as we speak. Lollipop is a drastic code revision so they unfortunately have to make sure the "added" apps function properly. I'd be very surprised if it wasn't being released before Christmas.

What do we have here on this new update. Hi gear VR.
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It is being tested as we speak. Lollipop is a drastic code revision so they unfortunately have to make sure the "added" apps function properly. I'd be very surprised if it wasn't being released before Christmas.
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Someone, somewhere (sorry, I don't remember exactly where) had a photo of the actual (allegedly) working document with time tables and status updates from Samsung for Lollipop. It listed the Note 4, but NOT the AT&T version as "Final Testing" due in "January 15"
However, the point of this conversation is that it won't be rolled out to the carriers at the same time as the Samsung responsibility models are. So that date means very little. Well, if history serves, I seriously doubt that AT&T will release it before Samsung releases the international versions.

JasonJoel said:
Well, they like to test and quality the updates to make sure they don't enable features they don't allow or break their network. It's their network, so that's their right - as a free enterprise business in this great country we live in.
When you start your own billion dollar wireless network, you can approve updates however you see fit. Until then...
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@JasonJoel I just have to say, after reading your posts on this thread and another, I am pretty sure you are an AT&T Corp spy sent to XDA to get info and spin positive feedback for the company lol Kidding #notkidding

Lol. I can see how one might think that. But, no.
I'm not saying I like any of AT&T policies, my only point is that they have every right to do it and run their company however they want. I get annoyed when people say a business should / shouldn't be allowed to do things - too socialist for my tastes.

JasonJoel said:
Lol. I can see how one might think that. But, no.
I'm not saying I like any of AT&T policies, my only point is that they have every right to do it and run their company however they want. I get annoyed when people say a business should / shouldn't be allowed to do things - too socialist for my tastes.
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Well said sir well said I agree with you overall on that.

This VR services **** better not be always running.
God damned ****ing bull**** censor. **** is the only word that's appropriate for VR.

raduque said:
This VR services **** better not be always running.
God damned ****ing bull**** censor. **** is the only word that's appropriate for VR.
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Lol. Delete that ****e.

New leaked marshmallow schedule

http://www.slashgear.com/galaxy-s6-...ollout-leaked-with-updated-schedule-25424189/

Oh good, will have to wait to February now. Samsung is getting much worse with it's updates!

Fake!

Maybe it's fake but it's 25 of January and still nothing from Samsung except the beta testing....

In my opinion, Samsung still developing the android 6.0 or probably will jump directly to 6.0.1.. Since the new version of android is very vital to the user, Samsung has to make sure the new one is better than the previous one. Remember a lot of issues when upgrading from KitKat to Lollipop such as overheat in Galaxy S5. It seems Samsung is avoid the same mistakes again. If the information is correct, we shall going to enjoy the update in couple weeks..

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In my opinion, Samsung still developing the android 6.0 or probably will jump directly to 6.0.1.. Since the new version of android is very vital to the user, Samsung has to make sure the new one is better than the previous one. Remember a lot of issues when upgrading from KitKat to Lollipop such as overheat in Galaxy S5. It seems Samsung is avoid the same mistakes again. If the information is correct, we shall going to enjoy the update in couple weeks..
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you do realize s6/edge already have 6.0.1 beta right? So we don't need your opinion on what samsung is developing, because we already know that and as for the "new one is better than the previous one" statement I must say it's total bull**** and please stop defending samsung like they're some kind of a saint. Difference between lollipop and marshmallow is way to insignificant for them to need 5 months or more to release an update for their flagship line that costs an arm and a leg. And checking the 6.0.1 beta on s6/e, there's not much changed.. plus they had how much time if we count the release of marshmallow beta? Their competition already updated their flagships AND last gen flagships.. my dads LG G3 and moms HTC M8 both have marshmallow, and YES they BOTH perform much better than they did on lollipop. Especially the M8, which now runs much smoother than my s6e+.
Don't get me wrong, I love the hardware of the phone, but software wise samsung is still terrible, PLUS they suck with updates.
Right now it really just looks like that they will stall with the update until S7 is announced or maybe even released... beacuse business reasons I guess.

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you do realize s6/edge already have 6.0.1 beta right? So we don't need your opinion on what samsung is developing, because we already know that and as for the "new one is better than the previous one" statement I must say it's total bull**** and please stop defending samsung like they're some kind of a saint. Difference between lollipop and marshmallow is way to insignificant for them to need 5 months or more to release an update for their flagship line that costs an arm and a leg. And checking the 6.0.1 beta on s6/e, there's not much changed.. plus they had how much time if we count the release of marshmallow beta? Their competition already updated their flagships AND last gen flagships.. my dads LG G3 and moms HTC M8 both have marshmallow, and YES they BOTH perform much better than they did on lollipop. Especially the M8, which now runs much smoother than my s6e+.
Don't get me wrong, I love the hardware of the phone, but software wise samsung is still terrible, PLUS they suck with updates.
Right now it really just looks like that they will stall with the update until S7 is announced or maybe even released... beacuse business reasons I guess.
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Just because of lack of updates comparing with the others doesn't means it comes bad.. Don't you realize that a lot of manufactures also have not applied marshmallow in their handset.. If you really want a quick update in your phone, then you can switch to another manufacture that give it like you just said. I don't defend samsung like a saint, but I am trying to be more realistic with the condition.

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Just because of lack of updates comparing with the others doesn't means it comes bad.. Don't you realize that a lot of manufactures also have not applied marshmallow in their handset.. If you really want a quick update in your phone, then you can switch to another manufacture that give it like you just said. I don't defend samsung like a saint, but I am trying to be more realistic with the condition.
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I know a lot of manufactures didn't update yet, but the main competition did, and samsung is just not giving enough effort into updating their software. I also completely understand that the majority of users simply don't care about updates, but why wouldn't they also please advanced users. I mean they could totally have released a beta update for the s6e+ and note 5 when they released it for s6/e and it would please me and all the other eager users, but now I feel punished for paying 300+ € over the s6. Even the S5 had some marhmallow "leaks".

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I know a lot of manufactures didn't update yet, but the main competition did, and samsung is just not giving enough effort into updating their software. I also completely understand that the majority of users simply don't care about updates, but why wouldn't they also please advanced users. I mean they could totally have released a beta update for the s6e+ and note 5 when they released it for s6/e and it would please me and all the other eager users, but now I feel punished for paying 300+ € over the s6. Even the S5 had some marhmallow "leaks".
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If you really want Fast updates then get Iphone or Nexus device next time. simple as that.

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If you really want Fast updates then get Iphone or Nexus device next time. simple as that.
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Wow, i can't speak for everyone but I would like the update so my phone will work properly. I have poor reception on my phone, i cant really talk on my phone, get good internet connection, and have issues sending messages. I was advised by my wireless carrier and samsung, that the Marshmallow update would correct said problems. So maybe if they sold phones that worked properly out of the box, some of us wouldn't be crying for updates

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If you really want Fast updates then get Iphone or Nexus device next time. simple as that.
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I would if nexus 6p would have been released by the time I was buying the phone. Actually it's still not available in Slovenia, only 5x is, 6p is coming end of January/early February, and yes, I am considering switching with someone 1 for 1 for a nexus 6p when they will be available, even if it's 250€ cheaper. And I don't really consider it being "fast updates" for expecting an update 5 months after the release of the software by google.
Funny thing is that I'm arguing about software updates on xda forums.. correct me, but no one is developing hardware on this forum or are they?

Its ready when it ready. Having seen the beta on the S6 I dont think we are missing much, its almost exactly the same.
Im never in a big hurry to get Android updates, a new version is always buggy for at least 3 to 4 months anyway, and as yet there has been no real bug fix for 6. After being burned by Googles own devices on every launch version since 4.2, I'm happy to wait for Google to fix its mess before Samsung jump on it.
Much of the reason why OEM devices are slower to update is that Android contains a lot of bugs, which the OEMs want to minimise before they release. Google dont care so much about the Nexus, if its buggy its buggy, the OEMs dont want that though.

it's all BS.... This is my last Samsung phone. They have no respect at all for their costumers. I hope hope the Dutch law suit against them , screws them where they deserve.

ChrisM75 said:
Its ready when it ready. Having seen the beta on the S6 I dont think we are missing much, its almost exactly the same.
Im never in a big hurry to get Android updates, a new version is always buggy for at least 3 to 4 months anyway, and as yet there has been no real bug fix for 6. After being burned by Googles own devices on every launch version since 4.2, I'm happy to wait for Google to fix its mess before Samsung jump on it.
Much of the reason why OEM devices are slower to update is that Android contains a lot of bugs, which the OEMs want to minimise before they release. Google dont care so much about the Nexus, if its buggy its buggy, the OEMs dont want that though.
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Well said... People are always complaining about the delayed updates but if an update cames out with bugs they complain also... This makes me laugh... Aren't your phones working?
Before Lollipop was released everyone was complaining and when it cames out i saw a lot of them returning to KK... if you all say the difference is minimal so what's the hurry?

They need to slim down the touchwiz stuff which may speed up the update times
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It's a fake. Don't believe in Ss. I buy an s6e+ for 1000$ in my country and still now there's no update. I think i'm gonna go back to iphone for the ip 6+ @@

people going to be really upset when they find out theres not much different between 5.11 and 6.

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people going to be really upset when they find out theres not much different between 5.11 and 6.
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I only want Doze to save battery life, am not bothered about the other Android 6 features.
if samsung make there UI skin more like iOS then am happy to.

on my nexus 7 with marshmallow battery on standby is brill but screen time just normal

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