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WP7 Annoying Call Menu

Hi guys
Who else thinks that planning of making calls in WP7,
is very annoying to click a button (marked in red picture) to open a menu specially Speaker
What do you think?
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For over 3 months this never annoyed me honestly.

Hasn't annoyed me yet either but i just got my phone this week. I was thinking of a better way they could have done it but all of my ideas have pluses and minus just the same so guess we got what we got.

No issues here... has worked fine for those time when I need to speaker phone it or use the keypad.

not annoying. it's a minimal design, so why have those options always display if you don't always need them?

Not happening here

I don't use speaker as much so it's no biggie, nor do I often use the keypad during a call, though I do sometimes. But overall it isn't THAT annoying, just a little.

I use the speaker about 50% if the time and I whole heartedly 100% agree with the OP. Its a pain to have to hit that little button every time
it doesn't ruin the whole experience for me, but it is pretty annoying.

<3 hTc
If I want something from the menu, it's not too much hassle to have to click, and what's even better is that thanks to hTc's Attentive Phone app if i want the speakerphone, i just put the phone face down on a surface and the speaker automatically activates. Simples.

what the hell do the poll options mean lol

DatDereX1 said:
what the hell do the poll options mean lol
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i haven't a clue either

doministry said:
For over 3 months this never annoyed me honestly.
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Agree. I think that's actually a pretty good design, however I find it clunky. The buttons should be at the bottom, and I do think some obvious functionality like speaker phone should not require you to click twice. That's just my opinion.
TBQH, I much prefer the Galaxy S (Vibrant) dialer interface. It makes more sense.
But there isn't much wrong with this...
There is a point where you can take minimalist so far that it actually starts to impede on usability. This is one of those cases, IMO.

No problems for me either. I actually dig it because it allows you to tap the screen and perform tasks in the background. Alternatively, it allows you to look at whatever screen you were looking at before the call was made or received. e.g. you went into a specific profile under People, you're still able to see their contact info such as email if you were to email something to that person.
Even if those soft keys were available immediately when the call became active you'd still have to do some kind of multi-step process to accomplish some other task you wanted to do on your phone.
Frankly, I'd rather have the information I was looking at prior to when the call came or when I initiated the call, still immediately available to me. All in all seems pretty efficient to me for viewing information.

ScottSUmmers said:
No problems for me either. I actually dig it because it allows you to tap the screen and perform tasks in the background. Alternatively, it allows you to look at whatever screen you were looking at before the call was made or received. e.g. you went into a specific profile under People, you're still able to see their contact info such as email if you were to email something to that person.
Even if those soft keys were available immediately when the call became active you'd still have to do some kind of multi-step process to accomplish some other task you wanted to do on your phone.
Frankly, I'd rather have the information I was looking at prior to when the call came or when I initiated the call, still immediately available to me. All in all seems pretty efficient to me for viewing information.
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The dialer app multi tasks. There no excuse for hiding 4 options under a button - none whatsoever. You can simply home out of it and look at the entire page, or even use your data connection unless you're unfortunate and have a CDMA phone...

aquadextrous said:
If I want something from the menu, it's not too much hassle to have to click, and what's even better is that thanks to hTc's Attentive Phone app if i want the speakerphone, i just put the phone face down on a surface and the speaker automatically activates. Simples.
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Yes but what happens IF the phone is "face down" in pocket?

N8ter said:
The dialer app multi tasks. There no excuse for hiding 4 options under a button - none whatsoever. You can simply home out of it and look at the entire page, or even use your data connection unless you're unfortunate and have a CDMA phone...
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So you'd rather have the dial pad hidden instead? Or is everything going to be placed out in the forefront? There's only so much screen space, though I guess it could work. I'm looking at the Galaxy S and it looks ugly as ****. Screw that mess, I'd rather have the stuff I was looking at available for viewing in the background then a damn num pad.

N8ter said:
The dialer app multi tasks. There no excuse for hiding 4 options under a button - none whatsoever. You can simply home out of it and look at the entire page, or even use your data connection unless you're unfortunate and have a CDMA phone...
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It's not shown by default for the same reason battery and signal aren't shown on the start screen. Much cleaner look without the buttons showing. No need to always have them showing.

[Q] Off-Key Widget on Defy?

greetings!
Just recently i got a Motorola Defy, and to be honest the top power button seems a little wimpy.
i have downloaded two apps so far to circumvent the power key;
Tap Tap App and Fix Broken Power Button.
the following problems occur when attempting to power the phone down.
In Fix Broken Power Button the widget is completely inoperative.
in Tap Tap App the screen will flash dark, then immediately come to the lock screen.
i believe this has to do with the Defy's internal workings, and have seen other people have similar problems,
see http://forum.xda-developers.com/arch...t-1017269.html
is there hope for my phone?
thank you.

Get it replaced...
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All buttons on the Defy are "wimpy wimpy" because they are NOT the actual buttons, they are just a plastic cover over your real buttons so your phone doesn't die if you press one underwater.
The real buttons are sealed, otherwise moving them, taking pics with physical buttons or doing anything while your phone is under water would lead to water leaks inside.
About the issue with soft-poweroff, its a known issue related to how to shutoff screen on the Defy works, I dont know if any dev solved the issue

Zephyrot said:
All buttons on the Defy are "wimpy wimpy" because they are NOT the actual buttons, they are just a plastic cover over your real buttons so your phone doesn't die if you press one underwater.
The real buttons are sealed, otherwise moving them, taking pics with physical buttons or doing anything while your phone is under water would lead to water leaks inside.
About the issue with soft-poweroff, its a known issue related to how to shutoff screen on the Defy works, I dont know if any dev solved the issue
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hi, thank you for the quick reply!
do you have a defy yourself? I ask because my power key is jiggly and feels weak compared to the volume keys.
having an alternate method of off/on' ing my phone would make me feel a lot more secure.
what kind of coding would I need to learn in order to learn the cause of the broken widget and fix it?
you mention using a physical key to take pictures with, but there is no such button on the defy. is there a way to map a camera button to, say, a volume key?
have you ever submerged your phone in water? I want to take under water pictures but am apprehensive to try.
why is there no longer a cake in my work urinal?
i'm sure you'll need plenty of time to pontificate on these questions, if anyone has any insight on anything mentioned in this post, please let me know!
thanks!

drmambo said:
do you have a defy yourself? I ask because my power key is jiggly and feels weak compared to the volume keys.
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Yes. I have a defy, and my volume keys don't feel much different from the power key. Maybe yours is a little loose...
drmambo said:
you mention using a physical key to take pictures with, but there is no such button on the defy. is there a way to map a camera button to, say, a volume key?
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Some camera applications allow that configuration. The one that comes with the CyanogenMod7 rom (which I'm using ) allows it for sure.
drmambo said:
have you ever submerged your phone in water? I want to take under water pictures but am apprehensive to try.
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Yes, I have submerged it while recording movies and it works fine. Make sure your rubber covers are in place and not loose, specially the mini usb one. Don't try to use the touch screen while wet, it doesn't work. The mic and the speaker will work again when dry.

drmambo said:
hi, thank you for the quick reply!
do you have a defy yourself? I ask because my power key is jiggly and feels weak compared to the volume keys.
having an alternate method of off/on' ing my phone would make me feel a lot more secure.
what kind of coding would I need to learn in order to learn the cause of the broken widget and fix it?
you mention using a physical key to take pictures with, but there is no such button on the defy. is there a way to map a camera button to, say, a volume key?
have you ever submerged your phone in water? I want to take under water pictures but am apprehensive to try.
why is there no longer a cake in my work urinal?
i'm sure you'll need plenty of time to pontificate on these questions, if anyone has any insight on anything mentioned in this post, please let me know!
thanks!
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- Yeah I own a Defy, and I really love my phone (pretty much after installing CM7, is just amazing)
- yep is normal the power button feeling lose, is just like I said, those are not the real buttons, just covers that presses the actual buttons under them.
If im not wrong you would need to learn the Android API and JAVA to do it yourself.
- About the physical key, that is easy to obtain, you can either use ButtonreMapper or search the Defy Photo app, is a really cool and simple camera that lets ya take pictures using the vol keys.
- Yep too, ive went into the pool with my Defy, took pictures, videos and more underwater. Just be SURE the ribbons that cover the USB and the audio jack are clean. Dust, fibers and other stuff could get between the cover and the phone and leak water in.
to this question: "why is there no longer a cake in my work urinal?"
whaa?

I use Vignette.apk full and Demo version.
Why I cannot set volume keys to take a picturs in full version?

The first option in settings is to make the volume button as cam shooter.

Vignette full version don't have select box for volume key action.
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Vignette demo version.

Try Quick Boot from the Market
Has options to Power Off, Reboot, Recovery (may not work if not rooted) also has shortcuts to put on the desktop. I like the reboot option.

quick toggle concept

you guys
you all know that if we press either volume rocker on our sweet wp7 devices, a bar slides down with volume level and ring/vibrate/silent icon
i think that there's a lot of wasted blank space between those. i know that if you listen to music/radio the play controls jump there, but if you don't, there's nothing much going on over there
do you like the idea to put the quick on/off toggles (wi-fi, cell data, location etc.) in that space? check out the attachment
the icons would of course have to have 2 looks to distinguish if a feature is on/off. furthermore, if you listen to music/radio, there would be a couple of icons in that space and they wouldn't fit in 1 view, so all of them would be scrollable (left/right), e.g. you pause the music, scroll right to toggle bluetooth, scroll left to unpause etc.
and lastly, the user should have the option to decide what toggles he/she would like to display there
p.s. i'm very sorry for crudely using paint but i wanted to share this with you asap, otherwise i'd forget

I got the idea. Already thought about it. Maybe in a custom rom?

these kind of shortcuts should be done by MS, because WP7 is full of tiny features that make huge difference and enormously improve using the OS, i'm surprised they won't be in mango

Yeah, it should. I agree with you, and probably everyone does.
Don't know why MS didnt do it.

Having them at the top with those small icon feels cluttered.
I think I would preffer something like a long swipe to the right on the startscreen and there you have them...
Either it pops out on top of the screen, or moves everything a little bit to the right, like the pictures below.
And since its a togglebar it has autohide.
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↑This needs to be in Mango

nizzon said:
Having them at the top with those small icon feels cluttered.
I think I would preffer something like a long swipe to the right on the startscreen and there you have them...
Either it pops out on top of the screen, or moves everything a little bit to the right, like the pictures below.
And since its a togglebar, it should disappear by it self after a few sec.
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this is very sweet but i fear that the long swipe would not register 100% of times for everybody, a fool-proof gesture is needed here. here's an idea:
the icons would slide into view after touching anywhere below the little right hand arrow, there's plenty of space there. after toggling sth they would hide themselves after 2 seconds

pikacz said:
this is very sweet but i fear that the long swipe would not register 100% of times for everybody, a fool-proof gesture is needed here. here's an idea:
the icons would slide into view after touching anywhere below the little right hand arrow, there's plenty of space there. after toggling sth they would hide themselves after 2 seconds
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This one makes great use of the so far wasted space on the right, the os could really do with these as it makes a big difference in the speed of shutting things down.

That is not a good idea since people touch there when they swipe up and down, and also when they swipe to get to the app-list. And its not intuitive and logic to have a press function in the empty black space without a button. Also, we already have the app-list to the right of the screen, its more logic to add new feature to the other side where we dont have anything.
You have to distinguish the action as much as possible so it doesnt confuse users with other actions and features.
We swipe to get the battery-life and reception to show, why not swipe to see the toggles?

i like our little brainstorm you're right, it's not intuitive to tap a blank space, so i guess an additional button under the arrow icon would be a better idea. mango added an additional button on the app list used to search through apps (also under the arrow icon, so the toggle button would be quite consistent)
i know that we use that blank space to slide from the home screen to the app list (i however start sliding from anywhere on my tiles), and when we do that we keep our finger on the screen and move it, so i think this gesture wouldn't be registered as an accidental tap. either way, the additional toggle button i mentioned above solves everything

A button is defenitely better in that case.
Anyway, MS needs to give us something along these lines.

I'm not good at photoshop, but.. it would be nice above the app list. When you slide to your app list, it shows above it the toggles.

Funny, I was just posting these Meego videos in another thread to show the notification system... I could see all the toggles being at the top of the notification page where Meego has the weather.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhMvSEZ6Csw
http://www.youtube.com/user/MichaelxHell#p/u/8/YkYzvMkt9ec
As for the original post, unfortunately it wouldn't be very intuitive to use the volume rocker to access wifi or Bluetooth.

I would pay $0.99 for that,especially from an xda member.
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Possibly the most useful modifications I have made since rooting my nexus..

modification*
changing the home button to long-press only..
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because of this!
I was closing out of texts at least half the time because I usually type pretty fast. This wasn't as big of a deal with the text messaging apps like the stock one and go sms because I could open it back up and finish my text but with IMO my message would be cleared. Huge pain it was

Love the Zelda buttons. Good taste
The extra button functionality might push me into rooting for the very first time...

correction: flashing custom ROM
rooting itself won't get you that.

I modded my thumbs to not hit the home button.

adrynalyne said:
I modded my thumbs to not hit the home button.
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too expensive for me
ap3604 said:
Love the Zelda buttons. Good taste
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hah thanks. I "made" them yesterday from some pictures I found on deviantart. My gf thinks I have a problem

Swyping for the most part solves this problem, although even when I type it rarely happens.

WiredPirate said:
Swyping for the most part solves this problem, although even when I type it rarely happens.
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I can't swype.. I don't know what it is but I'm just not good at it. Maybe it's the same reason I'm always hitting the home button

meatlikeproduct said:
I can't swype.. I don't know what it is but I'm just not good at it. Maybe it's the same reason I'm always hitting the home button
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lol, there is a learning curve with Swype. It's not just a pick up and use type thing, it takes some patience. Once you get used to it though its much faster.

Try the new SwiftKey beta keyboard. Don't need to hit the space bar very often.
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I don't want to sound like I'm living under a rock but what's the ROM/App that allow you to do this? I want to get some zelda love too.

I run stock rooted and toggled the full screen mod:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1497558
I then use LMT:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1330150
LMT offers all kinds of customization with long press.
Getting the extra screen real estate is awesome. All video apps run full screen now including browsing, flash video and gaming.
No custom rom required.
zephiK said:
correction: flashing custom ROM
rooting itself won't get you that.
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He is using liquid. It is a feature developed by aokp so it obviously on it as well.

bunklung said:
I run stock rooted and toggled the full screen mod:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1497558
I then use LMT:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1330150
LMT offers all kinds of customization with long press.
Getting the extra screen real estate is awesome. All video apps run full screen now including browsing, flash video and gaming.
No custom rom required.
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This++++
It is awesome running full screen and then just using Pie in LMT to handle the buttons.

meatlikeproduct said:
I can't swype.. I don't know what it is but I'm just not good at it. Maybe it's the same reason I'm always hitting the home button
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A thing I've noticed when showing people swype, is that the faster a typist you are, the easier it is to learn swype. I type 120 WPM myself, so I have a pretty good mental picture of where all of the keys are.

This is why android is #1, customization.
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Aokp
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Android Keyboard with numbers!

Noticed this article referenced at another forum. Item #6 shows you how to change the default Android keyboard into a "PC" keyboard with number keys and a lot more long-press symbols. Swiping works great on it... would have never found that feature!
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Thank You!!!!!

Nice find there! Really Really neat

Works with English. If I try to use it with Finnish settings app crashes.

Tip #12 is a better way to improve the keyboard.

I've always wanted the long press top row for numbers back, but I primarily use my N7 in portrait so the letters are really small with this. Awesome to know that brings the full keyboard back, but I don't think I'll keep it.
Does anyone know if there's a way to use the stock keyboard (so the default QWERTY option) but to add long press numbers to the top row?

Nice.
Thank u.
I was using hackers keyboard before.but now I will use this,
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Tip #12 is a better way to improve the keyboard.
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The prediction is good but the layout and additional features (text shortcuts, custom keys, arrow keys) are so much better on Thumb keyboard.
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The PC keyboard tip doesnt work for me.

jarayn said:
The PC keyboard tip doesnt work for me.
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Works.
Thanks to the OP :good:

Sweet! Thanks for the tip!

Nice find!

nice find I like having the numbers back...
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@ tcat007
Might be nice if you pasted tip #6 as well as the link, because this thread is solved.
Thanks.
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You are referring to swift key tablet keyboard, this thread is about “ Android keyboard with numbers ”
This now has a full keyboard with numbers, no long presses and gestures.
I use thumb keyboard but this method kinda kicks that to touch for me
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glennv17 said:
I've always wanted the long press top row for numbers back, but I primarily use my N7 in portrait so the letters are really small with this. Awesome to know that brings the full keyboard back, but I don't think I'll keep it.
Does anyone know if there's a way to use the stock keyboard (so the default QWERTY option) but to add long press numbers to the top row?
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Got the PC thing working but agree its not useable in portrait.
As far as long press for numbers, thats what my default android keyboard is on 4.2.1 ROM. Its pretty good actually with swipe feature included but still not as good as Thumb.

I believe it is usable in portrait. The swiping is accurate enough to not have to hit keys right on... the keys are much larger than the Swype keys on my Optimus (3.2") screen, which works too (but not as well). I thought the same when I first changed it, but after using it a few days, I seems to swipe just as fast (and accurately).
Original link: http://www.androidpit.com/jelly-bean-pc-keyboard

Really like this. Thanks!
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Just found something even better. My post here with lots more info in that thread.

Thanks!
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Thanks nice tips
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Sounds like exactly what I came here looking for... but...
unfortunately, I have a new Verizon Note 2, which doesn't have an Android Keyboard. Just Samsung (which doesn't have autocorrect... WTF? and Swype.)
Thanks anyway. Just FYI, Note II users are out of luck.