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i saw many reports about the mwc in barcelona and the upcoming phones.
2 of them seem to be best, the HTC Desire with its awesome technic specs and the samsung wave with bada and nearly better specs.
what phone would you prefer, what do you think about bada and what about the new sense?
Bada is new, .. with little to no applications for it, while android have many applications in the market place (Over 9000 applications).
And with Android you can expect alot of support for it, but what kind of support you have for the Bada now?
I prefer Android phone over Bada in a heart beat (any Android phone, not Desire specifically)
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many applications in the market place (Over 9000 applications).
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More than 30000
And for same raisons as Irkan, I prefer Android for now. I think Bada is too young and has not the same support as Android.
That whole Bada OS is not really reaching me. I have read almost no articles about it, while I check out almost all major phone websites daily.
Only thing I remember is when 7 Series news started popping @ MWC, one of these major websites said something like: 'Bada OS... wel, is a long way from how impressive 7 Series is, so we are going to talk about 7 Series and not Bada'. While it may not have been these exact words, this was the idea. I see Bada OS as a OS for the 'simple' people. People on this forum are not these 'simple people'.
But hey I could be wrong about Bada OS. Anyway, HTC Desire > Samsung Wave. I just don't buy Samsung devices anymore. Plus 3.3 inch = fail. Even 3.5 inch is to small.
I trust Samsung to make their own OS competently about as much as I trust my pet goldfish to figure out quantum physics. In other words--no. Bada OS will most likely function like a featurephone non-OS.
Bada OS - Featurephone OS. Esentially that's what it is, to power its Tocco like devices.
Android - Smartphone OS
I think this is the first Samsung's open OS, isn't?. Samsung support for closed OSs was/is very bad I admit it, but I believe that as open OS and including a market platform for apps, Bada could be a different stuff from Samsung.
On the other hand the Samsung wave specs point at the best device nowadays. 1GHz snapdragon, aluminium body, templed scratch-resistant glass surface, 1500 mAh battery, 720p recording, Radio FM, BT 3.0, and 16M-color Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen with 480 x 800 pixels resolution in addition to this you can read easily in a sunny day on this screen, and has improved viewer angle.
Simply perfect
Samsung Wave ... perhaps with Android OS???
So the Hardware Specs and Build Quality looks good.
The Bada OS would also put me off as it really doesn´t show any diffence to Andriod, except that there will be less apps.
I´d days a perfect Andriod 2.x phone.
Or could the Samsung SHW-M120S be the same with android?
Samsung make nice tvs and screens
Don't do nice OS
Android Everytime...
Think they made the wave to grab attention for bada
you should look at Samsung Galaxy S (Android 2.1).. not this bada device
No point in nice hardware if the OS isn't any good.
The only OS's worth anything in my opinion are Android, iOS and Windows Phone Mobile Seven Series Edition or whatever it's called (from what I've seen so far)
So yeah go with the Desire if they are the only two phones you are considering, though there are some better Android phones in my opinion.
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you should look at Samsung Galaxy S (Android 2.1).. not this bada device
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And then revolt at the sight of Touchwizz? No thank you!
I just wish Samsung would use vanilla android and focus their attention on updating their phones with the latest android builds.
Imagine the galaxy s getting the froyo update just weeks after the nexus one. A lot of people would jump ship to samsung android phones just for their after sales support.
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I think this is the first Samsung's open OS, isn't?. Samsung support for closed OSs was/is very bad I admit it, but I believe that as open OS and including a market platform for apps, Bada could be a different stuff from Samsung.
On the other hand the Samsung wave specs point at the best device nowadays. 1GHz snapdragon, aluminium body, templed scratch-resistant glass surface, 1500 mAh battery, 720p recording, Radio FM, BT 3.0, and 16M-color Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen with 480 x 800 pixels resolution in addition to this you can read easily in a sunny day on this screen, and has improved viewer angle.
Simply perfect
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It doesn't have a snapdragon does it? I thought it has samsung's own hummingbird cpu like the galaxy s does...
So in that way it's even better but bada doesn't seem competative to android and others
My sister got an Samsung Wave some month ago because she is in a Samsung Developer Program. Having played around with it and a Nexus One ive got to say:
Pro:
Bada is faster and snappier than Android 2.1 (don't know about 2.2).
Every App i tested ran more fluently and the battery drain was lower than on the Nexus One. From an Performance and Stability Point of View i think Bada is the better OS.
It's going to be cheaper than any comparable Device because Samsung wants to push Bada with it.
Con:
Currently there is a ridiculously small amount of applications out there, not even one Car-Navigation App. This is the Show-Stopper for me because i use my Xpera X1 currently for Music(SenseMp3), Car Navigation (TomTom), Mails and Browsing and to give up on the Hardware Keyboard that lets me write longer mails without pain and to give up on the Car Navigation Feature is just not imaginable for me.
Developing own Applications for Bada is Done in C++ which makes it quite harder for anyone who loves the convenience of Java or Python. But i think this is a reason why its OS works so well on its own.
Samsung Wave with Android
The build quality seams much better than the Glaxay S.
So is it not possible to port a nicer Android OS to the Samsung Wave?
Or it it that hard to get Bada off the Phone?
I mean they ported Android to the Iphone 3gs already.
I just really dont like Samsung devices.. they are too much like cheap chinese toys with really bizarre functions that never quite step up to the mark.
I'm sure they've released a couple of serious handsets but all the ones I've used are very much WTF!?!?!
Agreed with previous , with phones samsung not going well ,
but looking on hardware specs i consider to take this one -
just if it will be in android os!!!
Since buying my Omnia II im so disillusiond with samsung. It had the best specs when it came on the market. But the horrible OS thats on it! I had to buy a shell and have flashed numerous roms to be able to use the phone anywhere near normal. And now a year later the phone still has not got working opengl drivers. And development has probably stopped on the phone.
Never a samsung again for me.
I'm so jealous of you guys who have a desire (just a few more months till contract renewal!!)
I've both wave and desire, what should i say ... the wave is a nice piece of electronics, fantastic display and good quality but bada is not as good as samsung want us to believe. very little apps, half-baked apps (email e.g.) and often unintuitive handling. It has not that flexibility android has. But in deed batterylife is much better then any other smartphone i know except blackberrys and we've to consider that its version 1.0, so maybe bada's development is as fast as android's - as is know samsung, i don't believe.
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Never a samsung again for me.
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It's looks like similar for me, but for Eten devices, so at least clear now the situation.
Then need to wait similar device from HTC , about 3.2-3.5", 1GHz, small weight and powerful battery on Android
Sorry to start another one of these threads, but it seems to me that once the Android version on the Lenovo gets updated to the 2.x series ( which will be the case when its available in 'LeEurope') then this also becomes far superior to the Desire in terms of design of the device as well as 3rd party add ons.
The snap on keyboard / extended battery for the Lenovo is genius.
Since details are a little sketchy on the Lenovo phone, I was wondering if the folk here know of any obvious disadvantages with 'Lephone'.
Lack of XDA support is one - but the more I read about android - the more doubtful I am about the need to flash new roms - could be wrong tho.
Am I right in understanding the Desire has a 3d chip and the Lenovo does not?
Will we ever seen 3rd party add ons for HTC units that match the form and function of the Lenovo keyboard?
I have a Lenovo phone, Its actually quite good but its heavily modified to meet chinese market. So there is no google app by exemple... Since there isnt as much support from XDA its quite hard to reflash it... Only can flash official updates right now... and nobody on the chinese forums really know how to cook it...
All Day On XDA said:
Sorry to start another one of these threads, but it seems to me that once the Android version on the Lenovo gets updated to the 2.x series ( which will be the case when its available in 'LeEurope') then this also becomes far superior to the Desire in terms of design of the device as well as 3rd party add ons.
The snap on keyboard / extended battery for the Lenovo is genius.
Since details are a little sketchy on the Lenovo phone, I was wondering if the folk here know of any obvious disadvantages with 'Lephone'.
Lack of XDA support is one - but the more I read about android - the more doubtful I am about the need to flash new roms - could be wrong tho.
Am I right in understanding the Desire has a 3d chip and the Lenovo does not?
Will we ever seen 3rd party add ons for HTC units that match the form and function of the Lenovo keyboard?
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are u taking the piss??? dont even come here comparing ur iphone wannabe with our desires lmao right here we go, it only has a lcd screen, the battery is ****, it has an oooooold version of snapdragon from 2006 and it clearly an iphone wanabe lol i dont think so if i wanted a keyboard witch i dont i could do well better than that google the samsung galaxy q
Hello,
I was so close to buy the Desire until I saw the ad of the Galaxy S..
Amazing screen (normal under sunlight), more powerful cpu/gpu.. but its Samsung! and after reading lots of comments they said that Samsung is crap! is it right? Why?
If its only the UI that is crap can I root it and install another room?
So, Should I wait for the Galaxy S or get the Desire?
Thanks.
DESIRE without doubt
It all depends on what you want. I have had Samsung phones in the past and they were pretty good. Those types of responses remind me of students in college who say "Yea...that professor is hard and rude...don't take him!'
IMHO the best thing to do is get some hands-on time with both of them if possible. Even try them out for a couple of days. That is the only way you will actually know which one is right for you.
you will actually know which one is right for you.
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What do u mean by that?
They are the same super phones but with some advantages to the Galaxy, right?
I will use my phone for apps, games, multimedia, browsing etc. (not for business..) so I think both those phones are the top for these kind of stuff..
I just dont understand why everyone hates so much Samsung..
leoon said:
What do u mean by that?
They are the same super phones but with some advantages to the Galaxy, right?
I will use my phone for apps, games, multimedia, browsing etc. (not for business..) so I think both those phones are the top for these kind of stuff..
I just dont understand why everyone hates so much Samsung..
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In other words...use your buyers-remorse, return/exchange period to try out both phones. Do research when the Samsung Galaxy S comes out and see what others have to say on the forums.
The worst thing you can do is be biased towards one or the other. If you believe what others say about Samsung and how sh*tty they are, then once you actually do see the phone...you will try to find some sort of discrepancy with it (its simple psychology )
Yes, the Galaxy has a bigger screen and a "rumored" faster processor. However, until the final product is made and released...the hardware and software can still change.
leoon said:
What do u mean by that?
They are the same super phones but with some advantages to the Galaxy, right?
I will use my phone for apps, games, multimedia, browsing etc. (not for business..) so I think both those phones are the top for these kind of stuff..
I just dont understand why everyone hates so much Samsung..
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Samsung are fully behind their new Bada OS. They've stated that only 20% or less of their devices from now on will run Android and I only expect that to go down. That and HTC are the de facto hardware standard for all Android devices.
Haha you have no clue.
Actually, 50% of Samsung phones will be Android and another 33% will be Bada. The rest is for Windows Phones and other crap.
In response to the thread question: I chose the Desire, because the Galaxy S doesn't have a flash for the camera.
One (and the only!) annoyance with the Desire is the limited internal storage for applications. It's only 140MB. You can install applications to the SD card, but it will still go down. According to Google, the option to install to the SD card will come to Android 'soon'.
The Galaxy S will also have the better screen I think. That's because the Desire's screen is not full 800x480, because it uses a pixel layout with only two sub-pixels instead of three, which makes it seem a little bit blurry (but really just a little bit).
And last, but not least, I think HTC's software is probably better than Samsung's. Sense (even if you don't like the launcher) is a very useful add-on (e.g. the much better dialer) and I am not sure about whether Samsung is able to compete in that regard.
I chose the Desire, because the Galaxy S doesn't have a flash for the camera.
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It seems that you choose the Desire just because the galaxys doesnt have flash! even though the screen+cpu+720p video recording and still only for the lack of flash you dont choose the galaxys!?
What im gonna do is to wait till its released and read the indepth review about the phone.
Thanks for the replies goys.. i choose to wait.
I feel compelled to point out a few things in this discussion.
First, assuming that "buyer's remorse" is a global standard is a mistake. In many countries, including Sweden where I'm based, you can return products for up to 30 days after a purchase with the caveat that the package/seal is unbroken. This applies to electronics. This means that everybody needs to check up on their local regulations and that of the retailer before you go out and buy something, expecting to be able to fiddle with it and then just return it.
Secondly, calling Bada an OS is a misnomer. It's a platform. A platform that can be placed on many different OS's. To me, it sounds like Samsung will be releasing several phones with Bada on top of their own proprietary operating system until they can either see a clear winner of the OS market share battle or until the OS's catch up with what they want and know they can offer the market in terms of functionality. Of course, where the boundary between the platform and the OS goes is kind of an unknown, but I would be surprised if the Galaxy S didn't have an Android version of Bada placed on top of it - think of it as Samsung's Sense.
Thirdly and lastly, I think there is a lot of displeasure with Samsung among smartphone users because they have a tendency to both promise more than they can deliver and after the first few months of a new smartphone release quit updating the software. I own an Omnia i900 and an Omnia HD i8910 and speak from experience on this front. Mind you, the devices they put out are generally top-notch, but Samsung has a problem managing expectations.
My Desire is currently my main phone, but I'm still interested in the Galaxy S and will be waiting to see what the consumer verdict on it is once it comes out. As others have said, HTC offers a very useful overlay in Sense, the Desire is already rooted (you should never assume a phone will ever be rooted when you buy it, but it's more likely that HTC will, and in the case of the Desire it's already a fact) and, more than anything, the Desire development community is huge, active and dedicated. So at the end of the day, opting to wait several more months just to get a larger screen and a promise of 720p video recording does have its downsides.
I'm pretty interested in the Galaxy S, will almost certainly get one soon after release and see how I like it, so I can give a users comparison of both nearer the time. As per usual I'll keep whichever suits my use best.
Regards the pros for the Galaxy S, these are the main things as I see them, a few mentioned earlier and a few not yet mentioned:
- screen will be considerably better, more battery efficient, better sunlight legibility, larger, won't have the subpixels issue
- better battery capacity
- 8 or 16GB internal memory in addition to card slot
- the stills camera in all situations not requiring a flash is likely to be considerably better than the Desire's
- 720P video capture
- divx/xvid/mkv support out of the box, with certification for 720P avi playback
Worth noting that the last two there may yet come to the Desire, since they have been rumoured to be coming via firmware update for some time.
The main positives for the Desire is Root, more active Dev community, better HTC support in terms of FW upgrades/hotfixes etc.
Lets say it gets rooted, Will I be able to install into the Galaxy S the ROM of the Desire, so I can take advantage of the active dev community?
Thanks.
In theory, yes, you can. But there will be issues, which means it may not be worth it.
I think not, maybe, but different drivers..it would take time for sure!
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It seems that you choose the Desire just because the galaxys doesnt have flash! even though the screen+cpu+720p video recording and still only for the lack of flash you dont choose the galaxys!?
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Yes, just because of the flash. I absolutely need it, that's why I chose the Desire.
Other than the missing flash, the Galaxy looks quite good.
@NZtechfreak
Your points are right, except for the part about the camera. The Desire uses a camera module made by Samsung. The Galaxy will very likely use the exact same camera module. And of course, at night, it will be useless without the flash.
Galaxy S may be better hardware-wise, but..
It's possible that Galaxy S won't have flash (but there are some rumors it will), so that is a dealbreaker for me (the reason why I switched from the Hero).
The other (more important) reason is that previous Android phones from Samsung had almost no scene development going on. Just compare the Dream/Hero scene to the Galaxy i7500.
Last but not least Samsungs support and bugfixing is worse that HTCs (yes, it is possible ).
That is why I decided to go with the Desire. If you don't mind waiting I would suggest to wait for the Nexus Two.
Or you can wait until the Google I/O Conference...
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As others have said, HTC offers a very useful overlay in Sense, the Desire is already rooted (you should never assume a phone will ever be rooted when you buy it, but it's more likely that HTC will, and in the case of the Desire it's already a fact) and, more than anything, the Desire development community is huge, active and dedicated.
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Hi all, been reading the Desire threads with interest as I'm able to upgrade in July, currently have a Blackstone, and at the mo it's most definately looking like the Desire will be my new phone, looks like a superb piece of kit, but, I need to use tethering on whatever handset I have, and up until now thought I would have to do this on a Desire via USB, because you can't do it wirelessly unless you root first.
Everything I have read here and anywhere else up until I read the above post says the Desire needs rooting to do this.
So, is it already rooted out of the box or not ? I'm puzzled !
Comments from a tester of RC1 firmware Galaxy S in an Australian forum:
- much faster in use than Desire
- much better screen (brightness, vividness & outdoors visibility)
- better battery life time than Desire with stock ROM (no hacks)
- camera is only ok
- very responsive touch
Just FYI. I think both phones are great.
two phones are great and the galaxy s does have super amoled, altho desire have amoled, super amoled is better under the sun. but somehow i don't like how the galaxy looks. it looks - plain, boring..
hopefully htc will release the update when froyo is out together with some fixes and 720p recording.
The only Android phone I would buy is Google branded or HTC. Because they have much more experience with Android than others, and they are more connected together. Also updates will be much more regular for Desire, since it is almost N1 clone. And community for HTC Android phones is much bigger than for Samsung.
Here's my story: I am currently the proud owner of the HTC HD2 and love it, I flash custom roms on a weekly basis and just love the fact that windows mobile is endlessly customisable . I recently got playing with a friends htc magic and just fell in love with the android OS, how smooth and fast it was and the android market.
After this I am really thinking of switching to the Desire. My question is that is android customisable like windows mobile? I'm not talking about homescreen widgets. What I mean is that with windows mobile you have a Registry which you can edit. With android do you have this ability and can you install custom themes and change the task bars? Things like that.
I am new to android so please be nice
Any input would be much appreciated
I used to do the same on my Touch HD and HD2 before i sold them with the Max Manilla program, co0kiemonster's apps, and the Theme Creator mod. I would suggest you look around the Desire Themes and Apps section of the forum to see what is available. AFAIK, there are not many mods available for the Desire (yet), but there are a few (for example, see this link):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=673856
You can download apps like Helixlauncher/Helixlauncher2/Launcher2/FreedHome which allow you to customise the home screens.
Also, any modifications you want to make that requires system access will ofcourse require you to root the Desire.
Hope that helps you out a little.
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I used to do the same on my Touch HD and HD2 before i sold them with the Max Manilla program, co0kiemonster's apps, and the Theme Creator mod. I would suggest you look around the Desire Themes and Apps section of the forum to see what is available. AFAIK, there are not many mods available for the Desire (yet), but there are a few (for example, see this link):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=673856
You can download apps like Helixlauncher/Helixlauncher2/Launcher2/FreedHome which allow you to customise the home screens.
Also, any modifications you want to make that requires system access will ofcourse require you to root the Desire.
Hope that helps you out a little.
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Thanks mastoid, that really has helped. I have been looking around in the forums a bit more, especially the N1 forums and I have found the ability to highly customise.
I would love to move to android soon, but do you think I should upgrade to desire or wait for a android version of the HD2. I mean the desire look amazing but i love having a screen this big and would probably miss it.
I have had winmo devices since the beginning and my job involves me securing all the major mobile devices.
my personal device was an hd2 and I have swapped to the Desire
Screensize should not be an issue as they are very similar. You will be.so impressed by the resolution.
Not having a stylus has been an issue for me ad no keyboard has been quite big enough for my fingers.
Customization skills will take some time but iv you program should be reasonable.
security is still an issue mind...
All the best Sam
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Thanks mastoid, that really has helped. I have been looking around in the forums a bit more, especially the N1 forums and I have found the ability to highly customise.
I would love to move to android soon, but do you think I should upgrade to desire or wait for a android version of the HD2. I mean the desire look amazing but i love having a screen this big and would probably miss it.
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It really is your choice matey, I had the HD2, but personally, it was a little too big for my liking and I am happy with the screen size (3.7 inches) and resolution (480 X 800 WVGA) of the Desire. It has the fresher OS (Android 2.1) which runs faster than WinMo 6.5. As the devices have similar hardware specs, the Desire can do everything the HD2 can do and more whilst doing it all faster.
It's a tough call, only you alone can decide
You can either wait for Android OS to be ported to the HD2 (even I don't know when that will be possible) or jump ship and go for the Desire.
In retrospect, I much prefer the Desire over the HD2, i'm impressed with the Android OS, much prefer it to WinMo 6.5. Its also important to consider that since WinMo 7 has been announced, support for 6.5 is waning with some developers already cancelling/stopping development of apps.
The desire seems like a much more sensible choice!
I have followed XDA for quite some time and have been waiting for someone to get a little bored with android like myself and start the modding of the new WinMo 7 phones to run both Android and WinMo 7. I can't find anything on it. Is it just not possible (yet)??? I know the devices can handle it...1ghz, 16gb internal, plenty of memory...Vibrant, etc. Seems like the perfect device for a dual boot Eclair/Froyo and WinMo 7. Windows Mobile 6x running Android is old and the 1st one I did was the Tytn II by HTC. Slow, but it was still nice to have both.
Any Devs out there wanna push this? I'll buy hardware and do any tests wanted. Seems Samsung specs are pretty equal between the Vibrant and Focus or even like the port of Android to the HD2...can it be done using the HD7 from T-Mo?
In the case of Samsung, why wouldn't you just get the Captivate (Galaxy S)? Already has Android. The Focus is basically the same phone...
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I have followed XDA for quite some time and have been waiting for someone to get a little bored with android like myself and start the modding of the new WinMo 7 phones to run both Android and WinMo 7. I can't find anything on it. Is it just not possible (yet)??? I know the devices can handle it...1ghz, 16gb internal, plenty of memory...Vibrant, etc. Seems like the perfect device for a dual boot Eclair/Froyo and WinMo 7. Windows Mobile 6x running Android is old and the 1st one I did was the Tytn II by HTC. Slow, but it was still nice to have both.
Any Devs out there wanna push this? I'll buy hardware and do any tests wanted. Seems Samsung specs are pretty equal between the Vibrant and Focus or even like the port of Android to the HD2...can it be done using the HD7 from T-Mo?
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why start from ZERO when HD2 is already running Android pretty smoothly and will be getting wp7 soon? Not to bash or anything but wp7 may not be as easy to tinker with as compared to wm6.
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