Here is the thing, I am not switching to a friggen iPhone or putting out that line of how much better everything is over at the Andriod camp. I am not abondoning Micrsoft forever becuase blah blah. In fact, I will say this about Microsoft, nobody and I mean nobody comes close to how much money Microsoft has dropped on partners like myself. Apple, has millions sitting around... how much will they spend supporting partners? Google? That being said, I am definately not in the camp of hate Microsoft. I want to see Nokia succeed, I like the product.
What I do not like is the support on the MMS issue for MVNO's. I have been told by Nokia directly, I did not have the latest firmware... when I do, and that I should plug it into Zune. Then twitter support is talking about LTE problems with network setup. Forum Nokia moderators claim network setup is coming out... then another moderator jumps on and claims the LTE issue after several weeks of Nokia silence. What makes it worse is the 800 and 710 (non LTE phones) have the same issue.
Nobody promissed me MMS would work on another carrier like an MVNO, but the dishonesty is really getting to me. I could have picked up a Titan II and this would be a non issue. Nobody promissed me it would get 8 when I bought it and I could care less. The lack of honesty from Nokia, has a very patient customer looking for the exit. I may be selling my phone here real soon if something does not change. I am definately uncertain how I will look at Nokia in the future. Wife has a 710 (No network setup) and between the Radar and 710... at this moment I am leaning back to the Radar as a better phone. I have always been an HTC user and the Lumia 900 was the first Nokia I have had in a very long time. This should not be a WP7 bashing thread but I am sure that will rear its ugly head... just wanted to voice an honest issue with integrity.
Gave up and posted on CL
The majority of those who are b1tching against MS and Nokia, like me, are in fact people who would very, very like to see the blossoming of WP. Yet, we were left off the bus. Those who have left the bus for real, they never looked back and never complained (because they couldn't care less). I had sided with WP because it was different until the calendar hit 6/20/12. I had been all excited about the L900 which would shadow the hateful iPhone and fragmented Android yet I, and others, were given a middle finger by MS. Nokia's comfort stick just isn't enough although their hardwares are beautifully crafted and their free navigation is superb.
WP7.5, smoked ~100k (or 10k?) devices iPhone and Android combined, before running out of gas and stalled :crying:
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Here is the thing, I am not switching to a friggen iPhone or putting out that line of how much better everything is over at the Andriod camp. I am not abondoning Micrsoft forever becuase blah blah. In fact, I will say this about Microsoft, nobody and I mean nobody comes close to how much money Microsoft has dropped on partners like myself. Apple, has millions sitting around... how much will they spend supporting partners? Google? That being said, I am definately not in the camp of hate Microsoft. I want to see Nokia succeed, I like the product.
What I do not like is the support on the MMS issue for MVNO's. I have been told by Nokia directly, I did not have the latest firmware... when I do, and that I should plug it into Zune. Then twitter support is talking about LTE problems with network setup. Forum Nokia moderators claim network setup is coming out... then another moderator jumps on and claims the LTE issue after several weeks of Nokia silence. What makes it worse is the 800 and 710 (non LTE phones) have the same issue.
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Wrote this big long thing, but ultimately you are missing the point and going down that road of get left off a bus that has not even arrived. If you can't smoke an Andriod user or an iPhone... that would be like admitting you ride in a wheelchair and only say your name... "Timmy"
Those that are jumping ship because they feel slighted by WP8 vs. WP7., were never on board in the first place. It's called progress. And I look forward to getting my first WP8, after I grow tired of my L900. Which will be well after November 2012.
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Those that are jumping ship because they feel slighted by WP8 vs. WP7., were never on board in the first place. It's called progress. And I look forward to getting my first WP8, after I grow tired of my L900. Which will be well after November 2012.
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Ha ha exactly! I am just trying to get a Titan II... they have a network setup app... you can get it unlocked and damn that 16MP cam is calling me photosynth outta be fantastic with that. The Lumia 900 is a fantastic phone and my gripe is with the honesty of support.
My wife has went through two devices and she was finally fed up with the phone when it completly stopped cellular and data transmission today, she went a picked up an iphone today for $35 brand new from ATT. Nokia really needs to get this network issue under control, how can u expect to please customers when the phone doesnt work. Sometimes I miss my DVP.
I may be looking at Samsung or Lenovo next if Nokia doesnt get their act together seriously
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My wife has went through two devices and she was finally fed up with the phone when it completly stopped cellular and data transmission today, she went a picked up an iphone today for $35 brand new from ATT. Nokia really needs to get this network issue under control, how can u expect to please customers when the phone doesnt work. Sometimes I miss my DVP.
I may be looking at Samsung or Lenovo next if Nokia doesnt get their act together seriously
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this is probably stupid, but, what network issue?
People need to chill a bit. Everyone getting all butthurt over not getting wp8 or because of some hardware issues like Nokia is the only company that has these problems.
Plenty of people with iPhones also have hardware issues, battery problems etc. Apple announces new software for the iPhone and intentionally leaves stuff out of the older phones to force people to upgrade to get the new features knowing damn well they will work on older phones. Siri is a perfect example, it will completely run on an iPhone 4 without issue, Apple left it out on purpose so all the fanboys will go and upgrade.
Took a trip to Atlanta and had some data issues here or there depending on where I was like any other wireless phone. I live in Phoenix and know just about all the dead spots and how the phone will behave, but for the most part.. in Phoenix, you turn on data you get data and the speed is almost always decent. The Lumia is bar far the best phone... as a phone I have ever had!
I want the network setup app.
I was also active on the Nokia support forum for the missing network setup app. This has nothing to do with wp8. Nokia refuses to release the Network Setup app in North America. On the support forum, the first said it was coming last month. Then soon. Then were quiet for a long time. Another moderator stepped in and said the issue was LTE which other people explained mvnos didn't use LTE and the network setup app worked before they pulled it.
Today, the moderator informed the thread that Nokia is not there to support, that's our job (on Nokia's support forum at least).
There has been talk about legal action against Nokia because they told people, myself included, that the ability to set MMS settings would come soon. Those people kept or bought the phone under false statements made by Nokia. However, Nokia was very quick to censor those posts.
I do think we need to have everyone who wants the Network Setup app to flood Nokia on twitter demanding them release the app.
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Here is the thing, I am not switching to a friggen iPhone or putting out that line of how much better everything is over at the Andriod camp. I am not abondoning Micrsoft forever becuase blah blah. In fact, I will say this about Microsoft, nobody and I mean nobody comes close to how much money Microsoft has dropped on partners like myself. Apple, has millions sitting around... how much will they spend supporting partners? Google? That being said, I am definately not in the camp of hate Microsoft. I want to see Nokia succeed, I like the product.
What I do not like is the support on the MMS issue for MVNO's. I have been told by Nokia directly, I did not have the latest firmware... when I do, and that I should plug it into Zune. Then twitter support is talking about LTE problems with network setup. Forum Nokia moderators claim network setup is coming out... then another moderator jumps on and claims the LTE issue after several weeks of Nokia silence. What makes it worse is the 800 and 710 (non LTE phones) have the same issue.
Nobody promissed me MMS would work on another carrier like an MVNO, but the dishonesty is really getting to me. I could have picked up a Titan II and this would be a non issue. Nobody promissed me it would get 8 when I bought it and I could care less. The lack of honesty from Nokia, has a very patient customer looking for the exit. I may be selling my phone here real soon if something does not change. I am definately uncertain how I will look at Nokia in the future. Wife has a 710 (No network setup) and between the Radar and 710... at this moment I am leaning back to the Radar as a better phone. I have always been an HTC user and the Lumia 900 was the first Nokia I have had in a very long time. This should not be a WP7 bashing thread but I am sure that will rear its ugly head... just wanted to voice an honest issue with integrity.
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this is probably stupid, but, what network issue?
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My wife had no cellular or data on her device, sim card was just fine. @ devices same problems. Im an early adopter and had the first batch of 900's and we had a serious data issue, my wife bought the device at least 2 months after the release and still had cellular and data issues. I still get time from time where mines loses data when it says I have 1 or 2 bars in 4G
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My wife had no cellular or data on her device, sim card was just fine. @ devices same problems. Im an early adopter and had the first batch of 900's and we had a serious data issue, my wife bought the device at least 2 months after the release and still had cellular and data issues. I still get time from time where mines loses data when it says I have 1 or 2 bars in 4G
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So the update that Nokia rolled out the first week after launch, didn't fix the data issue? Sorry to hear that.
I got mine 2 days after it was launched and still like it as much.
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I was also active on the Nokia support forum for the missing network setup app. This has nothing to do with wp8. Nokia refuses to release the Network Setup app in North America. On the support forum, the first said it was coming last month. Then soon. Then were quiet for a long time. Another moderator stepped in and said the issue was LTE which other people explained mvnos didn't use LTE and the network setup app worked before they pulled it.
Today, the moderator informed the thread that Nokia is not there to support, that's our job (on Nokia's support forum at least).
There has been talk about legal action against Nokia because they told people, myself included, that the ability to set MMS settings would come soon. Those people kept or bought the phone under false statements made by Nokia. However, Nokia was very quick to censor those posts.
I do think we need to have everyone who wants the Network Setup app to flood Nokia on twitter demanding them release the app.
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Hey I'm on that forum netconcepts ha ha. I am with ya buddy, and calling support every once in a while... I will keep buggin em till I sell the L900!... or if the miraculously fix it by giving us what we need I will be happy... very happy!!!! AND KEEP IT!
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Ha ha exactly! I am just trying to get a Titan II... they have a network setup app... you can get it unlocked and damn that 16MP cam is calling me photosynth outta be fantastic with that. The Lumia 900 is a fantastic phone and my gripe is with the honesty of support.
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Goodluck with that, Connection set-up only has settings for at&t in its database, You will have to manually input APN settings for your 3G to work but wont be able to send or receive MMS, Only way around it is a Stock ROM for the Titan 2. :fingers-crossed:
Hmm... so you are saying even if the phone is unlocked.. with a t-mobile sim connection setup will not recognize t-mobile? I still have my account open with them. It recogized t-mobile in the past... or are you saying becuase it's a Titan 2 it won't?
I bought an unlocked Titan 2 for use in UK, Had to add my own APN to get 3G to work, No way I could get MMS to work as there are no options to add settings, Connection set-up had no information in its database for settings, You may well be lucky and find it has the US settings for networks over there but I doubt it, Check the Titan (2011) Forum and there are a couple of threads to check out there,
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So the update that Nokia rolled out the first week after launch, didn't fix the data issue? Sorry to hear that.
I got mine 2 days after it was launched and still like it as much.
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Not on my wifes device it was up to date.
I don't think what happend to you will necc... happen to me. I have used custom and stock roms for some time now and have yet to have an issue with connection setup finding TMOUS, but you could be right as I have never had a Titan II before.
Was just reading through the posts on the missing network setup and it makes me sick to see L800 and L710's are given the same answer as the L900 "Network Setup not being available in regions where the phone is branded" That is just plain wrong... that is why this thread has nothing to do with hardware. It's the support coming out of Nokia is just wrong on this issue... flat out!
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...does anyone know if and when 02 are going to release a new ROM for the Exec?
I've had mine running now for a while with the Blackberry Connect software and it's not what you call stable. The service stops for no reason, or hangs or simply wont connect, I have to reset frequently.
I used an 02 Mini-S for a while and that was rock solid... shame the Exec isn't.
Thats the million dollar question.
Various posts about this with no answer.
I emailed O2 a week or 2 ago asking the very same thing. I did get an answer which basically said they don't know with no plans. O2 Cust service said they usually know a few months in advance but haven't heard anything.
How long is a peice of string????
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Thats the million dollar question.
Various posts about this with no answer.
I emailed O2 a week or 2 ago asking the very same thing. I did get an answer which basically said they don't know with no plans. O2 Cust service said they usually know a few months in advance but haven't heard anything.
How long is a peice of string????
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...our company got them just as they'd released the Blackberry Connect update, got that hot off the press straight from 02.
It's not such a bad piece of kit, the only wobbles I have are with the BB functionality and the phone... but then again as I said previously, the Mini-S was faultless...
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...our company got them just as they'd released the Blackberry Connect update, got that hot off the press straight from 02.
It's not such a bad piece of kit, the only wobbles I have are with the BB functionality and the phone... but then again as I said previously, the Mini-S was faultless...
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Guess your company should of pressured O2 into confirm/agreeing upgrade commitment contract etc...
Sorry, I wished O2 were better ie they release some great phones/PDA devices but still think of them as 12 month contract phones. Don't see the big picture.
Company I work for (one of the big banks in the UK) where trialing the XDA EXEC but couldn't really get what they wanted from O2.
Shame as all IT guys love the machine - just software was a bit pants.
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Guess your company should of pressured O2 into confirm/agreeing upgrade commitment contract etc...
Sorry, I wished O2 were better ie they release some great phones/PDA devices but still think of them as 12 month contract phones. Don't see the big picture.
Company I work for (one of the big banks in the UK) where trialing the XDA EXEC but couldn't really get what they wanted from O2.
Shame as all IT guys love the machine - just software was a bit pants.
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...feel enclined to agree... it would have been useful to be able to browse the web on them, but they tell us as we're on a Blackberry tariff Internet access is unavailable... tried several technical work arounds to no avail.
Odd really, previously we had some T-Mobile MDAIII's with Blackberry functionality and we could browse the web with them quite well.
We were hoping for some kind of Terminal Services remote control of our services over a VPN of some description with the Exec..but the lack of Internet access on them put a stop to that.
I don't think, this is a problem specifically with the O2 company. I beleive the entire HTC Universal device provider whether O2, IMate, TMobile, QTEK, etc... HAS NO PLANS OF RELEASING ANY ROM UPDATE FROM NOW ON. Why? To them, our device is a thing of the past. They are concentrating more on their current NEW or UPCOMING devices.
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I don't think, this is a problem specifically with the O2 company. I beleive the entire HTC Universal device provider whether O2, IMate, TMobile, QTEK, etc... HAS NO PLANS OF RELEASING ANY ROM UPDATE FROM NOW ON. Why? To them, our device is a thing of the past. They are concentrating more on their current NEW or UPCOMING devices.
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...I'll not be too impressed if thats the case. I think the latest 02 device is the Orbit, looks ok, only seen it on the website though.
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...feel enclined to agree... it would have been useful to be able to browse the web on them, but they tell us as we're on a Blackberry tariff Internet access is unavailable... tried several technical work arounds to no avail.
Odd really, previously we had some T-Mobile MDAIII's with Blackberry functionality and we could browse the web with them quite well.
We were hoping for some kind of Terminal Services remote control of our services over a VPN of some description with the Exec..but the lack of Internet access on them put a stop to that.
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We decided to scrap the BlackBerries in favour of Mini S and Execs. That effectively brings in Exchange Push E-mail synchronisation, Phone Service and Internet access as well... not to say you can install GPS Sat Nav on them and other good things.
Granted, I had to understand how to make a Certificate Based Authentication to comply to the Corporate Policy, and having strong password is a real pain in the proverbial -- but still it beats all devices.
My only grudge against Exec is not so much free RAM; as a result Navigon MN|5 requires a reboot beforehand if you're going somewhere far - to prevent nasty surprises during the trip (esp. considering the goddam strong password which you can't enter with your finger...)
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I don't think, this is a problem specifically with the O2 company. I beleive the entire HTC Universal device provider whether O2, IMate, TMobile, QTEK, etc... HAS NO PLANS OF RELEASING ANY ROM UPDATE FROM NOW ON. Why? To them, our device is a thing of the past. They are concentrating more on their current NEW or UPCOMING devices.
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... Which is really SHAME, because there are so far NO "New" or "Upcoming" Phone Edition devices with VGA screen... Universal is one of a kind. Granted there are VGA devices with GPS - but no phone; or nice phones with GPS - but only QVGA or even 240*240 screen.
We've paid shedload of money and... once again guys, tough, go buy another one. ARRRRGHHH!!!!
Or shall we?
Screw this.
I guess during the Christmas holidays I'll just go and try one of the ROMs that can be found here - got nothing to lose and all to gain, and a good experience of flashing ROMs on previous XDA II Himalaya.
If these hold Push E-mail updates, screw the O2 updates altogether.
The Vogue has the same hardware inside than the TyTN2/Kaiser.
Can we imagine flash the Radio ROM from the Kaiser to the Vogue and get access to the wifi and the GPS options ?
or have an own cooked ROM to open the access to this ?
Any idea on this ?
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uhm ... you have right! chipset have the ability ... i have get yestersday my new working handy! i will try some cross mixes with the kaiser rom.
I am also very interested by the outcome of this tweak.
Cheers from Brussels!
The TyTN II/Kaiser is GSM, the HTC Vogue is the CMDA Touch... So the radio will not probably work...
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The Vogue has the same hardware inside than the TyTN2/Kaiser.
Can we imagine flash the Radio ROM from the Kaiser to the Vogue and get access to the wifi and the GPS options ?
or have an own cooked ROM to open the access to this ?
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The Vogue does NOT have the same hardware as the Kaiser. If you flash the Kaiser rom on your Vogue, you are likely to brick it.
The vogue has a Qualcomm MSM7500 chipset, where as the Kaiser has Qualcomm MSM7200 chipset. Very similar, but not the same.
Either way, I am very confident that the Vogue has GPS capiblities that may or may not be unlocked in a future rom update (possibly at the same time as a EV-DO Rev A. update comes out, but that is hearsay). I say this because the MSM7500 chipset has a GPSone unit built in. It is capable of running as an aGPS chip or a standalone GPS, if the rom allows it to, like the Kaiser's does. This chip is included due to FCC regulations for E911 service.
WiFi is another question. The MSM7500 chip does not have a wifi radio built in, but it does support one on the SDIO bus. I can't see why they would go through the trouble of adding a WiFi radio, only disable it. I suppose it is possible, but until someone gets some good pictures of the guts of the Vogue or comes out with a ROM or hack that enables WiFi, I am not inclined to believe that there is a WiFi radio on the unit.
spectec makes a wifi card, only prob is, it probably has a terrible range!
Regardless if it has terrible range or not, it would be nice if the company will get off its butt and sell that card. They have been promising about it for months and still nothing.
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Sorry all guys, I'm not tallking about the Vogue but about the "Touc Dual"....
Will repost in the good category...
Isn't it stated in the HTC website (http://www.asia.htc.com/Asia/SEA/products/pda_Touch_Dual/pda_Touch_Dual.html) that the chipset is Qualcomm® MSM 7200, 400MHz ???
waiting for the HTC Nike forum then...
but I am still interested whether the vogue may be enabled with GPS/Wifi as well
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Isn't it stated in the HTC website (http://www.asia.htc.com/Asia/SEA/products/pda_Touch_Dual/pda_Touch_Dual.html) that the chipset is Qualcomm® MSM 7200, 400MHz ???
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The Touch Dual is a MSM7200 chip set. But it is a GSM phone and has more in common with the Kaiser than it does with the Vogue
we will have to wait n see
Well fellows I have good news and bad news. Good news is I work for a corporate RadioShack that sells the Touch(Vogue) and am able to play with brand new, out of the box Touch's. I can find out for sure if the newer versions(which I know for a fact are EV-DO Rev A capable), are also equipped with WIFI. The bad news is that my store has been sold of them since we got them in and they have been selling out before we get any in stock leaving us with a backorder. As soon as the hype slows down and I get a chance to actually get my hands on one(I plan on buying one soon and getting rid of my Mogul very soon) and play with it I will get online and let you guys know.
When I buy my Touch, it will already be the new EV-DO Rev A model and if it is capable of WIFI, I will release a dump of the ROM for you guys to disect but until then thats the best I can do.
UPDATES will follow.
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Well fellows I have good news and bad news. Good news is I work for a corporate RadioShack that sells the Touch(Vogue) and am able to play with brand new, out of the box Touch's. I can find out for sure if the newer versions(which I know for a fact are EV-DO Rev A capable), are also equipped with WIFI. The bad news is that my store has been sold of them since we got them in and they have been selling out before we get any in stock leaving us with a backorder. As soon as the hype slows down and I get a chance to actually get my hands on one(I plan on buying one soon and getting rid of my Mogul very soon) and play with it I will get online and let you guys know.
When I buy my Touch, it will already be the new EV-DO Rev A model and if it is capable of WIFI, I will release a dump of the ROM for you guys to disect but until then thats the best I can do.
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That sounds good ...this topic is just getting better and better everyday
- dharvey, we're holding our breath here for some updates on your side..
reasons to keep on hoping ....
Hey guys and gals,
I posted some finding worth your opinion at a different post..... I'm just avoiding a cross-post... here's the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1736538&postcount=94
mbote said:
That sounds good ...this topic is just getting better and better everyday
- dharvey, we're holding our breath here for some updates on your side..
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It's my pleasure. Think of it as my way of giving back to the community. It might be a little while though because like I said, we're constantly sold out. As soon as I can get some solid information for you guys and as soon as I buy my own, I will post a link to a ROM dump as a base for building custom ROMs but again, this might take a little time so please be patient with me.
Good luck waiting. The Rev A/A-GPS update for SPRINT Touch won't be available until Q1/Q2 2008 and won't just be available for new devices sold through Sprint. It'll be posted on HTC's support website, thus a rom dump or whatever you're talking about isn't required--people can get the rom update themselves.
--James
Isn't Q1/Q2 2008 soon coming ......If I'm not mistaken we're currently in Q4 2007..... unless their FY doesn't match CY...... please confirm!
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Good luck waiting. The Rev A/A-GPS update for SPRINT Touch won't be available until Q1/Q2 2008 and won't just be available for new devices sold through Sprint. It'll be posted on HTC's support website, thus a rom dump or whatever you're talking about isn't required--people can get the rom update themselves.
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Yes they can but if I can get the dump out before that, it'll help in the mean time. And as for the EV-DO Rev A capabilities, they ARE available on the new Moguls and Touchs available through Sprint. I'm not talking about one that might have been purchased through Sprint a few months ago, I am talking about the ones we have IN OUR STORE. Why do you think I would lie about this? Did you not read my other post? Or even my signature? I am a an employee at a Corporate RadioShack and am also a Representative of Sprint. As for information I cannot obtain in-store, I can call MY Sprint Rep, Julie, and get whatever information I need. The only reason I haven't yet is because she is always busy and rarely answers her phone.
Stay positive, I'm gonna do what I can whether you care or not. This is for the others that actually DO care.
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Alright. Here is my first update as I promised. We finally got a Touch in at our store and I was able to sit down and play with it as I was selling it to a customer and I can CONFIRM that IT DOES have EV-DO Rev A capabilities but WIFI is NOT present.
After noticing this, I called my Sprint Rep Julie and asked her why, if she knew, would the Touch be left without WIFI and she said it had something to do with sales but she didn't have a lot of information. After this I contacted a close friend of mine who is an executive at the Sprint Kansas City Division Office(he will be left un-named) and asked him the same question: Will there be a ROM update for the Touch that would enable WIFI and if not, why would the Touch be left without WIFI? I told him that I knew that the chipset has WIFI capabilities but there is no USABLE WIFI on the device whatsoever. He then told me that during the later development stages of the Touch, it was decided that the internal GPS/WIFI antenna would be removed.
Having confirmed that there was in fact no internal GPS/WIFI internal antenna for the Touch and that WIFI would never be supported on the Touch, I then asked him WHY Sprint would do this to the most sophisticated Windows Mobile Touch Screen Phone ever made(aside from Apple's monstrosity). His response was simple: "We had the GPS/WIFI antenna removed to get customers to pay the extra money for the EV-DO Rev A wireless internet. Without WIFI, if customers wanted to use the internet features on their phone, they would be forced to pay the extra money for the data package or face an extremely high phone bill. Win Win situation for us."
I was shocked to hear this. Every other Windows Mobile based touch screen phone made by HTC has had WIFI and or GPS capabilities. It's rather disappointing to hear this coming from a Sprint Executive but at the same time, can you honestly blame the nations largest wireless cell phone provider with the worst customer service for doing something like this? It's almost expected in my opinion.
Update complete. Sorry for the bad news folks.
i am in biggest battle of my life! heres the issue. im very interested in buying the touch pro 2 and as of right now am without a phone since i sold my htc fuze. now, the touch pro 2 looks good but i see its coming out to the Americas. now the only difference i see is the 3g and let me add that i have tmobile and dont have internet on my phone so 3g really isnt much of a factor. the tmobile version really dosent look that great compared to the original chrome version. and another issue....the htc hero.. in your opinions what would be my best choice. buy the phone now? euro version? wait till a branded version comes out but apart from 3g what else would be better with that? or wait till the htc hero comes out? another detail money isn't the issue in any of this Lol
I feel your pain...
I just went throught the same thing... I'm on ATT... see my post... I pulled the trigger on the Touch Pro 2... it wouldn't run on 3G... it didn't come with Voice Command... those two are deal killers for me... I use heavy data apps on my phone... I can't go back to 2G just for the sake of having the phone. I'll wait until ATT branded phone comes out... in the meantime (when I get my money back) I'm going to get a Apple I-Phone... If you are not heavy into speed.. then ok, if so, dont do it... its a horrible let down. the people selling the phone don't tell you the deal breaking details, they hope you will just live with it... NOT ME.. Len
TP2 is 3G in the UK, how come T-Mobile have removed it for the US?
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If this is the biggest battle of your life, you've had a very easy life so far!
one benefit of buying it local is getting hardware issues fixed under warranty...
Before I purchased the TP2 I realised it wasnt going to be released in Australia for a while. I also realised that if I wanted the phone now, I'd need to order from overseas. It crossed my mind: what if there are issues with the phone. I dismissed those after I realised I had owned several HTC phones in the past and they were all fine.
I found myself with a faulty screen after getting my TP2 from Singapore. I contacted HTC, and its going to cost about 10% of the device's cost to send it off for repair via FedEx!
I'm a bit hesitant to send the thing off. I dunno how long I can live without it!
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TP2 is 3G in the UK, how come T-Mobile have removed it for the US?
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omg seriously?? have you even TRIED to look around this forum and read some of the posts?
THE EUROPEAN MODEL OF THE TOUCH PRO 2 DOES NOT HAVE THE NECESSARY BANDS TO SUPPORT 3G IN THE US.
ALL OF THE US CARRIERS WILL BE GETTING THEIR OWN RESPECTIVE MODEL OF THE TP2, WITH T-MO PROBABLY BEING THE FIRST. THEIRS WILL BE COMING OUT AROUND MID-AUGUST. AUGUST 12.
it's not that they removed it. they never made a European model that supported US 3G in the first place.
next time, before you ask a question like that, READ. PLEASE.
I am wanting to go buy a TP2 from Telus because I've noticed the use of the SIM unit can be unbarred and let me use it on Rogers/Fido. What I want to know though is will the phone work with 3G on the Rogers network if I get it unlocked?
In all probability: No.
The specs list it as only 2100mhz for 3G. Now it is POSSIBLE that Telus asked HTC to disable the bands for Nort American 3G but included them so that they could be re-enabled when Telus gets their 3G network up and running. But there is no evidence to prove this is the case and even if it were, you'd have no way of reenabling those bands yourself as of this moment should they exist.
Time to move to europe I think.
2 things I wish people would give up on:
CDMA and the imperial measurement system
wcdma I agree with. But hey, that's exactly what Telus is kinda doing by implementing 3G.
And the imperial measurement is FUN! Horrible to memorize, but if you're in Canada and the US and you suddenly start using stones as a measurement, people just look at you in such a great confused manner that you can't help but smile
And let's face it. Monitors/TVs are going to continue with the imperial measurement system for a long long time to come... (I can't remember seeing non-imperial measurements for either product here in Mexico where they don't actually know what a foot or inch is as they have been using the metric system for ages)
All I know is a british pint involves more drinking!
I know cdma/tdma is superior in some respects but it's just not portable enough! Which is why businesses refused to use it in Australia and Telstra was forced to give up on it.
Then I move to Canada and after being there for a year they are bringing out this "new" thing called video calling that I had trialled 3 years prior in Aus.
Now 3G in Australia is just as hopeless as here. At least the drug dealers get some good education for measurements. (I'm referring to Ghostface Killahs song Kilo because "all around the world today the kilo is the measure, a kilo is a thousand grams, it's easy to remember", oh that song just makes me laugh.)
You want behind the times? Go to Latin America. 3G isn't fully implemented here yet. And prices are ridiculous. One advantage is that due to a weird economy, there are lots of pre-paid plans. I get great rates on prepaid/pay-as-you-go and if I choose to buy an unlocked version of a phone I don't have to feel too bad about the high price as getting it here would take a lot longer and be just as expensive if not more (the mogul is available right now in stores for around eighty bucks more than I'll be paying for the TP2).
And yes, as far as learning measurements, nothing beats drug trafficking, having a meth lab in your bathtub, and making home made explosives. Good famil fun
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Time to move to europe I think.
2 things I wish people would give up on:
CDMA and the imperial measurement system
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Alas, metric will never take over the United States for one reason: it's easier to lose a pound than it is to lose a kilo.
Americans buy more exercise equipment per capita from infomercials than any other country and we do less exercise per capita than anywhere else (except Dubai, those lazy bastards). The economy would collapse while people were wondering why they can only lose 2.3 kilos per week with modern equipment when the old stuff would let them lose 5 pounds. Then depression would set in, everyone would go on an eating binge, planes would be falling from the sky because they couldn't handle the weight, type 2 diabetes would skyrocket and there would be a worldwide insulin shortage while our average age creeps back to preindustrial levels and we start rationing cemetery space.
On the upside, towards the end (of civilization) you could get an amazing deal on an ab blaster 7k.
Hahaha, best explanation ever!
However, if we could get Tony Horton on to metric weights then convince everyone to "bring it" then the world would be a better place!
I could just imagine him saying, "You know you used to lift 20, 25 pounds with P90X, but with P90XM+ you can switch it up to 25 kilos and be more buff than ever before. If you can't lift it to start with don't worry, just bring it and keep on workin'."
But Fortunz, think of it this way. That argument can be used in the opposite way:
"Oh dratz honey, I've gained weight. Oh well, it's than five kilos. I remember last Christmas I had actually gained ten pounds. Gods I love this new metric measurement "
The bigger population would mean charging more for bigger seats in planes, selling more food, and investing in new technology to handle the greater weight
But heck, it's going to stick around for a while now. Tell someone in Canada they're 183cm tall and sooo many people won't have any clue as to what you're talking about. I'm guessing it's the same in the US...
Also think about it, it'd be great for the snack and fatty food industry, people wouldn't feel so bad about eating stuff as it'd be less than half than it used to be numbers wise.
I went to a telus store and asked if the TP2 would work on it (since whenever they cripple a feature they just say it does not exist, like the fm radio that you can activate with a cab in the TP2 or the GPS on my old p4000 which I activated with a hacked rom). The clerk seemed to be a phone geek (finally not someone who knows nothing about phones and actually knows stuff like what bands telus operates on and such) who told me that they had gotten a memo from head office saying that if people ask, the answer was "we do not know yet". Now in a last twist, my buddy Nook found the spec sheet for our chipset and according to this, the chipset is capable of 2100mhz and 1900mhz UMTS (telus's new network). So where does this leave us? Well when they upgrade with the 6.5 rom and the network has been around for a bit, we will have a final answer, but until then we can just hope telus does not give us the shaft!
ps. if you want IR on your TP2 or any other phone, look at my ongoing project in my signature!
The chipset is capable of all bands and various combinations. But the question is which of them it is configured to handle IF there are any more than the one they say is there.
Though the "we do not know yet" comment implies that there is/will be more. But we still don't know. Though if I had to guess I'd say they have the 850+1900+2100 combination which would give them coverage for their own 3G network and would allow basic roaming in Europe, Asia, and some Latin American countries (if I remember correctly). Making it a an almost universal phone. But I have NO idea what would be needed to unlock any hiddenn bands, whether a new ROM, new OS, or to flash the radio.
Well it looks like I'm going to have to wait until near the olympics to get my new phone. It's a shame because my current artemis' battery is dying and there's no way I would give telus money for their current network.
Although if iGo My Way is ported to android then I will switch to that in a heartbeat. I love iGo, just I need a better phone to run it.
You might not have to wait that long...
http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/08/16/t...be-compatible-with-the-canadian-hspa-network/
It specifically mentions the BlackBerry Tour and BlackBerry Storm as being incompatible with its future hspa network. It doesn't specifically mention the Touch Pro2, which isn't much in and of itself, but coupled with the "We don't know yet " comment, it's quite possible the Touch Pro2 will be compatible in the future.
Successfully unlocked my Telus TP2, however, tried a brand new Rogers SIM right out of the package (came with a Blackberry of mine, never used) and it won't register on the network. However, same card in the blackberry reads "Sim not provisioned:2". I think I need to test with a friend's working rogers sim. All my friends are Telus and Bell...
If the TP1 is any indication, the component missing is the 850mhz power AMP
Its not because the chipset can do it that all the required components are soldered on the PCB.
Best thread I followed on the subject:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40
So if you can find a teardown of the Telus TP2 we might find out =)
Well possibly. Except the thing here is that Telus is in a somewhat unique situation since they are CDMA adding/switching to HSPA soon. Meaning that they might have wanted to include the support even if it was locked in the beginning (like those infamous present but unusable gps capabilities on phones in the past). It's not certain. And I think the user on WMExperts who wrote a review for them of the Telus phone disassembled his phone. Maybe someone who knows more about the subject could contact him and ask him about the amp.
This phone nor my Wife's mate 10 pro use 3G so I am confused about this email.
Anyone else?
I received it as a text message on my Mate 20x in May. If this happens I may switch to Spectrum Cable mobile service which uses the Verizon network.
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I received it as a text message on my Mate 20x in May. If this happens I may switch to Spectrum Cable mobile service which uses the Verizon network.
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The mate 20x doesnt work on spectrum/verizon
T-mobile maybe? Update: They're dropping it too... 3G is dead as Zed.
But these phones are not using 3G so i dont understand why they will block them
I got a text message today from AT&T saying "we're sending you a phone. if you don't activate it, we will auto activate it after 30 days and your phone you're using now will only be able to call 911"
This is a huge bummer.
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I got a text message today from AT&T saying "we're sending you a phone. if you don't activate it, we will auto activate it after 30 days and your phone you're using now will only be able to call 911"
This is a huge bummer.
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same thing my wife received :/
CCJ22 said:
I got a text message today from AT&T saying "we're sending you a phone. if you don't activate it, we will auto activate it after 30 days and your phone you're using now will only be able to call 911"
This is a huge bummer.
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Wow. Did you reach out to at&t to escalate this issue?
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Wow. Did you reach out to at&t to escalate this issue?
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I actually did 2 months ago when they just shut my phone off completely. Spoke with a cool rep who turned it back on.
But I haven't reached out to them about this text message.
But here is the list https://www.att.com/idpassets/images/support/wireless/Devices-Working-on-ATT-Network.pdf
Funny, SM-N975U1 which is NOT a 5g phone seems to be on the list of accepted phones. This is a very big bummer.
I'm gonna ride the wave and pretend I didnt' even get a phone from AT&T and see just how long I can keep using my Mate 20x here in the USA on ATT.
If only 16:9 or 16:10 phones would come back. But looks like lame kitkat phones are here to stay. :/
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If only 16:9 or 16:10 phones would come back. But looks like lame kitkat phones are here to stay. :/
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Funny you mention this as a week ago I stumbled upon a thread "boycotting" the slim "cigarette" phones possessing aspect ratios greater than 16:9. From what I had gathered from reading through user's complaints, about 97% favored the re-adoption of the classic wide AR of phones while disfavoring (with some expletives) these Malboro cigarette phones.
In my opinion, in order to please certain audiences (that would be us) phone companies should at least provide 2 phone flavors, slim and wide. Personally I wouldnt mind creating a fb campaign if you guys would like to join that protest.
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I actually did 2 months ago when they just shut my phone off completely. Spoke with a cool rep who turned it back on.
But I haven't reached out to them about this text message.
But here is the list https://www.att.com/idpassets/images/support/wireless/Devices-Working-on-ATT-Network.pdf
Funny, SM-N975U1 which is NOT a 5g phone seems to be on the list of accepted phones. This is a very big bummer.
I'm gonna ride the wave and pretend I didnt' even get a phone from AT&T and see just how long I can keep using my Mate 20x here in the USA on ATT.
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My best advice to you if you really want your mate 20x to remain your keepsake is to swap networks to another gsm which would be a smart move by paying a similar price
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Funny you mention this as a week ago I stumbled upon a thread "boycotting" the slim "cigarette" phones possessing aspect ratios greater than 16:9. From what I had gathered from reading through user's complaints, about 97% favored the re-adoption of the classic wide AR of phones while disfavoring (with some expletives) these Malboro cigarette phones.
In my opinion, in order to please certain audiences (that would be us) phone companies should at least provide 2 phone flavors, slim and wide. Personally I wouldnt mind creating a fb campaign if you guys would like to join that protest.
My best advice to you if you really want your mate 20x to remain your keepsake is to swap networks to another gsm which would be a smart move by paying a similar price
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I would like to join your facebook page and a link to the thread you found boycotting it.
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I would like to join your facebook page and a link to the thread you found boycotting it.
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Me too. I mean, if companies were smart, one could bring up at least one model 16:9 and have the whole market of people looking for that aspect ratio !
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Me too. I mean, if companies were smart, one could bring up at least one model 16:9 and have the whole market of people looking for that aspect ratio !
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I would like to join your facebook page and a link to the thread you found boycotting it.
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Ok guys I have created a facebook page. Keep in mind that this is the first time I have ever created a fb page regarding a company. Note also, I'm not a social media person so bear with me. That said, I strongly encourage suggestions as to how best to make it look right and communicate the right message to the company and our audience. It is still a work in progress. Please don't hesitate to add your opinions.
I need 24 likes on the fb page before I can add a username according to fb rules.
Let me know what you think!
Stop Samsung
Stop Samsung. 1 like. This is a campaign to compel Samsung Electronics to manufacture wide phones again. Unfortunately, today's narrow phones have replaced wide phones leaving consumers disappointed...
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On the fb page the link is in chinese for some strange reason although I'm not chinese and reside in USA. If anyone here can suggest how to fix that do let me know. Thanks.
Hi guys. A few of you have reacted favorably to my fb page on urging samsung to resurrect the wide aspect ratio. However, I'm new to making fb pages. If you want to submit some ideas to me on how to reach a greater audience or enhance the page to convey our message better, please do so. Thank you.
Getting back to the initial point of this thread, my phone was turned off today by AT&T in the United States. I spoke with AT&T customer service. They indicated that even though the EVR-L29 is a 4G LTE phone, it handles voice calls over a 3G network. There is supposed to be a setting on the device to switch the phone to 4G LTE calling (VoLTE.) However, when I checked my settings, the switch was not there. I posted in another thread on XDA about this situation; but have not heard back. In the meantime, has anyone found a solution? I was told that all of these devices would be turned off permanently in February as the 3G network will be dismantled. I'm hoping to find a solution before then because I really don't want to let this phone go. Otherwise, are there any suggestions for other larger (7") screen phones that do 4G LTE calling on US bands supported by either AT&T or T-Mobile? Thanks.
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Getting back to the initial point of this thread, my phone was turned off today by AT&T in the United States. I spoke with AT&T customer service. They indicated that even though the EVR-L29 is a 4G LTE phone, it handles voice calls over a 3G network. There is supposed to be a setting on the device to switch the phone to 4G LTE calling (VoLTE.) However, when I checked my settings, the switch was not there. I posted in another thread on XDA about this situation; but have not heard back. In the meantime, has anyone found a solution? I was told that all of these devices would be turned off permanently in February as the 3G network will be dismantled. I'm hoping to find a solution before then because I really don't want to let this phone go. Otherwise, are there any suggestions for other larger (7") screen phones that do 4G LTE calling on US bands supported by either AT&T or T-Mobile? Thanks.
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What bothers me is that cricket, H2O, etc... Which are all on the AT&T network have not been told they need to get a LTE voice phone.
My parents are in cricket with OnePlus unlocked phones. My sister is in H2O.
Business as usual for carriers that use AT&T towers so what the **** is going on at AT&T?
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Getting back to the initial point of this thread, my phone was turned off today by AT&T in the United States. I spoke with AT&T customer service. They indicated that even though the EVR-L29 is a 4G LTE phone, it handles voice calls over a 3G network. There is supposed to be a setting on the device to switch the phone to 4G LTE calling (VoLTE.) However, when I checked my settings, the switch was not there. I posted in another thread on XDA about this situation; but have not heard back. In the meantime, has anyone found a solution? I was told that all of these devices would be turned off permanently in February as the 3G network will be dismantled. I'm hoping to find a solution before then because I really don't want to let this phone go. Otherwise, are there any suggestions for other larger (7") screen phones that do 4G LTE calling on US bands supported by either AT&T or T-Mobile? Thanks.
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The sad thing is that when I tested a TMobile sim card the option to switch to VoLTE shows up!
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The sad thing is that when I tested a TMobile sim card the option to switch to VoLTE shows up!
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Really? If that's the case, I will simply switch to T Mo. I have no allegiance to a carrier.
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Really? If that's the case, I will simply switch to T Mo. I have no allegiance to a carrier.
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Yeah I was going to do that but then my wife wanted to upgrade phones and I kind of wanted the better cameras of the S21 Ultra. Plus I never felt the Mate 20x was that big anyway (compared to what I had before). Still hoping for the return of the 16:10 phones one day or better foldable ones
Anyway, at least at this time, I dont see a problem with Tmobile and the Mate 20x.