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I was so excited when INC2 was rooted, and we had roms just waiting for us to try out. I really appreciate all the devs who bust ass to root our devices and build roms. I am currently running cyanogen nightlies and have no complaints, but I do have some concerns. I previously had a Droid 2, and really thought it had a solid selection of stable roms, and most were quite unique. When Liberty came out, I was amazed at how well it was thought out & designed. It really was creative and feature rich, whereas most other roms seem happy with just removing the bloatware and overclocking. At this point you are probably saying, "shut the hell up and go make your own rom, or go give the Liberty team a reach-around and have them build a rom for your phone". Good, cause I was thinking the same thing. So let me cut to the chase, Cyanogen is beast, and MIUI is cool if you want your droid to be an iphone. The other roms don't really spark much interest, they have different names, but are practically the same. Is there a lack of interest developing for the INC2? Seems like it, I would know, I am very important, and have a degree from ITT.

The phone hasn't been out long and the majority of people aren't able to root yet. A couple Fascinate devs just picked up DInc2's so once they're able to root there will be more support.
The thing has been out for what, a few months? Give it time.
I'm extremely happy with just MIUI and CM7. Best ROMs out there.
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Don't forget about OMGB and OMFGB
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btw what is your problem with miui..i know this phone better than you, i dont like the iphone, and i use miui..i use cm7 too, but right now miui is the most stable. if you dont like the roms out go make your own. I know you wanted opinion, but dont hate roms people have worked hard on already. if you dont like it thats ok but downing someone elses work is low man..

knipp21 said:
btw what is your problem with miui..i know this phone better than you, i dont like the iphone, and i use miui..i use cm7 too, but right now miui is the most stable. if you dont like the roms out go make your own. I know you wanted opinion, but dont hate roms people have worked hard on already. if you dont like it thats ok but downing someone elses work is low man..
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He never downed anyone's work. He was just expressing an opinion. I think the man is entitled to an opinion, don't you?
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Avelnan said:
He never downed anyone's work. He was just expressing an opinion. I think the man is entitled to an opinion, don't you?
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Look at the poll he posted.
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Here's the deal perm root has not been out long. We have a Lot of options available from the dev community considering.
There are more devs getting DInc2s in their hands as time passes. Some are even devving for it without having one.
By the end of summer and by the end of the year there will be "incredible " choices!
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looks like I was right, some of you were thinking I should go make my own rom. Reminds me of this one time, when I went to purchase a new car. After test driving it I told a few folks on my favorite car forum how I thought the car was lacking in new features. They all told me to go build my own car as well. Well crap, looks like I have some work ahead of me. Look knipp I donate to every rom dev that I have been impressed with. Roms have the potential to generate revenue for these devs, and consumer criticism helps with making a rom that people want to use. I think it is great that you know more about phones than I do, they should give you a medal for that, or a cookie, your choice. I am sorry that you found my poll offensive. For some odd reason I thought most people would see it for it it was, A JOKE. Next time I will use a more sarcastic font, if you think that might help.
Thanks to those of you less sensitive types for informing me about the latest from developments. I can't wait to try em' all out.

propjoe said:
looks like I was right, some of you were thinking I should go make my own rom. Reminds me of this one time, when I went to purchase a new car. After test driving it I told a few folks on my favorite car forum how I thought the car was lacking in new features. They all told me to go build my own car as well. Well crap, looks like I have some work ahead of me. Look knipp I donate to every rom dev that I have been impressed with. Roms have the potential to generate revenue for these devs, and consumer criticism helps with making a rom that people want to use. I think it is great that you know more about phones than I do, they should give you a medal for that, or a cookie, your choice. I am sorry that you found my poll offensive. For some odd reason I thought most people would see it for it it was, A JOKE. Next time I will use a more sarcastic font, if you think that might help.
Thanks to those of you less sensitive types for informing me about the latest from developments. I can't wait to try em' all out.
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I will gladly take the cookie
My main reason for being upset it is I know a few of these devs and they work hard and have rough lives at home..and don't ask for donations. Therefore criticism should be posted in a request not a demand. So as nice as they are, they don't always get the respect they deserve. I got a little too upset, and for that I'm sorry.
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Its all good dude. I know I sounded like an ass. My sarcasm gets the best of me at times. I wasn't trying to bash anyone. Sorry I will dial it down.
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propjoe said:
Its all good dude. I know I sounded like an ass. My sarcasm gets the best of me at times. I wasn't trying to bash anyone. Sorry I will dial it down.
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No hard feelings I've been here to long for that
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Your right, people should just chill.

propjoe said:
Its all good dude. I know I sounded like an ass. My sarcasm gets the best of me at times. I wasn't trying to bash anyone. Sorry I will dial it down.
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My one last thing is as you know how hard devs work, there is always drama in the forums. I know I get to serious, but I don't want what has happened in the dinc1 forums to happen here. So I try to defend them when I can. I read to far into it, but at least it was me and not a dev all I do is try and make apps work lol
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A Thank You to all the Devs

Hey Devs & Helpers out there,
Just wanted to write a thank you to all the hard work you put in, gratis, for our device.
I cannot overstate how fantastic it is to have a wide selection of roms for our phone, as it gives the user so many options and things to look forward to in terms of updates, functionality, battery life, etc - the list goes on and on.
It's really made this website a haven, as well as an addiction for myself, and has also made my phone usage (and distractions at the office!) go through the roof. Whenever I use my phone in public, on the subway or whatever, I'm hoping there is another user out there who realizes the graphics / interface on my phone is unique, and can inspire them to "achieve" the same. Perhaps I'll even try to do a little programming myself at some point (although my CS101 class in college was probably one of my biggest challenges - and that's for an ME!)
Once again, best regards and much thanks to those hard working devs out there, who deserve nothing but our gratitude and support. Don't thank this post, thank all the devs who put in time day in and day out. Keep on truckin'!
Best regards,
-Dirk

Agreed. I was late to the game with smartphones...buying my DInc2 last July was my first. I was going to wait to root after my warranty was over, but after rooting my wife's nook color, I ventured over to this forum to see what was going on for my phone. Needless to say, it was probably two weeks after browsing this forum that I started enjoying what the hardworking devs have been up to.
I also wouldn't mind venturing into the development aspect of Android but my wife would kill me if I spent even more time on my phone.

I couldn't have said it any better, thanks all you devs and themers for all your hard work
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+1 thank you all developers.

I have to agree. I've definitely been enjoying the results of all of the devs' hard work. Keep it up!
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Here here!! Another huge thanks to all the devs out there using their personal time to make our phones (and everyone else's for that matter) well worth keeping! There's been plenty of times I wanted to tell a dev how awesome their Rom was but it's taken me some time to get past this 10 post rule. Lol.

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Pete02 said:
Here here!! Another huge thanks to all the devs out there using their personal time to make our phones (and everyone else's for that matter) well worth keeping! There's been plenty of times I wanted to tell a dev how awesome their Rom was but it's taken me some time to get past this 10 post rule. Lol.
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haha, I know exactly what you mean. I'm more a lurker than a poster here, but i'm finding myself wanting to mention bugs or issues i'm having with some of the newer builds. That dang 10 comment rule!
...helps when I don't type the image verification code in the title spot

Thanks!
hoodieNation said:
haha, I know exactly what you mean. I'm more a lurker than a poster here, but i'm finding myself wanting to mention bugs or issues i'm having with some of the newer builds. That dang 10 comment rule!
...helps when I don't type the image verification code in the title spot
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+1 exactly how I am...

Thank you developers!
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Saying bye to dman

Well as we all know by now that dman is gone nd prolly won't come back to help the SUPER slow development of the phone. I myself rly rly appericated his work and all his efforts in the phone. I am keepin the rom and not changing anything for it... works fine haven't seen any bugs that are or are not there. So just wanted to say thanks for the hard work dman and u will be missed greatly!
And thanks to all the whiners and liars...
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its sad that a few have to ruin it for everyone else. thanks again dman.

I have never seen this amount of childishness on XDA before.
PRIMARILY from the users but also a little bit (because he was being instigated) from the Dev.
Thanks for ruining other peoples investments in time and money in these devices.
Over-investing your ego in to fights on a developer forum is just immature and silly, grow up kiddies.

Yeah, whiners and liars cost us a good dev.
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Didn't get the whole story, could someone summarize what had happenend the INCEPTION thread?

the dev took a lot of time to make a pretty slick rom, without even having access to the device.
A bunch of douchebags decided to complain about something they could never do themselves.
the dev got butt-hurt and pulled the thread and the ROM.
this is why I hate using forums.

I had the feeling he was on the verge of taking his toys home.
I've got both versions of Inc3ption, does anyone want me to post them?

yes please

Yes! I'm getting this phone this month and the Rom would be greatly appreciated!

mrsocksfox said:
I had the feeling he was on the verge of taking his toys home.
I've got both versions of Inc3ption, does anyone want me to post them?
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I have them too, but I've solved most issues regarding the first one. There are bugs where things dont work or force close, so you have to replace them with other apks. the only thing i havent fixed is the videos wont play if you record them, but you can view the pics however. I haven't used the second version yet.
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I'd be curious to give it a whirl... I totally missed this whole debacle. Came to xda one day and the inception thread was gone and I had no idea why..
If someone uploads this from somewhere, drop me a pm

I have both as well and never had a prob with anything force. Closing that I use... just all how u wipe an could be a bad download
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Wait, wait, wait ! What ?

Sucks that one of the few devs for an under appricated device left us but until there's a stock ics rom with root I honestly won't be using a custom rom. But that could have been someone releasing what I was looking for when we get ICS. I don't personally know the whole story but let's not act like children and either; work our differences out, or back your smack talk up with code.
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Thanks for your hard work dman, it was greatly appreciated. As a matter of fact it is still very much appreciated every day when I use my phone. I believe this to be true for most people out there using the fruits of your labour.
It is a shame though that you let a dumb-ass bring you down to his level. I, for one, was quite surprised you felt a need to defend yourself against the allegations of an idiot. Pulling your ROMs because one person wrongly calls you a liar due to him being unwilling/unable to properly read is beneath you, or so most of us would have thought and hoped. How you ultimately reacted is petty, regardless of how good your work is, or how busy you are.
Perhaps his words came at a bad time, and hit home because of it. Perhaps you feel underappreciated. Or maybe you become irrational through the mentioning of lying, I don't know. You should know that if you feel even the tiniest bit slighted by my words, then you mistake intent.
All I do know is that everyone would like you to come back, and that most people have, do, and will love your work.

This really sucks. Just when I thought we had got some good interest in this great phone our community takes 2 steps back by losing a developer. It sucks that one person or a slight few can make people pack up and run!
I agree people are free to do as they please since this is done on their free time and there is no compensation other then how people react to what they release. I think people should be able to give criticism and not insult or complain when they get something for free. Also Developers should understand that there are many people out there that appreciate there work and do not wish for them to be bothered by some slight ignorant people that expect everything to be spoon fed to them.
I hate to see childish behavior and people slandering each other on forums. This is a nice venue for people to share their appreciation and work towards making an already great device that much better.
Can't we all just get along?
JB Out.

doode2011 said:
I have them too, but I've solved most issues regarding the first one. There are bugs where things dont work or force close, so you have to replace them with other apks. the only thing i havent fixed is the videos wont play if you record them, but you can view the pics however. I haven't used the second version yet.
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The new one as far as I know just had bugfixes as well as adding a pretty unusable theme. I'm sure all of us would like to see your updated version, sans theme with bug fixes.
Also, I'm familiar with coding, but not rom creation/modification at all. Would you mind pointing me to a getting started tutorial of some sort? I'd love to contribute to the cause.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=667298
Here ya go

Everyone! The INC3PTiON thread is back! still awaiting confirmation but dman might be back! Guys, nice people only please, trolls gtfo. Now. Go die in a hole, trolls.
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Dudes, dman is back in biz!
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|>>PETITION<<| Restore task650's 'Recognized Developer' Status

So I've decided to start this thread because I've noticed something that I want to try and get changed for the better of this community and to help a person that I think deserves it.
What I'm trying to acomplish here is to start a petition that could potentially get him his status back. He deserves it in my opinion. And for the most part, I think you guys might too. So just place your vote in the pole and try and concentrate on all the work he produces for use and his attitude NOW. Please don't hold on to those grudges if you have any. Thanks.
I just noticed that one of are very Recognized Developers here on XDA (Task650) has recently lost his "Recognized Developer" status. So I decided to take it upon myself to find out why. Task650 explained to me that he recently flew off the handle and went on a "noob hunting spree" as he stated. He openly admitted to me that he was wrong for doing so and mentioned that he felt bad about it. Then went on to tell me that he has just forgotten about it and moved on with doing his best to better the SGS3 Forums and XDA as a whole. It was pretty cool to hear.
I know that he has been dealing with some pretty hardcore emotional issues with his 6 year old little girl having cancer. I can understand that sometimes we go through things in life that are that horrible, and we as human beings can act out in certain places that we normally would not. It's just something that happens and we move on from it. I can see that that's exactly what he has done. His attitude around these forums is back on track with what I've known from him and I only see him contributing and helping everyone out here on XDA as much as he possibly can. I don't think I've ever seen anyone here spend so much time updating his roms, submitting patches, and responding to others in such a helpful manner like I've seen him do. Now that's the exact type of person I believe deserves a "Recognized Developer" status. Hopefully the majority of you will agree whether or not you hold a grudge against him. I know he doesn't hold a grudge against any of you.
I DO NOT WANT ANY TROLLING OR FLAMING IN THIS THREAD! IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO SAY. DON'T POST HERE! YOU WILL BE REPORTED IMMEDIATELY IF YOU DO!!!

Freaking out every once in a while doesn't make him less a developer or take away his skill and generosity of time and effort.
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I agree with everything you just said.
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Everyone goes through tough times and it shows that by owning up to what happened and why and accepting resposibility, then moving on to make things better overall shows he deserves the status back.

I fuxx wit the boiii!!!!! He got dat "celebrity status" roun here...
Cuttn up the bud on my SAMSUNG GALAXY S3.... #KeepIt1Hunid

I agree. He's a fantastic developer, puts out a very high quality ROM; and frankly, if he comes off a bit harsh... its probably something you should have googled. I've learned a ton, just from lurking his thread and asking the occasional question. Development software is essentially beta/testing software, so if you're going to run it... learn.
I flashed half a dozen ROMs to this device before I tried theirs, and now my only flash is for the latest update, which is routinely put out more frequently than any other aosp ROM I've seen.
Task is involved, interested, and more proactive than any paid developer I've ever known, on any platform... and he does gorgeous work for free. Its impossible not to recognize him as a developer, no matter what his title in the forum is.
Edit: didn't know about his kid either.... now I like the guy even more.
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+1. I just started flashing a month ago and Task 14 was my first rom. Great dev, great support, just a reasonable straight up dude. Thanks Task...you deserve it, for simply releasing quality work! Past is the past, simple as that
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He's a great dev and he is only following and enforcing the no spoon feed and always search rule
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I've seen plenty of other developers on XDA and other forums get fed up when people don't search or decide to get an attitude because something isn't working for them or they don't get the response they wanted. Some have even left XDA because of stuff like this. Totally unnecessary. Imagine what this world would be like without Task. Very, very dark. He's only human, most of us wouldn't have half the restraint he does.

Hopefully he'd just start his own site and carry on. We need him more than he needs us.... he's just sharing something great he did for his own satisfaction.
The guy that made my HTC merge bearable till my uscc contract was up did just that.

+1 Task makes the best ROM I've ever used on 5 devices. Amazing guy.
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Task is human.... OK, maybe superhuman, but we all get tired of out of control noobs wallowing in their laziness and/or ineptitude on these forums, asking the same old questions and not reading the OP. I myself am a noob around here, but developers, mods, and fellow xda-ers who chastise those who fail to follow forum rules have helped me realize it's better to do my own homework. I've seen Task's etiquette improve since the incident on the SGS3 AOKP thread, so it's safe to say he is truly sorry and deserves to have his "recognized developer"status reinstated.
And BTW, unicorns dream of Task's ROMs!
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lol wasnt there a "BAN Task" thread to? Good ROMs, quick updates.

I'm 100% with Task.
He could overreact a little bit once but there are some users that push it hard. Push it really hard!!!

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He's a great dev and he is only following and enforcing the no spoon feed and always search rule
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Eh who cares what title sits under his name. We all recognize him as a good developer and that's all that really matters.
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hallo13th said:
lol wasnt there a "BAN Task" thread to?
Good ROMs, quick updates.
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yeah i think i remember something like that. it was kinda funny considering everyone ended up voted that the OP of that thread get banned. lmao.
is there any particular reason you decided to vote NO?

Part of the rules and he broke them, I think he will get his status back in due time. Good Luck

Jirv311 said:
Eh who cares what title sits under his name. We all recognize him as a good developer and that's all that really matters.
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wurd

ok so i work hard too and we might get 1000 noobs in our thread too, you don't see me or anyone of us freaking out. im sorry but yeah things happen in life and mistakes are made, it doesn't mean you dictate what xda will do or will not do. im not against humanity or wheel of life, but if you are short tempered then let the mods do the job, you don't freak out bluntly on a thread like that. Im with what xda decides best. If you really care for him then help him with his work make his life easier, learn things that are done, fix things that can be fixed by yourself and if its a last resort you can raise a question and then if you get freaked out upon then im sorry that dev is either short tempered or life is not being right with him/her, but then again if life is not being right then don't create a UFC in xda cause it'll just splatter blood everywhere and it just doesn't make sense then to do anything. Ive made mistakes too here and yeah i'll admit i was infracted 5 times and yet i learned from those infractions and i learned to control my temper and learn from mistakes and move on. Xda did what they did for a reason and let them decide what they did is right for community and for everyone's well being, if he doesn't have a title of "recognized developer it won't stop him from doing his work. Also for cluttering threads to create a petition doesn't make anyone better, if you wanna voice your opinion then message the mods directly and if mods don't respond then go step above mods to senior mods and so forth. Also if you're planning to bash me because what i said isn't something what you wanna hear or look at then please don't bother because it won't change me, im gonna do my work, and i'll be here at xda everyday and i'll still be living. just my 2 cents.

Why's everyone so rude?

Why's everyone rude here? Developers of ROMs don't spend hours of hard work just to be dissed. Yo. They do it because its something they mildly enjoy/want to do and wanna contribute. Being rude makes them want to not do this for us. You all can feel free to learn C, Java, C++ and the Linux command line and make us a flawless build. Although most of us aren't really capable of this. Myself included. So next time you wanna complain because something doesn't work, remember, they have lives too. Bug reports are fine, just be respectful! You all watched the noob video, right?
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There's a noob video? Missed that one, gonna go watch it lol :thumbup:
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What I really love is when someone fubars their device because they don't even belong trying to modify them and then they get upset noone can help because their lack of reading directions/warnings has left them with a brick.
This site should be pay-for-use for non devs, that would eliminate a major amount of 1 time posters and all trolls.

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This site should be pay-for-use for non devs, that would eliminate a major amount of 1 time posters and all trolls.
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Most horrible idea I've heard lol. If this happened, no one would come here.....
Also, IN MY OPINION, some devs are too sensitive. There are people in this world who are going to complain and/or expect things they didn't work for themselves. It's just how it is. If I were a dev and people were complaining to me, I'd tell them "go learn how to code your own, then come talk to me." And then go on with my day without it phasing me. I wouldn't quit the work I love and stop sharing things because that one person out of the hundreds decides to complain and doesn't like the way I'm doing things. I've seen it happen, and it's pathetic in my opinion.

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Most horrible idea I've heard lol. If this happened, no one would come here.....
Also, IN MY OPINION, some devs are too sensitive. There are people in this world who are going to complain and/or expect things they didn't work for themselves. It's just how it is. If I were a dev and people were complaining to me, I'd tell them "go learn how to code your own, then come talk to me." And then go on with my day without it phasing me. I wouldn't quit the work I love and stop sharing things because that one person out of the hundreds decides to complain and doesn't like the way I'm doing things. I've seen it happen, and it's pathetic in my opinion.
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I did love it, but not anymore, its been driven out of me by countless insults and utter stupidity that seems to occur constantly. I know its your opinion "some" are to sensitive, but its a personal work I'm sharing, having someone pm me that its an utter waste of time to flash because its a broken pile of....etc is a very personal insult and I see no reason to continue when I get responses like that for my time and effort.
Also, I'm not required to share anything I do, hell I can go pay per build if I feel like it. I did this because people wanted it, and I could provide it, that's all.
Its not making me stop doing something I love, it made me stop loving what I do.
I'm not sure if you dev or not, but really, until you deal with it yourself, you don't really understand where we come from. Some say go f yourselves, others just vanish, and then there's some like me that despite being burned out keep trying make the community happy (and mostly succeeding) and just get to a point where its not worth the insults anymore.
Also I'm sure there are a lot more devs that have been doing this longer then a few months and are maybe used to it.
I don't even own an a100 so its not like I just happened to have made something and shared it, I built it just for the community, I'll never run it myself.
Call it pathetic if you wish, but in my opinion you dunno what you're talking about.
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pio_masaki said:
I did love it, but not anymore, its been driven out of me by countless insults and utter stupidity that seems to occur constantly. I know its your opinion "some" are to sensitive, but its a personal work I'm sharing, having someone pm me that its an utter waste of time to flash because its a broken pile of....etc is a very personal insult and I see no reason to continue when I get responses like that for my time and effort.
Also, I'm not required to share anything I do, hell I can go pay per build if I feel like it. I did this because people wanted it, and I could provide it, that's all.
Its not making me stop doing something I love, it made me stop loving what I do.
I'm not sure if you dev or not, but really, until you deal with it yourself, you don't really understand where we come from. Some say go f yourselves, others just vanish, and then there's some like me that despite being burned out keep trying make the community happy (and mostly succeeding) and just get to a point where its not worth the insults anymore.
Also I'm sure there are a lot more devs that have been doing this longer then a few months and are maybe used to it.
I don't even own an a100 so its not like I just happened to have made something and shared it, I built it just for the community, I'll never run it myself.
Call it pathetic if you wish, but in my opinion you dunno what you're talking about.
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I go through this almost every day actually. Maybe not making ROMs or developing programs for phones, but I have unruly people who comment and criticize my work all day long. It all goes in one ear and out the other because I know that some people are just like that and aren't thankful. I also know that I am good at what I do and that over the past few years I have pleased A LOT more people than I've disgruntled. I guess it has a lot to do with how different people cope with different things. With me, logic trumps emotion and it's very hard for me to take someone saying " your work sucks and you're a [email protected]" seriously lol. If someone pmed me and said my ROM is "an utter waste of time to flash and its broken," guess what? There's a delete button or I would just ignore it. There's going to be people like this no matter what field of work you're in.
I may not be a dev, but I do know how you feel. Alas, I'd like to say that I personally appreciate and respect you and every other dev here. They do great work for free most of the time and I honestly have no place to complain and neither do these other people. However, they shouldn't be discouraged and want to quit. Whatever happened to the "sticks and stones" rule?
Pay per build? That sounds great and I don't know why no one is doing this. If I were a dev I'd be all over making money for my hard work. Hell, I'd pay for a good ROM. It's totally worth it. But then again, it would be hard to regulate because there would need to be refunds given and stuff like that if people aren't happy lol you just never win as a dev, do you?
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haoleflip said:
I go through this almost every day actually. Maybe not making ROMs or developing programs for phones, but I have unruly people who comment and criticize my work all day long. It all goes in one ear and out the other because I know that some people are just like that and aren't thankful. I also know that I am good at what I do and that over the past few years I have pleased A LOT more people than I've disgruntled. I guess it has a lot to do with how different people cope with different things. With me, logic trumps emotion and it's very hard for me to take someone saying " your work sucks and you're a [email protected]" seriously lol. If someone pmed me and said my ROM is "an utter waste of time to flash and its broken," guess what? There's a delete button or I would just ignore it. There's going to be people like this no matter what field of work you're in.
I may not be a dev, but I do know how you feel. Alas, I'd like to say that I personally appreciate and respect you and every other dev here. They do great work for free most of the time and I honestly have no place to complain and neither do these other people. However, they shouldn't be discouraged and want to quit. Whatever happened to the "sticks and stones" rule?
Pay per build? That sounds great and I don't know why no one is doing this. If I were a dev I'd be all over making money for my hard work. Hell, I'd pay for a good ROM. It's totally worth it. But then again, it would be hard to regulate because there would need to be refunds given and stuff like that if people aren't happy lol you just never win as a dev, do you?
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Yes sadly everyone does want something different from any ROM, one will never satisfy all.
Not to get personal but what do you do for work that would subject you to that kind of...feedback? And I just noticed haole lol. Not sure if its what I'm thinking, but I was born in Hawaii, I'm hapa.
Anyways as I said I take it all quite personally, especially now as it was basically a favor for someone who asked me to come back.
That said, on topic again, some people just don't understand the amount of work involved and how calling it trash (this is quite edited ofc) is almost the same a calling me the same thing. They also don't care about the time it takes and just expect it to be given to them, or demand features or additions without considering it may be past the dev's abilities or desire to even do it. It comes down to they think they're entitled to it, when and how they want it, but seen willing to learn to do it themselves.
Also the whole internet mentality of its a screen name, not a person. Insulting pio_masaki isn't the same as standing in front of me and saying the same thing. I disagree with this mentality and prefer to consider it a person, not a screen name. Strangely I'm perfectly fine ignoring some a hole insulting me in person, yet take it personally about a ROM lol.
And pay per build would be quite difficult to implement, especially because it would need tailored per user, the time wouldn't be worth the cost to me, or the cost wouldn't be worth it for the user, I mean figure $10 an hour to build a ROM to be worth my time. User wants a cm10, tablet ui, memory bar added. Takes me 6 hours to implement the changes, sync, build. Would you pay $60 for a ROM for an a100? Not likely. I don't mean you personally, but the average user. They'll just use B1 instead lol. Maybe if I came and installed it for you or something lol
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Felt my rant belonged here. And a note on it, this is not aimed at A100 users, but everywhere on XDA.
Civatio-Retired
Pio-Retired
Linuxsociety-Retired
Waydownsouth-MIA/Retired
These were the major players when it came to ROM development on the A100.
And the general public has annoyed/angered most of them to the point of retirement or quitting.
What is wrong with people today?
I used to love chatting on forums with random people with common interests. Than I came to XDA. I'm not talking to anyone specific here OK, but in general, I've never met a mass gathering of people with common interest that act so hateful, childish, ungrateful, and reduce themselves to petty squabbles on a nearly hourly basis. And I am guilty of these acts of well. We all just need to step back in most situations and ask ourselves can I do this? or aren't I hear to learn and help?
I guess there's no point to my rant...
Looks like it's time to teach myself how to atleast update source.

I'm not talking about an expensive fee, ever $5 per year would be enough to keep the trolls away, Many years ago people said they'd never pay for torrent sites no look at the state of torrenting. Newsgroups are flourishing while free torrent sites are few and far between and their content is lackluster at best.
I would also be up for allowing devs to have ban powers in their own build threads. These guys do a service 99.9999% of us can't do, they do it for free and they get abuse for it. Keep your device stock if you can't act like an adult for one, and don't modify your device if you are unable to handle the real possibility of it going horribly wrong.

justjackyl said:
Felt my rant belonged here. And a note on it, this is not aimed at A100 users, but everywhere on XDA.
Civatio-Retired
Pio-Retired
Linuxsociety-Retired
Waydownsouth-MIA/Retired
These were the major players when it came to ROM development on the A100.
And the general public has annoyed/angered most of them to the point of retirement or quitting.
What is wrong with people today?
I used to love chatting on forums with random people with common interests. Than I came to XDA. I'm not talking to anyone specific here OK, but in general, I've never met a mass gathering of people with common interest that act so hateful, childish, ungrateful, and reduce themselves to petty squabbles on a nearly hourly basis. And I am guilty of these acts of well. We all just need to step back in most situations and ask ourselves can I do this? or aren't I hear to learn and help?
I guess there's no point to my rant...
Looks like it's time to teach myself how to atleast update source.
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heh, people,EVERYWHERE are having issues...its like common descency and respect are things of the past..im a college adjunct proffesor and see some reall asshatery ...end of my rant...sorta..for those who do the hard work,much respect,..take what people say with a grain of salt..

haoleflip said:
Most horrible idea I've heard lol. If this happened, no one would come here.....
Also, IN MY OPINION, some devs are too sensitive. There are people in this world who are going to complain and/or expect things they didn't work for themselves. It's just how it is. If I were a dev and people were complaining to me, I'd tell them "go learn how to code your own, then come talk to me." And then go on with my day without it phasing me. I wouldn't quit the work I love and stop sharing things because that one person out of the hundreds decides to complain and doesn't like the way I'm doing things. I've seen it happen, and it's pathetic in my opinion.
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Depends on the individual...I completely agree with this. It's just been my personality since I was young (grew up in Brooklyn, NY...you NEED tough skin there). If I'm doing something and one or two don't like it, oh well, I know there's almost 1,000 (in this case a **** load of people!) who do! But oh well...everyone is different...I would find more satisfaction in the fact i'm contributing to the longevity of a device and others are using MY **** somewhere in this world and enjoying it.

cheeb said:
Depends on the individual...I completely agree with this. It's just been my personality since I was young (grew up in Brooklyn, NY...you NEED tough skin there). If I'm doing something and one or two don't like it, oh well, I know there's almost 1,000 (in this case a **** load of people!) who do! But oh well...everyone is different...I would find more satisfaction in the fact i'm contributing to the longevity of a device and others are using MY **** somewhere in this world and enjoying it.
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I've come across a random guy at a McDonald's using my ROM before lol
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pio_masaki said:
I've come across a random guy at a McDonald's using my ROM before lol
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That's awesome! Must've been a great feeling....

I've never meant anyone with anything I've ever made
That is cool as hell though!
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I try to be kind as possible, I would imagine how all the negative insults would add up and get annoying after a while. I am pretty young and only know enough to use things you devs make and post on here and that's only because i follow directions.But I would like to learn all this stuff and become a dev. Its gotta be pretty cool knowing you make things that hundreds of people use daily
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Jaydizzle414 said:
I try to be kind as possible, I would imagine how all the negative insults would add up and get annoying after a while. I am pretty young and only know enough to use things you devs make and post on here and that's only because i follow directions.But I would like to learn all this stuff and become a dev. Its gotta be pretty cool knowing you make things that hundreds of people use daily
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Just over a hundred on the a100, just over a thousand on the thrive. My last cm10 is over 1020 downloads now. I should charge per download lol
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pio_masaki said:
Just over a hundred on the a100, just over a thousand on the thrive. My last cm10 is over 1020 downloads now. I should charge per download lol
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If you charged per download not as much people would keep downloading every build you put out. I've used almost every single one of the builds you put out, the only other persons ROMs I have used is civato. And if you charged per download I know I wouldn't nearly use as much of your builds as I have. I would only download one of your builds every once in a while, and I don't even know how I would pay you since I don't even have a credit card or debit card or whatever you use to pay online. But if you could manage to keep the amount of downloads you have now while making people pay you would make a lot of money!
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Jaydizzle414 said:
If you charged per download not as much people would keep downloading every build you put out. I've used almost every single one of the builds you put out, the only other persons ROMs I have used is civato. And if you charged per download I know I wouldn't nearly use as much of your builds as I have. I would only download one of your builds every once in a while, and I don't even know how I would pay you since I don't even have a credit card or debit card or whatever you use to pay online. But if you could manage to keep the amount of downloads you have now while making people pay you would make a lot of money!
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I wouldn't actually do that lol
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pio_masaki said:
I wouldn't actually do that lol
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I figured, I was just saying if you did
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Jaydizzle414 said:
I figured, I was just saying if you did
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Wonder if I can setup some kind get paid per download link or something. Probably wouldn't pay enough to be worth the hassle to people anyways.
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