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stock device, can I RUU to older updates?

Here's my question. My friend's brother attempted to root his stock Evo using simpleroot instructions I sent my friend 4-5 months ago (pre-2.2) without knowing that simpleroot isn't supported. His phone is now borked. When he tries to load into bootloader, he gets an error (not sure which one), but his phone will boot into android.
What I'm wondering is this: As of yesterday, his phone was updated and current as per sprint and the update commands in the system menus... Can he flash back to an older stock rom via RUU (such as this one) without causing other problems? If my understanding is correct, the latest sprint updates aren't yet rootable, right?
Any help on this issue?
Thanks

Is the phone s-off?
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badutahboy said:
Here's my question. My friend's brother attempted to root his stock Evo using simpleroot instructions I sent my friend 4-5 months ago (pre-2.2) without knowing that simpleroot isn't supported. His phone is now borked. When he tries to load into bootloader, he gets an error (not sure which one), but his phone will boot into android.
What I'm wondering is this: As of yesterday, his phone was updated and current as per sprint and the update commands in the system menus... Can he flash back to an older stock rom via RUU (such as this one) without causing other problems? If my understanding is correct, the latest sprint updates aren't yet rootable, right?
Any help on this issue?
Thanks
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No, you can not run an older ruu. If he updated to today or yesterdays update hes stuck. If he is on HBOOT 2.02 he can flash the 3.30.651.3 ruu or ths 3.70.651.1 but you can not ruu further back.

animal7296 said:
No, you can not run an older ruu. If he updated to today or yesterdays update hes stuck. If he is on HBOOT 2.02 he can flash the 3.30.651.3 ruu or ths 3.70.651.1 but you can not ruu further back.
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Are either of these rootable yet?
and can someone explain what S-on and off means?

badutahboy said:
Are either of these rootable yet?
and can someone explain what S-on and off means?
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Yes, they're both rootable.
S-ON vs S-OFF; is just basically a security parameter that's being locked/unlocked. This allows for PC36IMG's files to be flashed via the bootloader without having to use or have authenticated signature keys from Google.
Basically, if you ever accept an OTA and it flashes and removes your recovery (CWM or Amon_RA); then you have no way of flashing custom roms/mods, etc... however with S-OFF, you have the ability to get your recovery back and set yourself back to root if need be.
Essentially, S-OFF allows for another method of flashing stuff to the phone besides just using the CWM or Amon_RA recoveries.
Hboot versions however can affect S-OFF; so it's important that if there is a new OTA that you always hold off, until a developer can validate that the hboot can be exploited and that the OTA can be rooted.

badutahboy said:
Are either of these rootable yet?
and can someone explain what S-on and off means?
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1. 2.02 is rootable 2.10 is not and is the newest one.
2.0 S-ON means you can not flash roms s-off means you can. It is the security of the phone kind of.
If you can not get into bootloader then you can try running the oldest ruu and then the next. It wont hurt the phone at all (I just did it today) it will just give you an error and reboot the phone.

pseudoremora said:
Yes, they're both rootable.
S-ON vs S-OFF; is just basically a security parameter that's being locked/unlocked. This allows for PC36IMG's files to be flashed via the bootloader without having to use or have authenticated signature keys from Google.
Basically, if you ever accept an OTA and it flashes and removes your recovery (CWM or Amon_RA); then you have no way of flashing custom roms/mods, etc... however with S-OFF, you have the ability to get your recovery back and set yourself back to root if need be.
Essentially, S-OFF allows for another method of flashing stuff to the phone besides just using the CWM or Amon_RA recoveries.
Hboot versions however can affect S-OFF; so it's important that if there is a new OTA that you always hold off, until a developer can validate that the hboot can be exploited and that the OTA can be rooted.
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Thanks for the explanations and the help.
How do I find out if it's S-on or off, and is it possible to change?

pseudoremora said:
Yes, they're both rootable.
S-ON vs S-OFF; is just basically a security parameter that's being locked/unlocked. This allows for PC36IMG's files to be flashed via the bootloader without having to use or have authenticated signature keys from Google.
Basically, if you ever accept an OTA and it flashes and removes your recovery (CWM or Amon_RA); then you have no way of flashing custom roms/mods, etc... however with S-OFF, you have the ability to get your recovery back and set yourself back to root if need be.
Essentially, S-OFF allows for another method of flashing stuff to the phone besides just using the CWM or Amon_RA recoveries.
Hboot versions however can affect S-OFF; so it's important that if there is a new OTA that you always hold off, until a developer can validate that the hboot can be exploited and that the OTA can be rooted.
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I have been trying to root 2.10 since yesterday and it has proven to not be possible as of yet. If you have a rooting method that works for me then would you share please?

animal7296 said:
I have been trying to root 2.10 since yesterday and it has proven to not be possible as of yet. If you have a rooting method that works for me then would you share please?
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Im with u brotha im stuck on 2.10 from a mistake i made. Was originally on 0.76.2
Sux man
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badutahboy said:
Thanks for the explanations and the help.
How do I find out if it's S-on or off, and is it possible to change?
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To see if you're S-OFF or S-ON; you can boot your phone into bootloader mode.
To do this:
1. Power down the phone
2. Hold the Volume Down + Power button
3. You'll see a white screen with three little Androids
4. Read the very top of the screen; should tell you if you are S-ON or S-OFF.
You can reboot afterwards.
And yes, you can switch from the S-ON to S-OFF and vise versa, though I don't see why you would want to do the latter.
animal7296 said:
I have been trying to root 2.10 since yesterday and it has proven to not be possible as of yet. If you have a rooting method that works for me then would you share please?
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luckylui said:
Im with u brotha im stuck on 2.10 from a mistake i made. Was originally on 0.76.2
Sux man
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I apologize to the both of you guys; I was under the impression that 2.10 was S-OFF, apparently testing is still being done. For now, looks like you'll have to sit tight. Sorry guys.

pseudoremora said:
To see if you're S-OFF or S-ON; you can boot your phone into bootloader mode.
To do this:
1. Power down the phone
2. Hold the Volume Down + Power button
3. You'll see a white screen with three little Androids
4. Read the very top of the screen; should tell you if you are S-ON or S-OFF.
You can reboot afterwards.
And yes, you can switch from the S-ON to S-OFF and vise versa, though I don't see why you would want to do the latter.
I apologize to the both of you guys; I was under the impression that 2.10 was S-OFF, apparently testing is still being done. For now, looks like you'll have to sit tight. Sorry guys.
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However it has been verified that if you were S-OFF on 2.02 you can install the OTA and you will end up with HBOOT 2.10 with S-OFF.

pseudoremora said:
To see if you're S-OFF or S-ON; you can boot your phone into bootloader mode.
To do this:
1. Power down the phone
2. Hold the Volume Down + Power button
3. You'll see a white screen with three little Androids
4. Read the very top of the screen; should tell you if you are S-ON or S-OFF.
You can reboot afterwards.
And yes, you can switch from the S-ON to S-OFF and vise versa, though I don't see why you would want to do the latter.
I apologize to the both of you guys; I was under the impression that 2.10 was S-OFF, apparently testing is still being done. For now, looks like you'll have to sit tight. Sorry guys.
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No prob pimp
Ima call sprint n see if i can some how get me a phone w the 2.02 hboot and just pretty much get an upgrade from 0003 hardware to 0004 Lol
Im like jumpy rite now ahaha
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tpbklake said:
However it has been verified that if you were S-OFF on 2.02 you can install the OTA and you will end up with HBOOT 2.10 with S-OFF.
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True this, but when i did it i was at 0.76.2 and now screw at 2.10 cause it updated all the way n i didnt want to do that.. Got lost in the tangle haha
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tpbklake said:
However it has been verified that if you were S-OFF on 2.02 you can install the OTA and you will end up with HBOOT 2.10 with S-OFF.
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Yea, I heard about this in the IRC; too bad these guys can do that... unfortunate; but I'm sure the Unrevoked team will have a fix soon enough.
luckylui said:
No prob pimp
Ima call sprint n see if i can some how get me a phone w the 2.02 hboot and just pretty much get an upgrade from 0003 hardware to 0004 Lol
Im like jumpy rite now ahaha
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Good luck with Sprint; I don't know how helpful they're going to be, but you never know...

@luckylui and animal7296, check out the 2.02/2.10 rooting thread again, it seems they got something working. Good luck.

badutahboy said:
Here's my question. My friend's brother attempted to root his stock Evo using simpleroot instructions I sent my friend 4-5 months ago (pre-2.2) without knowing that simpleroot isn't supported. His phone is now borked. When he tries to load into bootloader, he gets an error (not sure which one), but his phone will boot into android.
What I'm wondering is this: As of yesterday, his phone was updated and current as per sprint and the update commands in the system menus... Can he flash back to an older stock rom via RUU (such as this one) without causing other problems? If my understanding is correct, the latest sprint updates aren't yet rootable, right?
Any help on this issue?
Thanks
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There actually is a way to downgrade without rooting, all you need to do is flash the mtd-eng.img file to your misc partition as explained in toast's rooting part 2 thread. After you do that it will let you flash any ruu that is compatible with your phone
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[Q] downgrading to froyo

How could one downgrade to froyo from gingerbread. Do I just get the stock ruu and downgrade it?

jojo4747 said:
How could one downgrade to froyo from gingerbread. Do I just get the stock ruu and downgrade it?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1164432
Question was just asked earlier today, Search before making a new thread. Thanks.

No - will not work
Hi,
Nope it will start up the process then stop saying no downgrade possible.

michaelbsheldon said:
Hi,
Nope it will start up the process then stop saying no downgrade possible.
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Is ur phone s-off? You should be able to flash roms from froyo to gb as long as your s-off and have CWM installed.
Sent from my Incredible 2

No I don't have Linux and can you get s off on gb?

jojo4747 said:
No I don't have Linux and can you get s off on gb?
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If you did the OTA Gingerbread from Verizon then you are pretty much stuck with it. You can still get s-off if you get the XTC clip. And you could have got s-off yesterday since AlphaRev released the windows download yesterday. You can be the guinea pig and try it now to see if AlphaRev does work with the Gingerbread update. Let us know if you do and it does.
And what is so wrong with the update that you actually want to go back to froyo? If it is the bloat and you were going to root, then why did you blow off the warning not to update?
Anyway way you choose, good luck!

I tried alpharev x and it didn't work but I saw that it didn't work for others on the post for windows users. Plus my hboot is still the .97 or what ever the prerequisite is. So shouldn't it still work? And I just want sense 3.0 sooo bad lol. I did it to get rid of the massive bugs like the back button not working and the keyboard u

[Q] How to unbrick Dinc?

I was Flashing the OTA 2.2 Froyo Leak a while ago and it just didnt finish for some reason. Now when I try to turn it on it Vibrates 5 times and has a green blinking light.
Also it is S-ON now for some reason as well.
I have looked everywhere and cannot find a solotion.
Any help is appreciated.
Edit* I have tried flashing other roms and still nothing, (I can access HBOOT but not Recovery) and I cannot flash recovery either. Everything but Hboot is gone. And i tried flashin Ruu and it says main system too old.

5 Vibrates is usually some kind of hardware issue, where-as 3 vibrates is usually a software issue.
BTW, if you're S-On, how are you going to flash any recovery or ROMs? You need to be S-Off before you can flash anything.

carngeX said:
5 Vibrates is usually some kind of hardware issue, where-as 3 vibrates is usually a software issue.
BTW, if you're S-On, how are you going to flash any recovery or ROMs? You need to be S-Off before you can flash anything.
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How can I get S-OFF then? I can access Recovery but it doesnt do me any good it wont read my sd card.

I have no idea what I did, but it rebooted itself and its working

this is EXTREMELY weird. I had the phone plugged in because I wanted to root, but i was first getting the SD Card files off and when I unplugged the phone the same thing happened already....
So then I plugged the phone on again, went into HBOOT and ran the image until it told me it cant be read, and rebooted and back to normal....
Any idea what happened? I just wanna get opinions out of curiosity.

cvbcbcmv said:
cool. But no you don't want to be s-off for flashing the RUU back to stock, then you actually flash a s-on image first.
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He said he was trying to flash recovery and other ROMs to try and get it to work though too... You can't flash custom recovery without being S-Off.
If you want to flash back the RUU, and go back to complete unrooted stock... then yeah, you want S-On.

carngeX said:
BTW, if you're S-On, how are you going to flash any recovery or ROMs? You need to be S-Off before you can flash anything.
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Untrue, you can flash ROMs without being S-OFF. I was rooted and flashing ROMs before unrevoked released "forever."
Sent from my Droid Incredible running a random CM7 nightly.

it seems the problem is more serious then i imagined... I cant seem to use my phone.. when i connect it to the computer its unrecognizable and I cant do anything with it

SteveG12543 said:
Untrue, you can flash ROMs without being S-OFF. I was rooted and flashing ROMs before unrevoked released "forever."
Sent from my Droid Incredible running a random CM7 nightly.
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So were the images previous to Unrevoked's S-Off patch just signed properly? I didn't get a DINC and root it until after Unrevoked had released their patch.
eljean said:
it seems the problem is more serious then i imagined... I cant seem to use my phone.. when i connect it to the computer its unrecognizable and I cant do anything with it
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Like I said previously, 5 vibrates is usually a hardware issue, meaning you're most likely going to have to send it in for replacement. There's been a few people to recover from a 5-vibrate brick, but they had gotten lucky. You can search the forums and try to find how they fixed it (can't remember the thread off hand, just do a search for 5 vibrates and you'll get lots of results).

carngeX said:
So were the images previous to Unrevoked's S-Off patch just signed properly? I didn't get a DINC and root it until after Unrevoked had released their patch.
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I guess so, idk tbh lol. I've had my Inc since day one, and rooted it rather early.
Sent from my Droid Incredible running a random CM7 nightly.

yeah except i bought off ebay so i cud flash to boost. and i did but then i got too curious and ended up with bad nv items on the phone fixed it, then my meid came as <not available> (which still remains and i believe is the problem) and now this... i cant unplug my fone or it will die on me...
i need to get S-OFF and i might be able to fix it... any ideas on how to do this through HBOOT

i need to flash a rom thats what i need to do, because ihave no drivers.., thats the hardware issue and my meid but thats not importatn

Try using unrevoked while the phone is plugged in and in fastboot/hboot?

k_nivesout said:
Try using unrevoked while the phone is plugged in and in fastboot/hboot?
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How can this be possible? Can you just show me a quick summary and show me links to this method of rooting
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Just google unrevoked and download the unrevoked tool. I thought it did its thing in fastboot, but I could be wrong. Its worth a shot.
And BTW, its not really necessary to be posting multiple threads in multiple forums, it would be easier for you to just check one thread.

fixed it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14440621

k_nivesout said:
Just google unrevoked and download the unrevoked tool. I thought it did its thing in fastboot, but I could be wrong. Its worth a shot.
And BTW, its not really necessary to be posting multiple threads in multiple forums, it would be easier for you to just check one thread.
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Oh no is I bought 2 bricked phones from ebay as a wholesale and im trying to fix both of them which have different issues.

eljean said:
fixed it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14440621
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oh **** theres a fix for this lol i never knew

JoelZ9614 said:
oh **** theres a fix for this lol i never knew
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Yeah the guide was released last month
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[Q] Unrevoked not downloading

The other day my phone just decided it wanted to get stuck on the HTC loading screen without being able to get into recovery and flashing back to a previous point, I had to go back to square 1 and flash back to stock.
So this morning I'm going about re-rooting and re-flashing a rom etc. However I have tried to download unrevoked 3 and it says it can't find the page when i go to download, does anyone have a different download for it.
A second question, I debranded my phone will it still be debranded or re-branded? is there anyway to find out?

Which version has your hboot? Because if it's high enough, you should use revolutionary:
http://revolutionary.io
There you get rooting plus S-OFF in two very easy steps.
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its 0.93.0001 any idea about the debranding issue?

Well unrevoked could do it, but go ahead and use revolutionary instead. You'll get root and s-off.
It's pretty much unrevoked and alpharev combined, and it has been updated to support the newest hboot versions.

mortenmhp said:
Well unrevoked could do it, but go ahead and use revolutionary instead. You'll get root and s-off.
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Thats the issue, I can't actually download unrevoked but I'll go ahead and use revolutionary. Thanks for the help.

SxcKieranGrr said:
Thats the issue, I can't actually download unrevoked but I'll go ahead and use revolutionary. Thanks for the help.
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I did get that part and that was why I supplied you with another tool to use instead. I simply wanted to inform you that i case unrevoked would come back up that hboot was supported.

mortenmhp said:
I did get that part and that was why I supplied you with another tool to use instead. I simply wanted to inform you that i case unrevoked would come back up that hboot was supported.
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Ok thankyou. I've just noticed my phone is resetting itself alot with the stock rom. I always thought this was the rom I had running that it was unstable. I guess this means there's an issue with the phone. I think it's over heating, is this an issue i need to send off to HTC for?

Sounds like a motherboard issue to me
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I need help finding the right ruu so i can get s-off :(

I'm trying to get s-off with my htc evo 4g and im getting so frustrated i cant find anything complete. so far I was able to downgrade my phone to 2.2 from this small tut on themikmik but it never tells how to get actual s-off..i tried unrevoked 3.22 and it stops at waiting for root. im pretty sure i have the hboot drivers installed and it tells my phone what to do up untill it says waiting for root and does nothing. please im a very sad panda. if someone had a link to the ruu that would update my hboot to 2.15.0001 or 2.16.0001 hboot that is rootable with revolution that might work. thank you for your time.

Try here:
http://www.shipped-roms.com/index.php?category=android&model=Supersonic

Thank you! do you happen to know which one of those I should use? Also when I downgraded last I guess it locked my boot loader is that a problem?

Kannz2 said:
Thank you! do you happen to know which one of those I should use? Also when I downgraded last I guess it locked my boot loader is that a problem?
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Unfortunately it's been way too long since I've messed with the OG EVO. The locked bootloader won't be a problem, though.

Hopefully someone could tell me? I don't really want to update past the hboot I need For the revolution root.

Kannz2 said:
Hopefully someone could tell me? I don't really want to update past the hboot I need For the revolution root.
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Should be this one:
http://www.shipped-roms.com/downloa....15.00.0808_NV_2.15_release_209995_signed.exe

Thank you I'll try it out I hope I don't mess it up. I just hook the phone up and click on the exe right? Does it need to be in a certain mode?

Kannz2 said:
Thank you I'll try it out I hope I don't mess it up. I just hook the phone up and click on the exe right? Does it need to be in a certain mode?
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You can run it with the phone booted to the OS or from the bootloader while connected via Fastboot USB mode. Once you've done that just run the exe from your computer by double-clicking on it. You may need to install HTC Sync also.

um it seems that when i try to use that update it says that it is the wrong update and it gives a error "signarure error" with the spelling error.. :crying:

Kannz2 said:
um it seems that when i try to use that update it says that it is the wrong update and it gives a error "signarure error" with the spelling error.. :crying:
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Is the RUU version newer or older than what's installed on your phone?

I was able to find a flashable image and i got s-off with revolutionary. uh do you happen to know a good kernel to go with cm? or does it flash its own kernel when the rom is flashed? i was able to find a link for cm 7.2 or something like that. know a link for a good kernel? i heard tiamat or mason kernels are good but i cant find a mirror for either of them. you know a place to get them? or a old mirror? thanks for your help ^^

I don't normally make ROM recommendations but if you're looking to go the AOSP route, Deck's Reloaded is one of the best. Everything works. Period. This was one of the last ROM's I ran on my OG EVO before I upgraded. It has the Mason kernel already built in, too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1661605

thanks for all the help. ^^ You know somewhere that has some custom startup animations? I changed the splashscreen to the green android pooin on a apple but right now its stock boot animation.

Take a look at the themes & apps section. Also, I know that the ROM Toolbox app used to include some custom boot animations.