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It seems the touchscreen of my Desire gets less responsive at random times. Anyone else who has this problem as well?
The touchscreen of the Desire is very sensitive in most cases. But it sometimes (randomly) becomes less responsive. I have to give more pressure for the screen to register the touch. This is especially annoying when typing an e-mail or text message.
But for example: when sliding between the screens at the homescreen (Sense), you have to barely touch the screen to slide. When my 'problem' appears, I can actually feel and slide on the screen but nothing happens. When applying more force it does work, but is not as comfortable...
When I reboot the problem seems to be gone for a while, but at some point it becomes less responsive again.
Obviously I have tried uninstalling apps and widgets and see what happens then. But the problem remains. Hard reset/factory reset appears to be working at first, but again after some time the screen becomes less responsive again. This can be after a few minutes or after a few hours. The only way to 'solve' this is to reboot the phone again.
So! Is there anyone who is experiencing the same problems? Because of the factory reset (and obviously not installing any apps after that reset) it seems to me this is some sort of hardware problem.
Any takes on the issue?
I only get such a problem when my hands are sweaty or sticky and when the screen is smudgy. I'm a cleanliness freak though so I naturally keep my hands and the screen very clean avoiding this problem. Otherwise everything is pretty darn consistent on my side... except for one oddity.
I struggled with this phone for months and then gave up trying to type or even just use the touchscreen while it's laying flat on any surface. Most of the touches just never registered, honestly. Even when applying a lot of pressure. Until last week, quite unexpectedly, the touches started registering perfectly. Just as good as when holding it vertical. I was quite amazed and baffled at how something just changed automatically to improve it significantly. The only other observational change in sync was that some apps that kept changing the phones layout based on the way I'm holding it even when I had disabled this feature (like the Tapatalk XDA app) have started working correctly as set now. Just all of a sudden.
I haven't made any setting or config change. I did root a while back but unrooted very soon after by flashing the stock T-Mobile ROM and things were still as bad as the beginning. That's something like 2 months back.
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Ok, weird!
Since I am able to reproduce this with and without installed software (hard reset, no sim, no sd, no nothing) I can only assume it's some sort of hardware problem.
So off to repair department it goes! Thought I'd post it here and perhaps someone would have a solution saying:"Oh! That's this or that". You never know
What I found is sometimes it's unresponsive but it's *puts on black roll neck and jeans* the way that I'm holding it.
I think if you squeeze the phone too much it registers a touch on the side of the screen. Also so times when I'm using it one handed the ball of the bottom of my thumb touches the screen and this is registering, making the rest of the screen unresponsive.
I'd consider this to be the problem first (as annoying as it is). I used to have the 2nd problem on the iPhone, but not the first. It's a bit upsetting but I got over it.
RaptorRVL said:
It seems the touchscreen of my Desire gets less responsive at random times. Anyone else who has this problem as well?
The touchscreen of the Desire is very sensitive in most cases. But it sometimes (randomly) becomes less responsive. I have to give more pressure for the screen to register the touch. This is especially annoying when typing an e-mail or text message.
But for example: when sliding between the screens at the homescreen (Sense), you have to barely touch the screen to slide. When my 'problem' appears, I can actually feel and slide on the screen but nothing happens. When applying more force it does work, but is not as comfortable...
When I reboot the problem seems to be gone for a while, but at some point it becomes less responsive again.
Obviously I have tried uninstalling apps and widgets and see what happens then. But the problem remains. Hard reset/factory reset appears to be working at first, but again after some time the screen becomes less responsive again. This can be after a few minutes or after a few hours. The only way to 'solve' this is to reboot the phone again.
So! Is there anyone who is experiencing the same problems? Because of the factory reset (and obviously not installing any apps after that reset) it seems to me this is some sort of hardware problem.
Any takes on the issue?
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Are you using a screen protector at all?
Since you have the same problem after performing a hard reset, maybe you should consider taking it back to the vendor for a warranty repair or replacement as it could be a faulty digitizer.
Problem summary
Known cause (might be others): selecting an app from the Recents list (Task Switcher)
Temporary fix: turn the screen off, then back on
Workaround: avoid using Recents list (you can use a 3rd party task switcher instead)
How to test: open Messaging, hit Home, hit Recents, select Messaging from the list. Your screen will be less sensitive until you turn the screen off and back on. You can view the pressure by going to Settings -> Developer Options -> turn on Pointer Location. This will allow you to see the Prs of each tap in your status bar. Normally your lightest taps that register will show anywhere from 0.28 to 0.32. However, after this bug is activated, you will mostly get values over 0.40 for your light taps. This is actually a very noticeable increase, especially when trying to type quickly.
Please report any other known methods to "activate" this bug. After re-assigning my Recents button to a 3rd party app (I'm using Simple Task Switcher), I haven't seen this bug at all. It seems that a couple of people have seen it produced by something other than Recents, but they haven't narrowed it down (or reliably reproduced it on purpose).
Please star this issue officially so Google can fix:
Link is http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=29734
Note: Downloading & using Screen filter application from play store, with brightness set to
Your hands are really dirty or really dry. Try moisturizer or something.
Been using my screen for almost hour straight now. No issues.
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Hehe yes this s gonna be a difficult one to confirm. But it is definitely not dirty hands. To clarify, a quick press of the power button to lock then unlock completely fixes the issue. Same fingers suddenly register perfectly. This is driving me nuts as the phone is not even usable right now. Literally.
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Been using my screen for almost hour straight now. No issues.
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ios 6.2 doesnt get issues.
I don't know about your other experiences, but as far as the browser goes I have the same scrolling effects as you do. I think this is how it is meant to be. They tightened the scrolling a lot and I kinda like it. Before one small flick would send me across the whole page, which was kinda annoying. Just my preference.
I'm not having this problem. It would drive me crazy too. Been using my phone alot over the past two days and I didn't run into this problem even after almost 1h of continuous surfing. Also a few checkpoints of Shadowgun didn't trigger it.
But you can confirm your problem if you enable "cursor position" in the dev options (hope that's what it 's called in english). "Prs" and "Size" should need a lot more than around 0.30-0.40 to register your touch if you have the problem you describe.
I am sorry that you're experiencing this, but 4.0.4 has nothing to do with this. 4.0.4 is just software, Galaxy Nexus is not a pressure-sensitive device, it is merely touch-sensitive. Which means that software gets an analogue signal from the touchscreen, either 1 or 0. It has no 'range' of sensitivity, so it cannot decrease in sensitivity in software (if it did, then it would not work at all).
This is entirely hardware issue and I suggest either making sure your screen is clean, your screen protection thing (if you use one) isn't acting up or if your hardware has become faulty (have you dropped it recently?).
If problem persists then return under warranty.
My wife had this issue once.
It was the third party launcher she was using.
I don't think its a matter of touch sensitivity dropping, its a matter of the system just being too slow to really work right.
It was ADW EX, fwiw.
kristovaher said:
I am sorry that you're experiencing this, but 4.0.4 has nothing to do with this. 4.0.4 is just software, Galaxy Nexus is not a pressure-sensitive device, it is merely touch-sensitive. Which means that software gets an analogue signal from the touchscreen, either 1 or 0. It has no 'range' of sensitivity, so it cannot decrease in sensitivity in software (if it did, then it would not work at all).
This is entirely hardware issue and I suggest either making sure your screen is clean, your screen protection thing (if you use one) isn't acting up or if your hardware has become faulty (have you dropped it recently?).
If problem persists then return under warranty.
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Lol that is hilarious. You forgot the step where its the OS that actually processes the input data, so in that process, a ton of problems can arise.
And personally, since 4.0.4 I have also been experiencing a "similar" issue. When scrolling down (and only down), I experience a kind of "lag" like if it only registers the swipe movement half an inch lower. Its not a big deal, but still an issue.
Edit : What he explains as "pressing very hard" is most likely the fact that when you press harder you actually cover more surface, so the amount of extra input data can definitely impact the behavior.
I had issues for a few hours after the 4.0.4 update, where my softkey buttons weren't responding. Thankfully, it seems to be fine now, but it was a cause for concern.
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I'm not having this problem. It would drive me crazy too. Been using my phone alot over the past two days and I didn't run into this problem even after almost 1h of continuous surfing. Also a few checkpoints of Shadowgun didn't trigger it.
But you can confirm your problem if you enable "cursor position" in the dev options (hope that's what it 's called in english). "Prs" and "Size" should need a lot more than around 0.30-0.40 to register your touch if you have the problem you describe.
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Thank you my friend, I should have thought of this; now I have numbers to confirm this. So with cursor option enabled I can get down to 0.30, managed 0.28 once. However when the bug starts, I can confirm that I cannot get below 0.60. It just refuses to register that input for some reason.
I lock the screen, 1 second is all it takes, and now it registers down to 0.30 again and all touch works properly. Its almost like some type of memory leak issue is the way it feels to me. It only starts happening after a few min of use.
Its definitely an issue now that I can see the pressure numbers. The question is what the hell can I do about it. I flashed aokp29 with the latest 4.0.4 ota merged in, problem still occurs. I'm gonna try stock 4.0.2 or 4.0.1 just to see. Thanks.
I have never had much luck upgrading Linux versions. That's why I start fresh every time with Android. Lol
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Before I start digging, anyone know specifically which driver controls the touch input? I'll try looking thru github.
Also I was on stock 4.0.1 prior to this. So this could be normal behavior for everyone but everybody is used to it since nobody stayed on 4.0.1 like me. Cause I can easily say this is difficult to notice if you aren't paying attention. The question is, why does locking the screen temporarily change it back...
I can confirm some of what you are saying..sometimes when I'm browsing the scrolling tightens up..I lock the phone then unlock it and it is smooth again..doesn't happen all the time tho..doesn't bother me but I've noticed it
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I can also confirm. This morning I found the Swiftkey was lagging on Facebook. Something like the phone did not receive the touch. Then I rebooted and now it is ok.
I did not get this issue on 4.0.2 and I don't install anything new on 4.0.4.
The way I installed 4.0.4 was from the official factory image, so my phone is fresh! I reinstalled all apps manually as well. Nothing fancy apps.
I know this is my first post, but I can definitely confirm this issue.
I use my Galaxy Nexus for development, so the screen is always on. The sensitivity goes down very quickly.
My phone was an International GNEX that I loaded the US firmware on and then I flashed the OTA 4.0.4 update.
kristovaher said:
I am sorry that you're experiencing this, but 4.0.4 has nothing to do with this. 4.0.4 is just software, Galaxy Nexus is not a pressure-sensitive device, it is merely touch-sensitive. Which means that software gets an analogue signal from the touchscreen, either 1 or 0. It has no 'range' of sensitivity, so it cannot decrease in sensitivity in software (if it did, then it would not work at all).
This is entirely hardware issue and I suggest either making sure your screen is clean, your screen protection thing (if you use one) isn't acting up or if your hardware has become faulty (have you dropped it recently?).
If problem persists then return under warranty.
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Just to point out, the phone is all digital. It does not get an analog signal from touching the screen. Also to that point you said analog but then described digital with the 1 and 0
Has anyone affected tried going between 4.0.2 and 4.0.4? To check the possibility of a driver or some related value changing.
Also, if not fixed by going back to 4.0.2, this could be due to current leakage from somewhere causing the touch to not work properly. I've seen it on other capacitive touch devices, though mainly when a non-compatible charger is connected. When you shut the screen off, the charge causing the problem/interference with the touch is temporarily dissapated, but then comes back after you use it again. Probably very unlikely in this case, unless Google changed something in the touch driver that makes it more sensitive to interference, which in turn messes with actual input from fingers.
TechNoir said:
Has anyone affected tried going between 4.0.2 and 4.0.4? To check the possibility of a driver or some related value changing.
Also, if not fixed by going back to 4.0.2, this could be due to current leakage from somewhere causing the touch to not work properly. I've seen it on other capacitive touch devices, though mainly when a non-compatible charger is connected. When you shut the screen off, the charge causing the problem/interference with the touch is temporarily dissapated, but then comes back after you use it again. Probably very unlikely in this case, unless Google changed something in the touch driver that makes it more sensitive to interference, which in turn messes with actual input from fingers.
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Its possible. I was on 4.0.1 so perhaps this issue originated in 4.0.2 but I never noticed since I didn't update then. I can add that I did multiple wipes and clean flashes, and also tried both aokp 28 and 29 (new 4.0.4 ota merged), and happened on both.
I'll post what I just sent to arbiter which gives more insight.
From my extra testing under normal use my light touches register 0.28-0.33. Especially on swipes, the end of the swipe registers 0.28 as the finger travel breaks contact with the screen giving that swipe extra input which pushes the swipe motion further extra boost. When the bug starts the touch swipe won't even break 0.38-0.40, and that extra swipe data is lost resulting in the end of the swipe data points being excluded and swipes travel half the distance.
This gets exacerbated on the keyboard when fast typing light pressed. Its so bad it frustrates my face off cause typing just ceases to be possible. Such a difficult issue to diagnose.
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Yes my face literally flew off!
Hello,
The screen of my moto 360 goes randomly off and vibrates at that moment, just like when you dim the screen with your hand., but now I'm using it. It's very frustrating because I can't even open an app normally or the screen goed of and I need to start over again. Does anyone know how to fix this?
Having same issues with mine.
Really strange and really annoying. Its like when u cover it with palm. It vibrates and screen goes off but ur in the middle of trying to do something. Anyone else having this problem?
Glad I'm not the only one having this issue, just got my Moto 360 today. I'll be in the Settings or other parts of the watch and it will just randomly turn off. It is really frustrating to deal with.
I have the same issue. I have pretty hairy arms so I wonder if the hairs are somehow triggering the capacitive touch screen.
you guys try to do a reset on the watch yet?? not just a reboot..
Any updates on this? I'm having the same issue
Any updates? I have the same issue I think it happend after udate to 5.0.2 but I'm not sure.
I'm also having the same problem. I picked up a new Moto 360 during the BBY sale rush of the last couple of days. At first it was buggy but the screen seemed to stay on while working with it. Then it had a system update, and since then most bug issues (like the faces not updating with the companion app changes) went away, however from that point the screen constantly shuts off, usually with a little buzz, while I'm interacting with the watch.
For instance, regarding the sensor used to turn off the watch if you palm it. I thought maybe that was it, so I was looking for a way to turn that off. I went into settings, and spend about 10 times of the screen shutting off before I could get to "accessibility settings" just to see if that might be there.
This problem occurs whether I'm wearing the watch or not (trying to eliminate arm hair or similar), and has occurred after a factory reset and re-pair with my phone (Note 4). Ambient sensor settings don't help, because all that does is make the screen go dark instead of off, but it still reverts back to the clock no matter what I was doing.
Any ideas? Any way to turn off a sensor perhaps, maybe in a custom ROM? Since this seems to be associated with an update near as I can tell, I wonder if a fix is coming from Moto or if it's too rare of an issue to be on their radar.
As an update, I replaced the watch with a new one, and this new watch is perfect. It started on outdated software which I left on for a bit to make sure it didn't show the problem, then I updated. Still no issues. I think there is a chance the problem is software regardless, but either way it must be a small portion of watches and isn't necessarily tied to any particular outside software influence (phone model or android version, or installed apps as NONE of those things changed). My advice to people reading this thread is to exchange the watch or get an RMA if possible.
Same Issue
Hi All,
I have the same issue. Sent it back for repair so let's see...
Same issue here as well
Hi guys I have a problem with the touch response on my G4 (H815)
Basically when I use multi touch (and sometimes just normal scrolling) in certain apps the phone will recognize screen taps at the bottom of the screen at the home and back buttons and sometimes other areas, I have used the 'multi touch app' from the play store to confirm that this is indeed the case. This is extremely annoying as apps exit by themselves because of this. It doesn't happen every single time either, just sometimes but often enough for it to be annoying and so may be hard to prove to my carrier or LG if i send it back cause they may say there's nothing wrong with it.
It seems like a hardware issue and in that case the phone should still be under warranty right? I got it in August and haven't rooted or done anything invasive.
There are many people having issues with the G4 touchscreen. Check with your carrier and see if you can exchange it or what your options are.
Hi,
Same problem for me, the back and home button seems possessed. Se this video dropbox.com/s/540ozmvdnhemv8f/MOV_0005.mp4?dl=0 for an example. I bought the phone Thursday last week and it have been this pretty much since unboxing. After a factory reset the phone acts normal for a couple of minutes or hours, but goes back to that stage were I can't use the phone at all. I've managed to update to the latest software but the problem didn't go away. I'll try to contact the supplier I bought the phone from and exchange it tomorrow.
Since I do not have enough posts to post external links you have to figure out for youself what to type infront of the "link" I included.
I have serious problems with my Pixel C's touchsreen like Ars Technica:
Our only complaint about the display is that the touchscreen on our device just doesn't work. Taps frequently go unnoticed, which makes navigation and typing on the touch screen very error prone. Scrolling is unreliable, too—swipes meant for scrolling were often interpreted as taps, which led to us accidentally opening things when we wanted to scroll past them. The high error rate makes using the touchscreen an exercise in frustration. If we were given more time with the device, we'd try out a second unit to see if this issue exists in a different model, but with the quick turnaround from receiving a device to embargo, all we can do is list the issues our unit had.http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...res-an-android-tablets-core-problem-software/
I made two recordings to show them, see good case vs bad case on Youtube. Actually the problems vanish on every second reboot. It is pretty predictable unfortunately, so I return my Pixel C tomorrow and buy a second one.
For me my problem don't look like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-c/help/pixel-c-touchscreen-issue-video-t3268729 but wanted to reference it for people googling about this kind of problem.
vollekannehoschi said:
I have serious problems with my Pixel C's touchsreen like Ars Technica:
Our only complaint about the display is that the touchscreen on our device just doesn't work. Taps frequently go unnoticed, which makes navigation and typing on the touch screen very error prone. Scrolling is unreliable, too—swipes meant for scrolling were often interpreted as taps, which led to us accidentally opening things when we wanted to scroll past them. The high error rate makes using the touchscreen an exercise in frustration. If we were given more time with the device, we'd try out a second unit to see if this issue exists in a different model, but with the quick turnaround from receiving a device to embargo, all we can do is list the issues our unit had.http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...res-an-android-tablets-core-problem-software/
I made two recordings to show them, see good case vs bad case on Youtube. Actually the problems vanish on every second reboot. It is pretty predictable unfortunately, so I return my Pixel C tomorrow and buy a second one.
For me my problem don't look like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-c/help/pixel-c-touchscreen-issue-video-t3268729 but wanted to reference it for people googling about this kind of problem.
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I fear my unit may have the same issue.
You say you bought a second one; did google not just exchange it?
They don't exchange units, at least in Germany. You have to buy a new one by yourself
Your "bad" case looks exactly like what I typically see. Sometimes it's worse; for example in Instragram, flicking sometimes results in scrolling the wrong direction.
I just called Google support to see if it's a known issue, and they said no, so I can imagine it might take multiple exchanges to get one that works.
Pixel C Touchscreen Problem
I am seeing a similar issue. Very sporadic and seem to last through reboots. It renders the touchscreen useless but the tablet operates fine as long as I just use the keyboard. It happens at least once per day. I have tried a factory reset and the issue still came back. Eventually a reboot does fix it but I have not seen any pattern to it, this morning it was a hard reset (holding the power until it rebooted) other times it was 2-3 reboots.
In my video, using the "MultiTouch Tester" app shows the inconsistent readings. XDA is preventing me from posting a link to my video because I am a new user the video ID on youtube is XplgTK3ahL0
I did contact Google and they are sending a replacement, I was hopeful that this was an isolated case.
I haven't had any issues with my touchscreen. I don't have the keyboard though
Same issue but reseting from scratch repair the problem. For how long?
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I have just been onto google support and had the problem while using the tablet.
When I booted into safe mode, all seemed to be well.
I have transferred accounts with the google setup and it transferred all my apps too, so I will now factory reset and setup again.
Toninho64 said:
Same issue but reseting from scratch repair the problem. For how long?
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The problem recurred within 24 hours after a factory reset. I have done a factory reset twice now. It happens at least once per day if not twice. Currently, a hard reset (holding down the power button until it reboots) has fixed it the last 2 times.
FLJ74 said:
The problem recurred within 24 hours after a factory reset. I have done a factory reset twice now. It happens at least once per day if not twice. Currently, a hard reset (holding down the power button until it reboots) has fixed it the last 2 times.
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Thanks for that.
I insisted google did not close the case until I have tried for a few days withou any recurrence.
Will see.
vollekannehoschi said:
I have serious problems with my Pixel C's touchsreen like Ars Technica:
Our only complaint about the display is that the touchscreen on our device just doesn't work. Taps frequently go unnoticed, which makes navigation and typing on the touch screen very error prone. Scrolling is unreliable, too—swipes meant for scrolling were often interpreted as taps, which led to us accidentally opening things when we wanted to scroll past them. The high error rate makes using the touchscreen an exercise in frustration. If we were given more time with the device, we'd try out a second unit to see if this issue exists in a different model, but with the quick turnaround from receiving a device to embargo, all we can do is list the issues our unit had.http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...res-an-android-tablets-core-problem-software/
I made two recordings to show them, see good case vs bad case on Youtube. Actually the problems vanish on every second reboot. It is pretty predictable unfortunately, so I return my Pixel C tomorrow and buy a second one.
For me my problem don't look like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-c/help/pixel-c-touchscreen-issue-video-t3268729 but wanted to reference it for people googling about this kind of problem.
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Looking at your video it almost seems as you're having issues only when your using your index finger.
Maybe your finger doesn't have enough contact on the screen. When you used your thumb the screen became "responsive"
Just my two cents. I have yet to see a video that shows hard evidence. They all show something similar where someone seems to be making contact with the screen but maybe they aren't.
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I did contact Google and they are sending a replacement, I was hopeful that this was an isolated case.
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So you got already the second tablet and it still has the same problems? Or I missunderstood something?
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So you got already the second tablet and it still has the same problems? Or I missunderstood something?
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Google issued a replacement order, but it has not shipped yet. I am still on the first tablet and still having the issue. (twice yesterday and once this morning already). I have a co-worker that also has one but has not seen this issue at all, he has not had to reboot his tablet since he turned it on last week.
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Looking at your video it almost seems as you're having issues only when your using your index finger.
Maybe your finger doesn't have enough contact on the screen. When you used your thumb the screen became "responsive"
Just my two cents. I have yet to see a video that shows hard evidence. They all show something similar where someone seems to be making contact with the screen but maybe they aren't.
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I hit more than I touch with my thumb. Beating the space key for over 15 years now leads through this I think I get your point about the evidence problem in videos, do you have a better idea to demonstrate such issues?
Google somehow made a mistake and sent me two tablets and two keyboards. The first one had this same issue. When I enabled the "show touches" option, it looked like swipes were generally being broken up into separate quick touches instead of a continuous swipe. Generally made the tablet very frustrating to use. I'm attempting to return it. The touch response on the other one is great, and the difference is night-and-day.
A hard reset does not fix this problem for me. The touchscreen isn't working correctly immediately after the reset.
vollekannehoschi said:
I hit more than I touch with my thumb. Beating the space key for over 15 years now leads through this I think I get your point about the evidence problem in videos, do you have a better idea to demonstrate such issues?
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Use a touch tester app
like the multitouch test app in the play store
My touchscreen seems a little unresponsive at times, I play Vainglory a lot and occasionally it's not picking up quick screen presses and It's got my killed a few times, I'm now noticing this in general use as well.
It's kind of annoying, I hope this is a software issue.
I am 24 hours on my replacement tablet with no issue....fingers crossed.
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I am 24 hours on my replacement tablet with no issue....fingers crossed.
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you have let a new pixel ? you use the guarantee ? what delay ? how works the guarantee
thanks a lot